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FlyingScot 04-10-2020 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ApS (Post 331274)
Thinkxingu's active graph suggests that COVID-19 is lately "being discovered", perhaps with a zeal to strengthen a political position.

I take Think's graph as a way of explaining how covid has grown as an actual killer, not just an expected killer. You may remember (haha) a significant number of our penpals asserting that covid is not a big deal because current deaths were low relative to other causes of death at a particular point. As we can see from the graph, that is no longer the case

Doobs41378 04-10-2020 11:23 AM

I saw today that hospitals in NH are seeing a 40% reduction in cardiac arrest cases and they cannot figure out why.

Trail Goer 04-10-2020 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Not to Worry (Post 331105)
This is what wikipedia has to say.

"he Epoch Times is a multi-language newspaper[2] founded in 2000 by John Tang and a group of Chinese Americans associated with the Falun Gong spiritual movement.[3] Though the newspaper is known for general interest topics with a focus on news about China and its human rights issues, it has become known for its support of U.S. President Donald Trump and favorable coverage of far-right politicians in Europe; a 2019 report showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign.[4][5][6][7][8][9][

10][11] The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty Television (NTD).[7] The group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccination propaganda.[7][12][13]"


Assuming your post was a joke?

Yes it was a joke, I don't even get their paper. I thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it. I only know about them because of their stupid adds.

ApS 04-10-2020 04:37 PM

How Can It End?
 
I'm assured by my Primary Care Doctor that WebMD is a trustworthy site.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...l-for-covid-19

A US stem cell treatment is close to resolution.

Newbiesaukee 04-10-2020 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ApS (Post 331384)
I'm assured by my Primary Care Doctor that WebMD is a trustworthy site.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...l-for-covid-19

A US stem cell treatment is close to resolution.

WebMD is a reliable site. A drug company received FDA a approval for an initial trial of stem cell therapy. There are hundreds of therapies being tried around the world. No strong reason not to try stem cell therapy but not much reason to expect it to work.

FlyingScot 04-11-2020 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ApS (Post 331384)
I'm assured by my Primary Care Doctor that WebMD is a trustworthy site.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/2020...l-for-covid-19

A US stem cell treatment is close to resolution.

Maxum may know the correct numbers, but the number of Phase I candidates that makes it to FDA approval is less than 10%

MAXUM 04-11-2020 11:42 AM

I don't have exact numbers on this - even if I did and could disclose them it would be from the context of the trials that are run by my employer which are a fraction of what drugs are currently under development at any time. In fact we specialize in the oncology space as a general rule. There is specific genetic experimentation going on right now in cancer treatments that may prove useful in many other areas including antivirals such as COVID. Those are actively being looked at.

That said, I do know that the entire process from start to finish is extremely long and drawn out, and the number of drugs that actually make it through the entire process is very low - I'd say less than 5% based on my observation. Thing is while so many may fail, coming out of those failures is new treatments that are tweaks or reformulations of a prior study. Most people don't realize that it takes a lot of time and expense to get drugs out there with relative confidence they are safe and behave as expected. We have some trials that are 15+ years in and still not approved. Most average about 10 years.

What does help ALOT is that we conduct trials all over the world and it is really helpful to do this work in countries where the regulations are far less stringent, as that data can be aggregated in and helps with the FDA approval process in the US.

As a general rule the FDA is a pain to deal with and arguably some aspects of approval to move a drug forward through the development process are overly cumbersome and frustrating to deal with at the same time there is a lot at stake considering people could and in some cases have died taking experimental drugs. How do you really weigh being overly cautious with providing a risky treatment that could save a life?

Just as a disclaimer I'm a systems guy not a doctor or scientist. The above information is based off conversations I've been privy to or just being part of the process in setting up or shutting down trial related studies or providing data to the FDA as a drug is tracking through the process. I am by no means an expert on this. I just know the regulations are insane, and not just the US either, the EU is even worse.

ApS 04-12-2020 05:28 AM

Providing News Not Found Here...
 
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Originally Posted by Trail Goer (Post 331347)
Yes it was a joke, I don't even get their paper. I thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it. I only know about them because of their stupid adds.

