I finally know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Well after months of waiting and agonizing over this I finally know what is wrong with OCD... Two of the most beautiful words in the world:

HEAD GASKET!


Could have been bad gas from what I was told.. Sorry to disappoint APS that it wasn't abusive driving... LOL :laugh:

A few other parts are worn (coupler) etc. but all in all she is in very good shape. Having her rebuilt anyway now that she is apart and being brought back to stock.

But with this wonderful news I will be able to add many new features to her. Stay tuned, this is going to be an exciting off season. :D:D:D

Little hint: I am buying most of my xmas presents from Livorsi!

Nice
 

That is good news.

Was the compression ratio brought down for the supercharger? What will you set it at? 9:1 or so?

Not sure to be honest. But I don't think it was if I had to guess.

Me too, but only guessing based on the head gasket damage. Stop abusing that boat :rolleye1:

will do.. :laugh: I seriously will have trouble sleeping tonight.. I am so releaved and excited... think about it 3 rd weekend of June until today I have been playing the guessing game.... It is great to finally know what is wrong. Can at least plan now what the $ damage will be...

For a minute there I thought you were talking about yourself. I thought you blew a head-gasket resulting from recent discussion on this page. Thanks for the photo clarification I can now see that the OCD you were referring to was the boat version not the person, OCD. Anyway congrats on the good news, keep us posted on the progress.

Yup. Those head gaskets always "just go bad". :rolleye2:

It's putting them back together that's tough. :emb: :cool:

Can? Or can't? Maybe you haven't witnessed "The 12-hours of Sebring". :laugh:

This case was interesting in that the "driver" launched his GFBL off a wave in a boating channel (!) and "stuffed it".

("Pitchpoled"—as used among experienced boaters).

As reported, the family aboard was killed, but what is widely unknown, is that the boat split at the bow, and shells (and other sealife) were found jammed into the gelcoat seam at the bow.

The bow of this boat had struck the bottom—in eight feet of water! :eek2:

Just one donor from all of these dozen+ bandwidth users? :eek:
Wait!...Did you donate? :emb:

1) If you were observant, you'd see I select that image for use at the boating threads—only. I expect to change it eventually, but I'm confused as to what's "silly" about it—is it the photo part—or the message part? :confused: The photo part, I see every day on the water. :confused:

2) I am a regular contributor :cool:

My boat's been out of the water for two weeks, as I wrote elsewhere here.

Y'know, distancing yourself from the "Winnipesaukee Belle" crowd isn't going to win you any more friends. :confused:

My music taste runs to acoustic guitar with vocals. (Otherwise, Ray Charles', Oh beautiful for spacious skies "gets me" every time). :coolsm:

The discarded CDs I use have "Ethernet" and "AOL" graphics on them.

VA definitely has a problem with agressive driving: that's the state that has to use state police cars as "rolling roadblocks" to tame the aggression. My guess is that D.C. is nearby and people who perceive they have greater power will drive in a manner to endanger "lesser citizens". :(

A denial would have been good to read here....:cool:

Skydivers, Harley riders, snowmobilers, and ice-fishermen don't appear in Criminal Court anywhere near as often.

Something I learned from the late Dr. Joe Davis at the Metropolitan Dade County morgue, is that a skydiver who hits the ground without the benefit of an open parachute, will break every bone in his body. The body doesn't go "splat". At the time, we were viewing the body of a 13-year-old boy who had just been wheeled out from being x-rayed—still wearing his helmet. :(

You deserve congratulations on achieving some measure of "education at speed".

I've been a "continuing student" of auto racing schools and, until last year, have been instructing race car drivers since 1984. (Getting PAID to instruct AND go fast—WHEE!). :) Unfortunately, the Porsche GT3s were just added to the MY mix on the track, and their overtaking speeds have dissapated my previous enjoyment at the track. (My BMW, at 130-MPH, is no slouch, either).

This is a closed track :), with no chance at drowning :( .

You know what happens to US Navy skippers who even (just) run aground, right? That's the end of their US Navy career. :(

Maybe you haven't seen parents on Jet-Skis with infants on their laps. I regard that as reckless as well.

Citing my experience at the Dade County Morgue once again, I'll say that adults look very dead (when dead), and children who are dead...look like they're asleep. :(

When I read, "He died doing what he loved", I think back that living is far more important than any hobby. Unfortunately, we can no longer interview the deceased for his opinion of his former "sport".

Among those things guaranteed to us Americans is "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".

Your particular "pursuit" shouldn't take the most important of these away—and that is "Life".

