Say what
 

So when I post anti-HB162 I'm "steamrolling" and when others post pro-HB-162 they're just discussing ? Since you've listed my name specifically I'd like you to bring forth my posts that have ridiculed, insulted or questioned anyone's intelligence. I've tried to be pretty calm in this debate but if I've failed let me know. If you recall we own a 24' Wellcraft non-gofast boat. I've not called for unlimited speed in any discussion of this issue, now or in years past. Lastly if my arguments are "tired" it's partly because I keep having to drag them out to refute that "Littlefield" has any factual bearing on a speed limit.

Fresh air
 

Gee I thought I usually stated my reasons for disagreeing, didn't realize I was being so simplistic. Since you appreciate SM's clarity, I'd like to direct your (and other's) attention to his point about how HB-162 is not about protecting GFBL boaters from themselves. Next time anyone feels like dragging in some single boat accident not involving anyone else, breathe some fresh air instead.

Let's stay on subject;
Did you read that article in the Citizen yesterday about how well the speed limits there are working?
And what do you think of Rep Whalley's attempts to use a noise bill to undermine HB162?

New Jersey: Home of The Boss -- and the Bosses
 

Something was "broke" at Lake George, and it sure was "broke" to the "bunch" at Barnegat Bay.

Lake George is presently "fixed", while New Jersey remains...well...New Jersey. While accidents were going down, fatalities were shooting up: Off the coast, a cruiser running at top speed ran down fishermen in a 20-foot boat. Three brothers died together in their GFBL.

Those were alarming headlines to read about in one season.

But here's the "Marine Mafia" talk that shot down New Jersey's boating speed limit. (New Jersey's restrictive boating-noise laws were the next to fall to monied interests).

Now, what group would be analogous to "New Jersey Boaters' Rights"? The NHRBA?

Isn't NJ "Hi-Performance Marinas" analogous to NH "Whalley's" monied interests?

BTW: "Standing-Watch", and "cfw" are currently devoted to removing speed limits from endangered marine-mammal habitat. :rolleye1:

Since humans aren't endangered, Winnipesaukee only has loons to worry about. :emb: I mean the waterfowl-kind.

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Viva Yo !
 

A single boat accident always involves someone else -- passenger or hapless rescuer. A hapless Laconia rescuer is the most important reason we voted in the anti-"skimming" law of 2005.

You're not concerned for Heidi? ...at DonziRegistry.com?
In disagreeing, I find myself reading reasons that either obfuscate, complicate, or merely "don't compute". I also don't understand defending a "Viva yo" attitude on Winnipesaukee, either. (Viva yo is "HOORAY FOR ME!" noted by author James Michener in Iberia)

Winnipesaukee's quaint 150-foot rule is now obsolete -- made so by "Progress": (Multiple 1100-HP engines, and still counting...).

It's not just horsepower:

It's not illegal to have a DVD screen mounted in the dashboard -- next to the GPS and radar screens, twenty gauges, multiple throttles, trim controls, radio, tilt controls, VHF, and stereo controls. It's not illegal to "drive" using one's feet. You can carry six cases of beer on board (or vodka, the odorless choice of speedboaters). Or, as I pointed out earlier, a shotgun or Beretta. Will these beer-swillers be voting against a speed limit? You can legally mount cruise-control on your boat, for those too-long stretches across the Broads to the Naswa. Until last year, boaters could leave the scene of one's injurious- and death-causing Winnipesaukee collisions -- and not go to prison. You can travel at 150-MPH if you want.

You never cleared up "TUNNEL VISION" -- a concept that no Opponent has acknowledged here.

When a boater races along at 60MPH, there is only one boat on the water. Why? Because his attention is only forward: Instant Captain "B".

