Thanks Don....oh wait, that is 1825 per year......:(

In all seriousness, I am glad to learn that boating is so darn safe from a statistical perspective.

SOTD, my Mother once told me if you cannot say something nice about someone then say nothing. Perhaps you missed that lesson from your Momma. Think before you post please. thanks.

I can see Hazelnut when he went to the Woodshed for an evening out with his family. Here is how it probably went:

Hazelnut: Attention everyone, I said attention everyone; Hi I’m conducting an informal poll to see who is for or against the new Lake Winipesaukee speed limit. If you say no then I will not ask you anymore questions. If you say yes, then please explain why you are for it.
Ok, you over there are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: No I am not for it!
Hazelnut: Good, you are my kinda folks, you can continue eating.
Hazelnut: Ok, you over there who seem to be enjoying your meal, are you for it or against it?
Customer enjoying his meal: Yes I am for it.
Hazelnut: OMG please explain to me why you are for it. I just can’t believe that anyone in their right mind could be for it. Don’t you understand that there are thousands of people who are not for it and you are the first ones that I have run into that are for it. Stop enjoying you meal and give me 1000 reasons why you are for a speed limit. I said stop eating your food.
Customer enjoying his meal: Oh I’m sorry, I am not for the speed limit anymore, now can I enjoy my meal.
Hazelnut: Great, another one to add to my poll for being against that darn speed limit.
Hazelnut: Hey you over there in the corner………….!!!!

:laugh::laugh:
Exactly! My wife was pretty embarrassed to say the least! The management was none too happy either. I'm not welcome back there anytime soon. DO you think the bullhorn was overkill? :laugh:

It's ok DEJ when the facts are proven out all that's left is to insult. I actually like the post from sunset, it pretty much confirms what I have been saying. I'm sure he gets frustrated when everyone he talks to laughs at the SL law. ;)

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: You're a good sport!

This is Doc' Sunset reporting from Foxwoods Casino in beautiful rural Connecticuit for WFRM news. We're here today to ask people to weigh in on a bill that would make gambling illegal, but so far I've yet been unable to find a single person who would favor such a move. I've interviewed patrons, bartenders, waitresses, and just about anyone I can find. It seems clear to me that gambling in New England enjoys unequivocal and unanimous support.
In another unrelated story, we're receiving early reports of a fatal high speed boating accident...details at 11.



Seriously though, did Hazelnut interview anyone at any of the summer camps? With such a long list of businesses and organizations who supported the SL and Winnfabs ,I'm sure you might understand my skepticism of the results of the informal Hazelnut poll at such odds with the ARG poll and my own observations.

Hey Hnut, don't yo know by now that facts mean nothing to those who support the SL?

What happened to that documentary that you guys were making this summer? Remember how you were going out to film fifteen minutes of usual boating on Winnipesaukee so you could show us how crazy it still was? Never heard about that again. I have 4 hours of continuous footage from my buddy's dock from Labor Day Sunday Aug 23 11AM to 3PM and the civility is actually quite boring. I had trouble sitting through it myself. A DVD has been given to several of our legislators. Only one of the reps admits to have watched it so far and she claims she saw one boat that "might have been going 45ish", but I don't agree. I think he just looked to be going fast in comparison to all the slower traffic around.

This guy must have been flying to catapult his passenger to his death in this speedboat crash. The boat owner was really thinking ahead when he named the boat "Never a Dull Moment". But then, this happened almost 600 miles away, so it must be irrelevant;
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/nova-scotia...-sentence.html

So does this prove that the speed limit is working or that a speed limit is not needed??? :rolleye2:

Labor Day is in September here in the States
 

For the record, Sunday, August 23rd was two weekends before Labor Day Weekend. More misrepresentation!

R2B

I can see your point. I never looked at any list of supporting business or organizations before I shopped, ate, visited at locations.

Seriously though, my "poll" was no "poll." All I did this summer was engage people in conversation about the SL. I call it an informal poll because it was really not a poll at all. The conversations with people usually began with me playing like I knew nothing of a speed limit.

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: "Thanks for the info."

That is a paraphrased typical conversation I had several times this summer. I urge you to do the same thing while shopping, dining, etc in the area. Your results will be the same.

