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Waterbaby
05-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Just saw this on the news.............

http://www.wmur.com/news/19422286/detail.html

tis
05-10-2009, 06:44 PM
Yes, I tried to post it earlier, but for the life of me couldn't remember how to start a new thread! I knew if I didn't post certain people would feel those of us on this side of the lake had let them down again!
Anyway, she was the nurse at Carpenter School, (grades one through 3) a very nice, well liked lady. She has five kids and I feel so sorry for those kids. Their lives are surely going to change. She was divorced. The rest is all rumor so will wait til more is out.

Skip
05-11-2009, 05:09 AM
A few more details, plus the deceased's identity, can be read this morning at the Union Leader HERE. (http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Police+probe+Wolfeboro+homic ide&articleId=db91ed94-fcb5-4df8-bd94-f5d8df6685bd)

Grant
05-11-2009, 04:12 PM
As I was heading into Wolfeboro for something to grill yesterday afternoon, I noticed three police cruisers and an SUV in front of that house, which was surrounded with crime scene tape, and a number of law enforcement officers talking at the base of the driveway (one was apparently a detective, in a suit, with shield hanging from suit pocket).

Early this morning (Monday) a State Trooper was stationed at the bottom of the driveway, and a WMUR satellite van was out in front of the Wolfeboro police station. So I picked up a copy of the Citizen and read the news.

The latest is that she died of stab wounds. Still no arrest. Mother of five, and reportedly well-liked in the community. Tragic and sad. Let's hope they nail the perp ASAP.

tomboymom
05-12-2009, 07:23 PM
Stacey Burns. Friend, Super-Mom, School Nurse and generous communty member.

To know her...even a bit...was to love her. Her loss is a tragedy that will echo here for many years. Longer for her 5 beloved children.

That smile, that throaty laugh, that ever optomistic attitude and 100% love and enthusiasm for all children.

Our hearts are heavy.

Coolbreeze
05-12-2009, 09:13 PM
I hope justice prevails swiftly and those involved in the loss of this life get their due; and without the media frenzy. Those kids don't need anymore grief in their lives.

Waterbaby
05-12-2009, 10:13 PM
Stacey Burns. Friend, Super-Mom, School Nurse and generous communty member.

To know her...even a bit...was to love her. Her loss is a tragedy that will echo here for many years. Longer for her 5 beloved children.

That smile, that throaty laugh, that ever optomistic attitude and 100% love and enthusiasm for all children.

Our hearts are heavy.

I never knew her, I recognized the house on the news (having spent many summers at the end of Lake Street in Wolfeboro) -- my heart and prayers go out to you, her friends and family, and most especially her children. What an awful thing, on Mother's Day in particular.

codeman671
05-12-2009, 10:48 PM
There are lots of rumors floating around in Wolfeboro right now pertaining to the Police and their reactions that morning prior to the incident. It will be interesting to see what really shakes out.

An awful tragedy indeed. Those poor kids...

NHDOLFAN
05-13-2009, 07:47 AM
I am curious to what rumors you have heard regarding police reaction.

tis
05-13-2009, 02:06 PM
Codeman, that is interesting. I have heard so many rumors it seems one a minute, things like who was there , how they found her, how she looked, what she and the kids had been doing the night before, suspects etc. but NONE about the police handling of the situation.
I am not sure I have ever seen as many cars and people at the police station as there were that afternoon when they were questioning people. I thought maybe they were waiting for news and later found out they were being questioned. So it LOOKED like the police were doing their job.

tis
05-13-2009, 02:49 PM
I was called and asked to post the following: ( Someone has since said that if you can drop it off in person, it would be best, but if you need to mail a donation to the bank, call the bank in Wolfeboro first to see where to mail it. There are some mailing issues.) If you don't live in Wolfeboro, you can leave it at any Citizens Bank just specify that it is for the Carpenter/Crescent Lake PTO Burns Family Donation Fund.

The Carpenter/Crescent Lake School PTO has set up the Carpenter/Crescent Lake School PTO Burns Family Donation Fund at Citizens Bank in Wolfeboro. This fund is to benefit the Burns family children. For those who wish to donate, please do so at Citizens Bank in Wolfeboro.


Please pass this on, and post on your blogs and forums.


Thank you for helping to bring our community together in a time of crisis.


Deanna Cayon
Kelly Demain
Carpenter/Crescent Lake School PTO Co-Presidents

codeman671
05-13-2009, 03:04 PM
The stories I heard were pertaining to the PD actions prior to, not after.

I am not one to spread rumors, but a bit of what I heard was that it was an ex-boyfriend with psych issues that she just broke up with that morning. He was hanging out in front of the house acting suspicious. Calls had been made to the PD to make him go away but they did not respond since there was no restraining order. Multiple calls had been placed as he got closer to the house and tried to get in with little or no response from the PD. He entered the house through an open back door and killed her. She was found by a 14 year old child.

Again, I don't know the truth behind it but if it is i can't imagine this would not look good for the PD. I hope this story is not true, yet then again no matter how it was different the outcome is still horrific.

In Wolfeboro???

secondcurve
05-13-2009, 04:59 PM
Is the suspect in custody?

LakesRegionSpirit
05-13-2009, 05:11 PM
As a former journalist in the area, I think there needs to be great care taken in providing "information" based on "rumors." Much more goes on in the processing of these events than most could ever imagine.
If for no other reason than out of respect for the family and friends.

Lakesrider
05-13-2009, 05:24 PM
She should have had a Home Defense shot gun. No police needed.
I have two in my home. I have to wonder why the door was left open, if true.
I mean if several calls were made that the guy was trying to get in, that any door was not bolted shut, especially with kids inside. And if several calls were made by neighbors, did no one in the neighborhood take this guy on themselves. That just pisses me off.

If neighbors had actually called, and this rumor is true, and the cops never showed, then someone should have simply blocked main street with their car until the cops did show up. People need to stand up and help their neighbors.
Maybe that woman might still be alive.

old coot
05-13-2009, 05:41 PM
Don't try mailing your donation to the Citizen's Bank in Wolfeboro - they simply won't get it. Instead hand deliver your donation or call the Citizen's Bank Office in Wolfeboro for instructions. (603) 569-1221.
Anything mailed to them goes to the dead letter office and eventually is returned to the sender!!!
oc

tis
05-13-2009, 06:41 PM
I believe her door was almost always open. She was a very warm, open person and her house was always open to the kids and her friends. They went in and out. I don't think that's true that she had just broken up with that guy that morning codeman. I heard she had been going out with someone else for a short while. But she had been dating him previously and they had broken up and I heard she had seen him the night before. Again, rumors. I even hesitate to say that -as who knows which stories are true.

codeman671
05-13-2009, 10:13 PM
I don't think that's true that she had just broken up with that guy that morning codeman. I heard she had been going out with someone else for a short while. But she had been dating him previously and they had broken up and I heard she had seen him the night before. Again, rumors. I even hesitate to say that -as who knows which stories are true.

No clue, as mentioned it was a rumor. That is why I was skeptical to even post it. I don't know any of the parties involved, just someone that lives local to her which is where it came from.

The calls came from her as I heard, not a neighbor.

dpg
05-14-2009, 07:24 AM
She should have had a Home Defense shot gun. No police needed.
I have two in my home. I have to wonder why the door was left open, if true.
I mean if several calls were made that the guy was trying to get in, that any door was not bolted shut, especially with kids inside. And if several calls were made by neighbors, did no one in the neighborhood take this guy on themselves. That just pisses me off.

If neighbors had actually called, and this rumor is true, and the cops never showed, then someone should have simply blocked main street with their car until the cops did show up. People need to stand up and help their neighbors.
Maybe that woman might still be alive.

This is a serious thing to involve yourself in and most people would not. I mean I might call the police on her behalf and talk with them but approach someone, I'm just not sure. There are some strange people out there capable of anything. I own firearms also and shooting someone almost never ends up with an outcome to your benefit. It's easy to talk about what should of been done now after the fact. Personally I feel IF the police were called and told about someone hanging out they should respond. I mean come were they just too busy?? More tax dollars at its best. :(

wifi
05-14-2009, 07:35 AM
Not taking sides, just some interesting reading for the curious. Google will yield many more results:

http://psacake.com/dial_911.asp

http://www.franconianh.org/app/images/stories/pdf/king_press_statement.pdf
In particular to the above: "The court stated that the town has no affirmative duty to respond to any complaint of a citizen pursuant to RSA 91-A"

aahhheeemmm...

fatlazyless
05-14-2009, 07:48 AM
Yeah, too bad I wasn't there. I would-a rolled a nice thick, sticky coat of Benjamin Moore grey oil paint, all across his eyes, just so's he couldn't see anything. And then he would a-got covered with all black flies and no-see-ums, too!:cool:

Seems like people can take themselves right up to the edge of the cliff with their money troubles, and then powered up by a few beers or liquor, they jump off the edge thinking they just do not care, or possibly they are just not thinking, and go do something they know is wrong.

Her death has got to be one of the saddest events ever to hit Wolfeboro.

Happy Gourmand
05-14-2009, 08:03 AM
Postulating and assessing blame based on speculation and rumors. Lacking any substantial facts, I feel that the only appropriate comments should be directed towards sympathy for this tragic incident and concern and support for family and friends of the deceased.
Respect and consideration for the family should prevail at this point.

fatlazyless
05-14-2009, 12:07 PM
Today's Laconia Citizen has a lengthy article, "Divorce records show slain woman's troubled union", by John Quinn (http://tinyurl.com/o47tgx), on page B4. Don't know if it is in the www.citizen.com website, plus my links never-ever seem to work.

Good, well researched article and worth the 50 cents, too!

gokart-mozart
05-14-2009, 01:20 PM
There are so many rumors around town now it's hard to keep track of them. It IS quite interesting, however, that the obvious suspect (the ex husband) has not been arrested - there must be a reason or reasons to hold off on doing that.

SIKSUKR
05-15-2009, 08:52 AM
After reading that Citizen article, Ed Burns sounds like quite a guy.:(

LIforrelaxin
05-15-2009, 02:40 PM
...from the Wolfeboro rumor mill department...that other forum in Wolfeboro has some posts referring to a 'she' suspect which would be a shocker.........difficult to believe?

Here is the problem with rumor mills..... they are just rumors..... why can't people just wait for actuall details to be released.....

ApS
05-15-2009, 08:43 PM
Look at what already been officially released:

1) The police say there is NO DANGER to the public. :confused:

2) and NO NAME has been released. :confused: :confused:

Logically, there's only one circumstance that fits that equation that can't be based on a rumor.

After reading that Citizen article, Ed Burns sounds like quite a guy.:(
The article reads as though the media have gone through records of the Burns' divorce proceedings. Typical. There's probably more "style" than "substance" to it.

Mr. V
05-16-2009, 03:53 PM
The article reads as though the media have gone through records of the Burns' divorce proceedings. Typical. There's probably more "style" than "substance" to it.

Yes, statements of parties, friends, and family members in divorce cases should NOT be deemed as reliable sources of information.

People undergoing a bitter, contested divorce have the opportunity, the motive, and the forum to lie through their teeth about their divorcing spouse, and as their hearts are "broken" at the time, their veracity is beyond suspect.

Sure, they swear to tell the truth under the penalty of perjury, but most lie through their teeth, and with impunity.

Hey, why not: it works.

Now, the police officers comments in a criminal case, his report: that information is worth looking at, but I'd disregard the allegations of a scorned spouse vents in a divorce, or at least take them with a huge grain of salt.

Their venom is entertaining, toxically so in fact, but certainly not reliable.

SAMIAM
05-17-2009, 08:56 AM
Good post WIFI and very true.Every year there are thousands of crimes prevented by gun owning homeowners that mostly go unreported by the press.Violent home invasions are almost unheard of around here and are almost always the result of a domestic situation.
Don't think they'd want to come to my house....trust me.

Coolbreeze
05-18-2009, 09:24 PM
I'm sure by now the police have a good idea of who they want to talk to before going and arresting someone on a whim. If they do arrest the perp without strong enough information, any good lawyer can get him/her off in a reasonable amount of time.
Sometimes silence is golden and things have a way of working themselves out. If the guy of interest flees, there's your man. If he shoots off his mouth about what he did, a first degree murder case is almost a sure win. Does New Hampshire opt for the death penalty for 1st degree premeditatied murder?

God help those innocent kids.

Ropetow
05-18-2009, 11:36 PM
Does New Hampshire opt for the death penalty for 1st degree premeditatied murder?

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/26/death.penalty.abolish/

ApS
05-19-2009, 06:49 PM
"...I'm sure by now the police have a good idea of who they want to talk to before going and arresting someone on a whim..."
It's possible that the subject is being held in a detention facility or State/County jail, having already been arrested on charges unrelated to this murder.

ETA: I may need to mention what I do for a living—maybe not.