You may not have noticed that every photograph I took this summer near krwxcr700 had the "drivers" having to stand and look directly forward. (That is, when they and their passengers could see over the bow at all). Should a smaller boat approach from afar, it will be ignored UNTIL IT GETS TOO CLOSE. This is the "Instant Captain B" concept. Captain "B" is oblivious to the lesser "stand-on" boat and unintentionally fails to acknowledge its importance. It's krwxcr700, you'll recall, who alleges -- to borrow Wordsy's synonym for mendacity -- to have been "buzzed" by speedboaters while fishing.

That's why the 150-foot rule has become obsolete -- and hugely unenforced -- on Lake Winnipesaukee.

Lake George's speed limit is due to never having had a "150-foot rule" to enforce! 'You suppose Lake George boaters viewed 150-MPH boats -- or 4½ ton speedboats -- as a hazard? Should they have instituted a 150-foot rule instead? I don't theenk so....

New Hampshire is now having to play its usual catch-up legislative game.

You don't know you can buy a BMW sedan with 500+ HP off the showroom floor that will do 200-MPH? ...On American roads? Or that Mercedes offered a 600-HP sedan this year in response? At least Porsche offers driving schools for Americans who buy Porsches: Porsches, which are electronically-governed to speed along at "only" 155-MPH. Or that new 115-foot yacht offered today that will do 57-MPH?

On inland protected waters, I call this wretched excess.

****

Here are a few of your arguments -- the first not so much simplistic as self-indulgent:
And I did leave out obfuscatory parts:

or, To this day, I remain confused and unclear on the above quotes, and evermore appreciative of Clarity.

Define working
 

I just did read the article. It said nothing new to me. So how much safer is LG with (vs w/o) the speed limit ? Could the limit be higher and less discriminatory ? As to Whaley's bill ... how could it undermine HB-162 ? I'm told all support for HB-162 comes from people afraid to boat on the lake, not people concerned about noise. Moreover I find it marginally intriguing (though just) that people who question Pilliod's motives based upon his words are chastised while questioning Whalley's motives is OK. The true questions to ask are; is HB-162 good law, is HB-1624 (?) good law.

Mee-n-Mac

I don't know what Rep. Whalley's motives are. I don't know if his method of monitoring noise is an improvement or not.

What I question is the timing. Suddenly this other bill is getting a lot of attention. Its a diversion tactic.

Here we are on a special forum set up just for HB162. Yet in the last days before a vote on HB162, we are taking about a noise limit bill.

If you can't win the argument, then change the subject. And the opposition can't win the argument.

Island Lover...

It was Fat Jack, a Pro HB-162 person who originally brought up Rep. Whalley and questioned his motives in regards to the newly proposed noise bill in another thread. It was not Mee-n-Mac.

Woodsy

Here's Team Jefe at Winnipesaukee:

OK to quote deleted posts?

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APS...

How is that post fron Jefe an issue? He didn't do anything inherently unsafe.
Do explain?

Woodsy

Slamming? Booming?
 

Maybe it's because here's no slamming or booming on my boats. That quote falls into the category: "Hold muh beer, 'n watch this".

Perhaps "slamming" and Booming" should have been seen in the context of this following Winnipesaukee activity at the Donzi Registry:

Beverage cans?

Doesn't everybody say "beverage" cans?
:rolleye2:


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APS,

Noticed this in your signature, If you believe this about a fundemental rule that effects all powerboaters, then how can a speed limit be enforced? Inquiring minds want to know .... :confused:

Don't be "Road Kill..."
 

We've already read that some speedboaters intend to break the new law, regardless.
We've already read that Director Barrett may—or may not—enforce the law.

That doesn't mean laws should not be enacted.

The neighborhood that enacted this speed limit [picture below] now lives a quiet, safe, and laid-back existence. The community is an area greater than 18 square miles and has over 100 miles of 2-lane blacktop roads whose speeds are controlled by this blanket speed limit: 25-MPH.

