You really should log a formal complaint with the town about this. There are rules in place for the commercial use of a residence. The more people that complain the better. Organize your neighbors. This can be stopped or at least curtailed.

We saw the two planes close together come out of Mirror Lake in the morning. I wondered why they were so close.

Why would have to vote if state turns runway for safety reasons? Makes no sense. Case closed!?

Not sure I’m grasping your comment…..

I continue to follow this thread although at times I wonder why...... Everyone is concerned over a runway being established in 19 mile bay.... weather that happens or not, it doesn't prevent sea planes from landing there..... Just like there is nothing that prevents them from landing on mirror lake.....

I will not say that EPIC handled things correctly... but at the end of the day, way more is being made of this then should be. Currently there is nothing that stops sea planes from landing in 19 mile bay and tying up at the pier. Getting the Runway designation, only means it will be marked on Maps and have an official designation, with the FAA....

That people where upset about the potential for a Sea-Plane base I get.... but for godness sake .... COMPRIMISE, let the runway designation go through....

Well said and agree. Planes can land wherever they want and no problem with that. It’s been that way as long I remember. Somehow the whole business concept of seaplane rides off the town dock slipped into another path.

LI, just to clarify: The petition was filed with the State to BAN seaplanes from 19 Mile Bay in its entirety. I think it will crash and burn (excuse the pun), but here’s the language from the hearing notice just so everyone knows what the NIMBY’s have been cooking up:

STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
DEPARTMENT OF SAFETY
NOTICE OF HEARING

PURSUANT TO RSA 270:12, A PUBLIC HEARING ON A PETITION SEEKING A CLOSURE OF NINETEENMILE BAY ON LAKE WINNIPESAUKEE TO SEAPLANES, IN ITS ENTIRETY, SPECIFICALLY FROM THE WESTERNMOST END OF CHASE POINT, BEHIND THE WEST SIDE OF MELVIN ISLAND AND TO THE WESTERNMOST END OF SAWYER POINT, TUFTONBORO, NEW HAMPSHIRE, WILL BE HELD ON THURSDAY, JULY 7, 2022 AT 7:00 PM, AT THE TUFTONBORO CENTRAL SCHOOL GYMNASIUM, 205 MIDDLE ROAD, CENTER TUFTONBORO, NEW HAMPSHIRE.

TESTIMONY WILL BE ALLOWED THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE FOLLOWING ISSUES:

(1) THE SIZE OF THE BODY OF WATER OR PORTION THEREOF FOR WHICH RULEMAKING ACTION IS BEING CONSIDERED.
(2) THE EFFECT WHICH ADOPTING OR NOT ADOPTING THE RULE (S) WOULD HAVE UPON:
(A) PUBLIC SAFETY;
(B) THE MAINTENANCE OF RESIDENTIAL, RECREATIONAL AND SCENIC VALUES;
(C) THE VARIETY OF USES OF SUCH BODY OF WATER OR PORTION THEREOF;
(D) THE ENVIRONMENT AND WATER QUALITY;
(E) THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES.
(3) THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AFFECTED, EITHER DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY, BY ADOPTING OR NOT ADOPTING THE RULE(S); AND
(4) THE AVAILABILITY AND PRACTICALITY OF ENFORCEMENT OF THE RULE(S).

PERSONS WISHING TO TESTIFY ARE URGED TO COORDINATE THEIR TESTIMONY TO AVOID UNNECESSARY DUPLICATION OR REPETITION. THE DEPARTMENT, WITHIN A PERIOD OF SEVEN (7) DAYS AFTER THE SCHEDULED HEARING, MUST RECEIVE SUBMISSION OF WRITTEN MATERIAL.

AUTHORITY FOR HEARING: RSA 270:12 AND SAF-C 409.

Legislation like that is dangerous......As you say I hope this falls apart at the seams..... Like No Rafting Zones, once the first one is established other area's of the lake will start doing the same....

Personally I love watching sea planes come in and take off.....

noise
 

where are the mufflers on those planes. wonder how they would like if shoe was on the other shoe. very annoying

I have word that a decision has been made in this matter.

Petition denied
 

Thankfully cool heads prevailed.

https://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/...-bay-order.pdf

Thanks for the update, I am glad cooler heads prevailed.... This would have simply been wrong...

If I'm reading that correctly, the petition was to ban seaplanes in 19-Mile Bay and that the petition failed?

I thought the original issue regarded the town docks being adjusted to allow seaplanes to dock there?

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This is a group of people who don't want sea planes landing on the lake. From what I can tell, the hullabaloo came to a head over an operator asking for a dock to be modified so he could occasionally operate to the dock. Coincidently there is a petition to create a seabase on the bay, which would define an area for seaplanes to operate. The problem from what I read is that the DOT already approved the seabase and it is their jurisdiction. This report recommended, for a variety of reasons detailed in the report, not approve the petitioned ban on sea planes.

Maybe I'm a little off base here, but I think old maps of the Lake used to show a seaplane route. As a kid, I remember a seaplane landing on the water and taxiing to his dock along the east side of Alton Bay. I always thought that was sooo cool, flying to their cottage.

I don't think it would be practical now on most parts of the Lake. To much boat traffic. Best wishes to all who support or oppose a dock in 19 Mile Bay.

side note to Up the Saukee... you probably remember the plane and the owner. Well known car dealer in MA.

