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I couldn't afford to buy either one of my homes at today's values! |
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Also, hi from Mass! We're south of Boston. |
Just a guess: If you move the kitchen and bathroom to another floor, it's a split entry and an inspection will show settling, cracks in the foundation and signs of water which later turns to mold. Fire (smoke) damage and mold are two excellent reasons for gutting. You don't do it because the wall paper is ugly. It's nice now that with Google Earth and an iPhone you can see a lot of properties from home. Last year I was looking at property in FL (Amelia Island) and Myrtle Beach. In both cases my Buyer's Realtor toured the property while I watched from NH and could say, move closer, look at that again, etc. Neither deal worked out due to engineering studies and IRS deadlines. I did a home inspection on one and there were no significant problems but the engineer had problems with the whole complex. I got my deposit back in FL. Never made an offer in SC.
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Or it’s as simple as no permits were pulled and signed off when it was remodeled. Happens quite frequently here in the lakes region
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We were like you, tried to stay within 2 hours of our home in Mass. I was willing to go further but my wife was adamant about keeping it under 2 hours and I'm happy we did. That shared well would have been a non-starter for me. I would be patient, we could see a slow down this year. I don't think prices will collapse but I do think the price wars of the past will reside, JMO. I'm 70 and have had many properties in Ma and NH, the only one I ever regret buying was a hasty decision, getting caught up in FOMO. |
Hard to say.
A lot of ''flipping'' is being done on the lake. Buyers purchased what was available at the time, many did renovations... But when a better location comes up, they purchase the new using equity of the old and try to sell the old quickly. |
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Looking up the current owner/seller on the tax card and then looking up that person (if it's a person) on line will tell you a lot.
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Looks like OP is suffering from paralysis by analysis. Sooner or later you need to jump in, if this is something you really want. You know the old expression: it’s waterfront and they Aren’t making any more of it.
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We bought our Lakefront house in November, never having been to the Lake before. This was 22 years ago and we have never regretted it. Our key to success was our realtor. She was brutally honest about the pros and cons of this location, the quality of the builder (or lack thereof) and all we needed to know to make an informed decision.
Her name is Susan Bradley and she’s still in business. |
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Hesitant. Why? What’s your reasoning behind it.
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I haven't felt this uneasy about the economy in over 16 years! |
I am also uneasy about the economy--too much uncertainty right now
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I thought we were talking about purchasing lake front property. Not the economy in general. I disagree, the economy is as stable as it has been over the past five years. Those buyers of lake front property are immune to inflation and other economic pressures
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This kind of thing is always speculation, so I will not be putting money where my mouth is :) |
Is a price reduction from $2.5 million to $2.3 million actually a reduction? Monopoly money to this writer
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GDP might see a dip for a quarter or two.
But I think the lake will always attract, so really don't expect prices to move downward. As more people choose to spend recreational dollars on boating over other formats, the limitation of public launching may make shorefront homes surge. |
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My daughter was married in 2005, just when the economy was starting to crash, and bought a rowhouse in Baltimore that summer. The house went down in value year after year, but they had payments that they could afford and ended up living there for 18 years before they moved out to the county. They sold it for $25,000 more than they paid for it but they enjoyed every minute that they lived there. |
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For that reason, and given that luxuries go before needs, I don't think it's unreasonable to think we'll see prices drop at the lake...or at least not increase in value as aggressively in the past. Sent from my SM-S911U using Tapatalk |
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You are entitled to your opinion as I am mine, only time will tell who's right. |
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I've been around a long time, I'm 70. I know real estate is a great investment if you hold it long enough. But I also think of it as an investment, and when prices are topped out and people are reacting to FOMO, it's not a great time to buy. The old saying in stocks pertains to real estate also, "be a fireman, run in when everyone else is running out". |
I disagree with some of what has been said. We never purchased real estate for an investment. We purchased property because we liked it and wanted to be there. Having said that, we always purchased in attractive areas (location, location, location).
