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Watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOoOKovOys
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Sorry I don't believe anything you say. I have watched this video multiple times and come up with the same thing. You want your business based at the town docks. What about the insurance and liability that the selectmen discussed. You don't bring those things up! Run the business from your own dock. Your story keeps changing. Yes many don't want a seaplane tour business run out of Nineteen Mile Bay! You persona in the selectmens meeting was anything but humble but more about "we are going to do it no matter what"! Maybe some fair acting ability. "excellent question" "excellent question" I never thought of that when referring to the concerns of the fireboat. I urge everyone to watch this video before you comment about yay or nay. People in 19 Mile Bay please watch and comment. Are there only a few who have watched this and feel the same way? I would like to hear everyone's comment after they watch the youtube video of the meeting. The way you went about this was deceitful. Now tell me how much more business will Pier 19 get with the tour business? If she is not getting anything but a few patrons extra from your business why is she putting her neck out. Sounds like there is more to this. The scary thing is you said if a seaplane wants to land they have to call her!!! That is very scary. Of course she would never say no. Safe or not safe. I have no qualms about a few seaplanes landing but I do have concerns about a tour business from the public dock. This tour business is not going to help her store. Watch people watch. There was no mention of a TOUR BUSINESS. Now that is deceitful! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgOoOKovOys |
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If offshore boats go ripping up and down that bay, causing a noise issue. The governing body is not the town at all, nor can the town do anything about it. What would happen would be that the Marine Patrol would be called. They could and would come to the area, perform field noise tests, and order any non-conforming boats off the lake......I know that law well, and how it is enforced. What I believe this video show is an open dialogue between the town, ESA, and Peir19.... It seems to me the correct process are actually going on... I found it interesting that one of the Selectman even acknowledge that nothing wrong was done, that the state owns the water. What we seem to have here on the forum, is some very loud lobbyists against the idea. Absolutely no different then what happened on this forum with the speed limit on the lake..... To those lobbyist, be loud that is your right, but ESA, has just laid out his number and name, for people to contact.... Will you do the same, I would love to talk to you and get your side of the story as well.....I am all about listening because the truth is always somewhere in the middle. |
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1. So it’s a business.. one that you want to make profitable. The only way to do that is is fly a lot of sightseeing passengers. At 3 pax per trip, you gotta do a lot! So, how much do you plan to do from the town docks? 2. You probably don’t know much of the history of the store owner and her fight with the slip owners. She has alienated many people in the bay already so she is not trusted by some. What’s in it for her? Who approached who? It’s disingenuous to suggest she has no vested interest but that doesn’t pass the smell test. We all know she is counting on your passengers in her store to increase traffic. And, to make it profitable she’ll expect a lot of passengers. 3. You keep comparing yourself to barges but just because you keep repeating it doesn’t make it so. Barges earn their money from someone’s property on the island not because the town dock. You on the other hand ... 4. Nobody, I think, cares about the FAA designation. They care because you plan to base your operation from it...just like Jetblue has it HQ in NY but “bases” it’s flights from Boston or Orlando. You’re being very sly in how you parse it but we all know what it is. 5. Stupid comment. International airport? Please... 6. There is no excuse for any threats ...period. 7. Those homeowners in 19 mile bay are the most affected by this venture. They have every right to oppose it as it directly affects their quality of life on the lake. To be tone deaf to that shows a troublesome attitude. 8 & 9. We can agree on our equal love of the lake.. Anyone who has been here any length of time knows seaplanes share the waterways with boaters. It’s part of lake life. But to rub noses in it by saying “there is nothing you can do about it” does nothing but strengthen the resolve of those opposed to you. This is simply a case of a pair of business owners trying to use a public use dock for a floatplane sightseeing operation that has an impact on those who use the docks daily. |
Good luck Eric on the venture and if the block you for some reason I hope you spend every resource you have trying to shut down that “port” for barges and boats that are not using as they should also…
