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VitaBene 11-03-2009 09:14 PM

Quick response
 
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Originally Posted by Acres per Second (Post 110833)
Yup. Those head gaskets always "just go bad". :rolleye2:


It's putting them back together that's tough. :emb: :cool:


Can? Or can't? Maybe you haven't witnessed "The 12-hours of Sebring". :laugh:


This case was interesting in that the "driver" launched his GFBL off a wave in a boating channel (!) and "stuffed it".

("Pitchpoled"—as used among experienced boaters).

As reported, the family aboard was killed, but what is widely unknown, is that the boat split at the bow, and shells (and other sealife) were found jammed into the gelcoat seam at the bow.

The bow of this boat had struck the bottom—in eight feet of water! :eek2:


Just one donor from all of these dozen+ bandwidth users? :eek:
Wait!...Did you donate? :emb:


1) If you were observant, you'd see I select that image for use at the boating threads—only. I expect to change it eventually, but I'm confused as to what's "silly" about it—is it the photo part—or the message part? :confused: The photo part, I see every day on the water. :confused:

2) I am a regular contributor :cool:


My boat's been out of the water for two weeks, as I wrote elsewhere here.

Y'know, distancing yourself from the "Winnipesaukee Belle" crowd isn't going to win you any more friends. :confused:

My music taste runs to acoustic guitar with vocals. (Otherwise, Ray Charles', Oh beautiful for spacious skies "gets me" every time). :coolsm:

The discarded CDs I use have "Ethernet" and "AOL" graphics on them.


VA definitely has a problem with agressive driving: that's the state that has to use state police cars as "rolling roadblocks" to tame the aggression. My guess is that D.C. is nearby and people who perceive they have greater power will drive in a manner to endanger "lesser citizens". :(


A denial would have been good to read here....:cool:


Skydivers, Harley riders, snowmobilers, and ice-fishermen don't appear in Criminal Court anywhere near as often.


Something I learned from the late Dr. Joe Davis at the Metropolitan Dade County morgue, is that a skydiver who hits the ground without the benefit of an open parachute, will break every bone in his body. The body doesn't go "splat". At the time, we were viewing the body of a 13-year-old boy who had just been wheeled out from being x-rayed—still wearing his helmet. :(


You deserve congratulations on achieving some measure of "education at speed".

I've been a "continuing student" of auto racing schools and, until last year, have been instructing race car drivers since 1984. (Getting PAID to instruct AND go fast—WHEE!). :) Unfortunately, the Porsche GT3s were just added to the MY mix on the track, and their overtaking speeds have dissapated my previous enjoyment at the track. (My BMW, at 130-MPH, is no slouch, either).

This is a closed track :), with no chance at drowning :( .


You know what happens to US Navy skippers who even (just) run aground, right? That's the end of their US Navy career. :(


Maybe you haven't seen parents on Jet-Skis with infants on their laps. I regard that as reckless as well.

Citing my experience at the Dade County Morgue once again, I'll say that adults look very dead (when dead), and children who are dead...look like they're asleep. :(

When I read, "He died doing what he loved", I think back that living is far more important than any hobby. Unfortunately, we can no longer interview the deceased for his opinion of his former "sport".

Among those things guaranteed to us Americans is "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".

Your particular "pursuit" shouldn't take the most important of these away—and that is "Life".


Few here have seen things and events that I've seen, and things and events—once seen—can't be "unseen". :(

I had started in on a long response to yet another one of your cobbled together, taken out of context, a$$inine posts but decided it was not worth the effort.

You can live in a bubble if you choose, and I agree that you can't interview the dead (wow you have seen dead people in a real morgue, how impressive), how about interviewing the ones who scraped by? How many of them climbed back on the "horse" that nearly killed them.

