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New seaplane service just announced between Boston and New York. No problem with seaplanes in either of these locations, but of course 19 Mike Bay in Tuftonboro, NH is a lot busier than Boston Harbor and New York’s East River….:rolleye1:
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There was constant noise almost every half hour recently at dinner time from a seaplane taking off/landing this past week in the Mirror Lake community- if that's what will happen at 19 Mile Bay, people will be mighty upset.
If people wanted to live near an airport, it probably wouldn't bother them- otherwise, I imagine there will be some pushback. To my recollection, the original premise from the owner was to build his business up because of Covid concerns in case his main job dissolved. We haven't heard whether his original concerns have vanished, but I have seen a common thread/response by him to anyone who opposes his plans. If the Forum Admin was able to research the sign-in names of several that are 'pro-Epic', it appears that the same person is behind them. I believe that Tuftonboro residents are willing to go to bat against the proposal. |
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I don't believe the people that are against it, think there isn't enough space for both boat and plane out on the water. It's at the dock that is an issue. Of course I could be totally wrong. Maybe he should buy or rent a slip and run a launch between dock and boat.... just an idea. |
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There have been dozens of posters on other threads complaining about wake boats' wakes and noise. I'm surprised you don't remember. |
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Regarding wake boats, noise, wakes etc.: OK, there have been numerous threads on here about it, but that's where it ends. No organized efforts to combat loud music and rid 19 Mile Bay of these boats and their associated noise. |
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There has been organized opposition to wake boats. It was beaten back, as these things often are, by industry lobbying that stacked the deck against real action. You might Google NH wake boat commission or something like that. Look at the composition of the committee. Try not to laugh/cry at the idea of that particular group of people representing the general public's view on wake boats. |
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Nobody here has any issue with his access to state waters....seaplanes have been here many years. The issue is using a public dock to operate a commercial business from and the liability exposure the town and its taxpayers have from accidents, incidents or injuries. If he wants to use his own dock or the store owner wants to use hers...they can.. |
Additionally, a dock with limited boat access as it stands at present.
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If your only issue is "using a public dock to operate a commercial business....", then what does a decibel reading have to do with Epic using the Tuftonboro Town Dock? |
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Help me understand.......
if you have taken a party up for a ride and the public dock fills with boats having lunch, buying ice cream, launching boats, etc.......what do you do when you land and you have another party waiting to go up?
Do you just idle around the no wake buoy until something opens up? That seems dangerous if that prop is spinning around. Not to mention loud and creating lots of exhaust. If you choose to float around further out in the bay, you will be certain to get passed over by other boats sneaking into the dock in front of you. If and when a spot does open up.....it maybe something inbound and difficult for you to get into safely. You could literally get stuck out there for quite a while. I have gone there many times on the weekend and not been able to dock......and waited 30 plus minutes or just turned around and left. That's with an easily maneuverable boat, not a plane. Thoughts? |
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I believe that is because the only answer is holding space. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
The only smoke screen here is being put out by Epic himself. He says he does not plan to”run his business here”, but in reality he really can not tell us how frequently he will be using the dock because he has no idea how much business he will get. If he say anything else he is simple lying. He has no idea but if we allow him to use the public dock for “occasional “ use then the precedent is set and there is nothing stopping him from using it more and more. This is the real danger here and this is what everyone should be concerned with. Plain and simple, if you want to operate a business here do it from the store’s private dock. Otherwise you are not welcome here and I for one will do whatever it takes to block it.
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This boat gasoline business is a bit different @ Pier 19 as it is not located at the outer end of a typical dock, rather it is located at the inner land side end of a separate, privately owned condominium space dock (with a locked access gate). In fact, some boaters unfamiliar with the area may not even know that gasoline is even available for purchase there due to lack of visibility approaching from 19 Mile Bay. With that said, the only option is the Town owned dock and that dock would need some minor alteration in order to accommodate an aircraft...... and it doesn't appear that the Town is too anxious to allow that. Therefore I believe it is highly unlikely for any of this to actually happen. |
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Well isn’t that a shame?