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1 - I have no problems with you establishing a small business, in fact I applaud anyone who does and is successful at it. So kudos to you for effort. Your execution is where the problem lies. Whether or not you are from the area, grew up in the area or have a self proclaimed love of the area does not take away from the fact you are operating a business that impacts an area where other citizens are impacted negatively. Their opposition to you operating in the area on a regular basis to me seems reasonable. While you and many others may not relate to their concerns to disregard them as some how misguided or full of misinformation is simply wrong and quite sad. 2- The woman who owns the pier 19 store is quickly gaining a reputation as being unreasonable and hostile, especially towards the pier 19 slip owners. This has resulted in altercations which have included calls to the police, damage done to association assets and a failure to follow or even acknowledge bylaws set forth by the very association the store is legally tied to. This likely will result in a court battle. Being associated with a business operator like this does not give you a very good public perception. 3 - Just because NH is a sea plane friendly place does not mean it is appropriate to just land wherever and disturb whoever just because you "can". That sort of attitude is not gaining you any favor with those that oppose your business venture, much like the pier 19 store owner, being at odds with others is one thing, to flaunt it as "I have the legal right to do so" is just going to further enrage the opposition and create more problems for you. It's amazing you don't see this. However roll the dice as one thing you may find out, property owners, especially lake front owners may themselves be lawyers, or fellow pilots, and have lots of connections that if leveraged could create a whole lot of expensive litigation for you - enough to sink your business. 4 - I do agree the term sea plane base seems to infer something a bit more substantial than what you are proposing, seems that some education is needed there for those who stand in opposition. 5 - the reason or business model you are engaging in is basically irrelevant. I don't think anyone is seriously suggesting you are creating an international airport! 6 - There is no need for and I certainly do not condone threats of any kind. However if boaters do choose to stack the docks with boats, park or hang out in a proposed landing area that too is their right to do so - to suggest otherwise is in your words preventing equal access and discriminatory. 7 - I refer back to the aforementioned, if there are those who are directly impacted by this looking to stand in solidarity against your proposal that is their right to do so. It is up to you to figure out a way to ease their concerns or face an uphill battle with folks that again are likely to create a whole lot of problems for you. They have every right to also not to patronize the pier 19 store and likely have good reason to beyond operating your business. Nobody is obligated to use it. 8 - Again you are asking for more than equal access - you are asking for the pier to be modified especially for YOU. No other users of the pier give a damn how long the posts are. 9 - Your tone here is classic, "I'm not throwing this in your face...." but you are. In a matter of fact I don't care attitude. This is not winning you any further support, instead it is turning more folks against your idea. If you don't think this can be stopped, better think again. No rafting and no wake zones at one point didn't exist either and do now. No landing zones I can see coming if you're not careful here. 10 - after all that you are looking for support, well I can tell you support will come once you start spending your energy on finding ways to work with those that stand in opposition and not by further enraging them by saying I'm doing this and there isn't anything you can do about it. You may just find with enough people on board and money behind it, something can and will be done about it. This goes beyond altering the dock and has everything to do with creating yet another major disturbance in the general area on a regular basis. Understand that your passion for flying may not be shared with others. Just as my passion for shooting is not shared by others and as such the noise I create I am very much aware of and thus try to find places where it will not disturb others even though legally I could shoot right in my back yard so long as I am 300 feet away from an occupied residence. Just because I can and well within my legal rights to do so on my OWN property doesn't mean I do. Having a little common courtesy will go a long way as I see the nay sayers growing in numbers and volume. Good luck in your endeavors. |
I spent a lot of time working around seaplanes in Canada. Loading, unloading, fueling, moving and assisting passengers on and off. It was a regular event when someone slips and falls off the dock or floatplane. Some were hurt seriously enough to go see the Dr. so, how much insurance does the town have? How much does Epic have? I think the liability here is too high.
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You pushing this point only negates your point. Prior to the town ordinance they were able to use many other places as well. Not until people, not unlike yourself, complained enough about the barges that they made this ordinance. But nice try. The poor barge companies have been under attack for decades and now you are boxing them in even further. Now your argument may eliminate their usage of the warf as well. You do realize your heading down that road. I hope you don't push the no commercial usage argument in public. Attachment 17038 Epic Seaplane Adventures |
You said post #279 was your last post, I guess not! :rolleye2:
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You crack me up.
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Epic sounds like a classic snake oil salesman.