Finally, your closed track nonsense is just that, here is a little tidbit for you "The total number of spectator deaths and injuries is unknown, but at least 29 spectators died and 70 were injured by race cars or flying car parts at U.S. auto racing events alone since 1999, according to according to
The Charlotte (N C.) Observer"

Jmen already has shown that you post that silly picture in non boating threads- it is a pretty funny picture BTW. However, the real question remains, can your "system" cause an accident? Do you take it off when not aiming at your version of a BH? If it did cause an accident and me or one of mine were involved it would be sticking out the other end of your body.

VitaBene 11-03-2009 09:32 PM

EL you are a piece...
 
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Originally Posted by elchase (Post 110849)
Yosemite Sam,
Please don't get discouraged or scared away. Consider the source when you read criticism on these Anti Speed Limit threads. This is a very small cult of cowboys who think that boats should be able to go as fast as the driver wants on a crowded lake, any time he wants, day or night. They let their 6 year old kids pilot their 5-ton speed boats. They somehow contend that as long as they are drunk, it is ok to go really fast. They call run-abouts and canoes "speed bumps". They say smaller boats should be limited to "safer" lakes. They brag about their law-breaking escapades and give each other virtual high fives. They send PM's to inform you of the time they have spent in jail, and use screen names that tell you of their gun caliber preferences and social diseases. The word "maturity" has a whole different meaning to this small little gang. They dominate these threads because it is the only place where they fit in and appear normal. It is the only place that gives forum to law breakers and allows them to boast unlimited of their crimes, while limiting participation by the mainstream.
Your views are spot-on. Keep them coming.

And when you have some time, have a look on the internet and you will see what happens on lakes where the citizens have not organized to take back control. Simple searches reveal thousands of cases where boats like these, driven by cowboys like these, have killed people like you and me. Innocent boaters and bystanders, sometimes while asleep in their waterfront homes, are being killed all over the country and world by boaters like these with the "need for speed" who insist on showing off in their "look at me" boats driving at "look how fast I can go" speeds. Take comfort in the fact that Winnipesaukee used to have fatal accidents like these until we enacted a speed limit, and that our legislature (as much as I cringe at the other things that they have been doing) is not going to repeal a law that has worked so well.

Here are examples of what was and would again be happening on Winnipesaukee if we eliminated the Speed limit;
These two accidents in NY sound identical, except that
3 died in this one;
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...tagh-1.1500143
and ONLY one died in this one;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/o...Zdass6c9YR4HMO

of work- you have chosen to not believe a thing that has been written by anyone with an opposing view. I will say it again- THE MAJORITY OF SL OPPONENTS DO NOT OWN A BOAT THAT CAN EXCEED IT. Is that clear enough? I guess not.

Most of us own and use those things you refer to as speed bumps, however, we do know there is a time and place for everything (I for example choose not to run on Rt 109 even though it is legal).

The only PM I have sent you is to offer condolences on your mother's passing (unacknowledged BTW but according to Emily Post you have a year to do so)

Where did anyone say it was OK to drink and boat??

I bet my 14 year old son can out boat you any day of the week- he learned from a young age, from watching, from sitting on my lap, from listening.

VitaBene 11-03-2009 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DoTheMath (Post 110882)
Just a thought but - kayaks in the broads go beyond the operators or vessels capabilities. Most days it's rough enough out there where a kayak - that sits maybe a foot off the water? - becomes hard to see. As the waves generate "peaks and valleys" (or troughs) the kayak will be in and out of view on a repeated basis. I have never looked at the position of the kayak and paddler as not "belonging" in the broads, so much as it may not the best choice from a safety standpoint? I happen to thoroughly enjoy kayaking and exploring all the places you can't go in a big boat. I consider myself very capable in such a vessel, I have kayaked all over the western hemisphere, fresh and salt water in the US, Mexico, Caribbean, etc... I never really considered putting myself out into open water in these cases, not for fear of anything other than not being visible enough to a larger boat. All boats have conditions that they are suited (designed and built) for, and ones that the operator knows they are pushing the limit, and beyond. I've been there - as a kid, took a 13' Whaler out many a times in water that was beyond what Whaler had in mind I'm sure, but I loved it - and survived just fine. However, I never ventured into the broads on a windy day with it... just didn't seem smart. I pushed the limits of that boat, but never to the point that I felt there could be catastrophic results.

