hey dothemath.. so can I convince you to tow to Jammin this year?

lake Norman
 

I will be heading down to Lake Norman in NC for the holidays. My sister lives in a lake association. They pretty much boat year round down there.

There are some bad butt boats down there. It is the NASCAR racers playground. I thought I saw some toys here on the big lake. You should the babies they have down there!

They have the biggest rafting party ever! Spreading from one end of the lake to the other!

OCD maybe you can do a preseason test in NC. I'm sure sis would not mind a couple of boaters for a weekend.

Not a bad idea.. how far out of richmond is that?

Sounds good, I believe that "less is more" at times when it comes to paint on a boat, esp. if it's a nice boat with nice lines like the AT's.

And if you need / want any help with the mechanical stuff - rigging, etc... let me know - be happy to help. I always seem to be doing something to my boats, I just enjoy the work and doing it myself, that way I know it has been done right and the process behind it. I had bought a brand new (factory order) Formula back in 2000, had Lingenfelter power in it, I spent about 50 hours on the boat before I took it out the first time. I pulled the dash panel and all the gauges, repainted the panel, added / replaced gauges, mechanical indicators, etc... It came out nice - then sold it to a guy on L. Tahoe a year later.

This is what you have to look forward to with your little guy, this is my son a couple summers ago at 2 1/2 y.o. - he's 4 1/ 2 now and loves being out on the water!

You can try - but not sure that'll happen, but... I never say never! ;)

About 4 hrs and 15 mins down I-85. You can meet me there and we can bring the boat back up here together.

With the GPS, I didn't have much use for the speedo anymore. That was a good thing, because my "seasoned" mechanic didn't hook up the cable after they aligned the drive.

OCD, I've heard that the 28 AT is pretty darn competent in big water. From what I've heard about Lake Norman, that would be an interesting test. There are a few larger boats, say 33, that have great headroom in the cabin, 6' and as high as 6'7. That would make for a great dual purpose boat as well.

I've heard there's definite interest in adding more diesel power to models as well. The increase in mileage is extraordinary.

I think I here OCD screaming as BH twists on his arm!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess can understand the desire of those who want to boat at unlimited speeds to see this stuff stifled. It is pretty devastating to see how many high-speed boating collisions we have every year and how many people usually die in them. I can see why some want to keep me limited to five posts per day so information like this is not seen. But I can’t understand the argument that this is less relevant in a Speed Limit thread than someone’s new prop.

FIVE dead and nine injured when this guy “slammed into a docked tug boat”; http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stori...-crash-041309/

I can hear him scream as well. :laugh:

I experimented with props both last year and this year. Last year was with a 21" Rev 4, which proved to be too large. This year, I tried a 21" Laser II, which is still on the boat.

The stock prop was a 21" Black Max aluminum. So far, the Laser II has dropped RPM's by about 400, and the speed is down as well. Since this summer was somewhat time-challenged on the water, I didn't have the opportunity to do more scientific testing, eliminating other variables, and doing a head to head alum/SS test under identical conditions.

I will say one thing about the Laser, it was far more efficient than the aluminum blade, and gave the boat better steering control, and much better cruising attitude.

Not sure who is being stifled here. People are choosing to ignore you on their own.
And from the article, I am not sure where this accident is directly related to speed:
"Joy Hill, spokeswoman for the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, said investigators are looking at several factors including speed, capacity of the boat, lighting and whether people were drinking".

Of course there are horrible boating accidents that happen all across our country. No one here has disputed that. But the relevance of these accidents, especially those accidents which were not directly related to excessive speed (in excess of 45/25), is being disputed.

Wow I step away for a little while and everyone comes online..