Few here have seen things and events that I've seen, and things and events—once seen—can't be "unseen". :(

Curious
 

OCD,

I'm not technically astute on this wear on the head gasket. Is it rust or burning that causes that wear? How does the bad gas affect the part? Does it have residual particles that get trapped in the seams?

That is burning.. It normally means it was running very lean causing the burning. This is also commen with a procharger. The particles get trapped in the oil filter but most disintergrate. That explains the "glitter" in my oil filter. If I had pushed it I could have caused a lot of damage to the heads, block etc. I got lucky.

The rule of thumb is if you hear or ever "feel" anything that isn't quite right. And usually only the captain with experience will feel it... SHUT IT DOWN.. It isn't like walking it off...

This could have been a much different story!

That's it? that's the only problem? I'm shocked that you let this relatively minor problem ruin the remainder of your boating season, way back in June.

I agree somewhat.. There had to be something causing the head gasket failure... It would have been a major gamble. I could have replaced it and everything could have run smoothly, however there still could be more damage in the heads. The Heads are going to a machine shop to be inspected and the block pressure tested.

However it may have just been, like you said and easy fix way back in June.

Either way I am getting her back to stock so I won't be worried about it happening again with what could be far worse results.

When she comes home it will be with a brand new engine.

The coupler was also shot said the mechanic so we are replacing that.

Oil pump, springs, bearings, water pump, impeller, fuel injection system..... everything is being redone...

I'd guess it was simply excessive pressure due to the supercharger, that's a pretty common failure mode in kit-supercharged engines. In the past, people would machine the heads and block and use metallic O-ring head gaskets to prevent this, usually right after it failed the first time... There might be better solutions now. Best of luck getting it all together and on the water next year.

Very nice - it's like going to the Dr. and being told that pain in your knee was just a sprain and not a torn ACL! ;). The only real (slightly) weak spot in that motor is the valve train, (springs, etc...) and it sounds like you're replacing those, so you should be bullet-proof when it goes back in the water. There will always be someone faster out there, I'll take reliability and time on the water over complete fluid and oil changes every 10 hours, any day! . :cool:

Make sure you get the newest catalog from Livorsi and a brand new highlighter, shopping is at least 1/2 the fun - and that catalog is ripe with goodies! Its going to be an exciting - and looooong off-season - for you for sure!

Glad to here things aren't looking as bad as they could have been. Knowing what damage could have been done I am relatively suprised that all that has been uncover so far is a a burnt out head gasket.

Well OCD get some rest now..... your going to need it with all those offers of rides, your going to have a busy summer.....

Yosemite Sam,
Please don't get discouraged or scared away. Consider the source when you read criticism on these Anti Speed Limit threads. This is a very small cult of cowboys who think that boats should be able to go as fast as the driver wants on a crowded lake, any time he wants, day or night. They let their 6 year old kids pilot their 5-ton speed boats. They somehow contend that as long as they are drunk, it is ok to go really fast. They call run-abouts and canoes "speed bumps". They say smaller boats should be limited to "safer" lakes. They brag about their law-breaking escapades and give each other virtual high fives. They send PM's to inform you of the time they have spent in jail, and use screen names that tell you of their gun caliber preferences and social diseases. The word "maturity" has a whole different meaning to this small little gang. They dominate these threads because it is the only place where they fit in and appear normal. It is the only place that gives forum to law breakers and allows them to boast unlimited of their crimes, while limiting participation by the mainstream.
Your views are spot-on. Keep them coming.

And when you have some time, have a look on the internet and you will see what happens on lakes where the citizens have not organized to take back control. Simple searches reveal thousands of cases where boats like these, driven by cowboys like these, have killed people like you and me. Innocent boaters and bystanders, sometimes while asleep in their waterfront homes, are being killed all over the country and world by boaters like these with the "need for speed" who insist on showing off in their "look at me" boats driving at "look how fast I can go" speeds. Take comfort in the fact that Winnipesaukee used to have fatal accidents like these until we enacted a speed limit, and that our legislature (as much as I cringe at the other things that they have been doing) is not going to repeal a law that has worked so well.

Here are examples of what was and would again be happening on Winnipesaukee if we eliminated the Speed limit;
These two accidents in NY sound identical, except that
3 died in this one;
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...tagh-1.1500143
and ONLY one died in this one;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/o...Zdass6c9YR4HMO

Really? How many accidents that involved speed in excess of 45/25 were there on Lake Winni in the past 10 years? Please be specific and cite each one, with the specific cause.