We have bought/sold many properties over the years and always did well financially. Maybe luck of the draw? More Likely making solid decisions. Lake property should always appreciate, whether waterfront or nearby. We have also owned ocean front, historic homes, etc. I dont think you can go wrong purchasing property that has some kind of unique feature. It may take some sweat equity and/or time, but you should build equity. To summarize: buy it because you like it. If the property has some kind of unique feature, you will build equity. Life is short, don’t be afraid to take chances. It ain’t all about money! Do it because you want to. |
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But unless a reasonable amount of properties come onto the market, it will always have that ''shortage effect". |
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I bought my first property on the lake in Alton Bay back in the 70's, I was in my 20's. I can't afford lake front at these prices anymore. But waterfront communities are more abundant and don't require the same level of wealth. They also don't appreciate at the same pace as waterfront property. I never had that kind of wealth, so I always had to be more precise in my purchases. Everyone has a different approach to life purchases. I just follow what has worked for me and my family. I'm a DIY buyer so I always look for a property that needs TLC. |
I sort of wonder whether other influences will affect prices more than the economy. I sold my Winni house I owned for 27 years to buy on a different local (smaller) waterbody. I was driven away by overcrowding/noise, water quality degradation, and the desire to boat and fish on non-motorized craft...
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Thank you for this thread. It certainly is interesting. We have been going back and forth about moving to Florida as we have been getting older. Yes waterfront properties are all unique in their own ways. We have owned our place for 25+ years and do love it. But the winter is starting to take its toll on our old bones. After talking with many folks and of course realtors everyone is all over the place as to what we could sell our place for. Our small condo association has only 6 units and just last spring one unit sold for 615K and has changed hands a few times over the last 5 or 6 years. It's definitely the least desirable unit here but you wouldn't know that unless you've lived here like we do. Realtors that want our listing seem to want to give it away (quick sale maybe) while friend realtors say it's worth much much more. Especially since there's nothing close to it on the market. To be honest we don't even know if we're making the right decision wanting to move, but we created a FSBO listing with a price that would probably make us say yes. We would love to hear what others have to think.
https://www.forsalebyowner.com/listi...4ccd177a058ad5 P.S. Not trying to sell this here. Figured it would be a good place to hear opinions. We've gone down this road before and have changed our mind. |
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You should make out very well on that move as much of Florida real estate is in decline right now, lots of listings. |
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As soon as I set up my deck and put the kayaks in the water it can quickly change our minds. It has before. We're older now and tired of winter though. Florida looks good. Everyone we know that has moved there likes it. Although real estate can be a better value, to have a large boat slip, a jet ski lift, kayaks, and swimming right on the water takes big bucks. What we're looking at is not within reach so we know we will have to give up some luxuries we have here. |
Snowbirds alternatives
Two couples I know have lake homes, one on Winnipesaukee and another in PA on Lake Wallenpaupack. They too were tired of long winters and close up their homes & lease condos in Fla from Jan 1 to April 1st. the pa couple has leased the same condo on Hutchinson Island near Ft Pierce for 14 years. The husband said leasing meant that once he went back to PA he had no worries about the condo and didn't have to deal with home owner insurance, hurricanes, etc. Would the snow bird life be a possibilty?
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Lease in NH and FL. In a couple of years you can sell the NH property as an investment and roll it into a similar investment in FL and avoid capital gains taxes. That leaves options open. Talk to your CPA about 1031 Exchanges and DST passive income.
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The thing I will miss most is having my morning coffee in my kayak while floating in the cove. It's been addictive to me personally. That's a tough one for me to give up. We have it pretty good and are not desperate. But this winter has pushed our old bones and we think it's time for new warmer adventures with what time we have left. We're lucky to have our health. But all bets would be off if that changed and we wouldn't be going anywhere. We haven't signed with any realtor because at this point if something goes down maybe us and a buyer could benefit. We've bought and sold many properties over the years ourselves with much success. This was FSBO when we bought it back in 1998. We're trying to downsize our shop now and anyone who has seen it knows it's a monumental task. If we're here for a while longer that's fine. Obviously as a seller we want to get as much as we can, but of course we respect any buyer who wants to find the best deal. Waterfront properties are all over the place. From basic motel units for 500K to an acre of land for a few million. I guess it's just finding what you like and can afford. Although just a small cottage, we have basically any waterfront amenity you can find in the Governor's Island mansions. But what's better our taxes are pretty cheap! |
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We have done everything you can on this lake for many years and enjoy it a lot. But being warm all the time and exploring something new is our goal. We do wonder if it's a mistake but we've made bold moves before. Buying this place was one. We drove by and saw a FSBO sale in the window and just bought it! We were staying on our boat at Silver Sands and was looking to trade up. We bought this place instead and it was one of the best things we ever did in life. |
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