Heaven
05-20-2009, 06:15 PM
It's possible that the subject is being held in a detention facility or State/County jail, having already been arrested on charges unrelated to this murder.

Seems like a person "gone missing" would be obvious to us, short of being a random stranger crime.

tis
05-20-2009, 06:39 PM
I agree, I would be very surprised if it is not someone we don't know. I am just scared of who it is! I don't want it to be any of the men or women I have heard mentioned. We are all ready to have it over and done with though.

ApS
05-22-2009, 05:58 PM
"...Seems like a person "gone missing" would be obvious to us, short of being a random stranger crime..."It would be, but the murder case could be jeopardized if any legally-improper connection were made to that subject.

Although the details will come out eventually, the AG shouldn't divulge that kind of information now: Think back to when you've read, "The subject was previously in jail on another charge".

If he's been improperly questioned by police while behind bars, the jury is more likely to convict him based on reputation rather than on the evidence presented of the crime charged. (Improving chances of an appeal).

"...Sometimes silence is golden and things have a way of working themselves out..."I'm both frustrated and impressed by the silence from the Attorney General's office: Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeffrey Strelzin must run a tight ship. (So, yes). ;)

"...Does New Hampshire opt for the death penalty for 1st degree premeditated murder?
Yes...and...no (http://www.nhpr.org/node/5663). :confused:

As yet, however, there are no indications that this is a premeditated murder.

Here is the problem with rumor mills..... they are just rumors..... why can't people just wait for actual details to be released.....
I'm reading locally that the silence is creating uncertainty and fright among some Wolfeboroians.

Although I'm going to contradict every Wolfeboro blog and forum AGAIN, the word from the Attorney General's Office is that:
"...there is no indication the public is at risk (http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090513/GJNEWS_01/705139929)..."

Cowgirlnh
05-24-2009, 07:56 AM
Here we go again.

The commonly known main suspects are not behind bars because they're out and about around town.

It sure seeems premeditated. One person was targeted by someone who entered the house in the dead of night. Given no arrests yet, it seems fair to state they came prepared and left little damning evidence behind. Given the violence of the scene, someone who hadn't thought through their actions ahead of time would certainly have left DNA, fingerprints, or footprints in the horror that was that room.

And for someone who is so quick to claim the media bends the truth, why don't you try posting Strezlin's entire quote from day one after the murder?
Strelzin stated, "I have no information that would indicate the public is at risk as a result of this incident, but it is early on."

fatlazyless
05-24-2009, 08:31 AM
Got to wonder if Stacey Burns' stabbing murder in the middle of the night could be related to the recent local guy's drug arrest in Illinois, where his pickup truck with 900-lbs of marijuana was initially stopped for speeding while going only 5mph above the 65mph limit on an Illinois interstate highway (if I remember correct)? Is there a cause and effect link between the two, or just a small town-very low crime, type of an odd timing coincidence?

As you probably recall, he was a former Wolfeboro police commissioner which I believe is a politically elected, local town position and very different than a state certified, local police officer.
......

Today's May 25 Boston Globe has a perspective type of an article; "Crimes jolt N.H. tourist town" written by two lady reporters.

ApS
05-24-2009, 11:53 AM
"...Wonder if Stacey Burns' murder could be related to the recent local guy's drug arrest in Illinois, where his pickup truck with 900-lbs of marijuana was initially stopped for speeding...Is there a cause and effect link between the two, or just a small town-very low crime, type of an odd timing coincidence...?
That's being discussed—as are those who put up bail in that case.

"...why don't you try posting Strezlin's entire quote from day one after the murder? Strelzin stated, "I have no information that would indicate the public is at risk as a result of this incident, but it is early on."
Because the only media using that "but it is early on" phrase is The Granite State News??? :rolleye1:

Given the choice of Strelzin's quotes, the preferable one is the one that gives the public more peace of mind: The full link at Fosters is a somewhat more reliable source: :rolleye2:

http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090513/GJNEWS_01/705139929

"...Given the violence of the scene, someone who hadn't thought through their actions ahead of time would certainly have left DNA, fingerprints, or footprints in the horror that was that room..."
1) DNA and fingerprints can be worthless if that person was entitled to be in the house previously. Footprints are an under-utilized piece of evidence: The case can completely hinge on it.

2) In a different case (http://tinyurl.com/CW-http-www-breitbart-com-a), when a New York State Forensic Investigator was recently murdered, it still took that state weeks to make the arrest of the most-likely suspect!

3) At this late date, I'm confident that the State's crime scene technicians have everything they can possibly collect: This is going to be one very "CSI-intensive" case, based on what has appeared here just today. Today, it's not so much a "who-dunnit", as a "which-one dunnit".

4) Locard's Principle of Exchange states "when a crime is committed the killer will always leave some evidence at the scene and take some evidence away with him."

That police divers have searched Wolfeboro's Lake Winnipesaukee's waters means this perpetrator hasn't heard of Dr. Edmond Locard.:cool:

Cowgirlnh
05-25-2009, 09:18 AM
My statement was to refute your claim that there was no indication this was premeditated.
Someone stealthing into a house at night, killing, and getting away clean at least 2+ weeks later had thought about their actions. To me, it seems premeditated.

fatlazyless
05-25-2009, 10:46 AM
The Boston Globe just raised its' NH daily price to 1.50 so's no one in the lakes region can afford it anymore. Like, what good is a newspaper if nobody reads it? Down on a lower corner of today's front page, the Globe has a Wolfeboro sidewalk photo of a few people walking past Dive Winnipesaukee and Yankee Pedlar. Check out the after-story, email comments....it's a wild web world....

Could someone create a working link to today's Boston Globe May 25 article "Crimes jolt N.H. tourist town" written by two lady reporters. It's lengthy and speaks to the town's emotional side of this incredibly bad crime.

Heaven
05-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Globe article not worth the paper it was printed on, don't bother buying. Re-hash of all the other articles/statements to date.

pats fan
05-25-2009, 03:12 PM
Got to wonder if Stacey Burns' stabbing murder in the middle of the night could be related to the recent local guy's drug arrest in Illinois, where his pickup truck with 900-lbs of marijuana was initially stopped for speeding while going only 5mph above the 65mph limit on an Illinois interstate highway (if I remember correct)? Is there a cause and effect link between the two, or just a small town-very low crime, type of an odd timing coincidence?I don't live in Wolfeboro so I only get my news about this death from Winnipesaukee.com. What is the connection or possible connection between the two? Who are suspects? Any new news that an ousider would not know about?

tis
05-25-2009, 04:42 PM
patsfan-noone here knows anything for sure, but you are not alone in your thinking. Some people have said we may find drugs are involved. I do know that the person arrested for drugs was at her house after the crime and at the funeral. But does that mean anything? We just all want answers. People are growing impatient, so I hope they figure it out soon. Of course not so soon that they get the wrong person!

mcdude
05-25-2009, 05:59 PM
Here's the link to the GLOBE STORY (http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2009/05/25/crimes_jolt_nh_tourist_town/)

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2009/05/24/1243220625_6279/300h.jpg

old coot
05-25-2009, 06:08 PM
The Town of Wolfeboro has found some less than needed additional notoriety in the struggling Boston Globe! The Illinois arrest of one of the town’s former police commissioners who was arrested with 900 pounds of pot in the back of his pickup truck and the brutal stabbing of resident Stacey Burns are the main topics of the Globe’s article. These two headline producing events haven’t been linked together by other than private speculation. Of course that’s the problem here in Wolfeboro. Law enforcement hasn’t linked either crime to anything!

Ropetow
05-25-2009, 08:25 PM
Globe article not worth the paper it was printed on, don't bother buying. Re-hash of all the other articles/statements to date.

That is true of the Globe in general these days. Used to be worth it for the sports section, but now the Herald and WEEI.com have better coverage.

lulu59
05-25-2009, 08:29 PM
Well, we enter day 15 with no arrest. How can there be no DNA? How can there be so much speculation and so little activity??
At the funeral? At the house? Out on &500,000 bail? 900lbs. of weed and no prior record? 71 year old lady along for the ride as a guise??
Soon, all will be exposed. And what you thought was small town USA.
http://www.granitestatenews.com/Articles-c-2009-04-29-148407.113119_Former_police_commissioner_Lowry_arr ested_in_Illinois.html

Heaven
05-26-2009, 12:14 PM
Well,we enter day 15 with no arrest.How can there be no DNA?How can there be so much speculation and so little activity??
At the funeral?At the house?Out on &500,000 bail?900lbs. of weed and no prior record?71 year old lady along for the ride as a guise??
Soon,all will be exposed.And what you thought was small town USA.
http://www.granitestatenews.com/Articles-c-2009-04-29-148407.113119_Former_police_commissioner_Lowry_arr ested_in_Illinois.html
Nobody said there was no DNA.

SAMIAM
05-26-2009, 12:32 PM
How tough can it be. There are two suspects. One has an alibi and one does not. I hate to go up there and take over the investigation, but it's been two weeks.
The coroner can pinpoint the time of death so I might be looking for the person who can not verify his wereabouts at that time.

tis
05-26-2009, 12:40 PM
Somebody said today it takes three weeks to get the DNA results back. Maybe that is what they are waiting for. But you would think there would be no harm in telling us that. There are more than two suspects, Sam. I have heard at least 7 names. But I do wish you would come up here and straighten them out! It is time to get something done!
And then another sad thing today, one of the people killed in Effingham was the son of a local landscaper who lives on Rte. 109A. Not to get off topic, but I guess I did.

fatlazyless
05-26-2009, 04:05 PM
One half million dollars in bail seems like a lot of money. Probably, there's some payment info in the court records that could be public information, available to a newspaper reporter. Some smart reporter should follow that money trail.

If Wolfeboro were part of the LaDaSun's news beat, they'd be on this, all day and night, like Sherlock Holmes. Is Wolfeboro in a news warp or does it just seem that way?

Argie's Wife
05-26-2009, 04:18 PM
One half million dollars in bail seems like a lot of money. Probably, there's some payment info in the court records that could be public information, available to a newspaper reporter. Some smart reporter should follow that money trail.

If Wolfeboro were part of the LaDaSun's news beat, they'd be on this, all day and night, like Sherlock Holmes. Is Wolfeboro in a news warp or does it just seem that way?

Do you realize you just used "LaDaSun" and "news" in the same sentence? Yeah... I didn't think so.

Although it's just a weekly paper, The Baysider does a good job accurately reporting things - silly thing tho, papers can only report the info that's released to them. There's something called "The Right To Know" law (RSA 91) that has some limits to it, ya know. I think reputation is part of that law - so that's why the police can't say too much... I'm gonna trust that the WPD is doing their job and we'll know more when it's available for the info to be released... :)

Cowgirlnh
05-26-2009, 05:34 PM
How tough can it be. There are two suspects. One has an alibi and one does not. I hate to go up there and take over the investigation, but it's been two weeks.
The coroner can pinpoint the time of death so I might be looking for the person who can not verify his wereabouts at that time.

Tis is right, there are more than two suspects. But it's my understanding that neither of the two main suspects has an alibi.

SAMIAM
05-27-2009, 09:22 AM
IMHO they already know who did it and are waiting to complete the investigation. It's disturbing to think that the person who did it has enjoyed his freedom for two extra weeks after killing a young mom and ruining the lives of her remaining family.

chipj29
05-27-2009, 11:50 AM
IMHO they already know who did it and are waiting to complete the investigation.It's disturbing to think that the person who did it has enjoyed his freedom for two extra weeks after killing a young mom and ruining the lives of her remaining family.

In a way I agree...but I highly doubt the guilty party is "enjoying" his/her freedom. I would at least hope that person is sweating bullets, worried about their fate in the judicial system.

Happy Gourmand
05-27-2009, 03:00 PM
My guess is that the police and the AG's office are making certain that all their ducks line up in a perfect row before they move on this.
Do any of you recall the outcome of the trial for the home invasion that occurred on Governor's Is. some years back? A sharp lawyer got the case dismissed on TECHNICALITIES...the perpetrators were released.
I'm pretty sure that the suspect(s) in this case are on a pretty short leash and are being closely monitored.

fatlazyless
05-27-2009, 03:26 PM
Let's see if I make an intelligent response here.

In the Governor's Island midnight home invasion - child kidnapping attempt of aproximately 1995 by an ex-member(s) of their family, while dressed in all-black & armed w/ handguns & ninja knives, there were no personal injuries to anyone, and a couple-three invaders did prison time for a few years(?).

The Marine Patrol was right there, making a waterfront approach to the house and very involved in stopping the bad guys (ex-husband or ex-wife?) in their tracks. So, that attempted kidnapping was stopped with a 911 call.

No personal physical injuries is obviously far far different from a stabbing murder in the middle of the night.

Lots of doors in Wolfeboro, likely and understandably. now get locked at night.

fatlazyless
05-31-2009, 04:37 PM
Wolfeboro: Slaying has town on edge

3 weeks on, no arrests in mom's death

By Maddie Hanna, Monitor Staff

today's May 31 www.concordmonitor.com
.....