This is how the conversation really went:

Me: "Is there a speed limit or not on this lake?"
Waiter: "yup" (Roll eye) "45/25"
Me: "45/25?"
Waiter: "45 day, 25 at night?"
Me: "wow, that's pretty interesting"
Waiter: "Pretty dumb if you ask me."
Me: “Why do you think it’s pretty dumb?”
Waiter: Gee I don’t know, that’s what all the big spenders with those hugh boats say, and my boss told me to say it’s “pretty dumb” if anyone asked me.
Me: Very good that’s what I’ve been getting from most of the people I have polled.
Waiter: Now do I get that big tip that my boss said I would get?
Me: Yes you do!!!

There is a HUGH yard sale in Gilford today. I think they are having a sale on governors

I never thought of that. I did leave him a 38% tip because he didn't like the SL. The gas dock attendants made HUGE $$$$ off of me this year by telling me what I wanted to hear. Pity the poor soul that actually said they supported the SL. They would have gotten squat from me. :laugh:

Ditto
 

That is why the SL is bad for the economy! :D

This poor guy died from his injuries after he was run over by a "speeding" boat. Maybe if the driver had been going slower, the added reaction time he would have had might have been enough to avoid the swimmer...but we'll never know;
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33273246...s-honolulu_hi/

Make some common sense about this


"Still, Levora said boaters must constantly scan the water for people, birds and nets, but he's also concerned about skilled divers who don't use markers in an attempt to keep their dive spots secret.

“That puts them in danger and then you're on top of them,” he said. “When you're going 20 miles an hour, you can't just shut that thing down. It's not like a car.”

In the case of Lum's death, police said there may be criminal charges against the boater. Lum's dive partner said the boat was speeding, but police said there is no evidence that the 32-year-old boat owner was intoxiated.
"

Exactly...if he had been intoxiated (sic) then we'd have no reason to worry because we all know that speeding boats helmed by drunks are not dangerous.;)

Sorry, but this next guy would not admit his exact speed, so all we know is that he too was "speeding" when he crashed into another boat KILLING ONE and injuring nine. Since he was within 150' of the victim boat the instant before he hit it, the cult will say "but if he was going over headway speed he was "speeding", so maybe he was only going 6 MPH. Besides, he would have been violating our safe passage law too, so this does not count". They will also say "and there is no proof that that guy would not have died if the boat was only going 2 MPH" :confused:;
http://www.injurytriallawyer.com/blog/13.cfm

If you're going to be the spelling police you'd better check yourself el. Your grammar isn't up to par to be criticizing those who accidentally misspell a word here and there. You just come off smarmy and your message gets obscured with your quest to correct the members of this board.


FYI - Punctuation is placed inside of the parenthesis in the case of the period at the end of this sentence:
so this does not count".

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Sorry to derail the thread folks but it really gets under my skin when people here feel the need to start criticizing others grammar and spelling. This is a message board not an English paper.

You're posts are far from error free so don't go correcting others unless you're confident you are perfect.

Maybe "You're" should be Your?

PAY ATTENTION!!!!! I never said I was perfect! I said I can't stand it when people point out how others misspell and misuse grammar when they are far from perfect themselves. It is smarmy and detracts from the post. Unless you're perfect Sam don't go correcting me!
Half the time I am using my phone to post anyway. I'm lucky if it comes out at all never mind grammatically correct.

I repeat this isn't an English paper jeez!
Need I go back and proof all of your posts Sam?

Perhaps you should learn the proper time and place to use a possesive apostrophe?? I try not to ping on spelling and grammar in forum discussions but you started this one. Here is a quick rundown- the apostrophe (that funny thing you keep putting before every s) is meant to show possession, not plurality. And I know, you can probably go back and find a mistake in one of my posts but guess what? If I reread all my posts I would find the misrtakes (sic) in them- can you say the same about yours?

I regreted the post right after I pushed the post button. However I have seen way too many grammar and spelling police on here that are so far from perfect. I myself am guilty of butchering the English language on this board. Sorry I don't proof everything I post on this site. Big deal this is a message board!
I can assure you my 30 page research paper last semester was error free. Yup I'm still taking classes all these years later. Ha ha ha.

Sam no offense to you but I was purely using el's mistake to point out why he should leave the grammar and spelling corrections out of the discussion. Yes I have egg on my face as I commited an error in my example. Oh well! The point is not one person on this board is perfect so give the corrections a rest!

Go ahead if you have the time.....I'm sure you will find many many grammar and spelling error's.

Whatever!!

I love a well thought out post complete with witty repartee!! Have a wonderful night!

We all screw up and abuse the English language. Well except for that one member...