Point is - forget what the boat and operator is capable of, are the conditions and prevailing circumstances conducive to being there? Could the factors that are out of your control have a negative effect on your actions? Example - you read about people going out in a paddle boat or canoe at night, no lights, etc... and they are thinking... well, not sure WHAT they are thinking, but they do it. :rolleye2: Now, along comes Joe Q Boater, driving his 22' bowrider, family on board, lights on and doing 24 mph. It is a clear night, he is sober, experienced and 100% within the letter of the law from an operators standpoint. He sees nothing in front of him from an illuminated standpoint, and looks at his wife for 2 seconds to comment on how beautiful of a night it is. Meanwhile, said unlit vessel is crossing between Meredith Neck and Bear Isl, and in those two seconds, tragedy - he hits the canoe, paddle boat, whatever - and say kills one or both of the two occupants. How incredibly awful would you think that operator would feel for the rest of his life about that incident!? It would haunt him forever, and there was basically nothing he could do about it - from a practical standpoint - as it was out of his control. Yes, that is an extreme example - compared to a kayak in the broads during a sunny day, but I am just trying to make a point. The boat and operator may be "capable", but the prevailing conditions may not... And FTR - I would NOT take a kayak out into the broads on any day, it just doesn't seem like the best place to be in a boat like that.

DTM- Your post makes to much sense, it will be dismissed as more proof that the cowboys want to reign.

BroadHopper 11-03-2009 11:09 PM

Boneheads reign Supreme
 
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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 110891)
A simple thank you would not have been good enough here.. This is the best statement I have yet to read on the boards. The USCG knows more then any of us and if their laws are good enough for the US, why aren't they good enough for lake winni?

I see the SL supporters are completely ignoring this compromise. What tick me off that SL Opposers are willing to compromise in the name of safety for all boaters. SL Supporters don't give a squat about those boneheads that are not performance boaters. They are the real problem that needs to be addressed.

OCDACTIVE 11-05-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wpddep (Post 110924)
OCD,

Ended up being bad cam. Lobes, ramps, everything flattened. 1800runsnew, junk. Anyway, after complete rebuild, decked the block, line bored, shaved & ported heads, bumped up the compression, custom cam as stated and everything matched I'm looking at about 600-630hp. Hasn't been dynoed yet but it sure feels it! I saw you were searching for props, as am I. I do have a brand new Bravo 1 26p for you to try....problem is it is a RH and I think you are looking for a left. If you want to give it a try anyway we can reverse your drive temporarily just to see how that hull likes it, should be very close. (Actually, if I remember you have a Livorsi shifter? Run it in reverse, same results if you can get used to it for a short run!)


Thank you, I appreciate the offer. I should be able to trade my 32 LH for a 26 LH, especially as the season comes closer. You wil smoke me with that HP. Did you have to upgrade your drive at all? I would assume so. I don't recall but do you have hydro-steering?

Looking forward to braun bay this year... I might have trouble keeping pace with you though.. :eek::D

Should be a great summer!! Wait until you see the paint scheme...

VitaBene 11-06-2009 11:57 AM

Pitch change
 
OCD, is your pitch change because you're bring the power down entirely or were you after better holeshot/ acceleration anyway?

Just curious, I have spent a lot of time on boating furums reading about pitch and find it interesting how similar it is to gearing on a car or truck. I dont't think I am properly dialed in on my boat and am always trying to learn.

OCDACTIVE 11-06-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 111179)
OCD, is your pitch change because you're bring the power down entirely or were you after better holeshot/ acceleration anyway?

Just curious, I have spent a lot of time on boating furums reading about pitch and find it interesting how similar it is to gearing on a car or truck. I dont't think I am properly dialed in on my boat and am always trying to learn.