...geez, if my links worked I'd make one here, but they don't, so could someone help out...

Rose
05-31-2009, 04:45 PM
...geez, if my links worked I'd make one here, but they don't, so could someone help out...

Here ya go

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090531/NEWS01/905310382

tis
05-31-2009, 06:43 PM
The rumor was they were expecting the DNA tests back in about 3 weeks. So hopefully something will happen soon. Today is three weeks.

secondcurve
05-31-2009, 07:44 PM
How tough can it be.There are two suspects.One has an alibi and one does not.I hate to go up there and take over the investigation, but it's been two weeks.
The coroner can pinpoint the time of death so I might be looking for the person who can not verify his wereabouts at that time.

Sam:

Aren't you the same guy who constantly has been chiding posters to let the process work in the case of the boater who ran into an island and killed her friend?

ApS
05-31-2009, 10:28 PM
"...In the Governor's Island midnight home invasion...The Marine Patrol was right there...very involved in stopping the bad guys (ex-husband or ex-wife?)..."
These appeared in the Boston Globe around Spring of 1994. The article can be purchased (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rxpy2QIBE4oJ:www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-8239326.html+%22governor%27s-island%22,+%22home-invasion%22,+%22new-hampshire%22,+%22Chandra-Chowanec%22&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us), but here are the most significant exerpts provided:
LACONIA, N.H. -- A judge has ordered the trials of two people charged in a commando-style invasion last month on Governor's Island to proceed. Chandra K. Chowanec, 26, and Craig Davidson, 35, were ordered bound over for trial. Davidson, and his wife, Gretchen, 25, both of Albuquerque, N.M., and Chowanec, of Columbia, Conn...each face three counts of attempted murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder...Chowanec's former in-laws. Chowanec had been involved in a dispute with the McDuffees...[Lawyer]Twomey...stun guns and night vision equipment...Prosecutors say Chowanec, 26, of Columbia, Conn., and two friends planned to kill Chowanec's ex-husband, Scott McDuffee and..."

Nobody said there was no DNA.

I've associated with professionals in Forensic Serological analyses, so here's my take on DNA:

Before DNA came onto the scene, only two tests were adequate for an arrest—and both tests could be done the same day. (The two tests were the usual Rh blood-types, and another called "blood proteins".)

It would be expected that there would be blood at a scene described as a stabbing. Any one drop of blood could identify an assailant who could also have been bleeding, so every spot of blood would need to be DNA-checked.

While DNA has slowed the arrest process, it can be used to identify a perpetrator down to one-individual-in-a-billion—and sometimes even better than that!

But even in the absense of a suspect, DNA can be analyzed to determine the ethnic, national, regional, or geographical origin of the subject/perpetrator. There are private firms who will "look up your ancestors" from a cotton swab's single wipe of the inside of the client's mouth.

DNA is used for other determinations, of course: Although the scene had a large number of people at it, no other DNA-related requirements for testing have been suggested (or forthcoming) up to this date.

"...Somebody said today it takes three weeks to get the DNA results back...Maybe that is what they are waiting for..."
The DNA logistics for profiling just one drop of blood would take weeks.

With every drop needing analysis to provide context at the scene, one could expect even more time to pass. All the details of the crime have to be eventually assembled to provide the most likely scenario, motive, and later, the charges to be brought.

Hopefully, WPD took photographs of each of those questioned. Any wounds need to be documented as they can be wounds inflicted during any physical defense by the victim—or, as can happen—an unintentional self-wounding.

Wolfeboro has only one resolved murder case of the four local murders that I've heard of. :(

A "help line" for investigators (http://www.nyc.gov/html/fdny/html/units/fau/dna_faq.shtml)shows that DNA isn't the "slam-dunk" seen on a famous TV show.


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(But not this TV show)

http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:hu3dZ2LgwMz4pM:http://rockermouse.com/whatsmylinecastphoto.jpg

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SAMIAM
06-01-2009, 11:10 AM
Yup...that's me. Not a fair comparison though, because the driver of the boat has been arrested and is awaiting trial.......No one is left hanging as in the Wolfboro case.

lulu59
06-09-2009, 08:18 AM
]Man, this is the most hushed investigation. Rumor has it the husband is wanting an order of protection against the former boyfriend. Rumor has it this shall be challenged. Rumor has it that DNA results are imminent.
Six people in a house. No one knows or heard anything?? Vehicles?? Foot prints?? Cell phone records??
The victims father is an attorney. Can't believe they haven't had an impact on this. This is such a twisted crime. Tragedy for these children. And living in a community where one must wonder what is going on??

Heaven
06-09-2009, 11:54 AM
]Man, this is the most hushed investigation. Rumor has it the husband is wanting an order of protection against the former boyfriend. Rumor has it this shall be challenged. Rumor has it that DNA results are imminent.
Six people in a house. No one knows or heard anything?? Vehicles?? Foot prints?? Cell phone records??
The victims father is an attorney. Can't believe they haven't had an impact on this. This is such a twisted crime. Tragedy for these children. And living in a community where one must wonder what is going on??

Think about the DNA in that house. There is DNA all over the place, footprints all over the place. Think of all the company that has been in that house in the previous month . Think about the fact that DNA from probably ALL the suspects was already in the house before the murder. The challenge is to connect the dots with the DNA that tells the story of those few hours. Very very difficult and time consuming. This isn't TV.

fatlazyless
06-10-2009, 12:37 PM
Today's Union Leader has a front page story about the Wolfeboro murder which happened one month ago.

And, the Granite State News crime beat had someone arrested and held at the Carrol County jail about a month ago with their name witheld?


It's been a month so could the murderer who committed this horrendous killing please stand up and tell everyone why you did it?

capngary
06-10-2009, 01:27 PM
http://www.theunionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Investigators+review+Wolfebo ro+killing&articleId=4833a812-c0fc-4bf1-adab-6797149951c1

It's been a month and all 5 children are now living with their father. Some of you are going to be wrong about your internet conviction.

Don't worry too much about your own safety. This is a crime of passion... The victim knew the assailant. Eddie didn't do it. But, I think Eddie knew who did it and has told the police. It takes about 3 plus weeks to get the DNA results. The ducks are all lining up. The police are establishing an airtight case. You won't have to wait much longer.

tis
06-10-2009, 05:30 PM
What are you referring to when you say we are wrong about our internet conviction? Can you 'splain that?

gokart-mozart
06-10-2009, 05:41 PM
tis, I think he means Ed didn't do it.

lulu59
06-10-2009, 07:50 PM
Let's see. Today there was a hearing to decide if Ed(as you internet folks refer to him)would be allowed a restraining order to be in place against a possible suspect. The hearing was held in Carroll County before the Honorable Judge Horan and that order was denied. Evidently, the judge didn't believe Mr Burns' theory that his safety was in jeopardy.
If the ex husband committed the offense or is charged, how can the state of N.H. justify letting him live in the house with his children? Something here just doesn't add up. Are they, the authorities, attempting to see if someone has loose lips? Was someone hired to commit this offense, a professional killer?
The team got together in Concord yesterday to put all the information together. Still not a sign of an arrest. Tells me the authorities are at an impasse.

Heaven
06-10-2009, 08:49 PM
Let's see. Today there was a hearing to decide if Ed(as you internet folks refer to him)would be allowed a restraining order to be in place against a possible suspect. The hearing was held in Carroll County before the Honorable Judge Horan and that order was denied. Evidently, the judge didn't believe Mr Burns' theory that his safety was in jeopardy.
If the ex husband committed the offense or is charged, how can the state of N.H. justify letting him live in the house with his children? Something here just doesn't add up. Are they, the authorities, attempting to see if someone has loose lips? Was someone hired to commit this offense, a professional killer?
The team got together in Concord yesterday to put all the information together. Still not a sign of an arrest. Tells me the authorities are at an impasse.

The ex has not been charged, and right now he is innocent. Have some patience people, I can hear the racket you would make if a critical step or piece of information gets overlooked in haste and a conviction fails. I don't believe the authorities are at an impasse, they are doing their jobs. Again, this isn't TV.

lulu59
06-21-2009, 03:56 AM
http://www.granitestatenews.com/Articles-c-2009-06-17-148821.113119_Burns_husband_denied_restraining_ord er_against_former_boyfriend.html
here it is.no luv lost between these 2!!

jpskate8
07-05-2009, 09:17 AM
Well, we enter day 15 with no arrest. How can there be no DNA? How can there be so much speculation and so little activity??
At the funeral? At the house? Out on &500,000 bail? 900lbs. of weed and no prior record? 71 year old lady along for the ride as a guise??
Soon, all will be exposed. And what you thought was small town USA.
http://www.granitestatenews.com/Articles-c-2009-04-29-148407.113119_Former_police_commissioner_Lowry_arr ested_in_Illinois.htmlFrom what I hear is she was dating Jim........ And others.... I believe these are highly related crimes.

tis
07-05-2009, 09:54 AM
I heard yesterday Jim Lowry got off. I don't know if it is true.

old coot
07-05-2009, 11:40 AM
I heard yesterday Jim Lowry got off. I don't know if it is true.

That's a persistent rumor, tis, but my law enforcement sources tell me it is untrue. His case is expected to drag on forever, however.
oc

Lakesrider
07-06-2009, 08:24 PM
Rumor has it that this murder has gone international. There is allegedly a woman with ties to France that had some connection with one of them. Apparently a scent dog walked toward some condos on Friend (?) st. (funny that the name of this street comes up in the news article link above?) This is where they were looking for a weapon. Then it came out that the day of the murder this woman , who lived in one of the condos, disappeared and left a trail telling of her flight to France. Now they are looking for her there. Just what I heard today.

old coot
07-07-2009, 12:30 AM
Were you to park your car in the Burn's driveway and not get your transmission fully engaged in Park, your car would roll down the driveway, cross North Main Street and then descend down Friend Street. The street has that proximity to the murder scene. However, I'm not aware of any (typical) condos on Friend Street. Instead, they're all modest and long existing single family homes and mobile homes.
oc

lulu59
07-07-2009, 09:59 AM
Here's is a good one. Some fact, some speculation.
Last week in the Michael Jackson frenzy, Larry King had many, many guests. A man by the name of Henry Lee, DNA expert was one of them. What is the speculation: Henry Lee was being interviewed from Manchester NH. Why would Henry Lee be in Manchester NH???? To check the DNA in the Stacie Burns' murder investigation???

SAMIAM
07-07-2009, 11:51 AM
Lulu, I think YOU should be in charge of this murder investigation.......you seem to have a lot more common sense than the PD and AG keystone cops.
There are two main suspects and one of them is innocent but has to face his friends, neighbors and family every day with the cloud of guilt hanging over him. Can you imagine going to work each day.....to the store and school to pick up your kids with everyone looking at you like you're guilty? I believe that they know who did it and are just playing cat and mouse while they collect more evidence.......not fair to the innocent person.

chowda
07-08-2009, 05:36 PM
Rumor has it that this murder has gone international. There is allegedly a woman with ties to France that had some connection with one of them. Apparently a scent dog walked toward some condos on Friend (?) st. (funny that the name of this street comes up in the news article link above?) This is where they were looking for a weapon. Then it came out that the day of the murder this woman , who lived in one of the condos, disappeared and left a trail telling of her flight to France. Now they are looking for her there. Just what I heard today.

This alleged woman with a connection does not live on Friend St., but not far from there. Her tie to France is that she is an international flight attendant. They are not looking for her there. The authorities are aware of her flight status and when she is in town.There are those out there that are starting to think in this direction, but anybody's guess at this point.

tis
07-11-2009, 05:18 PM
Of course it does. He is well known.

sa meredith
07-22-2009, 04:31 PM
So I'm out having dinner last week, and meet someone who lives year round in Wolfeboro. The conversation comes around to this topic, and they explain to me that the victim is said to have been a member of "the car key club"...which is a club for locals in Wolfeboro (that's about all the definition of the club I will give, there is more, but just take a guess). Anyway, they said that locals believe there is a connection and that police are exploring this.
I have no way of knowing if this is accurate info, but was curious if anyone on the forum heard a similar story.

Happy Gourmand
07-23-2009, 07:57 AM
So I'm out having dinner last week, and meet someone who lives year round in Wolfeboro. The conversation comes around to this topic, and they explain to me that the victim is said to have been a member of "the car key club"...which is a club for locals in Wolfeboro (that's about all the definition of the club I will give, there is more, but just take a guess). Anyway, they said that locals believe there is a connection and that police are exploring this.
I have no way of knowing if this is accurate info, but was curious if anyone on the forum heard a similar story.

Talk about dropping a BOMB!!

Heaven
07-23-2009, 11:43 AM
I thought the car key club was for couples (?), and how would that work in her case?

gokart-mozart
07-23-2009, 06:44 PM
The Union Leader is advertising on their website "an exclusive update in the Stacey Burns homicide probe" coming tomorrow.

