Not that simple. SOME MP are baiting people. Potentially engaging in illegal behavior "entrapment." Also read the thread about Speeding and the post where one person was pulled over for doing 18MPH and told they were gauged at going 35MPH by the MP officer.

I'm all for supporting the MP but my observations of the actions of SOME of the MP officers have been less than professional. I know it is not ALL of the officers and I know we absolutely need them. I also believe it is well within our rights to complain about these incidents. Before you say it I will tell you that I have emailed and phoned in these complaints to the MP. I have even encouraged MP to read this board and emailed the link. MP Officers could sift through these posts and learn a lot IMO. Obviously some posts need to be taken with a grain of salt but there are far too many similar stories to be dismissed as mere coincidence.

I for one expect better from the MP than the stories relayed here. I have said it before and I'll say it again. We need them and for the most part they do a good job. I wish it were as simple as you stated winnipesaukeenh "to all of the people complaining about being pulled over, stop breaking the law. " but it isn't.

I'm very confused about the contradictions around this forum. In some threads, people complain about the omnipresence of the MP. In others, they complain about their lack of visibility. In some threads, people complain that new laws are not causing them to change their ways or are actually causing them to boat more daringly. In other threads, the same people are complaining about the overbearing enforcement that is forcing them to slow down. Seems it's true that you can not please everyone and that no two people see the same thing the same way. All I know is that I have been able to get out in my sail boat much more often this year...even on weekends. And the fishing has been so much more enjoyable for my son and me, even into the late morning. And I've actually taken my wife and parents out to breakfast and dinner in the power boat a few times this year, even cutting across the Broads. All things that we could not do or enjoy in past years, because (for me at least) boating is so much slower, quieter, and more civilized this year. Perhaps that is the result of the MP "baiting" boaters, the high price of gas, or the bad economy. But certainly the new laws have also been a part, no matter what some people are saying here. By and large, people tend to obey the law, even if they grumble about having to do so, and that seems to be what we have been seeing this year. It's just my opinion, but there seems to be a disgruntled underbelly that will always try to sabotage anything they disagree with. You'll see the same poster in one thread saying the slowing down of boating is hurting the shoreline or economy, then in the next thread saying it is not having any effect. Meanwhile, those of us who have no need to speed about are enjoying this lack of effect while it lasts.

The vast majority of posts complaining about a lack of presence or enforcement, including my own, had to do with the Captain B's of the world. I don't think anyone complained that people weren't being stopped willy nilly for no reason at all, nor did anyone hope the MP's would intentionally entrap boaters to see if they could force them to violate the law. So while your points make for great stories, they don't seem to have any bearing on the facts.

The reason you're seemingly enjoying yourself this summer has far more to do with the nasty weather and the economy than anything else you perceive. I read reports of slow activity on lakes around the country, with very few exceptions, for those very reasons. Lots of people out of work now, and the last thing on their minds is boating.

Lake Champlain is practically abandoned this year, except for the semi-usual activity in the bay. We have no speed limits at all, and quite a bit more space to roam free than on Winni. Just hasn't been a problem.

Nobody's complained about the law really, and nobody's complained about being stopped if they were speeding, or doing something else wrong. If you can find an instance on these boards this year where people do not have legitimate gripes, particularly the recent threads you point to, please feel free to point them out.

There's always a disgruntled underbelly of people that will perceive most anything to be true about things they don't agree with. In general, most people do obey the law. In general, the vast majority of people that appear to be disgruntled with their encounters with the MP have done nothing wrong.

I think its like this on most lakes. Seem a shame to see the "control factor" get out of hand on such a nice large lake as Winnipesaukee. As a newbie on Winnipesaukee riding PWC's the wife and I found out real fast about the 150ft thing and "boating lisense" I say, down south we dont need no stinkin lisense :D In our case the MP officer asked us where we were staying, told us to go to Trexler's like right now and take the test and gave us a bag of info on NH laws and sent us on. I have never been treated that nice on our home lake when pulled over for not breaking any laws.

On our home lake 150 ft would lock it down. To close is when the spray from the other boat hits you or there kid bumps off you on one of those insepid toobs. The MP's spend the days at marinas busting PWC'c and go fast's for moving foward at any speed in a no wake area. A 30 ft day cruiser dragging a tube in circles 20 ft from anything and in 10 ft of water is OK.

I should post pics.... You guys have a awesome lake to play on! We covered every inch of it on our skis and have a new respect for "real" rough water, rock navigation, and our GPS LOL! Hope to get up again soon.

Wish there was a "Thanks" button but there isn't so I will say that this was very well stated. Thanks VT.

I just hate BS, which seems to be in abundance lately. This isn't Washington DC where generalized innuendo and false statements seems to spew from an endless ocean of BS.

You can always tell when someone has no argument, no answers, and no position based on facts at all. They use diversion as a first course, attacks on the poster is another favorite, and when all else fails, just make it up. These tactics work very well in DC, because both sides feel the need for a team win.

Case in point, if police on the roads engaged in the activities that the MP's have been described doing on the lake this summer, there's hardly anyone that wouldn't be going nuts about it. Every citizen has the right to be outraged over any behavior by a LEO that is rude, arrogant, dangerous, intimidating, or even unsafe, illegal, and a means of entrapment. It could very well be that the boys back at headquarters have been reading these threads, as I directly suggested they do.

I defy anyone to go back through any of the more contentious threads, or this year's more civil discussions, and point to anyone that has disparaged LEO's, or whined about them doing their duty. If anything, many of us were calling for more active enforcement of the laws on the books which are broken routinely. If the MP's on the lake at any given time (weekends), were solely to stop boaters that were engaging in unsafe and illegal activity, they wouldn't have any time left to engage in childish behavior that benefits no one.

I can only hope that some of the more disingenuous posters experience some of these MP's being discussed up close and personal. Almost to a person, those complaining about the actions of the MP this year are people that not wild, crazy or dangerous boaters IMO. These people use facts in their posts, and do not pop up out of thin air with a new posting name to spout some nonsense. Most are boaters that either can't exceed the speed limit, or very rarely have on the water. I might also add that I haven't read a post yet where someone has actually been stopped for breaking the law, and has come online to complain about it. If I've missed any, sorry for being remiss.

Again,like HN I wish there were a "thank you" button.

glad to hear you guys made it up, are you still here?

Good post Vtsteve
 

You are correct on all of the above. That is why I refrain from visiting this site very often.
Almost anything can be said no matter how hurtful it is, all the while the poster can hide behind a screen name preventing anyone from knowing who they are.
Cowardly? U be the judge.
You know many of those posting such harsh responses are in fact themselves hypocrites. I’ll bet many of them do exactly what they oppose on the lake each time they get behind the wheel of a car bike or snowmobile.
The worst part is if you monitor the postings you eventually get dragged into it and start responding to the banter in the same way. At one time I did.

Nah, back to the grind. Rained every single day but one. Did not even have any bats to slay in the house this year...We did ride the skis from Lees Hill across the broads to the other side of Rattlesnake to see the wife's faimilys old place but that was about it. Rode around and hit Weirs, Pops,a few of the wifes old haunts and the new Waldos that everybody in the eats section seems to hate. For some reason I thought you were working down south, you home now?

It's "Too Complicated"...
 

One poster came here to say he wasn't cited for speeding by the MPs. (In Tuftonboro Bay).

The only fine I can recall of a lakefront resident (a neighbor) was more than 40 years ago. (No spotter). I never discovered the final result about a second neighbor who, after receiving a ticket for no spotter, proceeded to waterski again behind his Jet-Ski—at night! :eek2: (His Jet-Ski was impounded by the MPs that night).

There's something wrong with perception? :confused:

FYI & BTW...Among the other rules around Winnipesaukee, we have a rule here about "chat". :offtopic:

On my "other" lake, I couldn't miss the odor of a big gasoline spill about 300' away: The owner of the dock made many passes to splash the gasoline off with his Jet-Ski!

It is an awesome lake, and thanks go to the MPs who try to keep it that way. :)

BTW: The most thorough way to "cover every inch of it" is by kayak: Idle speed is a better way to visit this lake, not as a "zip-boat". (IMHO).

1) Placing themselves in harm's way is one way to determine if a multi-offender knows a law exists (or even suspects that a law exists). It also gives the MP an "up-close" chance to see if a suspected offender is deranged, drugged, or drunk.

2) In a crowded situation, how better to halt a "called-in" offender's depredations on other boaters?

(A Complainant is a "10-18" in MP lingo). :cool:

You weren't on Lake Winnipesaukee this past weekend! :eek: I had to quit boating on Sunday due to being beat up by all the wakes, "cross-wakes", and "rogue-wakes"!

On Saturday in the middle of the Broads off Rattlesnake, I watched MP-11 traveling at "flank speed" (about 35-MPH :laugh:). He was overtaken within ~200'—and passed—by a 40-footer going nearly double that speed! Did the lights and siren go on?

Nope. :confused:

Not "HOW do you know", but "how could you POSSIBLY know"? :confused: :confused: :eek2:

We haven't read—as yet—of a single person here being cited (or fined) by the MPs: moreover, we've seen where one denied receiving a ticket, and we've seen where a telephone call to the MP office will get the ticket cancelled! :eek:

Like many lawyers will tell you, some things are just "too-complicated" to understand, right? :rolleye2:

I'll try to be Brief APS :rolleye2:

I think what you're describing on the lake is not a lack of enforcement resources, but a simple lack of enforcement?

I've seen on the boards one complaint in particular, whereby someone did complain about being stopped for speeding when they said they most definitely were not. I have no way of knowing if those are the facts or not. If you think "crowding" is an effective method used by the MP's, what the heck are they doing not giving tickets or at least stopping the boats you say Are violating some law or another?

On average, one weekend day is busy if the weather is good. That's about all we're allotted this summer. Like yourself, I get beat up when all of the cruisers and what nots are out trying to enjoy that one day. I've only been out twice I believe during the week this "summer", but I can attest that my view of the broad lake here all the way to NY state is pretty boatless.

About the only reasons I stay on shore are due to wind or weather.

I can only guess that either the MP was already responding to a more important call and therefore didn't have time to pull over the offending 40-footer OR your estimates of everyone's speed in this scenario are way off.

I wondered that. A 40 footer going almost 70 and the MP boat was doing? He has a radio No? Not enough range?

It would seem the MP's are way too busy to do anything this summer, but they must be doing something on the lake.

The Director's last interview made it sound like the economy and weather had all but silenced boating, except for these precious few days we've had lately with good weather.

10-18 is location. 10-88 is complainant. ;)

http://www.nhscan.com/NH10codes/tabid/172/Default.aspx

10-5 on that! (from one 10-37 to another) :)

Hey all, i came across this forum because i'm considering moving to the area... and frankly this thread and the results from the research it has prompted me to do scares me a bit. I grew up across the street from a large lake in Maine (though pretty small in comparison to Winnipesaukee) and didn't have any of the hassle that seems to go along with new Hampshire boating- cops on water, headway only < 150 ft, 45 mph, 3 hour class + proctored exam to operate a boat over 25 hp?? I thought I was reading wrong when i saw the latter.

This is scary to me for 2 reasons, one that I agree that having cops on water, especially with a reputation for hassling people who are not actually being unsafe would drastically detract from the enjoyment of an afternoon on the lake. In all my years on the water in Maine I was only on a boat once that was stopped, and that was simply a game warden checking for fishing license and the catch on board. I am quite sure there is no marine patrol or equivalent on fresh water.

second, presumably there is a reason why all this is implemented- do you folks have big problems with truly reckless boaters? The most "trouble" that I ever had was an incident or two of jetskiiers using our wake as a playground, and even so they were not at all too close to be dangerous, just a little annoying.

A question I have for you all is are the experiences shared here unique to Winnipesaukee because of its size and people it attracts, or is Marine patrol on all of the area lakes? I don't mean to come off as some fool who wants to tear around the lake- quite the opposite, as i probably would not even have a boat capable of 45 mph and haven't had a moving violation on pavement in my life- but that doesn't mean I like being over-restricted + nervous about what happens if a bulb burns out or I get a little "too close" to an island. One of the main draws of NH for me is it is supposed to be one of the most "free" states in the east.

Also, any links about the area or other words of wisdom for a single 27 year old prospective new resident would also be appreciated. As someone who would be working from home moving to a place with no nearby existing friends, I'm hoping to find an area with ample opportunity to get involved in the community -Scouting, youth sports, church groups, gun club, etc. to keep from turning into a hermit. Feel free to PM me on subjects not appropriate for this thread. Thanks!

Good luck with your search. It's really not the "Dukes of Hazard" situation that these threads make it out to be. Lake Winnipissaukee is like a small community with more than it's fair share of primadonas. Some of them just happen to be water cops. lol.

Haul your boat in for a few visits, or rent one, so you can check out properties from the water. After a couple cruises you'll figure out if it's something to be concernned with. Like any environmental hazard "CB's" and "MPs" are something you learn to live with and mostly avoid.

Good luck!

More like molehill than mountain
 

Don't worry. For the most part I doubt you'd find any hassle from the NHMP. There are some rules, such a those pertaining to "rafting", and the MP's enforcement thereof, that rile people up. For the most part their presence is in the background, unnoticed. The lake is quiet in the weekdays and even on the weekends before July and after August. During the summer there are places and times where the lake gets busy and it seems more like driving in Boston than it does in ... say ... Waterville. Even then for the most part I find the Capt B's to be more rude and inconsiderate than outright reckless. Still nothing compared to boating out of Beverly harbor or out of Newburyport or ....