Lets see:

Dothemath: Yes please if I can take you up on the offer.. Whatever I can't get done in VA, perhaps you could give me a hand? That would be awesome. I also would love to do the work myself but I am timid to do anything because I do not have the experience. I have friends that work on cars and such but again I would prefer someone with marine experience. So if you are really up for it that would be GREAT! Also, I just can't wait to have my son at the wheel. Only good times to come! As far as jammin on the james.. Seriously, if you go once you will never stop. It has become a yearly family tradition. It is set up so well and the people are so helpful. Let me know if you need details for I am very good friends with the organizers (actually one of them is doing the rebuild)

BH: I seriously would love to head down that way. I have friends who are there... It will really all depend on when I go to get her next spring and if she has been tested. If she has been then I might just take you up on that. If not I may have to do the testing on the James river with the mechanic. But I will definately keep that in mind. I am sure we will have some good times next season regardless of where.

VTsteve: The 28 has incredible room. If you look at the AT its cockpit depth is about 1-2 feet greater then most any other brands. Reason being is its top goes as high up as the windshield on other different models so the bow is higher to begin with. This is why there is so much headroom on the A/T's. Not to mention the extreme Deep hull. This allows for it to crush waves like a 30 ft (insert other brand here) ;) . Like I said whenever you want to check her out I am up for it! Just ask Kracken, he's seen her in person.

APS: you mentioned this thread in a different thread:confused: but to bring the conversation back to the proper thread: again this was originally in the boating section, it was moved when the discussion went off on a tagent. I do not have the ability to move it back. It is fine here for this way the discussion, if it does get off subject again on SL (due to the type of boat I have) is fine. You can take off your law enforcement badge now.
As for my engine being abused. Please tell me where you got that data? I had a professional survey done and know the previous owners. They are maticulous with their servicing. So if you know now of why my engine (that you have never seen or have experience with) has issues please enlighten us all. That would be a wonderful talent that you should share with not only me but the world. A man able to diagnoss engine failure without running a test or seeing it.
As far as the polling goes, the compromise poll was the first poll made. Then it was argued "by supporters" that if we had a poll that was "one way or the other" that the result would be entirely different..... Well that didnt happen so now lets attack the poll??? :confused:
As far as having my boat painted and fixed in VA, how do you know I didn't solicit people in the lakes region. Fact is I did and was told by many different marinas around the lake that they couldn't handle the job. Do you think I wanted to tow a boat 12 hours straight? taking time off work? risking damage to the boat on such a long tow? Think will you before you speak. If you also search my threads: I have asked if their was any specialized painters in the lakes region. Again there wasn't any that would fit the position.

Anyway, Thank you everyone for the help and suggestions on the new boat. This website just goes to show what people can accomplish and figure out if issues are brought to light. I really do appreciate all the help. Please keep the ideas coming.

cheers!!

Forget it chip it won't register with him. He is lost in his own little world. Facts do not apply in this fantasy land. Only painting this picture of horror and tragedy that has absolutely nothing to do with reality. I for one am enjoying the show. He reinforces the stereotype of the typical SL supporter with every post. Fear and scare tactics, facts need not apply.

Absolutely - once you get it back, figure out what's left and we'll tackle it. If you can get any preliminary info (before you get it back) on what holes in the dash you'll want to fill /add to etc, that will be good for planning purposes. I've got a bunch of tools, (rotary cutters, etc...) so don't buy anything like that, I'm sure I have just about anything we'd need. As for Jammin' - I'll think about, I know it's a good run - it's just a logistical / timing thing.

Now we get to wait out the winter - it's gonna be looooong I'm betting! ;)

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I can't take anymore, I am going to sleep. Shake me if anything changes :D

Let's Attack the Poll...
 

No kidding! I should have entered this discussion from day-1, but it reads :yawn: like the chatroom at :yawn: SOS. :yawn: :yawn:

:cool: Things picked up about 2005, when SOS noticed that a whole lot of subscribers were dying in Poker Run collisions—(plus making victims of a few of those other boaters of no great consequence). The SOS forums disappeared into smoke-filled chatrooms—hidden from view by us "ordinary boaters".