Wonder what they know?

goosejr
07-23-2009, 07:22 PM
I hope people don't get lost in the rumors and innuendo.

Stacey may have had her faults, (please name one of us who does not) but be aware that she was not anything but sweet. She was approachable, funny, and caring.

Still thinking of her and mourning the loss......

Skip
07-24-2009, 06:04 AM
Lengthy article in this morning's on-line Union Leader in reference to the crime. Story can be read HERE! (http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Vittum%3a+Nearby%2c+but+not+ Stacey+Burns%27+killer&articleId=580c6213-0ee5-4c8c-a5c9-535b6445c8d5)

Much of the story centers around an interview with ex-boyfriend Jim Vittum.

tis
07-24-2009, 07:55 AM
Wow, I am surprised he talked.

Irish mist
07-24-2009, 10:14 AM
Wow, I am surprised he talked.

Lol, I bet his lawyer is too:) Not looking good for this guy IMO.
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Wolfester
07-25-2009, 12:03 AM
Lokks like he didn't understand the ex part about being the ex-boyfriend. But it is easy to see how he earned the ex prefix and how he earned a 14 hour interogation.

gokart-mozart
07-25-2009, 08:39 AM
Well, if I were Mr. Vittum's lawyer, I would quit.

But his interview does provide some more fuel for various speculations. He's obviously been a suspect from the beginning. Despite his now confirmed movements in and out of the house, and the dead woman's blood on his hands, he hasn't been arrested. So, it's likely that there are competing scenarios that CSI Wolfeboro are working on.

Two things stand out from the interview.

First: The "mistake" she made Friday night. It's a longstanding rumor that she had a new BF, and that the new BF and Mr. Vittum had a punchup Friday night. But why a "mistake"? This either further implicates Vittum as a jealous ex, or introduces a new factor into the equation. What kind of "mistake" gets you killed?

Second: The "scores of problems" in her life that she was working on "getting help". What kind of help? When does reaching out for help get you killed? How about if you reach out for help from the police?

This interview certainly raises public suspicion about Mr. Vittum far beyond Wolfeboro. But it also gives amateur detectives some new things to think about.

chowda
07-25-2009, 11:03 AM
I understand he must be sick of living under the cloud of suspicion and getting stared at everywhere he goes. Now he is going to be getting stares due to his stupidity for participating in this article. He obviously has zero class for stating she was "hot" and linking her to a married man. Didn't he supposedly care for her? What about her kids and family's feelings? LOSER.

Wolfester
07-25-2009, 11:10 AM
Yep, the "big mistake" was that the children knew she was with another man, yet he is the one that had the emmotional day.

Months after she is dead he is talking about how hot she was, and that guys were hitting on her all the time, being pressured by married men.

There seems to be theme of jealousy through out this tale.

chowda
07-25-2009, 02:22 PM
I just can't get over this. Did he even think over his words, or the impact they would have on her reputation or family, before this interview? What a moron. He didn't help himself at all, and made her look bad at the same time. As if there aren't enough jerks out there trying to jump to conclusions about her already. I also agree with his stupidity contributing to the "ex" factor. I personally don't think he did it, I'm leaning towards the flight attendant. I don't think he has even the smallest shred of intellect to have gotten away with something like this for so long.

sa meredith
07-25-2009, 02:42 PM
I just can't get over this. Did he even think over his words, or the impact they would have on her reputation or family, before this interview? What a moron. He didn't help himself at all, and made her look bad at the same time. As if there aren't enough jerks out there trying to jump to conclusions about her already. I also agree with his stupidity contributing to the "ex" factor. I personally don't think he did it, I'm leaning towards the flight attendant. I don't think he has even the smallest shred of intellect to have gotten away with something like this for so long.

Good point....it would seem there is just no way this guy is bright enough to have covered his tracks for even a little while.
Probably did not do it.

Wolfester
07-25-2009, 03:54 PM
I agree, but there is a disturbing constant theme here.

What's up with the words "big mistake"? Most people think it is a "big mistake" that someone is dead. He thinks it was a "big mistake" that a single person had an adult relationship? Sounds like it was a bigger mistake to him, then the children, since he was very emmotionally drained.

Why would he bring up that she was hot and being hit on by other guys? Why would he bring up intimate adult details of the early part of their relationship? There was an attraction prior to the divorce? but no cheating? Why would anyone even be talking about stuff like that after what happened?

Seems like an extraordinary focus on other men and cheating etc. It would be easy to believe that maybe things didn't go as well for him as he says that night.

Maybe if is innocent, he will learn his life will be easier if he stays away when a woman breaks up with him. But it doesn't look like he will ever have to worry about a woman breaking up with him again, since it is probably going to be pretty hard getting a first date.

Heaven
07-25-2009, 08:03 PM
But his interview does provide some more fuel for various speculations. He's obviously been a suspect from the beginning. Despite his now confirmed movements in and out of the house, and the dead woman's blood on his hands, he hasn't been arrested. So, it's likely that there are competing scenarios that CSI Wolfeboro are working on.


Please be careful what you quote, the article said:
"Vittum said some of his blood may have been on Burns' hands because she helped pull out a splinter that night, with the help of one of her daughters and a friend. "I have witnesses for all that."

gokart-mozart
07-25-2009, 11:11 PM
Thanks for the correction.

tis
07-26-2009, 07:46 AM
I don't think he fought with the new boyfriend that night, as the new boyfriend was out of town. I heard he did have a fight though with another guy though.

lulu59
07-26-2009, 02:10 PM
Well, sad to say, this investigation is at a dead end. Made this conclusion back on June 10th. It appears that there are endless scenarios.
Hard to say what the motivation is by the interview given by a suspect this week. Riddled with guilt? Was advised to speak in general terms and not about specifics?
Reaching out for help?? Sounds like a substance abuse problem?? Key club?? Swinger??
Lots' of speculation. The authorities know what happened. Can they prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? These murder trials can cost significant money to the state. Sad but true.

chowda
07-26-2009, 02:12 PM
I don't think he fought with the new boyfriend that night, as the new boyfriend was out of town. I heard he did have a fight though with another guy though.

Vittum had an altercation with the married man that had been "pressuring" her. The new person she had recently begun seeing was out of town that night as you said. It is this person's ex that is the flight attendant in question. So maybe Vittum's statement of "coward, whoever he is" should have been "he or she".

jpskate8
07-31-2009, 05:45 PM
Any one know if the new man she was seeing was Jim Lawery?
I had herd it was.....

Heaven
07-31-2009, 09:31 PM
Any one know if the new man she was seeing was Jim Lawery?
I had herd it was.....

The "out of town new person" was not J.L., the married person was not J.L. either.

winnipugs
08-01-2009, 09:40 AM
omg could the rumor mill go any further!! this woman has kids who are on the internet and i dont think they need to reed of the key club b.s.. leave stacey with some dignity, she was an amazing person with a heart of gold. she was 41 years old, an adult, those kids always came first , and what she chose to do with her time was HER business. guys just becareful as to what you post as there are little eyes that might be curious and read here.

chowda
08-01-2009, 04:58 PM
I agree w/ WinniPugs. It amazes me as to how many people that didn't even know her at all, suddenly seem to know every intimate detail of her life. How would they know for a fact about her participating in "key clubs" or drugs unless they themselves were there partaking in the same things right there with her.

As for J.L. COME ON, SERIOUSLY If there had been anything going hopefully he would have shown a little more respect at the memorial service other than sitting there smacking gum the entire time.

gokart-mozart
08-01-2009, 05:53 PM
It's a nice idea that what one chooses to do with one's own time, or one's own private life, is nobody else's business.

It's even true, up to a point.

That point is long past when you wind up dead, leaving five motherless children and a hole in your community. IF "private" behavior caused this crime or even set it up, then it isn't no one's business any more.

It's everyone's business.

Mr. V
08-01-2009, 08:40 PM
... leaving five motherless children and a hole in your community. IF "private" behavior caused this crime or even set it up, then it isn't no one's business any more.

It's everyone's business.

Anyone know if the children will wind up being a public charge?

Bet they do.

Then this whole sordid affair (pun intended) is everybody's financial business.

Argie's Wife
08-02-2009, 11:10 AM
Something about the posts here that bother me.... I dunno how to say this and don't want to sound "preachy" about it but....

Stacey Burns was a daughter, mother, employee, citizen.... you get the idea.

There's family and friends and community grieving their loss. Please be cautious about what you say. You may not intend to hurt anyone with your words and as "interesting" as this mystery is, some of the speculation may do just that. I would guess that some family/friends frequent this place.

Peace.

tis
08-02-2009, 05:02 PM
That's true, A.Wife, but I don't think a thing has been said here that hasn't been said around town. I know I haven't posted half of what I have heard ( I never like to do that) for that very reason.

chowda
08-03-2009, 08:23 AM
I agree also that everybody should be more careful about what they post, but it can be difficult to not respond to some of the ridiculous things be said or questioned about her. Also, it doesn't seem in poor taste to correct a posting that you know for a fact is just speculation or even plain wrong. On the positive side, maybe some of the things that come up here could be new information that would help in the case. You never know.

winnipugs
08-06-2009, 08:44 AM
just to let you all know, i have, with the help of many friends, organized a walk against violence in staceys name to be held at the nick recreation field on october 24 and 25. the event will mock a relay for life type event, meaning you get sponsored to walk laps around the track, you bring your tent and camp out there overnight. the monies that are collected from this event are going into an account at meredith village bank for a scholarship fund also in staceys name to be given to a kingswood student seeking a career in medicine. stacey always gave so much to our community and this is a way for her to still give in her name. anyone interested in participating can email me and id be more than happy to give more info .

email : tngproulx@yahoo.com

capngary
08-09-2009, 06:06 PM
Last newspaper article (July 26th) was after Jim's outlandish interview. Why did he have to say anything at all???? So now... it has been over 90 days! No arrests have been made. This is now officially a cold case.

If there is anybody in the world whom would like to see "closure" (if there can ever be such a thing), it is Eddie! The murderer literally destroyed Eddie's life and the lives of his family (on both sides). Despite any marital problems Eddie and Stacey had, their children ALWAYS came first. The person(s) who committed this crime will EVENTUALLY get the justice deserved. Loss of their mother has been just horrible for the children, especially the 3 youngest ones.

So, John Walsh will soon be asking you, "PLEASE, if you know anything about this horrific murder, go to the police and remain annoymous. Let's get this coward off the streets soon!" Some of you WOLFESBORO "PARTY" GIRLS (you know whom you are!)... If the police haven't interviewed you yet... Please be forthcoming and tell the police what you know, even a minor detail that you don't think important might help crack this case.

Skip
08-10-2009, 08:26 PM
WMUR did a follow up story tonight at 6:00 PM.

Story can be seen HERE. (http://www.wmur.com/news/20349175/detail.html)

ApS
08-11-2009, 07:59 AM
"...So now... it has been over 90 days! No arrests have been made. This is now officially a cold case..."

So ten days ago was an especially propitious day for Governor Lynch to sign "The Bill of Hope"?

(The Federal Government's "Stimulus Bill" pays for New Hampshire's Cold-Case investigations).

http://kbeaudin.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/cold-case-bill-signed-by-governor-the-bill-of-hope/

capngary
08-12-2009, 11:33 AM
"Lieutenant Horak was in attendance, he is the retired police officer that has written two books about the murders of two young women in Candia NH. His passion to solve these cases burns within him even today."

chowda
08-28-2009, 02:21 PM
I am sure I am not the only one disgusted by last week's article. I think the columnist and the editor should both be ashamed of themselves. Firstly, the columnist for printing mostly local gossip and articles from other publications. Did she think that was groundbreaking news? Secondly, the editor for allowing this poor excuse of an article to be published. Is spell check the only editing tool available at this rag? It is one thing for people to post questions or comments on this forum. The local paper printing this type of speculation on the front page is another. That being said, is there any truth to the rumor the flight attendant in question has left town?

tis
08-29-2009, 10:46 AM
I heard she HAS left town. She was being treated very badly. I imagine she is not the only one who is being treated that way. I feel sorry for her and the others who are being treated that way if they DIDN"T do it.

old coot
08-29-2009, 07:56 PM
I heard she HAS left town. She was being treated very badly. I imagine she is not the only one who is being treated that way. I feel sorry for her and the others who are being treated that way if they DIDN"T do it.