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Your statement that “barge companies have been under attack for decades” has no basis in fact. My family has been on the islands and involved in the town on issues surrounding the lake and islands for decades, and I have never heard any uproar over barge use of the wharf. The suggestion that a debate over the use of the wharf in a residential zoning area for commercial seaplane use (which has virtually no benefit and only downsides for the town and its residents) could lead to restricting the use of the wharf for barges in a reversal of decades of practice—which benefits hundreds of town residents—is nonsensical. The only reason barge use is even part of this discussion is because you raised them as a very poor strawman—unaware that their use of the wharf was expressly permitted by town ordinance—to argue that you are entitled to use the wharf for the base of your commercial operation. You simply are not. Your entire approach in refusing to address direct questions, constantly changing your story, and sarcastic responses (not to mention the poorly conceived publicity stunt on a seaplane ambulance) does nothing for your cause, and only serves to increase your opposition. If you really want to see what mobilized opposition looks like, continue to try to (falsely) frame this as a debate over continued use of the wharf for island residents with barge needs. You will see how full the town house can get with island residents. The actual issue here is your attempt to use public property for the base of a commercial enterprise. You may not have wanted to hear it, but the selectmen pretty much already told you it wasn’t going to happen. |
His entire approach and argument has been nothing but throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks. Unfortunately, it’s ricocheted back pretty spectacularly.
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Pier 19 store net income...
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Existing business volume, less the dock owners she has alienated, less 19 mile bay neighbors that will never enter her store because of sea plane issue, plus the 5 or so seaplanes that may land to by an ice cream each year, should result in much less revenue per year. Am i missing something here? I hope she survives because I do like her chicken! |
She has a lot of money and obviously can afford to keep injecting capitol into a business that does not make any money. When she runs out of money and closes her doors in a year or so we can only hope Skelly's buys it at fire sale pricing and opens up there. Now that would be Epic!!!
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It's funny what people will say when they hide behind a screen name. Epic Seaplane Adventures |
Way to turn my words! You are quite the slickster Epic. We know she’s not funding you.
But it is even funnier what some people feel they are entitled to just because she sunk all her money into a business that can never make a ROI. |
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No matter who or whom says what; This is not a Non Profit proposal. Neither is it a Charity proposal.
This is purely a "FOR PROFIT" plan, plain and simple. Now the question is who benefits by this? The Store Owner (will they be selling plane ride tickets)? The Airplane Operator? Well, you can be sure he won't be flying the plane at no charge..... Should the public have a say in who gets what? Some say yes; others will say it's none of our business. It will be interesting to watch this debate play out. |
So after a thread with 300 plus posts, I have to report that I am extremely accurate with all my details and predictions. People opposing this should be smarter than they have been. Any of you that have gotten on board with the agitators let it be known that you have provided your names and phone numbers to law enforcement and have put yourselves in a position that you cannot get out of. The ball is in your court. I hope that all of you make smart decisions. It is unfortunate that you all have decided to hide behind your screen names and not have a civil discussion. It is ironic that those individuals state that we are not being smart. We have done nothing but follow the rules. The appropriate authorities have been contacted and are aware of all activities and individuals who are involved. For those of you who decide to oppose lawfully and civilly I encourage you to make your arguments and wish you the best.
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Way to garner support!
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I thought exactly the same thing! Adult beverages or something else. Absurd to say the least. He is getting crazier and crazier
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Really, you want me to post all the threats and emails between yourselves? I'm not going to do that ... I'll let the authorities handle it.
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I don’t recall ever reading a post that you were threatened. If you are getting personal threats to your email, that is just wrong and I for one do not condone that type of behavior.
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If the FAA receives information from another source that a pilot may have a mental health issue, the FAA's Office of Aerospace Medicine can direct the pilot to provide specific documentation and/or a psychiatric and psychological evaluation from a mental health care professional in order to make a determination about the pilot's suitability for certification.
I believe this thread is exhibit A. Good luck with putting me on your "list" I am in the witness protection program. |
List of what? You need to be more specific. Call out the offenders. Lump everyone together is not fair.
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My lawyer and I hope that I am on your “enemies list”. Do the terms malicious prosecution and abuse of process ring a bell? |
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Quick someone with a printer, please print this out before evidence is taken down. Great evidence for the selectmen, showing Epic making threats.
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