Not only that, but isn't the owner in the demographic age category of "highest-risk"—like Erika? :eek:

That was in Australia: I guess the owner never had a chance to vote in any of OCD's poll(s). :rolleye1:

I guess you missed the nine that died colliding with an anchored barge near my former home—this June. :(

Please: Have that—and any other hormonal or chemical stimulations—away from the lake. Wait a minute! You can get an Adrenalin rush in any sailboat off Rattlesnake Island! :eek: :rolleye1:

Those accounts will eventually disappear from the Internet: make hard copies. You can duplicate them as you discuss these collisions with legislators concerned about drunk and reckless boating. (Unless a Citizen headline makes a meeting moot, that is). :rolleye1:

When used as "blinders" by a cult, it's not in the spirit of free exchange of ideas—but you knew that already. :(

It's a "Vanity".

(Meaning, a vain exercise, sometimes with only one contributor).

BTW: Don opened the "Donate" button open months ago: I suggest everybody here—particularly all contributors at these Anti-Speed-Limit threads. (That's where oversized photos of oversized boats (and overlong mutual-admiration of each other's—whatevers) has been using up bandwidth all season.

Except for weather and wakes, sailing has no death-dealing controversies to keep the pot stirred. Too many sailing fatalities are produced as a result of the overextended throttles of their two- and three-engined ocean-racers who speed across inland lakes without considering other boaters.

Please. Two headlines in recent memory are enough. :(

Finally, some good news!

Please ask somebody at Lake Norman how many survived the Baja that launched from Lake Norman, jumped the guard rail onto I-75, and hit a truck!
I never saw a followup, and elchase will want to have a printout. :rolleye2:

Has The Cult been reading the warnings and disclaimers on the newest PFDs? :eek: (Don may have a copy of the exact wording).

:rolleye2: Right here:

You got 12 hours out of the engine, and don't consider that abuse? :confused:

OK. :) :)

The most accurate poll could have been answered in one week—an option available to you that wasn't used. In that time, the majority of Winnipesaukee.com forum users (ONLY!) could have voted in that poll.

"Word" gets out to SOS and dozens of SpeedFreak websites, and the voting goes on and on and on. One of your cult can even be read complaining to a sympathetic Volkswagen website! :eek2:

The boat? Discounting the risk of injury to others?

Seems to be the trend. :rolleye1:

Sorry that no skilled New Hampshire workers could meet your demands: a 1½ hour drive through NH probably took you past someone who could have used the work. (Not that I'd ask for altruism during a period of high unemployment). A 12-hour drive probably took you past a hundred willing workers. :(

I don't "get" the need to paint gelcoat in the first place: it's like painting aluminum canoes—and only FLL does that!

Winter Activities
 

After the boat is put away, I usually hike until the snow flys. Then head for the hills for skiing. I have a sled but only use in when the gang says 'Let's go!' I am a Winnilaker. A bunch of folks who like to raft together and sled together. We have an annual rafting party of Badger Island every year and an annual ski/sled party up at the Beacon in Lincoln. I keep myself busy year round. I get bored easy. Anyone is welcome to join the WinniLakers. A fun group.

Nice to have a weekend get together
 

Not sure where everyone lives. We can pick a place within easy drive to go. A little bit of a family place in case one has to bring the family. I'm suggesting Heat (JT BBQ) up at the Weirs. Close to Meredith as well as the Weirs. It is not crowded and there is no music to drown out the conversation. Any suggestion?

Did you use it??
 

Did you use the donate button? You are using more BW than anyone else on this forum by "parsing" text and attaching that silly image to everyone of your posts

BTW: I used the donate button.

You don't need to get why anyone does anything or chooses where to have work done- see, this is a free country and we are still allowed to do pretty much as we please with the things that we have worked hard to earn. I sent the heads from my 70 Olds 455 to California to be ported and polished by a guy named Joe Mondello. Perhaps I could have found a local shop to have the same thing done, but Joe is the guru and I felt it was worth the shipping$$.

Abuse? There isn't a motor built in this country that can't run at WOT for 12 hours- obviously some component was weak and gave up the fight. What if it were a sailboat that you bought used and a sail ripped- would that be abuse??