Who's she?
oc

old coot
08-30-2009, 12:06 PM
Duh!
Now, in the light of day, I see who "she" is. I'm renewing my vow to read posts twice to avoid asking stupid questions like the one I asked.
oc

tis
08-31-2009, 12:44 PM
There is a "For Sale" sign in front of her house today. This whole thing is so very sad.

winnipugs
08-31-2009, 03:58 PM
that property is not just owned by her, it was built and owned by her ex boyfriend. they mutually decided to sell for other reasons. again , you all need to stop jumping to conclusions.

tis
08-31-2009, 06:34 PM
It was built and owned by her and her ex boyfriend and since she no longer felt comfortable there, he could not or did not want to own it by himself. I know and like both of them. My understanding is that she left because she was not being treated well and couldn't take it any more. The reason she is a suspect is because he was the latest beau of Stacey and rumor is that possibly, just possibly she was a jealous ex. Who knows? I choose not to believe she should be a suspect.

PennyPenny
08-31-2009, 09:39 PM
It was built and owned by her and her ex boyfriend and since she no longer felt comfortable there, he could not or did not want to own it by himself. I know and like both of them. My understanding is that she left because she was not being treated well and couldn't take it any more. The reason she is a suspect is because he was the latest beau of Stacey and rumor is that possibly, just possibly she was a jealous ex. Who knows? I choose not to believe she should be a suspect.



Been reading and folowing this story and/or thread but I just got lost on who the ex bf is. "She" is the flight attendant, who is he?

capngary
09-05-2009, 05:08 PM
OK, DA, Sir... "This is definitely NOT a cold case." OK

I'll just keep track of the months. Please advise :confused:number:confused: when John Walsh should be brought in.

MONTHS> 4

gokart-mozart
09-06-2009, 08:48 AM
Been reading and folowing this story and/or thread but I just got lost on who the ex bf is. "She" is the flight attendant, who is he?

There are several.

capngary
09-07-2009, 02:07 AM
There are several.

:eek:WERE!

chowda
09-08-2009, 10:07 AM
ARE/WERE, seriously!? That is getting a little juvenile. I understand the concern over any supposed "BF's" but the only individuals widely known to have actually threatened her with bodily harm were the Ex-hubby and the flight attendant.

So CapnG, obviously you have a problem with the memorial walk in October. (see Stacey Burns Memorial Walk thread) There is already a fund set up for Stacey's kids, in case you didn't know. As concerned as you seem to be with this situation and clearing your buddy Ed's name, maybe you should give John Walsh a call and set up a reward fund for any info leading to an arrest.

BTW- Before you start correcting the grammatical or wording errors of others, maybe you should proof read your own posts first. WOLFESBORO "PARTY" GIRLS
Everybody makes typos every now and then, no need to be a jerk.

tis
09-08-2009, 10:32 AM
I just think we need an arrest, period! Another family has left town, that makes two. Who will feel they will have to leave next? Again I feel so sorry for the innocent.

Coolbreeze
09-08-2009, 04:52 PM
Feets dons't fail me now!! There is a murderer on the loose....

winnipugs
09-09-2009, 04:28 PM
hey guys, here is the link for the registration form for the stacey burns memorial walk against violence. click on it and you go to the link, from there you can print out the form to register.
http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B_9Ofw27XHGTMmE0NjU1ODYtZTAzMC00ZTI2L TljMjMtZTgzM2UyOTBkYmQ1&hl=en

PennyPenny
09-09-2009, 08:22 PM
I just think we need an arrest, period! Another family has left town, that makes two. Who will feel they will have to leave next? Again I feel so sorry for the innocent.

I don't know about families leaving but I agree that an arrest should be coming soon. Hardley ever is there an unsolved murder in NH. What is missing in the equation?

Mr. V
09-10-2009, 01:24 AM
I don't know about families leaving but I agree that an arrest should be coming soon. Hardley ever is there an unsolved murder in NH. What is missing in the equation?

Competence?

capngary
09-14-2009, 01:05 PM
competence?

Not!


***Imminent!***

ApS
09-26-2009, 05:12 PM
Why it's taking so long. (Logistics).

Generally speaking, he says, it can take up to six months or longer to process DNA in the lab. Unlike TV shows like CSI, evidence can not necessarily be processed immediately...It's a matter of logistics, says Howland, not necessarily a lack of evidence, that can protract a case.

He also reminds people that there is no statue of limitations on murder, but once an arrest is made, the clock starts ticking. The state has to be ready to proceed through arraignment and probable cause hearings to trial in a timely manner to protect the rights of the accused.http://www.carrollcountyindependent.com/Articles-c-2009-09-10-149473.113119_Lead_investigator_explains_process_i n_Burns_murder_case.html

capngary
10-13-2009, 10:22 PM
Five months

chowda
10-17-2009, 10:41 AM
WOW! CapnG, you are SOOO witty!!! Did it take you the entire month since your last posting to think that one up?

twins
10-26-2009, 03:17 PM
On my way to Wolfeboro to get some anti-freeze, I saw about 10 Police cars surrounding the area of North Main where the Burns house is. They closed the road right after I went through and I was told by a policeman friend that they were effecting an arrest. Nothing yet on the news, this was about 1:30 pm.

jpskate8
10-26-2009, 05:58 PM
Anyone hears anything please post!



On my way to Wolfeboro to get some anti-freeze, I saw about 10 Police cars surrounding the area of North Main where the Burns house is. They closed the road right after I went through and I was told by a policeman friend that they were effecting an arrest. Nothing yet on the news, this was about 1:30 pm.

ApS
10-26-2009, 06:17 PM
Anyone hears anything please post!
OK.

State Police are creating a lot of action at Pipers Farm— unknown if related, but all this police activity around here sure is unusual.

Just Sold
10-26-2009, 06:24 PM
It was at the Burns home but it was a "Well Person Check" They said it had nothing to do with the murder. WMUR just talked about it.

tis
10-26-2009, 06:25 PM
I heard it had nothing to do with the murder, but just an issue with Ed.

twoplustwo
10-26-2009, 06:26 PM
Police Respond To Welfare Check At Wolfeboro Home
Officials Say Activity Not Related To Burns Investigation
POSTED: 5:53 pm EDT October 26, 2009


WOLFEBORO, N.H. -- Police said there was a flurry of activity at the home of slain Wolfeboro mother Stacey Burns on Monday.

Police said they received a request to do a welfare check at 146 North Main St. at about 10:30 a.m. But by the afternoon, the scene was cleared.

Police said the safety of the neighborhood is their top priority, so authorities from Wolfeboro, Carroll County and state police arrived at the home. Police won't say who called or why, but they said no crime was committed, no investigation will follow, and everyone is safe.

"It was a welfare check, a check on an individual, which we did and determined everything was in order," said Wolfeboro Lt. Dean Rondeau.

The attorney general's office said the activity at the home was not related to the ongoing homicide investigation.

Police said Burns was stabbed to death five months ago inside her home. No arrests have been made.

twins
10-26-2009, 06:40 PM
Welfare Check? When I went through there were 4-5 police cars mustered in an empty lot near the house. Every road had a police car blocking it and they closed 109 and deployed to the house. A welfare check is when you don't hear from your grandmother for a few days and they send someone to knock on her door!

twoplustwo
10-26-2009, 06:49 PM
The pictures I saw on Facebook didn't look like a welfare check, to me.

Seems to me this is one massive eff up after another.

twins
10-26-2009, 07:01 PM
Maybe they really,truly,actually DO NOT have any idea who did it!

Yosemite Sam
10-26-2009, 07:16 PM
"It was a welfare check, a check on an individual, which we did and determined everything was in order," said Wolfeboro Lt. Dean Rondeau.




Fixed it for Ya!

"It was a welfare check, a check on an individual, which we did and determined everything was in order," said Wolfeboro Barney Fife.

old coot
10-26-2009, 07:27 PM
The things that authorities haven't said about this case would fill volumes.

Pineedles
10-26-2009, 07:29 PM
Haven't been following this thread too close because I don't know the parties involved, and it seems as if there is a lot of espinago (sic) going on, but the police aren't magicians!:)

mcdude
10-27-2009, 07:36 AM
From the Citizen

Police converge where May murder occurred
Wolfeboro:
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State police and local police as well as officers from the Carroll County Sheriff's Department converged on a north Wolfeboro neighborhood Monday afternoon, forming a loose perimeter around the home where a mother of five was murdered on Mother's Day.

New Hampshire Associate Attorney General Jeff Strelzin said that the incident did not involve the murder of Stacey Burns. But he would not comment further, other than to say no arrests were made.

To date no one has been charged in connection with the murder of Burns, an elementary school nurse and single mother.

State Police and Carroll County Sheriff's officials referred all comments to the Wolfeboro Police Department. Wolfeboro Police dispatch refused comment and referred all questions to Lt. Dean Rondeau, who it said would be unavailable "for some time." Several attempts to reach him were unsuccessful.

Unconfirmed reports from witnesses at the scene said that, "some kind of threat" was called in to police. WMUR television reported that police were called in at approximately 10:30 a.m. to perform a welfare check.

Two State Police and two local police cruisers were seen parked at either edge of the Burns' property on North Main Street at approximately 1:45 p.m. Monday. Local police and officers from the Carroll County Sheriff's Department were also parked approximately 100 yards away on Filter Bed Road. Witnesses reported that police were also stationed at a church yard approximately 100 yards away as well as on Pleasant and Lucas streets, which border the Burns' home from behind.

About 30 minutes after arriving at the Burns' home, all police vehicles headed rapidly up Main Street and converged in a large dirt turnaround area, where officers could be seen outside their vehicles huddled in conversation. Within 20 minutes all police vehicles were gone from that area.

ApS
10-28-2009, 07:10 AM
I heard it had nothing to do with the murder, but just an issue with Ed.
WRT to the 4th Amendment, much could be learned of the murder by police from a civil intervention like a called-in Welfare Check. (Constitutionally-speaking).

Since Ed remains a suspect (officially, anyway), having a large police presence is using the proper "abundance of caution"...IMHO.

mcdude
10-29-2009, 07:37 AM
From the Grunter
Police incident at Stacey Burns house raises concerns (http://www.thebaysider.com/Articles-c-2009-10-28-149809.113119_Police_incident_at_Stacey_Burns_hous e_raises_concerns.html)
http://www.newhampshirelakesandmountains.com/placedimages/92035EtUYm6D360A.med.jpgElissa Paquette (http://www.thebaysider.com/1editorialtablebody.lasso?-token.searchtype=authorroutine&-token.lpsearchstring=Elissa%20Paquette)
WOLFEBORO — Police responded in force to a complaint of an unspecified person in danger at the former home of Stacey Burns Monday afternoon, Oct. 26, in what turned out to be a false alarm. North Main Street residents and others wondered if an arrest in the unsolved Stacey Burns murder case was finally being made.

(emphasis added)

Yosemite Sam
10-29-2009, 09:06 AM
Doesn’t Wolfeboro have anyone higher that a Lt. Dean Rondeau to interview about what happened? This has got to be an embarrassment to whoever is in charge of the Wolfeboro Police Department. When someone calls the police and describes a second hand account from another person’s observation, wouldn’t you think the police would take all the necessary steps to verify it before calling the troops in?

NHDOLFAN
10-29-2009, 11:54 AM
Officer Rondeau is a class act and to state otherwise is absurd. He has served his country and the town of Wolfeboro with dignity. Unless you have all the factors, you may want to refrain from casting judgment. Living in Wolfeboro, I appreciate the fact that they did not sweep this under the table regardless of the circumstances. What would the alternative be, a 2nd murder??

chipj29
10-29-2009, 12:10 PM
I don't know much about this case, but the whole "false alarm" thing just seems rather strange!

Yosemite Sam
10-29-2009, 12:10 PM
Officer Rondeau is a class act and to state otherwise is absurd. He has served his country and the town of Wolfeboro with dignity.

Where did I say anything bad about Lt Rondeau?



Officer Rondeau is a class act and to state otherwise is absurd. He has served his country and the town of Wolfeboro with dignity. Unless you have all the factors, you may want to refrain from casting judgment.

Just what are the facts then?

Living in Wolfeboro, I appreciate the fact that they did not sweep this under the table regardless of the circumstances. What would the alternative be, a 2nd murder??

How could they sweep it under the table when most of north main street looked like a war zone?

Whoever made the decision to surround the Burns home should be embarrassed.

Heaven
10-29-2009, 12:20 PM
I think it was a good call. Rumor has it that a gun was involved, and given that information even second hand, I say better safe than sorry.

Yosemite Sam
10-29-2009, 12:25 PM
I think it was a good call. Rumor has it that a gun was involved, and given that information even second hand, I say better safe than sorry.

OMG "Rumor" has it!

No wonder Wolfeboro can't solve this murder.

Rumor? Wow!

Heaven
10-29-2009, 12:41 PM
OMG "Rumor" has it!

No wonder Wolfeboro can't solve this murder.

Rumor? Wow!

You are a jerk.

Yosemite Sam
10-29-2009, 02:07 PM
You are a jerk.


Thank You!

ApS
10-29-2009, 07:22 PM
"...This has got to be an embarrassment to whoever is in charge of the Wolfeboro Police Department..."
When this went down, the Police Chief was out of town—that put Lt. Rondeau in charge—and he is savvy. (Though Wolfeboro affectionately nick-names him Lt. Rambo). :emb:

You can see that the NH State Police are likewise involved: this was no ordinary circumstance.