A couple of EL's points deserve emphasis. People from out of state sometimes comment to me when they hear of my Winni location about Winni's out of control reputation; it's something I've been trying to ignore for 2 decades now. I agree with EL on the safety issue too...and his links have shown speed is a problem needing to be addressed, both on Winni and elsewhere. I need to add that in addition to safety,there is the issue (as many have pointed out) of speed, noise, and the overall boating experience on the lake. We can't go back to the 1960's...there are just too many boats and the superfast boats on the lake in the 60's were few and far between. Tho only logical solution is a SL and so far it seems to be working. Most of the worst offenders call attention to themselves with major noise. Noise legislation hasn't worked, will not work (even with switchable exhaust) and the noise from these boats is just too loud for most people anyway.
We've heard from a few members about their sense from talking to others that no one (practically) supports the SL. As was mentioned earlier in one of the threads, this seems unusual given the number of people involved in the speed limit movement, people we talk to around the lake, the many organizations that supported Winnfabs and the SL as well as the many businesses that support the SL. I suppose those very vocal people on the forum who said they would never ever again support these businesses are frequenting those that were against limits and are therefore hearing the things they want and expect to hear. Clearly if I went to Murphy's Bar and asked people their opinions on alcohol in America the results would differ significantly from those I'd hear at an AA meeting.
I find it ironic too that the face of the NHRBA will be frequently on the front page in a couple of months when the Sl debate is coming more and more into the headlines as well.
Another good point is the attempted marginalization by the Sl opposition of smaller craft/kayaks/etc. and that some of these people are "stupid" if they would venture into the broads in such a craft. I know of many skilled kayakers who have sea kayaks and are capable of handling more than the broads can offer. To suggest that these craft need to "stay close to shore" is just a self serving example of the smoke and mirrors used by those who want no limits. As EL said a while back "wild horses don't like to be corralled".
I applaud the efforts of NH citizens to take back the lake for a more equitable use for all and also feel it is unlikely that the state legislature will cause a reversal of the gains achieved for the lake, and 45/25 is a good compromise.

You know TB, I don't agree with many of your posts. But I have to say that this is an excellent post. It clearly states your position, and why you feel that way. Kudos to you. Although I completely disagree with your position, I still respect it.

I completely agree.. just don't know what it has to do with my head gasket.. LOL

Don't get me going about kayakers/canoes and sunfishes on the Broads. I have lived on the Broads most of my life. In the past decade I have seen too many of these small crafts get in trouble along the Gilford shore. Especially when the wind is from the North.

As a good Samaritan, I would venture out and rescue these hapless folks. Only because I have a 'performance' boat capable enough to tackle the weather. Even the MP have trouble rescuing. if I call them, it takes a while for them to get there. I can imagine how many people would have drowned if my boat was 'outlawed' from the lake. I had many people thanks their lucky stars that there was a boat capable of fighting the weather.

Blowing smoke
 

There is only one group of people IMHO that is blowing smoke regarding the speed limit and that is winnfabs and their supporters. Perhaps that is why your head gasket blew. LOL.

Agreed, and there will of course be those who don't belong on the broads who do get in trouble, just like there are GFBL's who take different unnecessary risks. My point is that there are those who are capable (the sea kayakers for example) of handling the broads. I am seriously glad you are willing and able to do the occasional rescue, especially at 45 MPH or under.

Great Compromise
 

Then we should attach to the speed limit law a ruling that only ocean type kayaks are allowed on the Broads. No canoes and sunfishes. Because my boat won't be around to rescue them. If this law is about safety, it is the least we should do. A great compromise! :cool:

Just a thought but - kayaks in the broads go beyond the operators or vessels capabilities. Most days it's rough enough out there where a kayak - that sits maybe a foot off the water? - becomes hard to see. As the waves generate "peaks and valleys" (or troughs) the kayak will be in and out of view on a repeated basis. I have never looked at the position of the kayak and paddler as not "belonging" in the broads, so much as it may not the best choice from a safety standpoint? I happen to thoroughly enjoy kayaking and exploring all the places you can't go in a big boat. I consider myself very capable in such a vessel, I have kayaked all over the western hemisphere, fresh and salt water in the US, Mexico, Caribbean, etc... I never really considered putting myself out into open water in these cases, not for fear of anything other than not being visible enough to a larger boat. All boats have conditions that they are suited (designed and built) for, and ones that the operator knows they are pushing the limit, and beyond. I've been there - as a kid, took a 13' Whaler out many a times in water that was beyond what Whaler had in mind I'm sure, but I loved it - and survived just fine. However, I never ventured into the broads on a windy day with it... just didn't seem smart. I pushed the limits of that boat, but never to the point that I felt there could be catastrophic results.