Any chance we can get back to rolling around in the mud about the Speed Limit. (potential improper use of word capitalization to draw focus :))

This is hugh and series...
 

Ummm. This is Hugh.

http://www.nss.org/about/bios/downs3.jpg

I think you meant...getting back to the "train wreck" that is the Speed Limit. ;)

"FUNNY"? More Enlightening Needed...
 

Opponents are "figuring out" Winnipesaukee safety? :confused:

Take a look at what has appeared on the Internet, and how "funny" a 100-MPH speed is to ONE OF YOUR OWN:

:confused: :eek2: :confused: :mad: :confused: :eek: :confused:

Boy, I went to sleep early last night and missed all the excitement.

on second thought...never mind..I am done with this speed limit debate until next year..

If anyone wants to discuss or argue with me about anything ;)..please find me in the Snowmobile Section for the Winter months.....:patriot:

Don't give up yet! We still plan to boat for a few more weeks.

I thought this was an SL forum not a grammar test. It seems like the goading tactics are working. I am trying to understand the logic or benefit of flooding these posts with random boating related fatality stories.

We could list the gory details about plane crashes – Result – Outlaw airplanes, no need to spend on airports and fear of future catastrophes.
We could list the horrible gory details of motorcycle fatalities – Result – Outlaw motorcycles, no more motorcycles to create these horrible events.
We could list the horrible stories of animal attacks – Result – No one allowed to go into the wild.
We could list the horrible Dog Attack stories – Result – No more pets.
We could list the horrible divorce stories - Result – No more marriage.
We could list all the crimes created by guns – Result – Outlaw guns so only outlaws would have guns!
We could list the accidents of mountain climbers – Result – Law against mountaineering.
We could list the horrible stories on politicians that legislate to constrict freedom – Result – No more politicians! – Okay this one does have value!
I could go on but need to work to pay my taxes so the government can create programs to help save someone else’s universe.

At the end of the process of eliminating danger and fear we can all be satisfied by reading about our forefathers and wonder what they were thinking when they actually challenged themselves to take risks and conquer fear. I am not of the opinion that anyone that does not support the SL desires to bring fear to anyone. Fear is created by not knowing a potential outcome. Boneheads, uneducated, and Darwin Award candidates create unpredictable encounters.

I believe we need to respect the rights of individuals that seek to own or use larger or faster vessels on one of the best publicly owned NH lakes. It has always been used for many different recreational purposes and one of the best attractions is the dirversity.

I don't. You at least admit you have commited errors in spelling and grammar. :D

It just gets under my skin when someone on here has to try and put on an air of superiority, especially when that person has many flaws themselves. Face it none of us are perfect, to go on correcting each other is a bit over the top. Let's just stick to discussions and leave the grammar and spelling corrections to the English classroom.

Wait a second..........I'm perfect........ at least that is what my dear mother used to tell me.. LOL

I also could be the worst offender of grammatical errors out there. Spell check and the ways of the blackberry have done a number on proper english..

One of who's own? My own? Where do you draw the connection?

APS your only purpose in life is to rid one sector of the boating population you consider undesireable. Don't even pretend you give a rats behind about safety.

What a smarmy buffoon. Lady, if this is indicative of what our kids are facing in school, I take back everything nice I have ever said about teachers.
First off, I do not and did not criticize anyone’s grammar or misspelling. I make enough mistakes of my own that I’d not risk looking the smarmy idiot that you did…except maybe when Girlhopper writes those Swahili messages with no nouns and seven adverbs. Had you taken the time to look, you’d see that the misspelling was in the originally quoted article, and it is customary to “sic” such errors so others know that you are not the one making the mistake. Your smarmy hate is clouding your senses. Take a chill pill and think before you write. Assuming that is within your ability.
Secondly, you are dead wrong about my punctuation. If you were an English teacher, shame on you. My period is obviously the end of the sentence starting with “Since he was…” and belongs OUTSIDE the quote. Had the phrase inside the quote been a complete sentence, then it might have deserved an ADDITIONAL period inside the quotes, but you need to go back to school lady. If you are going to criticize, make sure you know what you are talking about first.*
Thirdly, Your “You’re” mistake is worthy of keeping a third grader back. What grade did you teach? What grade did you finish yourself?

You have the nerve to "smarmily" chastise Sam about being smarmy and tell him to “PAY ATTENTION!!!” for pointing out your error when he was so unsmarmily polite in the way he pointed out the irony of your HUGE booboo in your high and mighty post that was itself erroneous in the first place? Notice his lack of those smarmy smilies that frequent your smarmy posts?