Wolfeboro is still a small town, but in recent years has had a total of five (5) interesting forums! From my association with the same and usual members at all five forums, I believe you'd be very surprised at learning who just called you a jerk! :laugh:

(But thanks for your many usually knowledgeable posts). ;) :look: :)

Yosemite Sam
10-30-2009, 01:25 PM
When this went down, the Police Chief was out of town—that put Lt. Rondeau in charge—and he is savvy. (Though Wolfeboro affectionately nick-names him Lt. Rambo). :emb:

I thought maybe the cat was away and the mice just had to play.
Lt. Rambo.....Well he is living up to his nickname.


You can see that the NH State Police are likewise involved: this was no ordinary circumstance.

Just look a Lt. Rambo with the shades on....fits the Rambo image alright!


Wolfeboro is still a small town, but in recent years has had a total of five (5) interesting forums! From my association with the same and usual members at all five forums, I believe you'd be very surprised at learning who just called you a jerk! :laugh:

You mean there are more interesting forums other that this one in the Lakes region?
I don't mind being called a jerk. I'm surprised someone didn't second it.

(But thanks for your many usually knowledgeable posts).

If that was meant for me, Thanks, I needed that :)

SIKSUKR
11-02-2009, 03:32 PM
Hey I'm a jerk too!!

VitaBene
11-02-2009, 08:41 PM
Where did I say anything bad about Lt Rondeau?



Mr Maturity speaketh- You referred to the Lt. as Barney Fife and an embarrassment. Or did you forget you wrote those posts??

Yosemite Sam
11-02-2009, 09:16 PM
Mr Maturity speaketh- You referred to the Lt. as Barney Fife and an embarrassment. Or did you forget you wrote those posts??

I'll try to be more mature in the future.

capngary
11-03-2009, 03:04 PM
SIX (6) Months = COLD CASE

John Walsh
America's Most Wanted
P.O. Box CRIME TV
Washington, DC 20016

Mr. V
11-03-2009, 09:05 PM
SIX (6) Months = COLD CASE

Indeed.

How hard can it be?:confused:

capngary
11-10-2009, 12:20 AM
SIX (6) Months = COLD CASE

John Walsh
America's Most Wanted
P.O. Box CRIME TV
Washington, DC 20016

:emb:SIX MONTHS AGO STACEY WAS MURDERED!:emb:

old coot
11-10-2009, 12:56 AM
SIX (6) Months = COLD CASE

John Walsh
America's Most Wanted
P.O. Box CRIME TV
Washington, DC 20016
Okay, I'll bite. What fugitive will America's Most Wanted help us go after in this case.
The problem is that no one's wanted, no one's a fugitive, there are no named suspects.
oc

ApS
11-10-2009, 05:35 AM
"...'Mr Maturity'..."
Two phrases come to mind:

1) "The Poisonous Fruit from the Poison Tree" (SCOTUS phrase) "clean"[example] (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:ft8e1rImXu4J:justanothervet.wordpre ss.com/2008/07/19/+%22poison-fruit%22,+scotus&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)

and


2) "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" (Official Vegas (http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:y2r-c9qf5cEJ:www.visitlasvegas.com/+%22in-vegas-stays%22&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us) phrase)

:rolleye2:

capngary
11-10-2009, 02:04 PM
Okay, I'll bite. What fugitive will America's Most Wanted help us go after in this case.
The problem is that no one's wanted, no one's a fugitive, there are no named suspects.
oc

Better to start with John instead of UNSOLVED MYSTERIES! John Walsh reviews cases without fugitives, some as old as 30 years! To him, this is still a FRESH case. Every SINGLE day that goes by makes the case more difficult to solve! I'll keep you posted as to when he will be coming into town!

capngary
11-15-2009, 06:36 PM
Wrote to John on 11-11...

Maybe will be an unnecessary letter as ARREST is IMMINENT!:eek:

ApS
11-15-2009, 07:00 PM
The "buzz" around Wolfeboro is the convening of a Grand Jury. (Usually the sign of a weak case).

Yosemite Sam
11-18-2009, 06:34 PM
The "buzz" around Wolfeboro is the convening of a Grand Jury. (Usually the sign of a weak case).

In this Thursdays Granite State News there is an article stating that a "Grand jury hears testimony in Burns murder case".

Below is that article:

"Grand jury hears testimony in Burns murder case
BY ELISSA PAQUETTE Staff Writer
OSSIPEE — New Hampshire
Senior Assistant Attorney General Jeff Strelzin made an appearance in the Superior Court for Southern Carroll County in Ossipee before the grand jury on Nov. 13 to question Jamie Vittum of Wolfeboro, in connection with the investigation of the May 10 murder of Stacey Burns. For those anxiously awaiting an arrest of the murderer, there is no news yet on that front, but the court action is a sign that work is in progress. When questioned on the court appearance, Strelzin maintained silence on specifics of the case – as he has all along – but did say that his office and the NH State Police Major Crimes Unit, along with the Wolfeboro Police Department “continue to work hard” on the investigation.
A witness subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury in an investigative matter is sworn to tell the truth or risk perjury charges if that testimony is shown to be false in a subsequent jury trial. Last June, Vittum testified on behalf of her ex-husband, Jim Vittum, when a restraining order against him was sought by Stacey Burns’ ex-husband Ed Burns for stalking. The court denied Burns’ petition. Jim Vittum has stated publicly that he was a friend of Stacey Burns and her boyfriend for about a year until a month before her death. Strelzin has not named any suspects and continues to refrain from offering a timeline for resolution of the case."

capngary
11-18-2009, 09:05 PM
:emb:It looks like Jeff is just trying to do "something."

SIX months have gone by and the case gets staler by the day! What's next, Jeff, a PSYCHIC????????????????????

JOHN WALSH.... C'MOOOOOOON DOOOOOOOOOOWN!:emb:

breathe easy
11-18-2009, 10:45 PM
The "buzz" around Wolfeboro is the convening of a Grand Jury. (Usually the sign of a weak case).


Lot's of people have gone to prison after grand jury indictments.....

capngary
11-23-2009, 06:43 PM
Lot's of people have gone to prison after grand jury indictments.....

So far... Just CONVENED...

One might have hoped that by THANKSGIVING this MOTHER'S DAY murder could have been solved...

"If you would like to have a case considered for the show, please send all facts to:

America's Most Wanted
PO Box Crime TV
Washington DC 20016

Please make sure to note whether there is a known fugitive charged with the crime, or whether the perpetrator is yet to be identified. If charges have been filed, please note the police agency that filed the charges. It is also helpful to let us know what photos and/or video are available of the victim and the fugitive."

Mr. V
11-23-2009, 08:49 PM
I am pretty sure the cops know who did it, but they are concerned about compiling the necessary degree of proof, proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

I am surprised they don't have DNA, hair and fiber, or finger print evidence sufficient to support a charge.

Who wears gloves to a crime of passion?

dpg
11-24-2009, 08:12 AM
Hey I'm a jerk too!!

You people are a hoot. :laugh::laugh:

capngary
12-01-2009, 06:58 PM
America's Most Wanted wrote back and they are CONSIDERING this case. Please somebody write to them and suggest they talk to Kelly about how traumatic her Mom's death has been!

riverat
12-08-2009, 09:28 AM
http://http://fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091208/GJNEWS_01/712089937
http://http://fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091208/GJNEWS_01/712089945

coldcaseunit@dos.nh.gov

Mink Islander
12-08-2009, 12:16 PM
Who wears gloves to a crime of passion?

Uh, OJ Simpson? Oh that's right, he didn't do it. LOL.

Mr. V
12-08-2009, 07:47 PM
Uh, OJ Simpson? Oh that's right, he didn't do it. LOL.

OJ did not murder in the heat of passion.

He killed in a calculated manner; that's why he wore gloves.

Maybe the same thing here?

We'll find out eventually.

Greene's Basin Girl
12-09-2009, 01:54 AM
http://http://fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091208/GJNEWS_01/712089937
http://http://fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091208/GJNEWS_01/712089945

coldcaseunit@dos.nh.gov Monday evening on the WMUR newscast they talked about the most recent cold case. It was long before the suspicious death in Wolfeboro. I was surprised that the Wolfeboro case was not mentioned as the most recent unsolved murder.

capngary
12-22-2009, 02:21 PM
It's NOT a cold case, just cool...

Please don't forget the Burns' Kids! They won't be able to spend the holidays with their Mom. Send a little cheer their way!

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!

chowda
02-04-2010, 11:43 AM
Any news on the grand jury? It seems as if any investigation has stopped completely. Pathetic. All these supposed "big leads" and pointing the finger at one person in particular, you think they would have done something about it by now. Makes you wonder if they were after the wrong individual the whole time after all. Again, PATHETIC.

Mr. V
02-10-2010, 11:51 AM
It's been nine months since the Burns murder, and still ... nada.

The wheels of justice seem to turn awfully slowly at times.

chowda
03-02-2010, 09:06 AM
Where is John Walsh?!?! In all seriousness Capn G, do what you've got to do. Just get him up here! John Walsh, Nancy Grace, whoever that can get some answers. Are we really getting that close to a year without this being resolved? Is it really true that evidence was botched/lost? Come on! There has got to be somebody out there that knows or heard something since then. We all need to start calling Concord and get them going on this again.

SAMIAM
03-02-2010, 09:29 PM
Local and state pd should be ashamed......only a very few people could have done this crime.....meanwhile....an innocent person is twisting in the wind while the guilty one is enjoying their freedom.

Mr. V
03-03-2010, 12:10 PM
I too am puzzled at the lack of an arrest.

The killer either got very lucky or was very methodical in planning, as one would think an arrest would follow based on fingerprints, DNA, hair and fiber or the like.

While I suppose the cops investigating it could be incompetent, I prefer not to think so; rather, I suspect a lack of evidence to date.

Once you charge a person with murder, the accused has a constitutional right to a speedy trial, and if the evidence is weak, the defense attorney will probably not waive it.

Why arrest someone only to have them walk due to lack of evidence?

Keep digging, keep investigating til they get it right, then arrest.

And if for whatever reason insufficient evidence is found, well, where do you think the expression "got away with murder" originated?

chowda
03-10-2010, 09:43 AM
I think the police might have hit a brick wall because they were going in the direction of just one person the whole time. Like SAMIAM said, letting the guilty one enjoy their freedom and leaving the innocent one twisting in the wind. I still think the police might not have given enough consideration to the possibility of having been the previously mentioned female. Most everybody in town knows she was both mean and unhinged enough. Well worth looking into in my book. It doesn't seem that they have gotten too far with their previous inquiries. I'm sure it made the investigation difficult having more than one "person of interest", so I'll leave it at that.

capngary
03-11-2010, 03:49 PM
Local and state pd should be ashamed......only a very few people could have done this crime.....meanwhile....an innocent person is twisting in the wind while the guilty one is enjoying their freedom.

And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!:(

DC Pointer
03-11-2010, 08:37 PM
Two deaths inside of two years with absolutley zero justice served. Not even an explanation as to WHY OR WHO OR WHAT? Especially in Wolfeboro. What the hell is going on here? :confused:

trfour
03-11-2010, 11:47 PM
Two deaths inside of two years with absolutley zero justice served. Not even an explanation as to WHY OR WHO OR WHAT? Especially in Wolfeboro. What the hell is going on here? :confused:


And today's ( Sign Of The Times ), No Reminder Needed, that Fair Trial and Due Process can and does frustrate! The waist lines of Government and Lawyers continues to balloon, however, Hanging the innocent in the streets has been abolished in this Country - +.

Now, let us put our brains together and help where we can, in the above Mess!



Terry
_____________________________

chowda
03-15-2010, 11:34 AM
Diamind? I'm sorry DC Pointer, but are you speaking of the Diamond Island incident? I agree with trfour concerning the waistlines. Any ideas on the helping with the "Mess" as you put it? There have been suggestions of going to the press, contacting John Walsh or others. At this point I don't think there are any bad ideas, since we don't ALL know whom is innocent.

Back to SAMIAM, you are so right. The police should be ashamed, and also Strezlin. They could at least have given us the facade that they care. They could give an occasional update in the paper or news. They could have told the truth about what happened in October. They could have stopped much of the rumors circulating in town by eliminating people that they are positive were not involved and by dispelling much of the ridiculous gossip. Instead, they have told us nothing, which leads to the image that they have done nothing.

old coot
03-15-2010, 09:29 PM
Diamind? I'm sorry DC Pointer, but are you speaking of the Diamond Island incident? I agree with trfour concerning the waistlines. Any ideas on the helping with the "Mess" as you put it? There have been suggestions of going to the press, contacting John Walsh or others. At this point I don't think there are any bad ideas, since we don't ALL know whom is innocent.