It is because I am going down from 680 HP to 500 HP.

The prop was a 32. Very slow out of the hole but very fast on top end and great acceleration in the mid range.

The owner of A/T is a friend of mine and I spoke with him about the boat. He said to run a 24 Bravo 1 for optimum performance. I have spoken with a few other owners that have tried the 26 and they were happy. I have the 24 already but since I have this extra 32 in prestine condition I hoped to trade her up and have both. From what I have read and discussed I really want to try get the 26 labbed in turn should get the overall performance of the 24 with a few extra MPH on the top end.... Either way I am very excited.

RTTOOL 11-06-2009 01:56 PM

I would use a five blade with no ring on the end. With the size of the boat and your hp...

wpddep 11-06-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 111123)
Thank you, I appreciate the offer. I should be able to trade my 32 LH for a 26 LH, especially as the season comes closer. You wil smoke me with that HP. Did you have to upgrade your drive at all? I would assume so. I don't recall but do you have hydro-steering?

Looking forward to braun bay this year... I might have trouble keeping pace with you though.. :eek::D

Should be a great summer!! Wait until you see the paint scheme...

OCD,

I have not upgraded the drive yet, too much $$ right now. I do have full hydraulic, can't live without it! Braun Bay sounds good but I'll have to take you over to Sebago next year for some real fun!

OCDACTIVE 11-06-2009 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wpddep (Post 111196)
OCD,

I have not upgraded the drive yet, too much $$ right now. I do have full hydraulic, can't live without it! Braun Bay sounds good but I'll have to take you over to Sebago next year for some real fun!

I have heard there are some really fun spots.. My only issue with taking trips is I have to make sure my son is taken care of. Thats one reason I love Winni so much. Both sets of grandparents are there and I have a free dock space!! But if we are planning a weekend I can see about having your boat at my dock... There is definately enough room..

gtagrip 11-06-2009 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wpddep (Post 111196)
OCD,

I have not upgraded the drive yet, too much $$ right now. I do have full hydraulic, can't live without it! Braun Bay sounds good but I'll have to take you over to Sebago next year for some real fun!

I agree, the sandbar at Sebago blows away Braun Bay! Enjoy, but not to much!;)

wpddep 11-06-2009 02:28 PM

I'll definitely be over to Winni several times, although with all these posts I've read I'm afraid I wouldn't be welcome with a "performance boat":) you know, being the wreckless, law breaking citizen that I am!

gtagrip 11-06-2009 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wpddep (Post 111199)
I'll definitely be over to Winni several times, although with all these posts I've read I'm afraid I wouldn't be welcome with a "performance boat":) you know, being the wreckless, law breaking citizen that I am!

Don't forget Cowboy.:rolleye2:

OCDACTIVE 11-06-2009 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by wpddep (Post 111199)
I'll definitely be over to Winni several times, although with all these posts I've read I'm afraid I wouldn't be welcome with a "performance boat":) you know, being the wreckless, law breaking citizen that I am!

Yes you could be one of the biggest offenders out there...!!! I can't believe they allow you on the roads not matter the lake.. I may have to make a citizens arrest.. Although by the sounds of it there are a few on here that plan on doing that already. They will just have to let out a lot more sail to catch up. ;):D:laugh::eek:

OCDACTIVE 11-06-2009 04:06 PM

:laugh:
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Originally Posted by gtagrip (Post 111198)
I agree, the sandbar at Sebago blows away Braun Bay! Enjoy, but not to much!;)

do they also have the big billboard sign explaining the rafting rules??? LOL :eek:

gtagrip 11-06-2009 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 111213)
:laugh:
do they also have the big billboard sign explaining the rafting rules??? LOL :eek:

I don't recall any such sign.:rolleye2: But maybe I was "going faster than my ability to see any such sign"???:emb:

OCDACTIVE 11-06-2009 04:25 PM

What do you think???
 