I don't use the ignore button, but when some JA floods the forum with stories that don't even back up his point, I become tempted.

You on the lake today?? I was and didn't see a single sailboat out there especially one with someone wearing a hat with 2 Nat King Cole CDs glued to it.

It's amazing how you had to search world wide for a few storys and some weren't that fast anyway. Now lets hear some stories about speed that don't kill.
Oh, thats right, nobody speaks of those:rolleye2:

Can't find any recent high speed boating accidents on Winnipesaukee to report...oh yeah, that's because we've been basking under the protection of a speed limit.

They should consider a boating speed limit in VA, where accidents are on the rise. I guess "education" and "enforcement of existing laws" didn't do the trick for them either;
http://norfolk.injuryboard.com/misce...oogleid=270684

HA HA HA HA HA HA :laugh::laugh::laugh:
Best ever! The best post ever by elchase.

Thanks for the morning laugh!

Originally posted by Elchase
I think he got his Masters Degree in revisionist history in college! :laugh:

will all depend on when... I would be willing to have it at my place.... Get the gang of 8 together.. Although, I don't even know who makes up that gang..

Sunset is welcome as well. Very spirited night.. actually could be fun...

I was actually hoping that there might be a winter party for winni.com members.. any idea if they have ever done that? Mount might be tough.. LOL

This looks like a similar 38' performance boat that flipped in MD "traveling at a high rate of speed" with four persons onboard. All four individuals were ejected from the vessel, but ONLY one died. Wonder what kind of prop he had;
http://www.stmarystoday.com/News/Hig...nPatuxent.html

Forumfest is once a year.
 

As most people here are summer residents.

If there are only going to be 8 of us, we can rotate the meetings among the 8 homes. :rolleye2:

SOTD and APS will be the highlight of the party! I'm sure they will be civil. :emb:

I will be on Lake Norman for a few weeks in Nov., Dec. time frame. I will be spending Thanksgiving with my sister in Mooresville. :D

If everyone sleds or skis in the winter we can get together for a day of fun this winter. :cool:

Why?
 

Does it make you feel good to post images like this? Probably one of the images was taken with the Tattle Tale switch being on. But why post it in the first place?

I really don't think that you are mature enough to pilot a boat with the potential of reaching speeds over 45 MPH.

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How about "high speed boating accidents" on Winnipesaukee that happened BEFORE we were basking under the protection of a speed limit (which was implemented on January 1, 2009)??

I agree completely. It is completely immature to post a picture showing what his prized possesion is capable of. :confused:

Those images aren't showing what his prized possesion is capable of, but what it might just be actually doing.
I think you know what I'm getting at but you just have put your own spin on it.
It just seems immature to post such images about how fast he was going at sometime during the operation of the boat...and if he wasn't on any Lake or Pond in NH doing that speed, why dosen't he just say so.
I don't get it :confused:

How do you know those were taken on the lake? If you read back you will see this was not supposed to be turned into a speed limit thread. It was posted in the boating sections at the beginning of the year before the speed limits were being discussed. It went off on a tangent and ended up here.

As for posting pictures it was in the discussion about the boat itself and I can see the relevance.

As for your beliving I am not mature enough?? Personal attacks will get you no where on here. keep it civil....

Sam, while I generally enjoy your posts I feel like you are being a bit harsh here? Why? Why are you calling another forum members maturity into question in reference to a photo of a Speedometer? The title of this thead is "New Boat... See tyou out there." The originator of the forum was excited and proud of his new toy. So he subsequently posts various photos and now his maturity is called into question. :confused:

Look it's one thing not to understand someone's passion. Harley Riders like loud pipes, Snowmobilers like zipping across the lake, Ice-Fisherman like to stand out in the freezing cold with string on a hook, Sky Divers like to dive out of prerfectly good working planes??? :eek:
What I don't like or agree with is when people on this forum start bashing those individuals that enjoy doing things that they don't understand.