So how then does it become the town’s issue simply because she doesn’t have the infrastructure? Plain and simply, it doesn’t. No commercial planes at the town dock. When this goes to the town vote this will be dead. Unfortunately we need to listen to Epic’s rants until then. |
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Been hearing a lot of seaplane trips for the past month and wondered if there was a new ad somewhere-
Today, at the Pier 19 store, there's an ad on the window- it has Epic's plane photos, a phone number, email, and how to book online. Maybe all he needed was advertising there and he doesn't need the dock anymore... |
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Question,
I see on the website that the seaplane or in reality Float Plane is based on mirror lake. I’m curious as to what the residents think of having this based there. I see them and others come into our area a lot now and like seeing them but rolling up next to us and departing close by I may think differently. |
Epic will tell ya everyone on Mirror Lake loves him and has no issues with him taking off multiple times a day. Talk to many of his neighbors and you will get a completely different story. A few vocal people who support him will say on social media all is fine however many Mirror Lake residents are fed up but do not want to publicly state their displeasure and are voicing their concerns behind the scenes.
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How is this any different than the Mount Washington, Winnipesaukee Belle, Millie B, Lake Life, and who knows who else use the Wolfeboro town docks to generate revenue. As far as I know those are public docks owned by the town to generate revenue for a private business. I'm sure they might pay for that right to use the docks but, I don't see anyone getting all worked up over it. What's the difference?
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There are comments above about the Pier 19 store/Epic creating new docks for their businesses, which I think is a fine idea. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk |
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The seaplane pilot decided to land right in the middle of the Wolfeboro Bay boat race coarse on Saturday. Thankfully, it was during a break in the racing. He tried to park at the public docks which were reserved for the race boats. He was told that he could not, so he beached the plane on the private beach next to the docks and tied it to a tree. He was told he could not take off until the race was over (4 hours), but sure enough, 2 hours later he was on the move. I saw Marine Patrol taking to him but I don't know what was done. I guess rules don't apply to seaplanes.
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Camp Belknap has joined the with yet another attorney...
At the board of selectman's meeting Monday September 13 Chip Albee identified Camp Belknap's intention to enter this issue with yet another lawsuit and with more legal bills for the town, the store and the owner of the sea plane.
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It is nice to see that the community is opening their eyes to the fact that there are a lot of seaplanes around and that they can operate safely, and coexist even in a crazy environment like a boat race. I'm assuming the seaplane didn't have an accident or get ticketed for doing anything illegal? Glad everything worked out fine. Glad he had the sense to not land during the race (good decision) and glad he didn't destroy his airplane by coming into the docks with the high dock posts, but chose the beach instead! |
I live near Logan airport most of the year, so I understand the noise factor.
However, I love being outside on the deck looking up at planes of all sizes flying overhead. When I'm at the lake for my 2 weeks in the summer, I love seeing a seaplane. Once a helicopter flew by our dock about 25 ft. altitude. I thought it was kinda cool. Also made sure nothing was wrong.(found out later that there's a private heliport in Gilford or somewhere else nearby). It amazes me that when the Green Mountain Boys are up there doing drills no one has a problem w/ the noise. Yes, it's comforting that the civil air patrol is up there, and I see (and hear) alot of B52 flyovers at my house. I believe there are sightseeing tours now, but I think the pilot's based out of Laconia. I'll get down from my soapbox now... good luck. Hope an outcome is happy for all. |
This is awesome. Thank you Camp Belknap!
It definitely was not Epic at the races. I ran the tail number. Epic , you have balls calling out Chip. Not much brains, but balls. Randy, you will never peacefully coexist with the camp. Just sell them your half of the island and move on. Tired of seeing your posts slamming them . |
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The camp’s attorney also noted that they are raising safety issues with a runway in 19-mile bay with the appropriate state officials. |
Mirror Lake-bring ear protection
We live on Mirror Lake and have been woken up by the noise the plane makes as it roars over houses during takeoff and landing. Last fall, the plane took off and landed 3 times on one day and 4 on another. How can there be a commercial company operating in an area zoned residential? There are many others on the lake that feel that the plane disturbs the quiet nature of the lake and belongs elsewhere.
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i understand there was a 19 mile bay seaplane hearing last night in Tuftonboro with T-tee shirts SAYING RUNWAY? NOW WAY.!
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It was a fantastic turnout. Majority of folks were locals and against the runway except for Epic and his out of town cronies that came to sing his praises.
The meeting was put on by the state not Tuftonboro. The main purpose was safety. The lawyer for the case against the runway was amazing. Someone is bankrolling this and it shows. He made all valid safety concerns and the state is now going to consider all points raised. This action by the state will certainly help the town when it’s time for them to consider Epic’s commercial use of the Pier. I can’t wait till this goes to a town vote. If the meeting turnout is any indication, there is no way this will pass. Next up we need to ban Epic from using his Mirror Lake residence for commercial purposes. Lots of his neighbors are pissed off. Oh, and to show what kind of person he is there were two seaplanes doing touch and goes on 19 mile bay this morning. I guess someone is not happy with the way the meeting went. |
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