Me too! Have enjoyed watching them all my life. I enjoy the sound as well.

close call today with seaplane
 

It was a close call.... We were coming out of Pier 19 marina today when a seaplane took off right in front of us. We had to turn to avoid him other wise we would have been coming across in front of him. He was not in our danger zone but he certainly was in our danger zone. He was in a stand by encounter situation. He didn't have any regard for the marine rules of the road. He is suppose to have a boating license because seaplanes what I have been told must obey boating regulations just like a boat. As he went by us you could tell he was looking up to take off. There was no way he could see what was in front of him. Two paddle boarders had to drop off their boards otherwise they too were in a potential run over by a seaplane.

What would you do in this situation? Wait till the seaplane returned to where he is picking up paying passengers to tell him what happened to you? Or just report the incident to marine patrol or even the FAA?
Just curious what would be the appropriate reporting agency?

If the incident needs to be reported, I would start with the Marine Patrol.... they can make the decision, or advise you if it needs to go the the FAA.... I would make sure you have the tail number of the plane, as that is its identifier.....

If he didn’t clear his take off his run before starting he is not meeting his responsibilities under his seaplane license. In this case I would report to FAA. You will need the planes’ I’d number.

On the other hand, boaters should not to cross his path once he has started his run regardless if they have “right of way.” Once he starts his takeoff run he has many things to be watching and can’t devote 100% of his time to watching for boaters and it is much more difficult, & potentially dangerous, for the plane to suddenly have to take evasive maneuvers. It is kind of like deferring to a larger craft because you are more maneuverable. It should never turn into an “but I had the right of way” accident.


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This is exactly why it is wrong to promote increased seaplane use in a busy area

I think if you review what happened it will clearly be the boaters fault.
You can’t say you dident know he was preparing to take off. The plane makes egnough noise and spray that people a mile away know what’s going on.
You can’t say you dident know his course. Once he starts the run it’s a straight line to takeoff.
Perhaps your desire to get rid of seaplanes on the lake was the real obstacle here.

The first time I pushed the quote button on your post the "thanks" appeared, now it says I don't have permission to remove. Anyway, I'm having trouble understanding this post.



"He was not in our danger zone but he was certainly in our danger zone." What does that mean?

He was in a "stand by" situation, again what does that mean?

" Two paddle boarders had to drop off their boards otherwise they too were in a potential run over by a seaplane. " Paddle boards move at maybe 4 or 5 mph, dropping off the board, will not prevent a collision with an aircraft accelerating to take off. Maybe they were enjoying the show?

Pilots taking off do not look up, they look in front of them which includes where a potential collision would occur.

I'm sorry, it just doesn't make sense.

Umm.... you might need a refresher course on the laws especially regarding Seaplanes! In NH, Seaplanes exempt from ALL laws and rules concerning the operation of boats for the purpose of landing and taking off from public waters. If you put yourself in a crossing situation with a Seaplane, it is definitely on you!

https://casetext.com/statute/new-ham...-public-waters

Woodsy

Separate from the law and whether chasedawg's in need of a refresher--you seem to be implying that adding more seaplane traffic to a heavily boated area is the boaters' problem. Have you been to 19 Mile Bay on a summer weekend? Always plenty of boats, many with captains I would bet are much less knowledgable than most on this forum. This is a really bad accident just waiting to happen

To answer your question, yes, I have been to 19 Mile Bay on busy weekends. (I like the fried chicken available across the street) and it's a cool place to hang. However, I am implying no such thing about Seaplane traffic... Your post however seems to be implying that area is only open to boats and Seaplanes are unwelcome. Seaplanes have just as much right to use 19 Mile bay (or any place on the lake) as anyone else. Personally, I would rather have the runway marked on a chart to make me aware of possible Seaplane operations. There has been one in Paugus Bay for as long as I can remember.

Woodsy

That's fair. Like you, I did not mean to imply more than I wrote. My concern is that marking it on a chart is likely to increase seaplane traffic, and I don't think that's safe in that area in the summer, even if there is a legal right to do so

This thread is going back in circles... The concern remains the same, is there enough room in 19 mile bay for both Sea Plane and boat traffic, and will a designated running in the bay cause more sea plane traffic. So lets ask our selves a question or two:

1. what would draw in the sea plane traffic with a designated runway?
2. Are their adequate facilities to tie up sea planes?

When you think about those two questions, really 19 mile bay isn't that attractive. Now if facilities where put in place to make a more ideal situation for Sea Planes to dock temporarily maybe there would be an argument that the store could be a draw for people. But Honestly that is it.... And I don't think the store is going to be able to add docking to allow that to happen....

At the end of the day, this is just something to needlessly squabble about...People need to just let this go..... A simple question was raise, on who to report a perceived wrong doing to.... I left my suggestion, and then the debate started again.... let it rest...

I don't have a seaplane rating, but a designated runway would be counterproductive considering the vocal opposition to seaplanes. I can see it now, if the waterway was approved and charted, these people would then be upset at seaplanes landing outside of the designated runway. There are probably at least thousands of seaplane operations a day in the US, accidents are rare and collisions with boats or other objects are even more rare. Probably a better chance of being struck by lightning, definitely a better chance of being injured driving a car.

With 468-posts, and counting, so far, in this thread ....... has the Epic Seaplane Adventures website ..... www.epicseaplaneadventures.com ...... or ..... www.facebook.com/epicseaplaneadventures ..... made it into this thread, yet?

Knowing very little about float planes other that they are intended for landing on a smooth lake water surface in remote areas without a landing strip/airport, this old red & white float plane is a very happening looking, small float plane.

Laconia Municipal Airport in Gilford, NH has a 5890-foot paved runway, very usable by large jet airplanes and has no regularly scheduled commercial passenger airline service so it is always 24/7, 100% available for landing and take-offs by private planes.

Is about ten air miles flight from Nineteen Mile Bay on Lake Winnipesaukee?