Harvard involved in virus research.

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"The FBI complaint alleges that he had been secretly participating in China’s “Thousand Talents Plan” since 2011, paid some $600,000 a year plus expenses to open and operate a lab at the Wuhan University of Technology (yes, that Wuhan). We know that China contracts with American experts in this way in order to steal their research and gain commercial funds..."
--Epoch Times

Mr. V 04-14-2020 09:26 PM

Obviously THIS lady thinks the worst is over.

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9470621184/hA23BE9A1

FlyingScot 04-15-2020 02:00 PM

Rapid testing is key
 
Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

VitaBene 04-15-2020 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 331890)
Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

ishoot308 04-15-2020 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 331896)
I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

OMG! That is too funny...

Hope all is well Vita!

Dan

Newbiesaukee 04-15-2020 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 331890)
Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight

As it is a blood test, this is looking for antibodies and can identify people who have been infected. It is also the test that many companies are developing but still has some problems technically.

Additionally, if the test shows the person has had Covid-19 antibodies it is still not known for certain if these antibodies actually do protect and if they do, we do not know how long the protection lasts.

BUT it is exactly the kind of test that should be perfected and can be helpful in opening up the country. We are not quite there yet with this antibody test.

FlyingScot 04-15-2020 04:20 PM

Dan My Friend (and Vita),

After our Honeymooners exchange I am surprised my humor is too dry for you. Of course I do not believe that there is an Arab country with a government that is as advanced or effective as our own.

But the 10 minute pre-boarding test is a damn good trick, and it is disappointing/sad that they beat us--American, United, FAA, TSA, CDC, etc--to the punch.

Don't ya think?

ApS 04-15-2020 10:16 PM

Emirates: Modern and Forward-Looking...
 
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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 331896)
I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

Emirates is an airline, but the UAE is composed of seven Emirates, and is a country.
The seven Emirates derived their name from their seven rulers, called Emirs.

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"The United Arab Emirates, sometimes simply called the Emirates, is a country in Western Asia at the northeast end of the Arabian Peninsula on the Persian Gulf, bordering Oman to the east and Saudi Arabia to the south and west, as well as sharing maritime borders with Qatar to the west and Iran to the north.

The sovereign constitutional monarchy is a federation of seven emirates consisting of Abu Dhabi, Ajman, Dubai, Fujairah, Ras Al Khaimah, Sharjah and Umm Al Quwain. Their boundaries are complex, with numerous enclaves within the various emirates. Each emirate is governed by a ruler; together, they jointly form the Federal Supreme Council. One of the rulers serves as the President of the United Arab Emirates. In 2013, the UAE's population was 9.2 million, of which 1.4 million are Emirati citizens and 7.8 million are expatriates."
—Wikipedia
The UAE, considering that they've pumped all of their oil, is surprisingly modern and built-up. A number of sport-racing events, mostly imported from Europe (boat/car), are conducted there, and if you want to go snow-skiing, there's a venue for that!

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The ambition, cutting-edge technological standards and worldwide reach of Formula 1 goes hand in hand with Emirates’ vision and ambition.”
https://www.emirates.com/english/abo...p/motorsports/
Aside from their airline, another familiar "Emirates" image—capable of easily exceeding Lake Winnipesaukee's Speed Limit:
https://img.redbull.com/images/c_fil...am-artemis.jpg

fatlazyless 04-16-2020 06:57 AM

Talking about the Emirates ..... the Emirates Airlines is a big sponsor for tennis

http://www.emirates.com/US/english/a...orship/tennis/

including the U S Tennis Open in NYC ...... that now has two large tennis

stadiums converted into a field hospital and food distribution to support victims

of the coronavirus in New York. So that Emirates Airlines sponsor money is now

going to help with the support effort in NYC.

TheProfessor 04-16-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 331896)
I'm sorry but Emirates is an airline, not a country. Further, if you are calling any middle eastern country advanced or sophisticated, now your credibility is in question!

They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?


Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 331890)
Rapid testing is possible today. Here's an example from an apparently more advanced country with a sophisticated effective government:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-before-flight


ishoot308 04-16-2020 11:29 AM

??
 