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I wasn't going to show anyone but figured what the hell....... What do you think of this paintjob? Just got the graphics finalized and contracted the place to do it. Sorry APS... not in the lakes region.. But closer.... Danvers MA.

gtagrip 11-06-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OCDACTIVE (Post 111219)
I wasn't going to show anyone but figured what the hell....... What do you think of this paintjob? Just got the graphics finalized and contracted the place to do it. Sorry APS... not in the lakes region.. But closer.... Danvers MA.

I like it! Although those "blue flames" look like they are going faster than 45mph!:)

DEJ 11-06-2009 04:32 PM

Looks good. Blue and white are classic boat colors.

VtSteve 11-06-2009 10:13 PM

I like it a lot. I don;t have to pay for it, I can drink in it, and you're willing to have me spend the weekend fueling it for you as you chauffeur me around.

Oh, by the way, we'll need it for the weekend at the Naswa to see if the cabing is big enough, and has enough headroom :D

robmac 11-07-2009 12:57 PM

OCD,it's going to look great. Can't wait to see it on the water again,gave me a couple of ideas for my boat over the winter.

ApS 11-09-2009 06:14 AM

Question Mop-up Time...
 
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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 110929)
"...can your "system" cause an accident...?"

A fair question regarding my CD warning-signals.

A bright flash of sunlight can cause a migraine "aura". That "aura" can—after a few minutes—temporarily blind those who are afflicted with that particular cousin of epilepsy. (Like myself).

The flash from a CD is much less (and much "briefer") than the sun's flash off a flat windshield, say, of a Formula performance boat.

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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 110929)
"...'The total number of spectator deaths and injuries is unknown, but at least 29 spectators died and 70 were injured by race cars or flying car parts at U.S. auto racing events alone since 1999, according to according to The Charlotte (N C.) Observer'"...your closed track nonsense is just that..."

On the road courses I frequent, spectators are seldom subjected to flying car parts OR flying cars. Collisions are far "rarer" at road courses than any track near Charlotte. :rolleye2: We road-racers have gravel traps, tire walls and "escape roads": ALL the risk is ALL on the driver—which is as it should be. :cool:

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Originally Posted by jmen24 (Post 110898)
"...do you actually use the rev-limiter while racing..."

My rev-limiter has been disabled on my "M-engine" (BMW-Motorsport Division). Concerned about missing a shift (and hitting 9500-RPMs) I relayed that concern to my tuner.

My tuner replied:

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"M-engines routinely run over 10,500-RPMs".
:coolsm:

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper (Post 110875)
"...In the past decade I have seen too many of these small crafts get in trouble along the Gilford shore. Especially when the wind is from the North.

And when the wind is from the South, I get to rescue them! :rolleye2: (Though most just wade their boat to a beach, pull their boat up and "wait out the weather"). :coolsm:

jmen24 11-09-2009 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jmen24 (Post 110898)
And speaking of that picture, I wonder if you would take responsibility for causing an accident on the water? If your signaling device were to impair the vision of the operator to cause an incident with another boat other than yourself, or triggered an epileptic event in the operator or an occupant of that boat.

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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 110929)
However, the real question remains, can your "system" cause an accident? Do you take it off when not aiming at your version of a BH?

APS, I must say that your silence on this question speaks volumes about how you view your actions. But when it comes to others, you are the loudest horn in the band.

OCDACTIVE 11-09-2009 11:49 AM

i was able to fix the picture

LIforrelaxin 11-09-2009 01:45 PM

Looks good OCD.... Nice and simple..... Some Paint Jobs, or Vinyl jobs get a way to fancy.... Simple always looks nicer in my opinion.....

OCDACTIVE 11-09-2009 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin (Post 111387)
Looks good OCD.... Nice and simple..... Some Paint Jobs, or Vinyl jobs get a way to fancy.... Simple always looks nicer in my opinion.....