Everyone wants to ban everyone else's activity because THEY don't enjoy it. This usually falls under the "Well it is offensive to me and it prohibits ME from enjoying MY activities." I can't stand this NIMBY pansy new American attitude.

Sorry Sam this entire post wasn't directed at you. I ended up going off on a rant! :laugh:

Yeap. Been there before. I've been driving performance boats since I was seven. My Dad had wooden hydroplanes back then. My Dad skippered the Miss Winnipesaukee after WWII. We had many performance boats. My favorite was the Hydrostream Viper with a merc 150SS with cleavers. That boat was a handfull!

In 2001, I had the opportunity to go to the Cigarette 'Top Gun' school. That was the most rewarding experience in my life! To be able to work and be trained by professional performance drivers. Their primary goal is SAFETY.

No doubt, I probably logged more boating time in my life than 99% of the folks on the forum. Except maybe ELChase who claimed to put over 1000 hours on a boat in a summer.

Yet, I have been told by SL supporters that I lack the ability to handle these babies and that I am a cowboy. I have never had a moving violation ticket on the water. Nor have I ever been in a collision on the water. My insurance company reward me with the cheapest rate that I know.

I have seen the MP having trouble at speed. I remember the time when one of the MP ran over a small whaler in Alton Bay. And the MPO was put on administrative leave and eventually quit.

Be careful who you call immature!

Then why make comments about hats that won't fly off because "I bought a set of head wraps for that reason... (already lost one in Long Island sound test driving her:eek:)"
Also other comments about how fast he might be going in the broads and then post an image that he was going 86 MPH somewhere.

Maybe it's me but I think it's immature to add comments like this when the reason for starting this thread was to show us his new boat and some of it's fancy features.

I am closer to 70 in age than I am to 60 so I have been around and could build or repair any engine that might go into a boat.

I'll stay out of this thread because I don't think that anyone reads what I am trying say anyway.

Below are the posts that (I think anyway) don't belong here.

Umm, are you insinuating something by this post or just checking to make sure that I am keeping my son safe? If it's the former - spill it! If it's the latter - yeah, I make sure that he is more than safe and protected. And FTR - that pic was taken at about 25 mph, on a TUESDAY when the lake was F&C and there was next to no traffic. And my boat (that particular boat) was capable of well over the 25 mph we were doing, so it was a very controlled and stable ride! Was I "breaking the rules" there - yep, sure was... Do I loose sleep over that? Nope, not a minute - my Dad did it with me, and I have been told I turned out ok. So my son will get the same opportunities - and then some - to see what boating is all about, while having fun AND being safe and responsible! Start 'em young and it can only benefit him and everyone around him.

Don't even TELL me that APS is on a crusade to rid the lake of us irresponsible parents who let our kids sit on our laps and "drive" the boat.

Seriously though I have absolutlely had it and this one will throw me over the edge. Lets legislate the fun out of life now shall we. Perhaps George Orwell was correct in his vision of the future. Emotion is frivilous and unproductive. We should teach our children early on what kind of life these people are shaping for them. Sit down, be quiet and above all do not have fun and sit on Daddy's lap while he is driving. The APS' of the world cluck their tongues and shake their heads, tsk tsk, that is unsafe behavior. How Sad.

I'm going to go with "reaching" - I could be wrong, but even APS seems more sensible than that... :rolleye2:

25ft. Sunsation with blackhawk lower unit should go 100+..

Actually
 

The Photographs are of EXCELLENT quality....Maybe even like ... High Def. What do you think ..?? :D NB

Age has nothing to do with it
 

Hey Don, you hired another moderator.

Sir, your age has nothing to do with maturity. Frankly, your recent posts have been immature (I think anyway).

Finally, your age has nothing to do with being able to build a motor. My 72 year old father doesn't know an open end wrench from a socket but I have been tearing motors down since I was 12 years old.

Don't worry, people know what you are trying to say- it is how you waded in to say it.