Dump trucks there, however:
1) ignore, even double, the speed limit to haul gravel within this same community.
2) because of their political clout, are "effectively immune" to local police control.
3) will fill your rear-view mirror with their grill should you obey the law.
4) are responsible for most of the prior fatalities.

The speed limit has won wide residential support—and the usual noisy and well-funded detractors. (The gravel pit industry and dump truck industry are among the detractors).

Supporters carry bumper stickers to exhort violators to "Observe the Limit—or Leave". (And, fortunately, are laid-back enough not to give the "Winnipesaukee Salute", so often mentioned at the GFBL forums).

A huge state roadside sign leading to the community reads, in part, "Speed Kills".

The effort wasn't to save the lives of school children; in fact, the locals can only tell you that they've had tangible results—certainly more spectacular results than Lake George's speed limit, for sure.

The point: Even with law enforcement's blind eye, residents love the new speed limit, and the mostly-outsider "Monied Interests" hate it. Sorta like HB162!

Demanding minds don't know.

They just want it THEIR way , right or wrong necessary or not , enforcable or not. They are more than willing to give up another freedom that someone else (not they) enjoy. Just be careful what you wish for. One thing leads to another and can come back to bite YOU in the :) :) :)

APS...

Jefe does not drink. Those were soda cans and empty bottled water containers. You are trying to make something out of nothing. I am sure you can find plenty of other examples where people were actually consuming alcoholic beverages.

The Donzi Poker Run that year was run during on a grey rainy day with some rough water. There were quite a few small boats, Donzi 18 & 22 Classics to be exact that got bounced around quite a bit. The NHMP shadowed the run in its entirety with one of thier RIBs. There were no 150' violations or any tickets issued by the NHMP.

Woodsy

"Cover" for non-drinkers, Hypocrites, and Cowboys...
 

I'm impressed! My own recollections about such things usually only go back a day or two -- certainly not back to 2004. "Jefe" goes on to say:
As I imbibe infrequently, I've never paid "cover" nor "strolled right past" anybody! Still, I wonder about those who would treat others near—or on—Winnipesaukee with such disdain.

And WHO would restrict boat type?
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=42619
("Guess-who?" favors a limit on a boat-type)?

On Winnipesaukee, Donzi GFBLs call themselves "The Donzi Bandits", right? (Not Cowboys, Heaven forbid) :rolleye1: These might be instructive:

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=51030
("What's so wrong with a cold beer?")
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=45526
("Can't keep 150-foot separation")
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=42597
("Marine Patrol - Help Us")
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=41878
(Cigs do donuts 50' off dock)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29427
(Won't keep cowboys from buzzing your dock).
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=13622
("Donzis racing one another").
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=42593
(July, 2002: "Some day someone will die...due to cowboys...")http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=41838
(Donzi throws big wake returning to his buddies)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=27707
(Cigarette boat loses its transom in the Broads.)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=27452
(Bearmeister says [Cig] speed kills—in 2001!)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=27486
(Why you guys are your own worst enemy).
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29835
(FLL nails it 365 days before 2002 fatality-causer is nailed himself)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29720
(Reckless operation tears off outdrive of 28' "Noise boat")
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=28163
(Why you guys are your own worst enemy — II)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=45395
(Hobie girls passed by 110-MPH Tunnel-Hull)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=45480
(Throttleman agrees with my speed estimate, above)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=43992
(M-n-M sees GFBL sunk suggests alcohol, not H2O)
http://www4.citizen.com/news2002/aug...e_0830a_02.asp
(2002 fatal crash by Citizen shows "Not Found -- 404 Error" today)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=41958
(FLL "thinks small" on weight, horsepower, speed, and decibels)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=41958
(Baja Bob lectures forum on ROW -- wrongly)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=62808
(New Hampshire boating safety stats nearly as bad as Washington state's)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=42585
(Aquadeziac, upset BEFORE Winnipesaukee's worst collision).
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29832
(43-footer "Black Thunder" sinks in Broads)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=57570
(Fountain flips and crashes in Broads) Restrict them from The Broads?
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29832
(Speedboat gets stuck between trees—in Wolfeboro)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=63437
(Cigarette enters cottage—three killed—at night)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=11075
(Why you guys are your own worst enemy—III)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=11235
(Why you guys are your own worst enemy—IV)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=11119
(Why you guys are your own worst enemy—V)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=11286
(Why you guys are your own worst enemy—VI)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=19327
(A Poker Run Is Not a Race—II)