Point is - forget what the boat and operator is capable of, are the conditions and prevailing circumstances conducive to being there? Could the factors that are out of your control have a negative effect on your actions? Example - you read about people going out in a paddle boat or canoe at night, no lights, etc... and they are thinking... well, not sure WHAT they are thinking, but they do it. :rolleye2: Now, along comes Joe Q Boater, driving his 22' bowrider, family on board, lights on and doing 24 mph. It is a clear night, he is sober, experienced and 100% within the letter of the law from an operators standpoint. He sees nothing in front of him from an illuminated standpoint, and looks at his wife for 2 seconds to comment on how beautiful of a night it is. Meanwhile, said unlit vessel is crossing between Meredith Neck and Bear Isl, and in those two seconds, tragedy - he hits the canoe, paddle boat, whatever - and say kills one or both of the two occupants. How incredibly awful would you think that operator would feel for the rest of his life about that incident!? It would haunt him forever, and there was basically nothing he could do about it - from a practical standpoint - as it was out of his control. Yes, that is an extreme example - compared to a kayak in the broads during a sunny day, but I am just trying to make a point. The boat and operator may be "capable", but the prevailing conditions may not... And FTR - I would NOT take a kayak out into the broads on any day, it just doesn't seem like the best place to be in a boat like that.

Reasonable and Prudent Use
 

I think reasonable and prudent use of any watercraft promotes safety. If you read some of the USCG rules (Rule 6, 8 etc.), it is all about safe handling of a water craft. I think that is what NH should put on her books. A kayaker being out on the broads without the proper equipment should be just as guilty as a motorboater speeding out of control through the Weirs Channel. 'Cowboys' can be on any watercraft. Death can happen in a kayak, canoe, rowboat and sailboat, just as much as death can happen on a motorboat. Putting arbitrary limits on motorboats won't cure the lake ills. But putting 'reasonable and prudent operation' of all water vessels will go a long way in the name of safety. That will be a great compromise. Everyone will be responsible for their intentions as skipper on the lake.

I vote that we should adopt the federal rules and make them mandatory on all bodies of water in NH. Not just the ocean.

Your turn.

OCD,

Scott, without getting into too many details I'm sure you'll figure out who this is. I haven't seen or talked to you since you got the AT, congrats! I now how long you've been waiting for that. Your father-in-law has been keeping me mostly up to date on your problems, considering all the problems I've been having with my Checkmate (even since you drove it!) My problems are resolved and I couldn't be happier. Great news on the head gasket (all things considered). If you need help with anything, let me or Steve know, I'll be glad to help any way I can. The engine builder I used is about 200 yards away from me at the lake! He did great work (and has a full in-house machine shop) and I got a lot of help from Bob Madara at Marine Kinetics (custom ground cam/matching Morel lifters, Isky Springs setup, etc.). If you are still interested in paint, the guy who did my boat has his shop right over in Gilford, let me know if your interested and I can get you hooked up. We will definitely have to hook up on the water next summer!

Yes, wasn't hard to figure out. Welcome to Winni.com. Love the screen name as well!!!

I appreciate it. I don't know he told you but the boat is being stored down in VA and should be all fixed within a month. I called steve about the painter, he said he wasn't in business. It is fine though because I decided to go vinyl. A lot less $$$ and it is better for resale then to have my name on the side. Not that I ever plan on selling but you have to be prepared for the worst case scenario.

We absolutely have to meet up. I am trying to convince Steve to bring his boat down for Jammin on the James next year. There are a few checkmates doing that run. Actually there are two boats identical to you and steve's except for paint jobs. But we definately need to hook up on the lake. I hope to see you before that and I will bring the video of last years run.

Great hearing from you. Stay on the boards and I will keep you updated as to the progress. Should be some good accesories coming as well.

Take care!

A simple thank you would not have been good enough here.. This is the best statement I have yet to read on the boards. The USCG knows more then any of us and if their laws are good enough for the US, why aren't they good enough for lake winni?

While I vehemently disagree with your position and your conclusions this is as well stated a post I have ever seen coming from the Supporters side. Very UNLIKE a certain post before this one. No, unfortunately the other person has to resort to outright lies and inflammatory statements. He wonders why a large percentage of people have him on the ignore list. It's also no wonder why SL Supporters that have posted for years here have distanced themselves from him.