Back to SAMIAM, you are so right. The police should be ashamed, and also Strezlin. They could at least have given us the facade that they care. They could give an occasional update in the paper or news. They could have told the truth about what happened in October. They could have stopped much of the rumors circulating in town by eliminating people that they are positive were not involved and by dispelling much of the ridiculous gossip. Instead, they have told us nothing, which leads to the image that they have done nothing.
I am in complete agreement with your 2nd paragraph elaboration of SAMIAM's original premise.
oc

chowda
03-25-2010, 09:32 PM
The way I see it, us locals have it down to three distinct possibilities. Are there more that I don't know of? (serious possibilities) I know at least one has undergone a polygraph. Why not all three? I'm for waterboarding at this point. Give me a break. At least two out of three is still here taking the heat.

tis
03-26-2010, 07:26 AM
Anybody know the story on the house being for sale? Where are they moving etc.?

Petah
03-26-2010, 11:17 AM
Who would be the third "suspect" who is not taking the heat?

chowda
04-02-2010, 08:00 AM
Petah, you've got a lot of catching up to do! You should take about an hour or two and start reading all 197 posts on this. The third person I am speaking of is the flight attendant that moved to Portsmouth this Summer. The same one that barged into Stacey's house the Thursday before Mother's Day and threatened her. She stalked Stacey and the new "BF" (the flight attendant's EX) on their dates, etc. None of this means that she is the one who did this, but it definitely gives the appearance of motive. I just feel that this individual should be held under the same scrutiny as the other two.

CaptainGary, any word on John Walsh?

jlynn
04-03-2010, 08:46 AM
And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!:(

No mention of the fact that he did not work 2 years prior to his ex wife's death (and was $6000.00 behind on his child support and due to go to court the day after her death) or the fact that he has had no license due to a second offense DWI. His life is ruined? I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around". He made a beautiful persons life miserable for years. Now he's getting his just rewards.

jlynn
04-03-2010, 09:07 AM
And we ALL know whom that innocent person is! His life has been ruined. He is unable to work to support his FIVE children until this case is solved! So... It has been almost a YEAR! I'll be getting back with Mr. Walsh on the "anniversary" date!

I really can't think of any crime worthy of investigating more than this one. Mother's Day!:(

And by the way, not "ALL" people know who the innocent person is. Speak for yourself!

chowda
04-10-2010, 09:38 PM
At this point nobody is getting "just rewards" the way I see it. Lifetime in prison will be the minimal "reward" there.

Merlin's Moon
04-23-2010, 11:38 AM
Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You

Heaven
04-23-2010, 04:43 PM
I have been curious but afraid to ask, as it is none of my business, but the move out of town in the middle of the school year (and leaving friends etc) , , , speculation as to if that was something the kids wanted to do (maybe be out of that house come mother's day?), or, not?

jlynn
04-29-2010, 07:18 AM
Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You
Merlin, You are true idiot! Get your facts straight before saying something so assanine as "Mr. Vittum was on the edges of a mysterious death". It's people like you that start RIDICULOUS rumors about hurtful things that you don't know anything about! Shame on you!!!! Your as sick as your "innocent Mr. Burns". I'm so glad that your so sure that Ed did not do this. Your are one of the few. Read the May 14th 2009 article. Staceys words from her grave. If you knew the situation AT ALL you would know that Stacey had been fearful for a long time that Ed would kill her. He said he would and I and MANY others believe that he followed through with it. The only inteliigent thing that you said here was not to forget justice for Stacey. The most painful thing for the kids is losing a beautiful, wonderful Mother. The second painful thing is that they now have to live their lives with an abusive, angry alcoholic father. As for Mr. Vittum enjoying celebrity and exaggerating his involvement with Stacey? Are you crazy? (no need to respond to that). I reiterate, your an Idiot. Thankfully the majority of people who know the truth, Staceys closet friends, people who know the facts, back Mr. Vittum 100%.

jlynn
04-29-2010, 01:29 PM
Is New Hampshire the place you should come to commit murder? Let's see a beautiful, peaceful resort area who has not had a homicide in 29-30 years? and the State Clunkhead Police cant get an arrest let alone a conviction on a man who still enjoys the freedom he stole in a detestable way from the mother of five children? Swat team has been called to the house in the past because "father" just cant keep his stuff together 23 hours out of 24. But then we have Jim Vittum who has muchly enjoyed his "celebrity" in this macabre little thing he has going, trying to "assist" the police, by his own words "he is right in the middle of it" also he crows about failing his lie detector test, secret hallways in the Burns home and very much exaggerates his involvement with Stacey Burns. This is not the first death with mysterious overtones Mr.Vittum has been on the edges of. Many years ago. What kind of D.A. has to have more,more,more to make an arrest,convene a grand jury whatever they do? Does he/she need a video of the actual murder before he/she feels secure enough to send this monster to prison for the rest of his miserable life?BTW -despicable as Ed Burns is? He did not do this. Stacey's poor children suffer everyday of their life with this set of "circumstances" - the heroic citizens of Wolfeboro have done so much to support these children, may God bless each and everyone of you. But Please do not forget Justice for Stacey,Michael,Shannon,Kelly,Madison and Morgan. God Bless You
By the way, Mr. Vittum did not "crow" over failing a lie detectors test. He stated that he was told he failed it (which is what the police do regardless of the outcome, read up on polygraphs and why they are not admissible in court). What makes you so sure that Mr. Burns did not do this crime? To know that you had to have been there or you did it yourself.....hmmmmmm If I were you I would be very careful about my accusations for fear that I would end up in court for slander. Yeah, the heroic people of Wolfeboro have done so much to "support" these children and not just emotionally. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Ed get a job? Theres a thought.

jmen24
04-29-2010, 02:13 PM
How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

Pepper
04-29-2010, 02:34 PM
How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is not the place for personal attacks against one another, nor is it a place for slanderous words against others. Please refrain from further attacks.

Thank you!

jlynn
04-29-2010, 03:44 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. This is not the place for personal attacks against one another, nor is it a place for slanderous words against others. Please refrain from further attacks.

Thank you!

This was never meant to be a personal attack as I don't even know this person "Merlin" but was bringing to this persons attention that hitting below the belt and being hurtful when he obviously doesn't know the facts is crossing the line. There is no room for rumor and speculation and I joined this forum thinking that opinions were welcome. My mistake.

jlynn
04-29-2010, 03:52 PM
How about this personal argument gets taken somewhere else. You both signed up this month and it is quite apparent that this is your only intention for being here.

You are both making very slanderous accusations toward other people and each other. Throw your stones somewhere else.

My intention was not to "attack" this person. I don't even know who he is. I was letting him know that some things he wrote are hitting below the belt and certainly not based on fact but rumor and speculation. Yes, I joined recently (and?) and am I mistaken or is this general discussion/suspicious death in Wolfeboro forum? Fortunately I only check in with this site on rare occasions but some of the comments on here are just to ridiculous to ignore. My bad.....

Pepper
04-29-2010, 04:09 PM
This was never meant to be a personal attack as I don't even know this person "Merlin" but was bringing to this persons attention that hitting below the belt and being hurtful when he obviously doesn't know the facts is crossing the line. There is no room for rumor and speculation and I joined this forum thinking that opinions were welcome. My mistake.

Calling someone a complete idiot is also crossing the line. We're not saying you are not welcome here - we're saying that you are engaging in the very behavior you are complaining about, and that behavior is what we protest. ;)

jlynn
04-29-2010, 04:40 PM
Calling someone a complete idiot is also crossing the line. We're not saying you are not welcome here - we're saying that you are engaging in the very behavior you are complaining about, and that behavior is what we protest. ;)

It is what it is Pepper. Did not mean in any way to offend the people on here with something intelligent to say and your right, I let myself engage in the very behavior that I am complaining about but as I said, a few things said on here are just too ridiculous to ignore. My mistake. So to avoid letting someones ignorant comments rile me, I cancel my membership. Take care all.....

PennyPenny
05-01-2010, 11:11 PM
No mention of the fact that he did not work 2 years prior to his ex wife's death (and was $6000.00 behind on his child support and due to go to court the day after her death) or the fact that he has had no license due to a second offense DWI. His life is ruined? I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around". He made a beautiful persons life miserable for years. Now he's getting his just rewards.

My ex has worked off and on for several years and owes over $45,000 in back child support. He has no license because of DWI'S, back taxes etc. I am still alive so far. My ex made our lives miserable for years as well. I think there is another person with a few answers possibly. Do the initials E.T. ring a bell with anyone? CREEPY man. Disclaimer no names mentioned.

gokart-mozart
05-02-2010, 08:21 AM
First of all, let me say I didn't know Mrs. Burns, I don't know Mr. Burns, and I don't know any of the suspects that are constantly being bandied about.

Of course, in a game of "whodunit" it would always be the ex-husband. This would be true even if there were no factors, as there apparently are in this case, which would tend to incriminate him.

Therefore, the fact that he has not been arrested, the fact that no excuse has been found to prevent him from having custody of his children, and the fact that a few subsequent (alleged) encounters with law enforcement have not resulted in an arrest suggest to me that the Major Crime Unit is looking elsewhere, probably with good reason.

Mr. Vittum has been named in the media as a possible suspect, and it is public record that Mrs. Vittum testified before a Grand Jury last fall. I suspect that, if there were ANY physical evidence tying him to her on the night of the murder that the State would already have taken the easy way out and indicted and tried him. When you look at the stories of people wrongly convicted of murder, most of them have had similar stories to the one Mr. Vittum himself told in his newspaper interview, so I have to believe that, as with Mr. Burns himself, the State has good reasons to look elsewhere.

The other "suspects" are all, as far as I know, "rumor only", so I won't name any of them. On several occasions, news stories about meetings hosted by the DA have mentioned those present as "State Police, WPD, DA's office, and 'other persons not named' ". There is a persistent rumor that these "other persons not named" are Federal LEOs. A Federal presence in this case, if true, would imply that the "local jealous man" story is not the direction that the DA is taking this case.

I certainly hope, for everyone's sake, that the DA at least gives a progress report soon, and for all of you who knew Mrs. Burns, I'm very sorry that you lost such a good friend.

tis
05-02-2010, 08:43 AM
I am not standing up for anyone, but it is my understanding that Ed is a retired Merchant Marine and I guess that they make pretty good money so maybe he doesn't need to work. I also agree it seems that if they had an idea that he was the guilty one, that they would not let him have custody of the kids all this time. Maybe I am wrong.

gokart-mozart
05-02-2010, 09:49 AM
I am not standing up for anyone, but it is my understanding that Ed is a retired Merchant Marine and I guess that they make pretty good money so maybe he doesn't need to work. I also agree it seems that if they had an idea that he was the guilty one, that they would not let him have custody of the kids all this time. Maybe I am wrong.

No, I think that's quite right.

I've been through "the system", so that no doubt colors my opinions. If everything that had ever been said about me in motions and orders, or by a hostile lawyer, were printed in the newspapers, my neighbors would have got up a lynch mob.

DYS and the other elements of "the system" exercise enormous and largely unreviewable powers, sometimes for good, sometimes not so much.

If the DA had a shred of evidence, or even reasonable suspicion, that Mr. Burns were guilty, the State would separate his children from him in the blink of an eye. I have assumed from Day One that he MUST either have a bulletproof alibi OR there must be physical evidence which would exonerate him.

Even IF "the system" were inclined to give fathers a break (absurd), just the agony those children would endure were their father to be arrested now would be enough reason to disallow this custodial arrangement.

For whatever reason, I think the State knows he's innocent.

capngary
05-09-2010, 11:00 AM
ONE YEAR NOW! No closure for anyone! Those poor children!

No, I think that's quite right.

I've been through "the system", so that no doubt colors my opinions. If everything that had ever been said about me in motions and orders, or by a hostile lawyer, were printed in the newspapers, my neighbors would have got up a lynch mob.

DYS and the other elements of "the system" exercise enormous and largely unreviewable powers, sometimes for good, sometimes not so much.

If the DA had a shred of evidence, or even reasonable suspicion, that Mr. Burns were guilty, the State would separate his children from him in the blink of an eye. I have assumed from Day One that he MUST either have a bulletproof alibi OR there must be physical evidence which would exonerate him.

Even IF "the system" were inclined to give fathers a break (absurd), just the agony those children would endure were their father to be arrested now would be enough reason to disallow this custodial arrangement.

For whatever reason, I think the State knows he's innocent.

You have it right! I've known Ed for over 20 years. The statements made in order to gain full custody of the children were fallacious. Ed is so distraught over the "guilty until proven innocent" attitude of the folks of Wolfeboro that he is moving out AFTER ONE YEAR. He just can't take it anymore. Someone mentioned that he "must have alot of money." He is on the verge of bankruptcy as a result of this heinous crime with 5 children to support. Someone got away with murder, put a very hard working individual into bankruptcy, deprived 5 children of their mother and is walking around after a year! Can we call this a COLD CASE yet?