What year? This post says that you have it all wrong: http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29072
(Donzis run from the Marine Patrol).

Finally: Things should return to normal after HB162 achieves history: We forget about the importance of well-advised laws. Here's an "Olde Forum" nugget:


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APS...

Wow... so now it gets personal.... I am actually pretty surprised! I really expected better from you. Too bad you actually stooped to this level. I guess I am not perfect like you Rob. I don't partake of personal attacks and mudslinging.

I am sorry to hear your recollections don't go back that far. I participated in the 2004 Donzi Poker Run as a guest on Jefe's boat. He towed that boat all the way from Houston, Texas just to boat on Lake Winni. There were absolutely NO ALCOHOLIC beverages of any kind on that boat. The MP's did shadow us the entire run in 2004, nobody was pulled over for any violations. Of course you wouldn't know because you weren't there. Though I suspect you were glued to the police scanner.

As far as the quote that you (politely) deleted my name from. Its ok as I have nothing to hide. The owners of the establishments that Jefe wrote about are friends of mine. I frequent the establishments in the Weirs year round and I spend my money there year round. I am considered to be a local, so in the summer when there is a line out the door to get in I usually stroll right past.

I fail to see how that is a disdain for others? It no different than frequent flyer miles or first class upgrades that the airlines give to thier best customers to show appreciation for thier business!

If you feel the need to go back 5 years to 2001 to find an old post, so be it. As far as my post about big cruisers, I stand by it. I haven't flip-flopped at all. I personally don't like the wakes generated by some of these behemoths. It because of those wakes I sold my 22' Donzi and and purchased a larger 26' Donzi. I respect thier choice to buy a big cruiser even if I don't like it. They (and the wakes they generate) will be the next target of choice to be sure.

As far as the Donzi Bandits nickname you brought up. Let me give you a bit of history. Its actually the Winni Bandits, not Donzi Bandits, and we are comprised of a bunch of friends. The name is tounge in cheek, similar to the nickname my parents gave my bunch of friends when I was growing up. It was given to us by a friend of mine from Michigan, when 5 of us trailered our boats from Lake Winnipesaukee to Lake Cumberland in KY. I guess in todays world you have to expect the small minded to take things in a literal sense and out of context.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=51030
Post Date 2003
You actually quoted a boater who spoke truthfully about a "handful of cowboys" I interpret that quote to mean a small number of people. Anyway, we no longer use the term "Cowboy" on the Winni forum anymore as it is no longer Politically Correct (PC). I think Don got a letter from some guys out west who threatened a lawsuit. The term we use now is Capt. Bonehead. I am not defending Baja Bob, however there is nothing wrong with A cold beer (singular)... There is plenty wrong with MANY cold beers (plural). Perhaps we should adopt a zero tolerance policy? At what point do we surrender all personal responsibility to the government?

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=45526 Post Date 2002
This post is about PWC's and Paugus Bay congestion. What does it have to do with HB-162? Oh wait.. they used the word "Cowboy" in thier post!