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Originally Posted by TheProfessor (Post 331972)
They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?

I have to ask...who is "they"??

VitaBene 04-16-2020 12:44 PM

Easy to say
 
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Originally Posted by TheProfessor (Post 331972)
They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?

Please see response #93 above.

Testing and vaccines will be a part of our foreseeable lives but when and how are almost 7,000,000,000 people going to be tested or inoculated?

Advanced? No, they have lots of money and can buy technology and people.

thinkxingu 04-16-2020 02:42 PM

NH just went to remote learning for the rest of the school year. I'm guessing MA will announce tomorrow or in the next week.

I'm hoping we see that the reason for this is purely numbers/proximity and that we start to move towards opening up with clear distancing/demographic guidelines.

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WinnisquamZ 04-16-2020 03:43 PM

Must add, by keeping the schools closed many small businesses have lost their employees till fall. One more kick to the groin for the small business owners in NH. Now I must tell you I agree with his decision. Many logical headaches for 6 weeks if opened


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thinkxingu 04-16-2020 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332011)
Must add, by keeping the schools closed many small businesses have lost their employees till fall. One more kick to the groin for the small business owners in NH. Now I must tell you I agree with his decision. Many logical headaches for 6 weeks if opened


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I'm not following you—almost all of my seniors are working because they're "essential": grocery stores, elderly homes, takeout restaurants. Wouldn't there be an influx of available local kids?

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fatlazyless 04-17-2020 07:06 AM

..... obesity & coronavirus
 
Obesity Linked to Severe Coronavirus Disease, Especially for Younger Patients by Roni Caryn Rabin, NY Times, Friday, April 17, 2020

No subscription needed ..... just google first six words in title ..... talks about over weight body and the virus, especially for men. ..... :eek:

ApS 04-17-2020 07:54 AM

Tri-Corder" Comeback?
 
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Originally Posted by TheProfessor (Post 331972)
They look pretty advanced to me.
If they can do why can't our "advanced" country do it?

The U.S. Army is using a device that looks like a "Tricorder" with an antenna. No PPE in sight.

ApS 04-18-2020 07:39 AM

So Just What are They Saying?
 
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Originally Posted by Trail Goer (Post 331347)
Yes it was a joke, I don't even get their paper. I thought some of you would get a chuckle out of it. I only know about them because of their stupid adds.

Editors of The Epoch Times read Chinese Communist Party newspapers, and listen to CCP propaganda. These are skills for which Americans aren't ready.

thinkxingu 04-18-2020 11:58 AM

The latest data suggests that NH is already past peak but that MA still has time (image attached).

I've seen a lot of references to how opening up too quickly would be like "cutting the parachute cord early because it's slowed us down."

As I've mentioned elsewhere, I think there's a balance to be struck—Dan Crenshaw, Texas representative, discussed how this doesn't have to be a bipolar approach, it can have nuance.

https://www.nbcboston.com/news/coron...e/2108705/?amp

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rscalzo 04-18-2020 03:02 PM

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From today's New York Times:
First mistake. The Times and Post have gone overboard to report anything they can spin as negative.

jazzman 04-18-2020 03:08 PM

Roadblock time on the NH Mass border? I guess it's not constitutional, but it hasn't stopped other states from doing it. It might save some of the NH based hotels and restaurants. I don't think it was an accident that NH restaurants were closed the day before St Patrick's Day with all the bars already closed in Mass.

I haven't got a clue what the summer will bring. Will everyone just want to escape from Mass, Conn, NY, NJ or will everyone be afraid to go on vacation? Maybe the number of cases will significantly decline when it gets warm.

I'm certainly having 2nd thoughts about my summer job entertaining vacationers at this point.

The Real BigGuy 04-19-2020 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jazzman (Post 332207)
Roadblock time on the NH Mass border?.

I’m ok with that as long as MA can put roadblocks to stop NH people from coming in to work or use our hospital facilities🤨


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WinnisquamZ 04-19-2020 02:11 PM

Stopped by HD in Tilton this afternoon, parking lot was full. Less then half of the people wearing masks, that includes employees! It appears the gig is up. Weather is looking better and the revolution has begun.