Really this is your example of WOT, Yeah no corners at Sebring for 12 hours.:laugh:

At first I was thinking that your first comment above was based on little knowledge of the sport, then I read this and think to myself, do you actually use the rev-limiter while racing. As you know that any sustained contact with the limiter will make you engine go POP. By the way my wifes Saab will do 130mph+ as well, whats your point, as you know it is not about how fast the car can go, its how much speed the driver and car together, can handle around the entire circuit, we are not talking drag racing, here.:D

I am really confused, all that experience and these are your examples.

If you look here, http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=7586 you would know that this statement is not true at all and that is without looking hard APS.
And speaking of that picture, I wonder if you would take responsibility for causing an accident on the water? If your signaling device were to impair the vision of the operator to cause an incident with another boat other than yourself, or triggered an epileptic event in the operator or an occupant of that boat.

APS, why do your posts take hours to show up in these threads, it seems odd that after reading through these forums, the conversation shifts a little and then these posts just pop out up. This may be out of your control (connection, whatever), just did not know if you knew that was happening.

He deserves an Emmy for the "stories" he has told over the years. :D

No I don't.

What "SL Supporters" are you referring to?

TB, thanks for the support. Keep the faith. Don't let the phony KAing lull you.

Here's a case where the driver admits to both drinking and speeding, leading to this accident that KILLED THREE. By the cult's logic of "two negatives make a positive", he did nothing wrong. "But he was intoxicated too!" they will shout. Doesn't say whether the dead were his innocent passengers or innocent people sitting on the dock he smashed into at 50MPH. "But he would have been breaking the 150 rule too!" they will shout. Perhaps his boat would have also violated our noise statute, rendering this accident "proof" that our SL should be repealed..."But his boat was too loud too!" :confused:;
http://www.13wham.com/news/local/sto...m2wijlbZQ.cspx

What ended up being the issue with the engine? also I hear you are going to be pushing some Major HP!!.. Your boat will fly right by me.

I have this vision of a lone man in a hallway screaming and rantng to nobody. It's becoming more than a little comical now.

If a tree falls in the woods and nobody is around.... Yada yada yada:rolleye1:

So, at 45MPH, those who were killed in this tragic accident would be around today? Doubt it.

Looks from the gasket failure like she was leaning out,I'm sure your mechanic will but check injectors,and fuel pump volume. Great news no big failure and big buck repair.

Good post APS
 

I must say, turns out you're much more adventurous than myself :laugh:

My car's speedo goes to 160 mph, I however, do not :( Not much of a thrillseeker myself. And no, you certainly cannot "unsee" that which has been seen. Many have tried to eradicate things seen before, and in many ways (many harmful as well).

I used to be more live and let live. Now? Sometimes I say Cut the crap cowboy and grow up! to those that live recklessly, and worst of all, In the midst of those that are not :rolleye2: You know the idiots, we all have seen them.

There's a fine line between compromise and overreaching. At some point, reality and common sense has to factor into the decision-making process. Many times, I think you overshoot your obstacle, perhaps it's due to a need for more solitude than your surroundings can offer.

But I do feel you want to eliminate as much of your surroundings as possible, unless they mesh with your particular lifestyle or visions thereof. Perhaps I'm wrong. I have no need for 100 mph plus boats, nor the loud noises, nor the danger. But I have no tolerance for cowboys in any boat, regardless of noise or propulsion. But I have no plans that involve eradicating vessels from lakes anytime soon.

Many of us agree on the safety proposition, good place to start.

Exactly..... I am replacing the injectors with the stock ones after they are pressure tested as well..... From what I have been reading and have heard this happens a lot with procharged / whippled engines.

OCDACTIVE
I'll stand behind you anyday of the week! And by the looks of it, not too far behind you:laugh:.
BTW Sam , I collect Social Security and been boating since I was 11.

OCD,

Ended up being bad cam. Lobes, ramps, everything flattened. 1800runsnew, junk. Anyway, after complete rebuild, decked the block, line bored, shaved & ported heads, bumped up the compression, custom cam as stated and everything matched I'm looking at about 600-630hp. Hasn't been dynoed yet but it sure feels it! I saw you were searching for props, as am I. I do have a brand new Bravo 1 26p for you to try....problem is it is a RH and I think you are looking for a left. If you want to give it a try anyway we can reverse your drive temporarily just to see how that hull likes it, should be very close. (Actually, if I remember you have a Livorsi shifter? Run it in reverse, same results if you can get used to it for a short run!)