Luckily, I was blocked last night. My response would not have been so tame as Sam's, and my attitude has mellowed since I read it last night. You made a complete idiot out of yourself and set your profession back a full century. You and the rest of your Simian cult need to get down from your smarmy pedestals and look in the mirror.

Lady, If I were you I’d change my screen name and start over. “Egg on your face” is the least of your problems.

And where's your list of Supporters that have abandoned me? Was that just another of "you're" lies? And where's that promised apology for saying I lied about Girlhopper's PM?

Holy C---p! The pot calls the kettle black (the white kettle at that). I don't know where to begin with this one. Smarmy young boy, you are the epitome of all that is wrong with our public school system. That is, assuming you even "grajiated" 3rd grade.

Amen
No...two members (see above) :):)

I think I saw this cigarette boat on Winnipesaukee a couple of years ago, before the speed limit. Is he one of your cult? Did he vote on your "poll"?;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/b...7RlLGo2mH3wSmO

And when is someone going to post that documentary you guys made?
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=153
I'm gathering that it did not show what you had hoped. As I found out, four hours of boaters behaving civilly is pretty boring to watch.

And one more thing;
I had promised myself I was not going to get dragged into doing the homework for a group of cavemen who are incapable of typing "google.com" in their own address bars. There have been numerous high speed boating accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee in recent years...(before last summer when there were none - coincidence?). Do you own research as I have done and reported to the legislature already. Here is a lesson. Go to Google and type in "Wolfeboro Donzi accident". You'll hit this http://www.offshoreonly.com/forums/293022-post4.html This guy was not drinking, and violated no laws. Luckily, he only killed himself this time...a real rarity when the driver is the one killed. Had some poor slob been out there in a sailboat and had this guys carcass come crashing into them, they might have unfortunately been killed too. But then you' say "But he violated the 150-ft rule too...so it doesn't count.". (note the two periods Hazel?) I could post links to many other similar Winnipesaukee events from before we had an SL, but it is not my job to be your researcher. Besides, you'd think of imaginative reasons why those ones "don't count".(note the one period Hazel?) For instance, if I linked you to the two separate times boats who witnesses said were speeding ran aground on Eagle Island at night, you'd say; "But one of those pilots did not have permission to use his dad's boat anyway and the other might have been looking at an obsolete chart.". (not the two periods Hazel?) Take the blinders off. You guys are DEAD WRONG but too blinded by yoru selfishness to ever see it. A crowded lake required by statute to be available for all modes of appropriate recreation needs a reasonable limit on the speeds of the multi-ton boats that have recently invaded it and which are often piloted by immature cowboys...period.


*Of course, if we look hard enough we can probably find a source to support any grammatical argument. Here's my source for putting periods outside quotation marks; issue http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2932 . Where's your source for using "You're" as a second person possessive?

WOW! :laugh:

Well I guess I'm joining the ranks of those who put el on the ignore list.

Seriously though Don? Has this crossed a new line? Sexist comments? In the almost 10 years I have been posting and reading this forum this is about the most offensive post I have ever read.

Even though it is directed at me personally I am not offended at all. The source isn't worth the time of day. But generally speaking Don, this is wildly offensive and hateful.

All I can say is WOW!

FYI elchase:
http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

You sir are an idiot.

http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/gramm.../quotation.htm
In the United States, periods and commas go inside quotation marks regardless of logic.

At least you got the gender correct
 

I graduated from 3rd grade and got a little bit higher than that. If you want to hold a little spelling bee sometime, let me know. I will even let one of your little band of merry men moderate it.

I don't really want to get into careers either, because I frequently state that "I work to live, I do not live to work", but I have done pretty well there with my limited edumication (sic). See I even know where sic belongs. You will have to speak to the Jesuits about my poor grammar and writing skills.

Please do not denigrate the public schools. I live in Moultonborough and I feel they do an excellent job educating my children.

Your new buddy Sam (did you recall his original avatar with two guns blazing, wasn't that offensive to you?) piled on with you last night with the grammar (remember when you pinged on VT Steve over intoxiated then he started in on the You're as opposed to Your?).

With your personal attacks, your banning from this forum is likey near. It would be too easy to type what I think about you and stoop to your level. Frankly I think everyone knows what you are.

I agree Hnut
 

I also hope Don stops the obvious personal attacks from this poster. :confused: