That would be easy, if in fact they really are the same person after all...:D

If you're talking about Lake Hopatcong , it's a hundred miles from me and the size of Alton Bay , if that. Not even worth the effort to get there for me so needless to say , I know nothing about it.
Of course , why don't you mention the HP limit on Alcyon Lake , right in my hometown of Pitman. Electric trolling motors only.... on the entire three acres of lake:rolleye2:

Another interesting conspiracy theory. Except that the Webmaster would know the truth, IP's are logged I believe.

I know, just injecting a bit of humor...This theory went around before, although during the summer on the island it looked to be the same. I am sure this time of year it would be easy to tell.

This was taken from the NH Bass Federation statement against the speed limit. I can send you the link to their facts sheet if you like, although I am sure you are too busy searching the net for additional pictures of GFBL's to add to the same 3-4 that you continue to post over and over. :laugh:

I am not familar with this one...Sounds like your typical crap to me. Please scan-in some documentation of this revelation. :D

No More "Poor Choices", Please
 

It's one thing to click on a debating forum clearly marked Speed Limits, and another to characterize one side of that debate as a "harangue". Many others await a favorable Senate decision for a boating rule for sanity. Those who do not post here, like my Wolfeboro-resident parents, are appreciative of all efforts for boating sanity.

...a poor choice? Like not coming to his victims' aid? Hiding his boat? Blaming the victims? Running away?

Unhappily, the Speed Cult has many cases of this "entitlement behavior". In recent years one fatality occurred at Chappaquidick—of all places. :rolleye1:

Modern high speed transport offers "heads-up" displays on their windshields so that one's eyes stay aimed ahead. Today, there are wireless displays available for your helmet:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...roduct14_1.jpg

I'm recalling my own instructor's advice on buying helmets, "If you have a $10 head, buy a $10 helmet." Say...I don't see any helmets in your photo showing 110-MPH.... :confused:

OK. Here's a US sailor struck by a speeding powerboat, making a new companionway:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...yPowerboat.jpg

Your post appeared twice: it's answered here: http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...&postcount=516

You're showing 110-MPH on GPS, and that boat appears to be ½-mile away, not 1 mile. You had less than 20 seconds to slow. What was going through the other boater's thoughts (and prayers)?

BTW: One of the early speed-record boats with a water brake ended up killing the operator when he used it.

Our posts crossed this morning...
 

Link, please.

It's hardly a revelation to the people of Gilford: speed limit opponents GWC and SIKSUKR posted it at this very site:

Followed by:
Followed by:
Bu-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-u-ttt...it doesn't count because the dock probably caused the launch into the cottage, and the cottage was probably too big a target and it was probably built too close to the water, and it was after dark, and the "driver" was probably drinking, and he was probably distracted and he probably was not observing the 150-foot rule and he probably didn't have his boater certificate, and nobody in the cottage was killed anyway...and it probably happened in an area known to be crowded...and it probably happened a long time ago...ad nauseum. :rolleye1:

Like this one?

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...er/4xy7dz4.jpg

This is a brand-new panorama image of the same ½-mile shoreline showing various people on two different days—fortunately. (The middle photo is a small rowboat pacing a teen gal swimming a "long swim".)

(Actually, I was preparing tomorrow's post here, but since you were kind enough to provide still another opportunity...:D )

I can't speak to speeds on Alton Bay, but how did Lake Hopatcong happen to get such a serious speed limit of only 30-MPH? (And they ticket 35-MPH!) Does such an "exclusionary" law cause high-performance boaters to trailer to Lake Winnipesaukee?

Oh, I dunno. Trying to express the empathy that is missing for your less-important neighbors?

We've seen that most of The Opposition are their own worst enemy—even off the water! :look:

Who was opposed to 25-MPH-Night (only) as early as in 2002?

Who was the first to educate us that, "Radar doesn't work on water"?

Who was the second to educate us on Radar? Excerpted:
:emb: Seems to corroborate one of the eight major errors in The Survey, doesn't it...? :rolleye2:


"This?"

Watch for more "incidents" irrespective of the outcome this week. :(

A speed limit violation comes with a fine and consequently, an insurance surcharge. Violating a sign like this one comes with a ticket for those who lack the common sense to park other than in front of your driveway:

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...kDriveways.jpg

Even boating on The Broads, I've been seeing a lot more tiny inflatables (smaller than this off-season inflatable off my dock) with whole families in them!

Humor to you I'm sure. Some readers may think its true.

APS?

Your constant incoherent rants are doing nothing for your case. Your pictures show nothing and prove nothing. A picture of a do not block driveway sign:confused::confused::confused: Your claims of 3 people dying? Show me the evidence? Still waiting for proof of that one.:rolleye2:

So you want to have your cake AND eat it too. Whether or not people knew about the speed zones it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the majority of boaters DON'T regularly exceed 45mph. I am on the lake ALL SUMMER just about every day. I can tell you that this ridiculous thought that hundreds of boats are speeding around just isn't true!!! You can say it over and over it doesn't make it any more factual. How much are you even on the lake? So whatever you think about the data doesn't mean much to me. A smart person can look at the data and then compare that with what they actually witness on a daily basis and concur that speed is not the problem.

What does it matter? Like many I can access several IP addresses. If I wanted sock puppets I could have them. Although sympathetic to speed limits, Islander is not as invested in the minutia of the arguments on this board as BI. They have different tones as well it's really hard to hide tone. I don't think we have a lot of imposters on the board.

Who could fake APS?

On first reading I knew you must have in mind a different meaning for "sock puppet", so I looked it up on Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sockpuppet_%28Internet%29

Give it up APS... really... just throw in the towel.
 

Acres Per Second - you're DONE! You have taken information from another post and put it up here in this one in hopes to gain some traction on your unfounded rants. Reason why you skipped out on that other thread!? Forget it, you have ZERO credibility with me and most others on this site that read your basic, factless, thinly veiled propaganda.

So, you have never heard of Wharton!? Glad you got the most out of that Brewster Education you speak so highly of... :rolleye2: http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/

Your little 10' home-built boat that sunk when you were 17 is all you have for "performance boat" experience, well that plus what you read in the latest issue of whatever boating magazine you were able to pick up in your dentists office during your semi-annual visits. I know all about types, construction, hydro-dynamics etc... don't need pictures to show me. And if you don't have the disposable income to buy, own, etc... a real "toy" then what are you basing your viewpoints on!? I don't have the disposable income to buy a private jet, but I'm sure not going to bash them or the owners that do, just because they do.

Aside of that - don't EVER assume that you know me and that I have no "empathy" for anyone - I know the FACTS behind that accident that you posted the picture of and I know the people involved!! Maybe you can ask the kid in the sailboat that was sinking one day off Bear Island that I rescued, got his boat up on the beach and fixed for him what he thinks? Or maybe his folks - ask them... I bet they want to keel haul me for being so "unempathetic"!?

As for the poor choice - I was referring to drinking then getting behind the wheel of a boat.

Not that it matters but, been riding motorcycles since I was 9 years old, (I'm now 39) been on dirt, been on the street, been on the track, been over 140mph, I know all about speed, helmets and their usage - one saved my life one day - but thanks!

So, you're that good that you can tell me - without being there, in the boat - that the other boat "appears" to be a 1/2 mile away from us!?!? Hmmm - give me the mathematical formula you used for that please. :rolleye2:

And I asked you about organized poker runs - not what you are assimilating to be a busy weekend that somehow you feel is a poker run. BTW, that picture you posted of the two boats passing the bass boat, do you (really) know how fast they were going? Do you (really) know how far away from each other they were? Did you pull out your fancy abacus / slide rule or whatever you used for the guess on my Delta distance to figure it out!? They could be just violating the 150' safe passage law, couldn't they!? Something I have seen 100x in a week by jet skis, bowriders and the like... again, thin at best.

I can make a car accident look like it was the fault of the driver, the driver of the other car, the squirrel that ran into the road, the radio - take your pick! Again, boating accidents happen - car accidents happen - planes crash - trains derail... Look at the facts and tell me what you know from first-hand experience and JUST THE FACTS! Don't spin 'em, skew 'em and twist 'em all up to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, or what you refer to is reality.

Seriously - please go back and read what you have been posting... you are sounding more and more like you are making this stuff up. It's not even fun anymore to debate these issues with you. It's like sitting in a room and watching Warren Buffett (you know who he is right, it's not the singer that is famous for Margaritaville :emb:) and Jessica Simpson discuss the nuances of investment in domestic textile industries! You keep digging and digging and getting less dirt on your shovel!

I don't care if the speed limit on Hopatcong is 110 mph. It's not big enough to be worth a 100 mile drive to get there. It deserves a speed limit. It's not much bigger that a puddle.

Question for Skipper of the Sea-Que...
 

Skipper,

You mentioned disliking the "speed limit harangue" .

"Harangue" is defined as: "harangue (n): A long pompous speech..."

Does the following qualify as a "harangue"? :confused:

The reason for asking, is that we don't seem to be discussing the instability of high speed boating any more and there don't appear to be any worthwhile questions in all that above.

I'm reduced to placing more views of "tunnel-hull" undersides! :emb:

(At speeds well below DoTheMath's 110-MPH tunnel-hulled Skater, BTW). :rolleye1:

Are you serious?A drunk guy drives his boat into a cottage at night and you use this example to show a need for a speed limit?If you believe a speed limit would have changed his behavior that night than there really is no reasoning with you.Wow,were really reaching now!

The drunk operator would not have hit that house if he was boating elsewhere. A speed limit may cause him to boat elsewhere. A horsepower limit certainly would.

This is a major point you guys keep missing.

It's official ha ha ha ha ha ha:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

We've gone from sane point counterpoint to pure insane speculation. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

I'm putting so many laugh faces to indicate the reality that I just laughed so hard I spit water all over my screen... ha ha ha ha ha

By far the best post on this entire forum I have ever seen. I'm printing this one and hanging it on the wall. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

When you stop laughing can you explain how the accident could have happened if the lake had a horsepower limit?

Even if they enacted a horsepower limit, which I sincerely doubt they would, it would have to only cover boats that were produced after the date the law was enacted. I am going to assume that the boat that crashed into the house was produced before today, no?

They're not going to enact a law that renders their own residents' possesions illegal and nearly worthless, it just would never happen. Given that, it would take at least 20 years, if not more, to get the high power boats off the lake with a HP limit, since it would take that long for them to wear out. In fact, they'd probably last even longer since there would be added incentive to keep them up.

Once again, the driver was drunk, and that is already illegal, and IMO the most egregious boating violation you can commit. If you're willing to get in your boat drunk and take a nighttime cruise, I'm sure that there are very few laws that you would even consider following. :rolleye2:

I'll bite on this one... :D So, say there was a - what... 500hp limit!?!? Will that work in this case!? Yup! ok - so, how about a 20' boat with saaaaayyyyy a 250hp outboard motor that could travel at 75mph!?

Like this one: http://www.hydrostream.com/models_voyager.html

(Insert remaining data from situation here and you have your answer). ;)

NEEEEEXT! :)

It has happened before many times, it will happen again. Many years ago I was involved with another lake passing similar limits. At the hearing many residents asked who is going to pay for their useless boats. The unspoken answer was nobody.

Besides a horsepower limit doesn't make your boat worth less. Sell it, or use it elsewhere.

In this accident scenario we are supposing that a speed limit or horsepower limit was in place at that time. I thought that was obvious.

The point is that once you regulate a boat off of the lake it can no longer have accidents here. And a boat that leaves voluntarily because of a speed limit can't be involved in accidents either. Problem Solved!

Are you arguing for even lower HP limits? How do your numbers work for 10 HP. Many NH lakes have 10 HP limits. Personally I think that low is unnecessary.

NO - I am saying that your argument for a horsepower limit offers no potential avoidance for this accident. If he was driving a boat with 1,000 hp or 250hp., he was DRUNK and that was the cause of the accident - not the hp.

And if a particular boat is regulated off or leaves voluntarily - you think that will prevent and solve ANY accidents from happening!? Brotha' - I need some of whatever it is you are smoking - it must be THAT good! :D:rolleye2:

But I thought the speed limit wasn't about regulating a certain type of boat off the lake?

Here we go again!!!

The speed limit is NOT about regulating a certain type of boat of the lake. I support a speed limit.


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As a TOTALLY SEPARATE MATTER I personally believe in a horsepower limit. My idea is a 300 HP limit for boats made after 2008. This idea would keep high performance boats and cruisers from coming to the lake. And, over time, virtually eliminate them.


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Now this is a third TOTALLY SEPARATE ARGUMENT

The recent exchange is about how do you prevent a drunk operating a Cigarette boat at high speed from hitting a cottage and killing people. The answer is simple, don't allow him on the lake in the first place.

It really is but some people just won't admit it no matter how obvious it is

What's to stop a drunk from driving a truck into a house? I guess we should also ban trucks from driving through town so this can't happen either. Man your logic is horrible.

I can't...... ha ha ha ha ha ha still laughing..... ha ha ha ha the silliness, the speculation....:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: too much to compute..... overload..... ha ha ha ha ha

I have another one for you. Maybe if God made the lake different and moved the island slightly to the left..... ha ha ha ha ha

Sorry.... I just can't stop laughing at that post. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Especially because drunks behind the wheel are SO law abiding.

OK ha ha ho ok please give me the made up limits that you have in mind and I will concoct a tale to fit within your numbers. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Still howling... one things for sure this thread has given us some good laughs.

Take a deep breath and think of something not funny. Like the upcoming vote in the Senate.

Then take just a minute to outline a scenario that fits the criteria. Remember they are a drunk operating a Cigarette boat at high speed that ends up hitting a cottage and a triple decapitation, on a lake with a 300 horsepower limit. The horsepower limit is fictional, the rest is factual.

Can someone post a link to any information on this three head decapitation? It's not that I don't beleive it but wow that's one heck of an accident.

Hey thanks you already did it for me.... ha ha ha ha

Three drunks launch a cigarette boat on winni for the day and drive it up on land and die.

Oh wait too improbable for you? I mean three drunks wouldn't disobey a law ould they?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Ok how bout this 3 guys in a 20 foot Skeeter with a 200hp go out fishing for the day. Unfortunately these guys like to drink while they fish. Well after 8-10 beers each they figure what the heck lets see what she'll do. It has gotten dark and they were a bit farther out than they originally planned. On the way back to the docks whamo they hit the shore launch it and at over 70MPH all were killed instantly.

I used a fishng boat for this example because we aren't targeting one type of boat are we BI. ;)


Still laughing at the original post...:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

We are talking about a real accident with a Cigarette boat and three deaths.

So in your scenario the owner didn't know there was a horsepower limit? Or he knew and decided to launch the boat anyway? Nobody at the launch ramp told them about the limit? Nobody called the Marine Patrol when they saw the Cigarette boat on the lake? The Marine Partrol were not in Meredith Bay that day?

So are you dismissing the second scenario? I mean we're not targeting a particular type of boat ARE we? :confused:

Wow the true colors are showing through......

Further clarification to avoid the inevitable. You maintain that the HP limit and Speed Limit would prevent an accident like this. Get a clue it doesn't have to be a "cigarette" boat. I gave you an example but I'm sure they'll be some spin......

...waiting to laugh......again.

BI - Why do you bother with this guy. He is not taking any of this seriously.

Yeah I see Islander, when the wheels are falling off step one is to discredit me by saying, I don't take any of this seriously. WOW!

Whatever.:rolleye2:

So Bear Islander any spin on the latest? Did I answer your question?

For a while I figured he was confused. Didn't realize we were talking about a real accident. Maybe he is drunk.

Yeah thats it keep digging.... It's all you've got now because your credibility is now the joke of the forum..... Sorry but it's true.

Please post a link to the details of this accident. I have never heard of it before, I'd like to see the story. I assume it had to be quite a while back, otherwise it would have been brought up more.

Don't hold your breath..:rolleye2:

Way back in the 70's a Cigarette hit a dock in Gilford at high speed. Went airborne, rolled upside down and landed on a cottage. Three dead. Just one of those high speed fatal accidents you guys tell each other never happened. And it was not boat-to-boat so it doesn't count.

Now please call me a liar so you can eat your words later.