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=42597
Post Date: 2002
Another post about rude boaters. She used the word "Cowboy" too, although she didn't preface it with GFBL or any other moniker. Of course nowadays driving her little outboard boat into the wake of the Mount would be seriously frowned upon. There is a law against wake jumping now. Yet another post with nothing to do about HB-162.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=41878
Post Date 2002
This post references an incident that occurred a few years prior to 2002. Nothing to do with HB-162, but plenty to do with reckless operation. Oh ya, they use the term "Cowboys" too.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29427
Post Date:2001
Another post using the word "Cowboy". Its in the context of a thread about the lake being crowded. Nothing to do with HB-162, but certainly 150' violations.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=13622
Post Date: 2000
Donzi's racing one another? Now I know you are really reaching! That is such a stretch! This post has nothing to do with Donzi's. It specifically mentions PWC's. (We don't call them Jet Ski's anymore as its not PC either)

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=42593
Post Date:2002
I actually like this post. its a pretty good one. It also uses the word "Cowboy"

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=41838
Post Date:2002
I don't take issue with this post other than it doesn't use the word "Cowboy". The Capt. Bonehead operating this Donzi acted in a rude, inconsiderate and possibly illegal manner. I am sure if we search the archives we can find posts about many different brands of boats with a Capt. Bonehead at the wheel.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29072
Post Date: 2001
I posted my response here at this link...
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/oldforu...mes;read=29092
Actually the whole thread bears reading again. There are several references to different versions of the story. I am sure they all bear some truth.


Woodsy

Actually, permission was given to post the entire "Jefe" post from DonziRegistry.com.

It could not have been linked here in good conscience; moreover, it would not have remained posted here, as this is a family forum.

Wordsy's really been done a favor, and no reference to a real name has been made here.

It's not really a big effort to keep posts non-personal here: Notice the use of "Passive Voice"? One will see very few "I", "my", "you", or "yours", in the replies sent from this keyboard.

Besides, these past weeks have been instructive: Cal, for example, has earned a few notches for well-tempered responses from Cal's keyboard. Contrast those with this collection of Opponent revelations (paraphrased for maximum eye-rolling effect): :rolleye2:

FACT: Radar doesn't work for boats.
FACT: 2002's most experienced boater would not have been affected by a speed limit.
FACT: No accidents involving speed have occurred on Winnipesaukee.
FACT: Horror stories aren't facts.
FACT: Mountainous lakes will echo less noise than flatland lakes.
FACT: Performance boats don't leave wakes.
FACT: NH salesmen won't sell you a boat with switchable exhaust.
FACT: All "Lakers" were noisy.
FACT: The deletion of posts from other sites don't mean anything.
FACT: Occurrences on other lakes are of no consequence.
FACT: Tres Martin's school is too far and expensive for performance boaters.
FACT: "Reasonable and prudent" has been found to be Constitutional.
FACT: Only performance boats will be discriminated against.
FACT: The faster the boat, the better the drivers can hold their liquor.
FACT: Speedboaters are being oppressed.
FACT: A collision at 90 is the same as a collision at 44.9 MPH.
FACT: There aren't enough boats on the lake.
FACT: Common sense will solve the speed problem.
FACT: One of the fastest boaters on Winnipesaukee has not benefited from the newest NWZ.
FACT: A site hosted by a Mass-person cannot be used to criticize out-of-state weekend boaters.
FACT: Nothing written here will influence anybody.
FACT: Records of Lake Winnipesaukee's speed-related crashes are readily available.
FACT: With the speed limit, speedboaters will be stopped from boating altogether.
FACT: Kayaks are the problem, not performance boats.
FACT: Cigarette boats know how to "play together" with other boaters.
FACT: Cabin cruisers are the real problem.
FACT: Winnipesaukee's "Most Experienced Boater for 2002" sped at exactly 28-MPH one night.
FACT: With a speed limit law, there will be fewer boats on the water.
FACT: Laws do not promote safety.
FACT: Elderly boaters are the problem, not speeders.
FACT: OSO has posted all of the collisions that have occurred.
FACT: BWI is a non-speed-related offense.
FACT: All the posts (50) are still there, and not deleted.
FACT: The most unlikely way that you will be killed is by a performance boat.
FACT: Lightning will kill more boaters than speeders will.
FACT: Speedboat sites that censor themselves aren't afraid of the facts.
FACT: Only posts with unsubstantiated or anecdotal evidence are being deleted.
FACT: Driver error or BWI should not be counted in performance boat crashes.
FACT: "NH fishermen will suffer because the Maine, Mass, fisherman do not have to obey speed laws in their states."
FACT: The 150-foot safe passage rule means Winnipesaukee doesn't need a speed limit.
FACT: Lake George has a speed limit, so it doesn't need a safe-passage law.
FACT: High speeds only occur on The Broads -- away from people.
FACT: In trying to reduce a wake, trim tabs will be ripped off,
FACT: "Speed Kills" is a meaningless phrase.
FACT: Director Barrett will not be able to enforce the new law.
FACT: Speed is #4 in accidents; however, reckless operation, inattention, and inexperience don't apply to performance boaters.
FACT: Stupidity is not against the law.
FACT: Emotion should not precipitate law-making.
FACT: Nixon was impeached.
FACT: Fewer vessels were involved in crashes in the category "over 40 MPH" than any other category -- including "not moving".

