True but at the same time some jackass is going to buy a government surplus destroyer and want to put it in the lake.

There does come a point to where the size of a boat for even "the big lake" is a bit silly.

You'd think common sense would prevail here but sometimes it just doesn't. Not that I'm a big fan of new laws and restrictions but I can see one day this kind of thing happening.

And how do we know this?

Because history often repeats itself.

Just curious, why do you think the speed limit does not affect safety one bit?

To stay on point with the thread, I just don't see the point of such a big boat on the lake - aside from the bragging rights one gets for having the biggest boat. To each their own...

Absolutely right
 

Bragging rights. There is no safety issue here, and for those who want to rehash speed limits, there is a separate section of the Forum for that.
From a practical point, there are limited places to keep/dock a boat over 44' LOA. Even if you have your own dock that is capable, you won't find docking at most public docks, or in many marinas. Max at MVYC, for example is 44' although the directors can grant an exemption. Many marinas do not have lift capacity. DES and the towns won't let you build a big dock or boathouse anymore. The list goes on. It;'s too bad in a way. I'd rather see the Swallow in one boathouse than 6-8 boathouses/docks filling up the same area, or a valet operation in the same place. (I use valet, so I appreciate its value, but from a lake use/intensity perspective, one big boat is less intrusive.)

Both the Doris E and Sophie C are about 70' long, have the biggest wakes, never catch any forum flak, so's maybe he should follow their lead and name it the Michael B?

And, everywhere it goes, announce their arrival by sounding out that old hit, 'Michael, Row the Boat Ashore, Hallelujah!' ..... or maybe just name it the 'Hallelujah' ..... a nice name for a 64' luxury liner .... there, it goes, the 'Hallelujah' ..... and be pumping out the volume.

Hot Tip.........Big Boat......Coming Soon
 

Through experience and common sense. A person with a fast boat does not indiscriminately go fast in tight or crowded areas but instead looks for wide open spaces. My father owned a 27’ Eliminator that would do about 90. He would open it up routinely but was very safe about it. Most if not all owners of fast boats feel this way. An arbitrary speed limit was a solution looking for a problem that didn’t exist.


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Sure that would be really cool......................If the owner's name was Michael, which it is not. Or, if the boat was 64 feet which it is not. Thank you for the misinformation though! :laugh:

I personally never thought it does either. Both on the lake or the highway. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Winnisquam not have a speed limit?

Id like to see the stats on the last 15 years. How many people have died on the lake versus how many died due to "specifically" excessive speed on the lake.

Wonder if this boat owner would let me surf behind that monster!

If only common sense really were common! When I was a teenager and in my early twenties I feel the lake had fewer boats, smaller boats, and not as many boats that went really fast; I had a friend whose boat went 70+ which at the time was really fast. As boats became more and more plentiful - and bigger and faster - a significant number of people without common sense helped create an environment ripe for regulation.

While I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if boats continue to get bigger and bigger I would not be surprised to start seeing a move to impose some type of tax based on length, beam, and/or displacement - or perhaps even limits on size. The logic would be that bigger boats take up a disproportionate share of public spaces; for example, a boat like the one in this thread would take up (my guess) four or more spaces at a public dock and the equivalent number of mooring spaces on a sandbar.

I am not advocating for such a tax or ban, merely pointing out that regulation only comes about when conditions warrant them. Very few politicians take positions that buck the will of their constituents. And, those that do are not in office for too long.

Bottom line to me - if someone wants to bring a boat I feel is way too big for the lake, so be it. Until and unless something changes, that is his/her right to do so. I'll both admire it and roll my eyes when it goes by - and wish I owned such a vessel so I could do the Great Loop!

Is this your scientific study? :confused: Is that the same as, most people that have fast cars don't drive fast? :emb::emb::emb::emb::emb:

Tossing Winter Harbor...
 

While I hope that Bernie is the nominee, :devil: and that everyone else drives a Prius, :rolleye2: your characterization is 'way off. :rolleye1:

My present view is of a small lake that has been "to my liking" since viewing it from the shoreline of Camp Wyanoke; unfortunately, it is attached to the larger lake beyond.

An even earlier view includes rowing near where Melvin Village Marina stands today.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f91/18/11/38/95/fullsc56.jpg

See all the wakes? Me neither. :rolleye2:

We were aghast when our neighbors moored a new 21' Thompson outboard next door. When they invited me (a teenager) to captain their boat to Wolfeboro via The Broads, I did so. Five minutes later, I received the trip's only instruction while in 25-feet of water: "Keep farther away from shore". I thought this was very "telling" of the owner and his new oversized boat. :rolleye1: (At the time, there were no houses facing Rattlesnake Island).

"Visitors" today blast their way around Rattlesnake Island and from Meredith Bay to bulldoze their oversized boats into Winter Harbor. They'll soak docks, erode the shoreline, break mooring lines, and set small boaters' teeth on edge. Some come to Winter Harbor to rattle windows with their unnecessarily loud exhaust noise. (Note: fewer since S/L). Even the best-protected of shoreline properties now have boat lifts and breakwaters. One boatlift has stairs next to it, eliminating the boarding of a "bucking" boat. :eek2:

Bought a raft? Better inspect your ground tackle after every weekend. :rolleye2:

Seen all the floatplanes using the three designated landing areas in Winter Harbor? Me neither. :rolleye2:

Even while in Winter Harbor' "protected waters", I have been thrown out of my boat three times! :eek:

The first time, it was from an overpowered outboard boat—hard chines, in what I thought was a gentle turn—totally my fault. The second time, I was thrown out backwards after slowing for a huge wake from a 28-foot cruiser—towing a water skier. :rolleye1: Lastly, tossed from my 20-foot sailboat—trapped between the wakes of two cruisers entering Winter Harbor. :eek:

As for raising an already high lake with 55,000 pounds of displacement, that was really tongue-in-cheek. :look: Since we know that wind can more greatly affect depth measurements between the distant "corners" of the lake—one boat or all the boats—aren't going to budge the meter much while measuring 600 billion gallons of water.

It's when they get underway that the metric changes. The rate at which a lake "dies" (eutrophication) increases with damaged shorelines.

For an indicator, look for algae.

:rolleye1:

Well, in effect there already is a tax based on size, heads, Etc when you register the boat.

When you have a bigger boat you know you can't expect 4 (your number) of spaces to open up at the same time in any public dock. So you don't even attempt to do that.

The movement of this boat will also create significant fuel taxes, business income taxes, overtime for police, cable workers, and telephone linemen.

There already is a tax as you describe, it's part of the registration fee.



That boat is very likely too tall to do the loop. Most loop boats are <15' high to enable them to go anywhere on the loop, but the maximum height to do the loop is 19'1". There's a very similar boat at Champlain Marina that can't cruise off the lake despite the fact that the lake is connected to the ocean at both ends. It's too tall to fit under the bridges. As big as Champlain is,n that kind of limitation would make me nuts, I cannot fathom having a boat like that a Winnipesaukee.

I would be happy just to be the salesman that sold that boat, nice big commission on that one! :)

The speed limit has done nothing to improve safety, came right from MP about the last ten years of having the speed limit.

Hope it's not too late to get my deposit back:D:D:D

In all seriousness the Great Loop is definitely something that's on my retirement list.

I hear you and understand your logic - but like common sense not always being common, logic and good decisions are not always the foundation for public policy.

I remember that 53' bottle. The corrosion on the electrical system in the e/r told a sad story. Back-feeding all over the boat.

I, with the help of others, spent hours cleaning and treating numerous neglected 4/0 DC(-) terminals down there. .. taking back years of low maintenance found in the hard access corners.

Happily all efforts were rewarded with 100% success and all Back-feeding Electrical Gremlins were properly fed and disappeared.

Sorry for the hi-jack, It just made me look back into the archives of being a marine electrician.

I also do a lot of electrical work and found that using " Never Seize " on any outdoor electrical wiring connections, pool equipment, boats, autos, heavy trucks and equipment, battery clamps and posts, common and or ground blocks for 110-220 AC volts saves many headaches. And I started using this product back when I was about 23 years old, and I'm still truck'in at 74...

What do you mean by back-feeding? Design issue or operator error?

Any update, has she arrived?

It is currently at Marine Max in Quincy MA getting some punch list items taken care of.

It will probably be on the lake in 7 to 10 days.

(Took notice of APS's concern about raising the lake level so waiting for a little more water to go over the Lakeport Dam) :laugh:

Slow and steady
 

I figured I'd stick my nose into this just a bit. A boat of that size is probably not going to run at speed even if that speed is 15mph at full throttle. So if its going to be a low speed sight seeing vessel (like the Mount Washington) what's the harm? I welcome any boating enthusiast's idea of what works for them so long as it doesn't negatively impact the general boating experience of the rest of the population. Can't wait to see her!

Not 15 knot
 

A magazine review (2016) says top speed 30 knots, cruise at 25 knots.

Personally I’m looking forward to seeing it, where will it be docked?

If the owner of this craft is where I think he is, it will be at the western tip of Governor’s Island right near the NWZ passage between Governor’s and Eagle Is.

Space?
 

I'm not sure there's enough space there without dock additions. The 53'' Caver was docked at Silver Sands.

53" Carver. Was that the "Mini Summa Humma"?

:D

Could be....
 

... any celebs or big money. Tilton already said not MB from GI. So..... who? Lots of old money.. and new money up here.

Mitt? Nah, too busy playing politics.
Sandler? Hmmm... good to see him on SNL last night and see a true talent on that show after a long dry spell. But doesn't seem that he likes to call that much attention to himself in the every day.
One of the Patriots ?
How about HHH or his father-in-law?
Damon of Affleck?
A Marriot?
Maybe DickieBfromHB who is FINALLY leaving CA for a better place among family here in Nh?
While it is "privately owned", perhaps intention of operating as a business?
Maybe anybody that flies under the radar and we never find out as registered in a corp name ... Like the jets that fly in and out of LAC.
Oh wait! A Saudi Sheik who bought it for his sons to get away for a weekend a year and who will bring it to the NASWA if can get under the bridge.
Could be just another rich person who will park it and use it 2 times a year when up for vacation.

Going to be great seeing it after all of this suspense. The build up has certainly been propagated by postings on this forum... including mine.

No matter who owns it, I admit it would be nice to have that expendable income and I look forward to seeing it! :liplick:

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Oh I didn't realize TBB said it was not MB

His dock is being worked on now to fit the new boat...

I never said that!

Actually I said this:

Probably here about 5/12. Planning still in progress.

No

It was “My Uther Humma”

or something closer to that - it was docked at Silver Sands in days past.

Close but not exactly!

My post was a joke on the reference to a 53" (53 inch) boat being the "Mini" version.

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Jet skis are going to love the wake from this boat


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WOW,she is beautiful

Can't help but think of the movie "Secondhand Lions".