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kawishiwi 04-19-2020 08:51 PM

Just great...
 
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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332269)
Stopped by HD in Tilton this afternoon, parking lot was full. Less then half of the people wearing masks, that includes employees! It appears the gig is up. Weather is looking better and the revolution has begun.


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A legion of idiots spreading random disease & death lotto tickets into the community. "Live Free and Die"?

I assert my right to be deadly irresponsible cus "FREEDOM"?

WinnisquamZ 04-19-2020 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 332287)
A legion of idiots spreading random disease & death lotto tickets into the community. "Live Free and Die"?

I assert my right to be deadly irresponsible cus "FREEDOM"?

Your ignorance is on display for all to read. Your assumption is they are sick. What if they are not and tested as much? What if the others are at low risk. What if those at high risk are protecting themselves and understand the others have a constitutional right to go about their day as they wish.


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FlyingScot 04-19-2020 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332289)
Your ignorance is on display for all to read. Your assumption is they are sick. What if they are not and tested as much? What if the others are at low risk. What if those at high risk are protecting themselves and understand the others have a constitutional right to go about their day as they wish.


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It's amazing how some people can watch the same movie again and again, and still expect a different ending. Low risk people expressed their constitutional rights magnificently at Mardi Gras, Florida Spring Break, and Liberty University.

Maybe next time Darth won't be Luke's father...

jeffatsquam 04-19-2020 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332289)
Your ignorance is on display for all to read. Your assumption is they are sick. What if they are not and tested as much? What if the others are at low risk. What if those at high risk are protecting themselves and understand the others have a constitutional right to go about their day as they wish.


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My assumption is that less than 1% of your full parking lot at HD in Tilton have tested negative. I know of no one that has had a test. But I don't get out much lately

WinnisquamZ 04-19-2020 10:28 PM

Neither do I. Or know of someone that has been sick. I do know many that have lost their job or have had hours cut. Those that are still collecting a weekly paycheck seem to want to continue this isolation. Some have started to refer to this event as a “white collar” isolation. It’s the blue collar workers that are risking sickness and health keeping them feed. Terrible


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kawishiwi 04-19-2020 10:57 PM

Me thinks...
 
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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332289)
Your ignorance is on display for all to read. Your assumption is they are sick. What if they are not and tested as much? What if the others are at low risk. What if those at high risk are protecting themselves and understand the others have a constitutional right to go about their day as they wish.


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Me thinks the ignorance is all yours.

Mr. V 04-20-2020 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 332295)
Me thinks the ignorance is all yours.

Check the message on the sign held by the flag festooned guy in the center of the photo.

"Give me liberty, or give me covid-19."

Actually, it should read "Give me liberty AND give me covid-19."

Liberty helps to cause it; sheltering helps to prevent it.

Just sayin.'

https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/prot...n_16x9_992.jpg

Flylady 04-20-2020 12:11 PM

In time..
 
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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332294)
Neither do I. Or know of someone that has been sick. I do know many that have lost their job or have had hours cut. Those that are still collecting a weekly paycheck seem to want to continue this isolation. Some have started to refer to this event as a “white collar” isolation. It’s the blue collar workers that are risking sickness and health keeping them feed. Terrible


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You may not today, but without appropriate precautions, you most likely will know several within the coming month. The biggest risks to the population are those who do not take it seriously.

WinnisquamZ 04-20-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Flylady (Post 332335)
You may not today, but without appropriate precautions, you most likely will know several within the coming month. The biggest risks to the population are those who do not take it seriously.



The biggest risk to the population has passed. Curves have began to flatten for a week. Time to begin repairing the damage


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ApS 04-21-2020 11:51 PM

'Following Dr. Wittkowski for a Week--Now on YouTube...
 
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Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ (Post 332336)
The biggest risk to the population has passed. Curves have began to flatten for a week. Time to begin repairing the damage.

Dr. Knut Wittkowski agrees:

https://youtu.be/lGC5sGdz4kg

Note within a few minutes, he states, "I don't receive government checks".
:look:


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