Mr. V
05-09-2010, 12:03 PM
Oh, please!

With him being a widower with five kids at home, doesn't Social Security kick in to pay him a handsome monthly stipend?;)

I'm just sayin' ...

capngary
05-15-2010, 12:41 PM
Oh, please!

With him being a widower with five kids at home, doesn't Social Security kick in to pay him a handsome monthly stipend?;)

I'm just sayin' ...

NO! House is getting forclosed and electricity cut off!

Mr. V
05-15-2010, 04:00 PM
Social Security should pay him a benefit for the kids, not for him (he divorced her, IIRC), provided she paid into Social Security for ten or more years.

Maybe she didn't.

A pity.

tis
05-15-2010, 06:03 PM
Is that true? Social Security doesn't pay when the mother dies, only the father? I never realized that.

RI Swamp Yankee
05-15-2010, 08:22 PM
Social Security spousal benefits are not affected by gender. Even with 5 kids under 16 you ain't gonna get rich on SS surviving spousal benefits.

More info here: http://www.ssa.gov/pubs/10084.html

tis
05-16-2010, 07:56 AM
The people I know getting it got almost $2000 a month for each child. Guess it was because they made more money than you are thinking of RISY.

Eagle
05-16-2010, 10:46 AM
The people I know getting it got almost $2000 a month for each child. Guess it was because they made more money than you are thinking of RISY.
Absolutely impossible. Here is the quote from the manual:

Maximum family benefits
There is a limit to the benefits that can be paid to you and other family members each month. The limit varies, but is generally between 150 and 180 percent of the deceased’s benefit amount.

tis
05-16-2010, 05:52 PM
Why do you say it's impossible? Remember, I said ALMOST $2000. I can check on the the exact amount but I thought it was around $1800. I know I was pretty surprised when I heard how much they were getting. There were two kids in this case, a child and a step child.

Yosemite Sam
05-17-2010, 06:22 AM
Why do you say it's impossible? Remember, I said ALMOST $2000. I can check on the the exact amount but I thought it was around $1800. I know I was pretty surprised when I heard how much they were getting. There were two kids in this case, a child and a step child.

tis,

Could you check the exact amount that the children get that you talk about. Also could you find out if that is Social Security that they are getting and how they figured the total amount for each child. Ages and why they get SS would be nice also.

Thank You

Heaven
05-17-2010, 07:03 AM
If this is to be a discussion of SS benefits, can it be moved to a separate thread please?

capngary
06-23-2010, 06:16 PM
Ed is moving on with his life and getting out of Wolfeboro... The kids are all doing pretty good and that's most important. They will be attending one of the top schools in the state.

This heinous crime is now cold as ice... At least one person out there knows exactly whom committed it... The search goes on for someone with the "gift of gab" to elicit some information that will break this case...

It's always darkest before the dawn...:rolleye1:

capngary
06-23-2010, 06:26 PM
By the way, Mr. Vittum did not "crow" over failing a lie detectors test. He stated that he was told he failed it (which is what the police do regardless of the outcome, read up on polygraphs and why they are not admissible in court). What makes you so sure that Mr. Burns did not do this crime? To know that you had to have been there or you did it yourself.....hmmmmmm If I were you I would be very careful about my accusations for fear that I would end up in court for slander. Yeah, the heroic people of Wolfeboro have done so much to "support" these children and not just emotionally. Hey, I have an idea, why doesn't Ed get a job? Theres a thought.

It's libel, not slander...

Ed has a job...

Perhaps as a inlaw of Ed's you would like to coment on Stacey's Uncle...

old coot
06-23-2010, 07:01 PM
If someone's alibi is airtight, you could then know they didn't do the crime, without having been there as an eyewitness.

capngary
07-08-2010, 12:01 PM
Since the case is officially "cold," how about some "outside" help? Must be "OK" with the D.A.

Maybe the "lucky" investigative reporter just might "loosen" the right lips.

Line up!

1) 20/20:look:

2) America's Most Wanted

3) 48 Hours Mystery

4) 60 Minutes

ApS
08-18-2010, 02:44 AM
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fatlazyless
08-18-2010, 03:42 PM
With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents.


900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual.

Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind?

brk-lnt
08-18-2010, 04:09 PM
With all these posts this has probably been mentioned before but here's my two cents.


900-lbs of marijuana is worth a lot of money, and getting stopped on an interstate highway in the winter time in the Chicago, Illinois area for going 70-mph in a 65-mph speed zone seems unusual. Also, for the arresting officer who made the stop to be able to smell the odor of marijuana which presumably was wrapped, duffled, and carried in the cargo area of a full size pickup truck underneath a fiberglass tuneau cover also seems unusual.

Could it be that the police were aware of the vehicle before it was stopped, supposedly for speeding, and that the murder was retribution from a drug dealer, angry for his loss, because a cause & effect connection was real in his mind?

Doubtful.

I-94, which runs East/West through Michigan and Illinois is the primary drug corridor in that region (I grew up in the Detroit 'burbs). The police do a lot of "profiling" of vehicles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the mules. One of the main things that is a giveaway is a vehicle doing exactly 5 over on a roadway that usually has people doing 15-25 over for long stretches. Couple that with suspension sag and/or lack of suspension travel (from a beefed up undercarriage) on a road that is filled with potholes, and you have a high probability of a mule vehicle.

It doesn't take any "anonymous tips" to pick these vehicles off.

fatlazyless
08-19-2010, 06:00 PM
Doubtful. The police do a lot of "profiling" of vehicles and have gotten pretty good at picking out the mules.

It doesn't take any "anonymous tips" to pick these vehicles off.

Probably, I have seen too many police stories on the tv boob tube, but whatcha think about this possibility?

It was a full-sized, late model, big money Chevy pickup, so couldn't the police have been track'n it by gps with its' GM On-Star service and just used the excess 5-mph for an excuse to stop, and then used the supposed 'strong odor' as a reasonable cause to search the vehicle?

brk-lnt
08-19-2010, 06:25 PM
Probably, I have seen too many police stories on the tv boob tube, but whatcha think about this possibility?

It was a full-sized, late model, big money Chevy pickup, so couldn't the police have been track'n it by gps with its' GM On-Star service and just used the excess 5-mph for an excuse to stop, and then used the supposed 'strong odor' as a reasonable cause to search the vehicle?

No.

Go refold your tinfoil hat. They are getting to you.

chowda
08-20-2010, 10:30 PM
Why don't you think about the possibility that this all goes back to the first person in town that got busted, NOT Stacey Burns. Remember, the local guy that was a teacher/coach at a NH high school was arrested selling oxycontin. It was on the news and in the papers, and then all of a sudden nothing could be found online anymore. Somehow this same person never went to trial or jail and now lives in Virginia (hopefully not working at another school) without any of the problems that most would encounter after being caught committing such a crime. One could then also take into account the other ensuing drug related arrests in town. Maybe the serious possibility of a person actually arrested for dealing/ratting should be considered before attributing any of this to Stacey's murder. I just hope 20/20, along with the authorities are truly looking into ALL of the possible people that could have committed this crime and take into account ALL of the leads that they have been given.

tis
08-21-2010, 07:26 AM
That is interesting chowda. I didn't think of that connection. I did wonder how he got to just go away to Va. So you think he made a deal?

gokart-mozart
08-21-2010, 04:13 PM
I've wondered (and posted) about a possible drug connection for a long time - but I don't know any of the people involved, so trying to put it all together involves wild speculation.

1) I agree the JL bust is strange. I also agree he, or his vehicle, were probably targeted based on information coming from here.

2) After the arrest mentioned above, there WERE a lot of minor busts, plus the one in Brookfield which may have been not so minor.

3) Based on hearsay, the Burns murder was a passionate crime - that is, the killer inflicted injuries greater than required to achieve the desired end.

Most people have supposed that the passion was romantic in nature, somehow (jealousy). But there are other kinds of passion, for example, revenge or a warning to others.

I keep coming back to the "summit" that Strelzin had sometime in the Fall when the DA, NHSP, Major Crime Unit, WPD, and "others Strelzin declined to name" were present. Some have suggested those others were Feds.

If the Feds are involved in this case, in any way, then it's much more complicated than the "husband vs. boyfriend" speculators would have it. Perhaps we'll learn more from 20/20 - although I suspect Wolfe City will just wind up getting trashed.

Skip
08-25-2010, 10:39 AM
According to THIS (http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=ABC%27s+%2720%2f20%27+to+loo k+at+mom%27s+unsolved+killing&articleId=35a743c2-65b6-42ac-917a-863f539a4bf2) Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.

RI Swamp Yankee
08-25-2010, 11:07 PM
According to THIS (http://unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=ABC%27s+%2720%2f20%27+to+loo k+at+mom%27s+unsolved+killing&articleId=35a743c2-65b6-42ac-917a-863f539a4bf2) Union Leader story ABC's 20-20 will do a feature story on this case.

That was mentioned in post 232 by APS.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137128&postcount=232

secondcurve
08-26-2010, 06:23 AM
That was mentioned in post 232 by APS.

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=137128&postcount=232

It was but then there was an additional article with more information that Skip posted. Thanks Skip.

BrownstoneNorth
09-07-2010, 01:29 PM
Sorry if this was posted elsewhere -- I just came across it and didn't see anything here.

Granite State News

Lowry pleads guilty to marijuana charge in Illinois
by Elissa Paquette

WOLFEBORO — Wolfeboro Supervisor of the Checklist and former police commissioner Jim Lowry, 53, pled guilty to one of three separate felony counts in the Henry County Courthouse in Cambridge, Illinois on July 20.

The partially-negotiated plea included the dismissal of two counts, leaving the count of Class X manufacture/delivery of cannabis (greater than 5,000 grams) intact.

In accepting the plea, the court found Lowry's open plea of guilty "to be knowingly and voluntarily made."

Lowry was arrested on March 27, 2009 on Interstate 80 in Illinois driving a pick up truck carrying 900 pounds of marijuana estimated to have a Midwest street value of $2.25 million. Bond was set at $500,000 with a minimum cash payment of $50,000 and Lowry was set free to return to his hometown.

The court ruled on July 20 that Lowry must pay a minimum fine of $50,000 and $3,400 in additional costs. Both parties entered into an agreement that includes a cap of 16 years incarceration under the Illinois Department of Corrections. Actual jail time will be determined following a pretrial sentencing investigation and a sentencing hearing set for Sept. 17.

Town Clerk Pat Waterman said that Lowry will have the opportunity to resign his post as supervisor of the checklist, but that the town will not take any action on the matter until it receives official notice from the Illinois court. "Knowing Jim," said Waterman, "he'll do the right thing."

Supervisors Tom O'Dowd and Dennis Bean will appoint a replacement once they receive Lowry's resignation.

hilltopper
09-07-2010, 02:59 PM
"Knowing Jim," said Waterman, "he'll do the right thing."

Sorry, but I got a huge kick outta this statement...

jmen24
09-07-2010, 03:08 PM
Sorry, but I got a huge kick outta this statement...

Me too. :laugh:

BrownstoneNorth
09-07-2010, 04:25 PM
Me too. :laugh:

Me, three. But I must say that I think it was inappropriate to have moved the Jim Lowry Update post to this thread. I'm not aware of any evidence whatsoever of any linkage between that the Burns murder and the Lowry marijuana incident, and I certainly made no such link in my post. I think it should be treated as a separate matter unless or until proven otherwise.

chowda
09-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Seems to me if you had thought it was so inappropriate, you would not have posted your Jim Lowry Update here in the first place. Jim Lowry most definitely deserves a thread of his own. Maybe then a lot of the speculation and rumors concerning him in this thread would be avoided.

Petah
09-09-2010, 11:14 PM
Chowda, you seem to have more insight than most on this thread. Any updates on the three suspects you mentioned in the past? Do you know if 20/20 may have come up with any new revelations to this tragic case.

chowda
09-10-2010, 10:15 AM
I don't even know what I think about all of this anymore. From the beginning, I have never been positive of any one of the possibilities. I just don't want anyone overlooked because they don't fit the usual profile of having been an ex-boyfriend or ex-husband. I don't expect much to be gained from the 20/20 episode other than some mud-slinging and more speculation. Hopefully I am wrong. There is no way that the police gave 20/20 all the information concerning this case, as they made it appear to some of those interviewed. I think they were manipulating things and pitting people against each other to get a juicy episode. They could care less about Stacey, her family, or this town.

jmen24
09-10-2010, 04:00 PM
Seems to me if you had thought it was so inappropriate, you would not have posted your Jim Lowry Update here in the first place. Jim Lowry most definitely deserves a thread of his own. Maybe then a lot of the speculation and rumors concerning him in this thread would be avoided.

Chowda, the stand alone thread of the report was merged into this one and not by Brownstonenorth. That is why it is being questioned by Brownstone in the second post.