Thanks man. That was my goal. the boat is great without graphics and I didn't want to overdue it.... It should turn out very nice. Very excited...

jmen24 11-10-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Acres per Second (Post 111354)
My rev-limiter has been disabled on my "M-engine" (BMW-Motorsport Division). Concerned about missing a shift (and hitting 9500-RPMs) I relayed that concern to my tuner.

My tuner replied:
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"M-engines routinely run over 10,500-RPMs".

:coolsm:

Let me know how that works out for you. Routinely and sustained are two different things. I am glad you agree that hitting redline at WOT without a load applied could be damaging to an engine.

As I am sure you are aware running WOT with a load applied (such as exiting a corner) and running WOT at redline (such as entering a corner or missing a shift) are two completely different animals and the damage to the vehicle is different (in most cases).

BroadHopper 11-10-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jmen24 (Post 111478)
As I am sure you are aware running WOT with a load applied (such as exiting a corner) and running WOT at redline (such as entering a corner or missing a shift) are two completely different animals and the damage to the vehicle is different (in most cases).

In marine applications there is always a steady load and there is no missed shifts. Except when you are wave dancing. There is an electronic rev limiter that can be turned on and off from the dash. Really handy when dancing. This is what I saw at the top gun school in Aventura.

I was told not to be too concerned with over revving in marine applications because of steady load. the rev limiters installed by the factory is only for warranty purpose and can be overrided with a reprogram of the ECU. Using the correct pitch prop to get WOT 'in the zone'

A good rev limiter cuts out the spark one cylinder at a time to avoid a total shut down which could cause a mechanical shock and early parts failure. My last look at these products are good examples of rev limiters. The MSD and the Jacobs line.

OCDACTIVE 11-12-2009 08:06 PM

Great news!!!!
 
OCD Engine Update.

Just heard from down south........... And everything with the heads and block are fine. The heads were magnafluxed and they are allset. The Block was pressure tested and its good to go.

Wow is that a relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So things should be coming together soon.

Will keep you updated!

BroadHopper 11-12-2009 08:18 PM

New wheels
 
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24" Revolution 4 4 blade. Best prop so far.

VtSteve 11-13-2009 07:22 AM

That's a mean prop BH. My little 5.0 couldn't turn the Rev4 I tried into a winner. My boat is far lighter than yours, but without the big block for torque. I really wanted the Rev 4 to work, because I heard it was a delight for fixing the Alpha Ones propensity for poor slow speed steering, particularly in reverse.

BroadHopper 11-15-2009 11:46 AM

Little history
 
My previous boat was a Liberator 211 with 350 Magnum. Originally came with a Michgan 19" SS prop. That was the best for that boat after trying tons of props. A 21" Laser was the best speed prop but it was subject to 'blow outs'. It also got the boat up to the point it will 'chine walk' at about 53 mph. Scary! The Liberator was a great boat for the 350. Highly recomend it.

The current Formula f 223 LS with 454 Magnum came with a 19" SS Mercury prop. It was hitting the rev limiter all the time. Swap for a 21" Bravo and again, hitting the rev limiter. Swap for a 23" Bravo and it appears to be a great all around prop. But I still hit the rev limiter. I tried the 25" Bravo solid hub and the boat flies! It was 400 rpm below the rev limiter, but 'blows out' easily in corners or if I try to do a hole shot. The current 24" prop is a delight. No blow outs. Less vibration. Same max rpm. Less speed but love the all around performance.

I want to thank Ron at Lakeport Landing for the prop swaps. I also want to thank Eddie at Winnisquam Marine for swapping the 4 blade. I use EBay as well to buy and sell SS props.

I have a 23" Bravo and a 25" Bravo solid hub for sale. Both 3 blades. I will accept any reasonable offer. I have a 23" aluminum. I keep that when I go on a body of water that I am not familiar with. :cool:

Dave R 11-19-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BroadHopper (Post 111978)
I have a 23" aluminum. I keep that when I go on a body of water that I am not familiar with. :cool:


A 454 and an aluminum prop must feel like complete mush. I'd love to see high speed video of the blades flexing at maximum engine torque and load.


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