Finally: Will an "end-run" on HB162 occur in the next day or two? With "facts" like the above, who knows?

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APS,
Don't you worry about me , Don already does , so I can't "go trolling" to start trouble like you seem to enjoy.
All I have to say is , I take your last post as a personal insult , grouping me with all the others. I speak for myself:p

AAA Report on Teen Drivers
 

WASHINGTON Jan 18, 2006 — About one-third of the people killed in automobile crashes involving the nation's youngest drivers were pedestrians or occupants of other vehicles, according to a report released Wednesday.
For the rest of the story...
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/wireStory?id=1516764

Maybe the NH legislature should focus on a real safety issue such as teen drivers (ban them altogether - more safety?), not a fabricated safety issue like the boat speed limits. I'm far less afraid of getting killed by a boat on Winnipesaukee going more than 45MPH than I am of these out of control teen drivers on the streets. Now, if we all went back to horse & buggy days...

APS...

You have tried to use Jefe's post in order to further your own agenda. I take a great offense to that as Jefe is my friend. I don't know how it is where you come from, but where I come from a man stands up for his friends.

As usual, you only tell part of the story and take quotes completely out of context. Your insinuations that the thread cannot be linked here in good conscience is absurd. As I have stated before, I have nothing to hide. Here is the link to the thread over on Donzi.net that contains the adventures of Jefe during the 2004 Donzi Poker Run. For those who are so inclined, its a pretty good (long) read, but nothing outrageous occurred. Just a bunch of friends from all over the country gathered here on Lake Winnipesaukee to have some fun. Jefe does tend to go on a bit much about the pretty girls, but thats Jefe, he likes pretty girls. The part about the "Bumpa Cars" is pretty funny. Too bad you don't know him, because then you would get the real sense of the story.

http://www.donzi.net/forums/showthread.php?t=36923

I have no idea who the other "Woodsy" is. I have a different screen name over on OSO.

Woodsy

If not now, later...
 

Okaaaa-ay, your call.

1) "Money talks?" Sorry, but this crowd comes across as seedy. http://www.donzi.net/forums/showpost...66&postcount=4

2) As for standing up for friends, "Winnipesaukee's Most Exerienced and Most Educated Speedboater for 2002" also had lots of people standing up for their friend. Many unknown to him. Why?

3) That's odd...he reads the same:

:rolleye2:

No matter what happens in the next few days or weeks, it's the headlines that will keep this issue before the Winnipesaukee public.

4) "Safe Passage" isn't getting it done.
5) "Education" was a band-aid, proving marginal.
6) I can name you a scenic lake twice the size of Winnipesaukee that enacted a 10-MPH speed limit—just this year.
7) "Speed"—with or without alcohol—will drive the headlines, and the headlines will drive the Legislature.

If not now, later.