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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam (Post 112588)

It sure can get intertaining at times and I guess kinda aggravating also. I am also sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my intention to do that.

whether or not that apology included me, I also want to say that I also did not mean to offend anyone directly, that does include you Yosemite...

I think with the new session coming up things are bound to get even more heated and it is posts like this that help to keep things civil and how things actually can get done.

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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam (Post 112588)

It sure can get intertaining at times and I guess kinda aggravating also. I am also sorry if I offended anyone, it wasn't my intention to do that.

As NoBoza said: "The situation is no more resolved now than it was at post number two. SO: Why does this continue?"

Honestly Sam I mean it. You are one of the many members that contribute to other threads on the site www.winnipesaukee.com I have read your posts and even collaborated with you on the site support forum when we were showing others the screencast/jing tool. You and many others on this website come here to talk all things Winnipesaukee. Unfortunately one person and only one person comes to this thread "Speed Limits" ONLY and tosses bombs and calls names and then accuses everyone ELSE of doing it first. He is a useless member of the winni.com community. He offers no other insight on any other thread all he does is come here and cause problems. I know we all look at our posts through rose colored glasses and we tend to lash out at posts that don't fit our own views but this person goes WAY WAY over the line with every post. It seems he is not happy unless he is creating controversy and bickering.

Sam thanks for the apology and I mean what I say about all of the SL supporters except one. We all would most likely enjoy each others company and we all know and appreciate how lucky we are to have access to this great resource, the lake and the website. ;)

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Originally Posted by NoBozo (Post 112579)

We have 631 posts from maybe a dozen or two people, The situation is no more resolved now than it was at post number two. SO: Why does this continue? I am against the SL and I appreciate the people on my side who try to get their point across. It's time to shut this down. This is going nowhere. Trying to REASON with Liberals is FUTILE.

Anyone else feel this way..??? :look: NB

I am pretty liberal (except for fiscal matters) and do not support the speed limit.

Tonight on Letterman...

The top ten reasons this thread is about to be shut down..

#10 The bad feelings brewing here will spill over into the rest of the forum.

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Is this your version of an apology? Give me a straightforward "I'm sorry" apology for accusing me of being a poacher and I will be very gracious and never mention it again

I never apologized, I simply said I made a mistake.

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I will be very gracious

Not likely.

Another question dodged by Elchase:

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Originally Posted by Airwaves
Let me know when you have some statistics relevant to New Hampshire and Lake Winnipesaukee.

1) A statistically reliable randomly conducted telephone poll showed NH citizens favoring a 45/25 MPH speed limit outnumber NH citizens opposing a 45/25 speed limit by a 9 to 1 margin with a +/-3% margin of error. These are the people who elected our legislators and will be voting again next fall.
2) There were 0 (zero) accidents on Lake Winnipesaukee last summer that could even be alleged to have been high-speed related.
3) With a speed limit in place and the MP monitoring boat speeds last summer, only 1 (one) boat was caught exceeding 45 MPH.
How are those for statistics?

Pretty lame. That continues shows that speed limits were never needed in the first place since it reenforces the Marine Patrol's snapshot of the lake in 2007 that less that 1 percent of the boats clocked by radar were exceeding 45 mph!

Since you brought it up in the final year prior to speed limits taking effect there were 2 boating fatalities in New Hampshire, but in the first year of speed limits that number doubled!

Using Elchase logic that means speed limits are to blame for a doubling of fatalities in New Hampshire in 2009 since everything else remained the same even though the 2009 fatalities had nothing to do with a boat traveling at much beyond headway speed!

Now getting back to the post you've been ignoring:

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Originally posted by elchase

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An MP boat and a police boat went out and fished their bodies aboard and drove them to shore. These boats were plenty large enough for the conditions on the lake that day, and the officers did not even need to get wet. If we did not have the SL in effect that day, I'd agree that going out to retrieve these bodies endangered the officers' lives, but only due to the dangers of getting run down and cut in half by a speeding cigarette boat. Since the SL was in effect that day, that risk was eliminated and these guys faced little more risk on the lake than had they stayed ashore

From this post it is OBVIOUS that YOU HAVE NEVER been part of a SAR (Search and rescue) operation! In every case there are dangers to the rescue boat and crew yet you try to dismiss it as if you are walking across the school yard and picking up a piece of paper.

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Originally posted by elchase in response to a comment hoping legislators are reading this:

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they are focusing on the sheer volume of crashes and deaths resulting from boats going too fast, losing control, and colliding into one another or into shore. While they had been told that high speed boating is safe and that deaths were a rarity...a fluke...they are seeing evidence that proves otherwise.

What "evidence" would that be? Certainly nothing you have presented from NH or Lake Winnipesaukee because the evidence pertaining to NH and Lake Winnipesaukee proves that speed was never a problem and is not a safety issue, however fear mongering certainly is a problem!

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Originally Posted by elchase (Post 112556)

Please do. Why ask me to do your research if you have your own sources? I'll hold my breath for you to come back and tell us what you find.

Done the research already. I have copies of all the minutes of the transportation committee regarding SL. Including the closed sessions and the public sessions. I don't see a note that Ryan blasted the marine patrol about their findings. Can you point to me your source to this claim? I'm getting tired of your spin. :rolleye1:

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Originally Posted by sunset on the dock (Post 112562)

Been tried, didn't work, even more difficult to enforce than some of your perceptions of how hard it would be to enforce the SL. " And the law would be ignored by drunks". So now we have a SL. As far as trivializing the MP, many of your SL persuasion have not only trivialized them, but outright bashed them over the past months over issues like the 150' rule and NWZ's. And again, hearing today's description of the poker run a few years ago makes me certain they are not the ones who should be weighing in with their expert opinions about the need for a SL.

Sunset, why do you say it is hard to enforce? Just curious, I would think it would be easy with the right meters and a calibrated tachometer.

I would support a reasonable sound limit. People are tired of noise. I realize that a performance engine needs to have its exhaust uncorked a bit but straight pipes and the like are too loud. Noise laws are becoming more and more prevalent, on land and on the water.

If you go into any HD dealer, you will see signs about being more reasonable noisewise. Hopefully people are paying attention.

For the record, our boat is 350 Chevy powered with through the prop exhaust. My bike has a few baffles knocked out, loud enough without being obnoxious.

Of course everyone has a different opinion on this, that's cool with me!

From NoBozo

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Trying to REASON with Liberals is FUTILE.

I have certainly been called liberal and I am strongly opposed to SL! :D

This post isn't directed at anyone in particular but rather a response to some of the sentiment expressed throughout the day yesterday and before. Maybe I'm missing something here...it wouldn't be the first time... but I'm a bit perplexed by some of the outrage expressed at El's posts. I mean the reaction and outrage directed to his comments reminds me of how a bunch of school girls might shriek when they heard a naughty word on the playground. Let's face it...no one on this forum is an innocent school girl. I realize some of the points made by El are difficult to hear (and would be difficult to sugar coat) but in my opinion many of them need to be made and I am glad they were made. All of us here can and should feel free to debate them. It's a forum. There's controversy inherent in the SL debate. All this talk about how the forum would be more "civilized" if he were gone and that Don should do this or that strikes me as very odd. If you don't like anything someone says on the forum...debate it. Let's leave the histrionics to the kids on the playground. JMHO. Seriously this isn't meant to offend and I'd be the first to admit I'm capable of staging my own histrionics.

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Originally Posted by sunset on the dock (Post 112609)

This post isn't directed at anyone in particular but rather a response to some of the sentiment expressed throughout the day yesterday and before. Maybe I'm missing something here...it wouldn't be the first time... but I'm a bit perplexed by some of the outrage expressed at El's posts. I mean the reaction and outrage directed to his comments reminds me of how a bunch of school girls might shreik when they heard a naughty word on the playground. No one on this forum is an innocent school girl. I realize some of the points made by El are difficult to hear (and would be difficult to sugar coat) but in my opinion many of them need to be made and I am glad they were made. All of us here can and should feel free to debate them. It's a forum. There's controversy inherent in the SL debate. All this talk about how the forum would be more "civilized" if he were gone and that Don should do this or that strikes me as very odd. If you don't like anything someone says on the forum...debate it. Let's leave the histrionics to the kids on the playground. JMHO. Seriously this isn't meant to offend anyone in particular and I'd be the first to admit I'm capable of staging my own histrionics.

Absolutely no offense taken. However, his continually calling me a she when he knows I am a he is indefensible. That is what set me off. It's one thing to debate and call each other out but he is acting like a child. I was merely pointing out a fact that no one member causes so much disharmony that elchase. It's the truth.

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Originally Posted by hazelnut (Post 112610)

And again my comments weren't being leveled at you in particular but in light of the he/she controversy perhaps I could have picked out a more appropriate analogy than the school girl one!:emb::laugh: