Virus Expert Just Said These States in Trouble

[trfour]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-said-these-states-in-trouble/ss-AAR531q?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[TiltonBB]

Too many threads about the virus! One thread is enough. If people have an interest they can see it there.

[trfour]

Too many threads about the virus! One thread is enough. If people have an interest they can see it there.

Hi TiltonBB,

I use a computer, so I can't quite understand what your talking about. I do know that by using a phone app that you can miss things on a webpage, however if only intersted in a thread, click on a thread you are interested in.

I'm not out here to create any problems, I leave that up to others.

Stay well,
Terry

[mswlogo]

Too many threads about the virus! One thread is enough. If people have an interest they can see it there.

We’re only allowed one thread on COVID in the section on COVID?

[ITD]

Didn't read the article, but the experts told us "15 days to slow the spread" and they have been wrong ever since....

[TiltonBB]

We’re only allowed one thread on COVID in the section on COVID?

When I go on this site I click on "new posts" to see what has been posted (about the Winnipesaukee area) recently. For the last year or so there have been several threads discussing, informing, ranting, about the same thing: Covid.

The opinions seem to range from "I am terrified, I will get vaccinated twice, get a booster shot, put on two masks, and hide under my bed, to I don't care about Covid, I am living my life like normal.

Sure, it is easy to skip all of them if someone is not interested but it would be easier if everything about the same subject were posted in the same thread.

It would probably be easier for those who love to read about Covid if all of the many posts were in one place too.

That is just my opinion, I am sure there are others.

[John Mercier]

They are all in the same Covid forum. Since you can see the title, just bypass them.

[SailinAway]

Tilton BB, I have to disagree. This pandemic is one the most important events of our lifetimes. It is many faceted. I believe the Covid forum has received more posts than any other forum at this website over the last two years. That shows that people are very interested in this topic and they need an outlet for discussing it. Asking people to post everything of interest, all news, etc. in one thread is impractical. It would result in an unfocused jumble. Are you actually just trying to say that Trfour is overposting? That's a matter of perception and opinion and up to the moderator to decide.

Or maybe you're saying you're sick of the whole topic of the pandemic. Well, New Hampshire is at an all-time high for infections. It's hard not to care when you think about the consequences of that.

[thinkxingu]

Tilton BB, I have to disagree. This pandemic is one the most important events of our lifetimes. It is many faceted. I believe the Covid forum has received more posts than any other forum at this website over the last two years. That shows that people are very interested in this topic and they need an outlet for discussing it. Asking people to post everything of interest, all news, etc. in one thread is impractical. It would result in an unfocused jumble. Are you actually just trying to say that Trfour is overposting? That's a matter of perception and opinion and up to the moderator to decide.

Or maybe you're saying you're sick of the whole topic of the pandemic. Well, New Hampshire is at an all-time high for infections. It's hard not to care when you think about the consequences of that.I agree it's important, but multiple/daily new threads with singular links, most without commentary, is excessive—especially when the discussion that follows is neither productive nor positive nor Winni related.

I think it's time to have focused threads and get back to what the forum is supposed to be.

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[SailinAway]

Thinkxingu, with infections at a record high, we're still where we were two years ago: local people need up-to-date information and a place to discuss this incredible event. Many people don't feel comfortable at this point going to public places where they can have in-person discussions, so forums play an important role in connecting people. The issue you raise is, what are valid topics for a "Winnipesaukee" forum. Unless otherwise defined by the moderator, I would say whatever is on the minds of people in this area. The home page and FAQs don't say that all or most posts should be about the Winnepesaukee area.

Still, you make valid points, especially about links posted with no discussion. If would be nice if people would summarize the main point of a linked article. But the counterpoint is that we can just skip those if we wish. It's also possible to block all of a member's posts if you don't like them.

We all want all of this misery---the pandemic, the economy, politics, etc.---to be over. Communication and an exchange of information and ideas can contribute to that. People are people and we can't really control how often they post or what they post about, except for the forum owner/moderator.

[thinkxingu]

Thinkxingu, with infections at a record high, we're still where we were two years ago: local people need up-to-date information and a place to discuss this incredible event. Many people don't feel comfortable at this point going to public places where they can have in-person discussions, so forums play an important role in connecting people. The issue you raise is, what are valid topics for a "Winnipesaukee" forum. Unless otherwise defined by the moderator, I would say whatever is on the minds of people in this area. The home page and FAQs don't say that all or most posts should be about the Winnepesaukee area.

Still, you make valid points, especially about links posted with no discussion. If would be nice if people would summarize the main point of a linked article. But the counterpoint is that we can just skip those if we wish. It's also possible to block all of a member's posts if you don't like them.

We all want all of this misery---the pandemic, the economy, politics, etc.---to be over. Communication and an exchange of information and ideas can contribute to that. People are people and we can't really control how often they post or what they post about, except for the forum owner/moderator.Yes, Covid is still a thing, but if we're going to continue to beat dead horses, we should keep the beating to as few threads as possible. Clearly, others feel the same, and we've lost some members over this, so maybe it's time to simplify.

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[John Mercier]

If you think about it, it really isn't a dead horse.
Our society has the technology to change to a format that has less human interaction and travel... but just never seems to really go there.

I compare it to all the decades that I have heard we are going to become a paperless society... yet I am still surrounded by paper.

We just don't change. Many expected that this would simply be over with, they wouldn't need to do anything, and life would go back to what it was.

With any luck, more will come to realize... that is never going to happen.

[SailinAway]

A new variant, Omicron, worse than Delta, was announced today. So no, Covid isn't a dead horse. People in New Hampshire are ACTING LIKE we're not in a state of emergency, including the governor, who is contemplating calling out the National Guard to work in overwhelmed hospitals but is not thinking of going back to mandates for masks, vaccines, or social distancing or a lockdown. In other words, the governor sees the emergency and is trying to stop it on the outcome end (hospitals, where people are sick and dying) rather than the cause end (unvaccinated people spreading the virus). He's acting like we no longer have the emergency we had when he issued emergency orders in 2020, when in fact the emergency is far greater today than it was at that time.

There is no relationship between being tired of hearing about Covid and the actual size of the threat. As long as the threat continues unabated, as long is it's actually increasing, people will want to discuss it.

We've all been hoping silently that there would be no variants. I've always thought that seemed unlikely. Then we hope silently that our current vaccinations will be effective against the new variant. Then the question becomes, what happens to our immune system and the virus when we load up on vaccines every 6 months? All pressing issues, not dead horses, sadly.

[John Mercier]

Not really... we get a flu vaccine every year just before medical science suggests that we will have a wave of infection.

Flu actually changed our society, but since we have been with it from birth... we just don't notice the change.

[LoveLakeLife]

There’s no emergency. It’s an infection. People who get it get sick then most people get better. Misery is an outlook. Live life and don’t engage in fear pornography.


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[WinnisquamZ]

Information from a local media outlet that’s not MUR
https://granitegrok.com/mg_windham/2021/11/nh-governor-sununu-you-are-responsible-if-a-child-is-injured-or-dies


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[thinkxingu]

Information from a local media outlet that’s not MUR
https://granitegrok.com/mg_windham/2021/11/nh-governor-sununu-you-are-responsible-if-a-child-is-injured-or-dies


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)This is awesome: all the links in that article are either to Gateway Pundit, a super biased site, or, get this, Granite Grok itself.

Like, Granite Grok cites itself as a source. The last time I saw something as bad was when Red State wrote an article that quoted Twitchy (owned by same company) that had quoted, you guessed it, Red State.

So objective!

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[WinnisquamZ]

Closed minds have a tendency to stay that way


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[TiltonBB]

Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.

The Sunshine State reported a daily average of 1,393 coronavirus cases as of Friday, six per 100,000, which was a two percent decrease over the last two weeks.

At the same time Florida reported the lowest amount of new cases in the country per capita, coronavirus cases are surging in many states where strict lockdown orders were issued by Democratic governors.

Michigan, where Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer imposed some of the most controversial restrictions in the nation during the height of the pandemic, leads the nation in daily coronavirus cases per capita.

The hope is that the states like Michigan and Minnesota who are experiencing a surge in cases will "learn from Florida's experience" and promote treatments that work as opposed to lockdowns which "we've seen time and time again" do not.

[WinnisquamZ]

Florida appears to be ahead of everyone. Do wish more individuals would do some research for themselves


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[Lakegeezer]

Watch out for news from GraniteGrok and especially the Gateway Pundit that Grok points to. Both are part of the fake news propaganda machine that grab nuggets of truth, then use common logical fallacies to weave a curtain of falsehoods. Using their logic, one could claim that drinking coffee or living in the lakes region causes all the ailments and deaths experienced there. Degree of causality is not part of the databases referenced, yet a high degree of causality is assumed by the articles. Check out Reuters's (https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-eu/fact-check-eudravigilance-does-not-say-covid-19-vaccines-have-killed-tens-of-thousands-of-people-idUSL1N2S924P)take on it to get a mainstream opinion.

[WinnisquamZ]

Watch out? Not sure what you mean. Listen to others and read what others have written and determining for yourself should always be the correct way. Can we get back to Florida’s success recovery from the virus


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[thinkxingu]

Closed minds have a tendency to stay that way


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)The fact that you posted that without actually looking up to see it was (at least partially, I've not finished with it) objectively false is exactly what you're claiming others do. The false part, by the way, is that the countries cited did not stop the vaccine, they put it on pause for a period for certain ages (and some didn't even do that). It took 30 seconds to discover the first false claim, so I didn't bother with the rest.

I'm equally critical of both sides, but the conservative ones posted here are just so ridiculous sometimes.

As for Florida, natural immunity will begin to bring the rates of death between blue and red states closer, but long-term efficacy of natural immunity is questionable.

Side note: the first, non-vaccine, year, deaths were similar between blue and red states because population levels of blue cities equaled lockdown/mask-resistant red cities. The second, vaccine, year showed a much greater disparity based on political lines.

Ultimately, though, we'll really only know what the "right" decision was years from now.

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[John Mercier]

They aren't conservative.
You are mistaking Republican for conservative... they are not one and the same.

[WinnisquamZ]

“Natural immunity is questionable” Millions of years of evolution says differently


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[thinkxingu]

“Natural immunity is questionable” Millions of years of evolution says differently


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)Well, except for all those other diseases and viruses that would maim, paralyze, or kill us without treatment.

You know, like hepatitis, mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus, meningitis, polio...

How's natural immunity doing with those?

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[Seaplane Pilot]

Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.

The Sunshine State reported a daily average of 1,393 coronavirus cases as of Friday, six per 100,000, which was a two percent decrease over the last two weeks.

At the same time Florida reported the lowest amount of new cases in the country per capita, coronavirus cases are surging in many states where strict lockdown orders were issued by Democratic governors.

Michigan, where Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer imposed some of the most controversial restrictions in the nation during the height of the pandemic, leads the nation in daily coronavirus cases per capita.

The hope is that the states like Michigan and Minnesota who are experiencing a surge in cases will "learn from Florida's experience" and promote treatments that work as opposed to lockdowns which "we've seen time and time again" do not.

Here’s a related article: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/11/27/states-mask-mandates-reporting-higher-coronavirus-numbers-maskless-florida/

[TiltonBB]

Sometimes the facts are just what they are. And sometimes, people still refuse to believe what is true!

[John Mercier]

Florida is in it outdoor mode, while Michigan is moving to the indoor mode.

That isn't new. They have seen it on every cycle.

What the concern is of each Governor is not the new cases, it is the hospitalization rate and the damage to the economy. They have to work to balance those out.

Same with several of the federal vaccine mandates, socialized medicine through the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid plays a big part in federal costs. For the State of NH it acts as a higher percentage cost than other States, so the Governor takes notice... and even private employers are noticing it in their new health insurance rates.

If we had a million new cases in NH tomorrow, but no one went to the hospital or lost a single day of work... it would not be an issue.

[TiltonBB]

Amid Michigan's fourth coronavirus surge, state health leaders issued a public health advisory on November 26, recommending everyone over the age of 2 wear a mask, regardless of vaccination status, when at indoor gatherings.
Businesses and other establishments were encouraged to put policies in place that require masks for all people who enter their buildings.

In the past week Florida has had 7 new Covid cases per 100,000 residents. Highly masked Michigan has had 85 new cases per 100,000.

Again, the facts speak for themselves.

[webmaster]

The home page and FAQs don't say that all or most posts should be about the Winnepesaukee area.

From the Posting Rules (in the FAQ):

"Your question or comment must be relevant to Lakes Region tourism, activities or topics."

From the Posting Guidelines (in the FAQ):

"Only post messages, pictures and comments that are directly related to Lakes Region topics and activities."

From the Overview (in the FAQ):

"We insist that posts are relevant to the Lakes Region of New Hampshire."

[SAMIAM]

Latest statistics show 86% of NH has at least one dose and 64% are fully vaccinated.
Seems to me that if the vaccine was working that new cases would be declining and not rising.

[thinkxingu]

Latest statistics show 86% of NH has at least one dose and 64% are fully vaccinated.

Seems to me that if the vaccine was working that new cases would be declining and not rising.Ummm...two things: 1. that leaves over 1/3 of the NH population unvaccinated and 2. we've known that breakthrough infections can occur but that major symptoms and death are largely avoided. That still holds true—a quick search of the lit shows that the great majority of people being hurt by Covid are unvaccinated.

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[Newbiesaukee]

Latest statistics show 86% of NH has at least one dose and 64% are fully vaccinated.
Seems to me that if the vaccine was working that new cases would be declining and not rising.

Just because something is logical, doesn’t mean it’s true.

IMO, part of the answer is there is significant evidence that the vaccinated can pass on the virus even if they are asymptomatic. This, again IMO, is the reason that the value of the vaccine is to prevent death and hospitalization. And it most certainly does. But the vaccine has less effect on transmission.

This is not a reason to be unvaccinated. The risk of death and hospitalization is much greater in the unvaccinated.

And the other reality is we still don’t know everything about the virus. And the statistics are also dependent on the various rates and kind of testing and reporting available. Reality is rarely simple.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Ummm...two things: 1. that leaves over 1/3 of the NH population unvaccinated and 2. we've known that breakthrough infections can occur but that major symptoms and death are largely avoided. That still holds true—a quick search of the lit shows that the great majority of people being hurt by Covid are unvaccinated.

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A study conducted in the UK shows the opposite:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/report-fully-vaccinated-account-81-covid-deaths-uk/

For those quick to “debunk” any information found in a conservative outlet, a link to the actual study can be found in the article.

[Newbiesaukee]

A study conducted in the UK shows the opposite:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/report-fully-vaccinated-account-81-covid-deaths-uk/

For those quick to “debunk” any information found in a conservative outlet, a link to the actual study can be found in the article.

Actually, if you read the study that gateway pundit misinterprets and misrepresents, it says nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. The conclusion of the report is that vaccines are safe and effective.

[Newbiesaukee]

I’ve avoided discussion some of these issues on the forum, but “in for a penny…..”

The statement has been made on these forums that:

Everyone should do his own research and draw conclusions as to what is best for him. ( substitute gender neutral,if you wish).

Absolutely nothing wrong with this position, BUT…

I don’t know squat about winterizing cars, the best kind of dock, the best roof material, Ford or Chevy and the forum has been unbelievably helpful in these relevant Lake discussions. But even after reading the helpful responses, I still am not really able to “do the research and draw conclusions” simply because I don’t have the background to understand some of the discussion and I don’t really know the accuracy of the informants, MOST of whom do seem to be knowlegible.”

On the other hand, I do have the background to understand the issues concerning Covid and I can read the original literature and make decisions based on this. And the other part is there are a lot of things that are not clear and are still unknown. Even experts need to understand enough to make the best decisions. And there should always be open mindedness about points of view.

When we go to the doctor we , hopefully, are given a diagnosis and an honest discussion of what is best for us. And we do ultimately make our decisions based on the doctors advice and either a second opinion or other valid sources of information.

The problem, as I see it with Covid is that the idea that “I’ll do my research and make my own decision and no one can tell me what to do.” has been so politicized as to make it just not reasonable. What kind of medical research has the pro basketball player done to justify not getting vaccinated? Or the master mechanic? Or, on a different subject such as winterizing, does a jerk like me decide who doesn’t even know what a battery tickler is?

End of rant.

[SailinAway]

From the Posting Rules (in the FAQ): "Your question or comment must be relevant to Lakes Region tourism, activities or topics." From the Posting Guidelines (in the FAQ): "Only post messages, pictures and comments that are directly related to Lakes Region topics and activities." From the Overview (in the FAQ): "We insist that posts are relevant to the Lakes Region of New Hampshire."

Thank you very much for this information. I did search the FAQs and didn't find those specific rules.

Are you saying that COVID-19 is not an appropriate topic for this website? If so, why is there a Covid forum?

Or are you saying that Covid topics are OK but they should pertain specifically to the Lakes Region? In that case, why haven't non-Lakes Region Covid threads been removed?

I see numerous threads that aren't related to the Lakes Region in, for example, home maintenance and automotive. I would hate to see those threads go as I've personally benefitted from members' expertise in those subforums.

I would be in favor of restricting the Covid subforum to Lakes Region topics of a practical nature like "Where can I get a vaccination in Gilford?" My reasons:

(1) It would end the spread of false information, like pandemic denial, that is a threat to public safety.
(2) Seeing the dark underbelly of human nature displayed in the Covid forum is depressing. I assume that the Winnipesaukee forum was originally intended to be uplifting. The Covid subforum is a downer.
(3) The Covid forum has driven a wedge between people.
(4) It projects a negative image of people in this area.

I would not like to see more policing of other subforums for Lakes Region content. If I live in the Lakes Region (I do), own a house here (I do), and have a home maintenance problem that forum members can answer, it's very valuable for me to be able to access their expertise. Members have also expressed that answering such questions is something they like to do. Contrary to the Covid subforum, the home maintenance and automotive forums have brought people together.

Along these same lines, I would really like to see a new subforum called Neighbor Helping Neighbor. Not everyone in the Lakes Region is well to do or has ready access to necessary services. Some are senior citizens, live alone, are in poor health, etc. A Neighbor Helping Neighbor subforum would allow people to ask for what they need and others to offer whatever they have to share (expertise, time, labor, things they no longer need and want to rehome).

Wouldn't that be much better than trading insults in the Covid subforum?

[John Mercier]

I do not think the webmaster is looking to stop you from posting... such that covid is a local issue.

Unfortunately covid, even in South Africa, has become an issue for the Lakes Region.

Because it was sent from corporate on Wednesday, and my local manager was not in, I didn't see the new situation that every employee in communal areas will need to be masked until future notice... if only for a minute or two. I didn't realize it until I made a transfer to Meredith... their manager had worked over the weekend so they were all made aware.

So Monday, I am masked regardless of vaccine status... and I have seen a lot of customers with masks... so it does have some effect in the area.

[thinkxingu]

A study conducted in the UK shows the opposite:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/report-fully-vaccinated-account-81-covid-deaths-uk/

For those quick to “debunk” any information found in a conservative outlet, a link to the actual study can be found in the article.

Anddd here you go: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/19/facebook-posts/claim-covid-19-uk-ignores-data-showing-death-more-/

Do you even read the articles you post? As Newbie pointed out above, the (factual) study is grossly misinterpreted by The Daily Expose, a conspiracy-theorist website, is the source of the quote that The Gateway Pundit, also a conspiracy-theorist website, quotes as "evidence."

Here's a nice graphic that might help you.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211128/062d809684bd011f665017a80e5547c0.jpg

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[FlyingScot]

For those quick to “debunk” any information found in a conservative outlet, a link to the actual study can be found in the article.

As John pointed out that conservative and Republican are not the same thing--we should also note that misinformation and conservative are not the same thing. You don't see people quickly dismissing articles from the Wall Street Journal or Forbes, just for example. But when there are repeated posts from laughable misinformation or disinformation sites, you should expect them to be called for what they are

[John Mercier]

Websites aren't going to matter.
The economy is front and center... and federal support is largely gone.

Biden authorized a coordinated release of crude from the reserve... but as we see covid is what really brought the crude futures back down to Earth.

I know that the government contract mandate is really going to shake up the situation... but even that will shake out rather quickly in a month or two.

[FlyingScot]

They aren't conservative.
You are mistaking Republican for conservative... they are not one and the same.

Good point, but an easy mistake to make. We're in a situation where the loudest Republican voices assert they are the most conservative people, while doing very unconservative things.

Deficit spending increases during the Trump administration were at levels that would make conservatives blush, just as one example.

President Trump's friendliness to Russia was also very new for a group that coined the phrase "Evil Empire".

I am not opining on whether these things were good or bad, only noting that they were not conservative.

[John Mercier]

Conservatives are defined as conserving...
Basically we are taught from birth... Waste not, Want not.
Politicians of either party are a different breed, they flow to whatever they feel will get them the vote.

For us, the vaccines mean less time loss at work (hopefully), less time lying around (I spend more time working to increase the productivity of my property during my down time), and less medical costs (going to the hospital for most means a bill - a very costly bill).

[FlyingScot]

Conservatives are defined as conserving...
Basically we are taught from birth... Waste not, Want not.
Politicians of either party are a different breed, they flow to whatever they feel will get them the vote.

For us, the vaccines mean less time loss at work (hopefully), less time lying around (I spend more time working to increase the productivity of my property during my down time), and less medical costs (going to the hospital for most means a bill - a very costly bill).

Very admirable and easy to understand. Also harkens back to when people who described themselves as conservative sought to protect the environment. I have never thought of myself as conservative, but I do try to be conservative in the way you define it. Cheers

[SAMIAM]

A fair point.....but if those who are vaccinated can still carry, spread and contact covid 19.......why are we demonizing the unvaccinated. Looks like everyone is in the same boat

[John Mercier]

Because I was forced to stay home because I carried the virus to, and I quote, ''Protect those that are not vaccinated''. Why should I have to protect them from a choice they made?
I have seen my medical insurance premiums rise dramatically... it isn't because I was sitting in an ER or hospitalized.

[Newbiesaukee]

A fair point.....but if those who are vaccinated can still carry, spread and contact covid 19.......why are we demonizing the unvaccinated. Looks like everyone is in the same boat

Except the chances of hospitalization and death are much greater in the unvaccinated. And aside from the obvious, the unvaccinated are a greater economic burden. Not everyone is in the same boat at all.

[John Mercier]

I think that is why we are slowly seeing the businesses transfer the medical premiums back onto their workers. It places more responsibility on the individual do what they can to remain symptom free.

The loss time for the various outlets will continue to show up in higher costs registered as inflation.

Interesting thing on the health care side, Medicare Part A is not in the best of shape... so more hospitalizations may have serious implications on retribution rates and what facilities will end their attachment to Medicare.

Medicaid directly impacts the State budget (that includes uncompensated care), so the outcome is a bit more collective on that front.

[FlyingScot]

A fair point.....but if those who are vaccinated can still carry,spread and contact covid 19.......why are we demonizing the unvaccinated.Looks like everyone is in the same boat

I don't think anyone has demonized the unvaccinated. That is not the same thing as being disappointed in their actions or even requiring them to be vaxxed to keep their jobs.

The chances of a vaccinated person contracting/spreading are far less than those of an unvaccinated person.

[SAMIAM]

Actually in favor of vaccinations.......just curious about the controversy

[FlyingScot]

Actually in favor of vaccinations.......just curious about the controversy

I agree, sadly, that the controversy itself is fascinating.

A very thoughtful cousin said to me a few weeks ago that the capacity for sophisticated thought separates humans from other species. But the irony is that our capacity for thought does not give us the capacity to change our behavior on these complex issues. In this case, we have the ability to protect the entire world, but we have not done so.

[WinnisquamZ]

The same can be said for eliminating poverty, we have not. Eliminating hunger and homelessness, we have not. Eliminating wars, we have not. However, you believe we have the capacity to eliminate this virus.


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[TiltonBB]

In this case, we have the ability to protect the entire world, but we have not done so.

We just have to wait! Everyone is on their way here coming across the southern border.

[FlyingScot]

The same can be said for eliminating poverty, we have not. Eliminating hunger and homelessness, we have not. Eliminating wars, we have not. However, you believe we have the capacity to eliminate this virus.


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YES! EXACTLY! I did not mean to suggest that this is the only situation, this phenomena is everywhere, including your great examples. I did mean to point out that there is a difference between our thoughts and our "capacity". We do not have the capacity to be governed by our rational thoughts.

To your examples--We have the brains and resources to eliminate poverty, at least in the USA, yet we do not. Wars are not the product of rational humanitarian thinking anywhere--everyone knows that at least one side will suffer terribly, and we keep choosing to enter them. We know that if we vaccinated everybody worldwide, covid would pretty much disappear; yet we do not choose to do this.

This occurs at a personal level stuff too. Just recall all the things you've done that conflicted with your own rational thought.

[trfour]

Dr. Anthony Fauci says we should do 8 things to deal with the Omicron variant.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-anthony-fauci-says-we-should-do-8-things-to-deal-with-the-omicron-variant/ar-AARjl3V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Mutations on the spike proteins of the variant caught the attention of researchers who have been on the lookout for changes that could worsen the pandemic.


https://www.nbcnews.com/science/science-news/omicron-variant-scientists-world-reacted-quickly-rcna6979

[Woodsy]

We know that if we vaccinated everybody worldwide, covid would pretty much disappear; yet we do not choose to do this.

This statement is patently untrue.... Unfortunately the vaccine does not prevent the spread and thus does not prevent mutation of Covid. The CDC published a report that showed similar viral loads in vaccinated people as they did in unvaccinated people.

In the P-Town Delta outbreak, 74% of the people were vaccinated. Omicron is poised to be even more pervasive. Luckily the vaccines are good at keeping people out of the hospital. Unfortunately, they do not prevent employee downtime...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

Woodsy

[John Mercier]

I doubt they could have made the argument with a straight face that I had to isolate - downtime - to protect those that are not vaccinated if everyone on the planet was vaccinated.

[FlyingScot]

This statement is patently untrue.... Unfortunately the vaccine does not prevent the spread and thus does not prevent mutation of Covid. The CDC published a report that showed similar viral loads in vaccinated people as they did in unvaccinated people.

In the P-Town Delta outbreak, 74% of the people were vaccinated. Omicron is poised to be even more pervasive. Luckily the vaccines are good at keeping people out of the hospital. Unfortunately, they do not prevent employee downtime...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w

Woodsy

The vaccines reduce infections and thus spread and mutation dramatically. I can't believe I still have to type that or that you think covid would have any significance at all if everyone was vaxxed.

In P-town hundreds of young people descended on crowded bars to get up close and personal with strangers. Moronic and highly unusual--they were basically bathing themselves in other people. I can't believe you hold that up as some sort of typical happening.

I leave your gain of function posts alone because they are so out there that nobody believes them. Please go back to those

[Woodsy]

The vaccines reduce infections and thus spread and mutation dramatically. I can't believe I still have to type that or that you think covid would have any significance at all if everyone was vaxxed.

In P-town hundreds of young people descended on crowded bars to get up close and personal with strangers. Moronic and highly unusual--they were basically bathing themselves in other people. I can't believe you hold that up as some sort of typical happening.

I leave your gain of function posts alone because they are so out there that nobody believes them. Please go back to those

I give you the link to the CDC study on Ptown... and yet you dismiss precisely what it says! You claim the vax reduces infection, yet despite MA having a 69% vaccination rate at that time, out of the 469 people who contracted Covid in this incident, 346 (74%) were fully vaxxed! 74%! The CDC study found similar viral loads in vaxxed/unvaxxed people, indicating that despite being vaxxed, you can still transmit Covid! You dismiss the Ptown outbreak as "moronic and unusual"... However, Ptown was studied precisely because it represents a typical large gathering!

The US currently has an average vax rate of 59%... yet we have had more infections this year than last year. With a 59% vax rate one would think it would be much lower.

You cannot have it both ways! If the CDC is to be believed, then the message on the CDC website that states despite being fully vaccinated you can still catch & spread Covid is truthful... and Ptown outbreak backs that message up!

The ONLY thing the vax is good at is keeping a person's symptoms relatively mild (if any symptoms) and out of the hospital... thus conserving an already low resource (medical care) and $$$ that would have to pay for it. Unfortunately, the vax has had little effect on the lost time due to quarantine and the affect that lost time has on the economy. A scary sidebar is an asymptomatic vaxxed person spreading the virus without knowing.

Woodsy

[fatlazyless]

Will everybody please pray for Marcus Lamb, 64 ...... www.cbsnews.com/news/marcus-lamb-daystar-covid-death-vaccine-misinformation/ ..... "a vaccine skeptic who repeatedly suggested on air that people pray instead of getting vaccinated."

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/01/us/marcus-lamb-dead.html

[Newbiesaukee]

In September of 2020, if the announcement were made that the new “warp speed” vaccine produced during the Trump administration would remarkably reduce death and hospitalization due to Covid, there would be rejoicing and a mad rush to get vaccinated.


It is also true, according to the latest studies and the scientific consensus, that even the fully vaccinated can still be infected with the virus and transmit it to others….whether the vaccinated person has no symptoms or mild symptoms.

This is why, according to the LATEST CDC recommendation, that in some circumstances even the vaccinated should mask up in large indoor spaces and in areas with a high transmission rate, such as NH. And in some circumstances, even in large outdoor gatherings.

What is still in some dispute is just how easily the vaccinated can transmit it. The latest study suggests that the vaccinated transmit it as easily as the unvaccinated. That is how science works, you learn as you go.

The truth is there is still a lot we don’t know about Covid, the original alpha variant as well as those to come.

The most important lesson is that we would be in a lot better shape if more people were vaccinated, regardless of how easily the vaccinated can spread the virus.

And, miracle of miracles, with full vaccination Covid might be only as dangerous as the Flu.

[FlyingScot]

I give you the link to the CDC study on Ptown... and yet you dismiss precisely what it says! You claim the vax reduces infection, yet despite MA having a 69% vaccination rate at that time, out of the 469 people who contracted Covid in this incident, 346 (74%) were fully vaxxed! 74%! The CDC study found similar viral loads in vaxxed/unvaxxed people, indicating that despite being vaxxed, you can still transmit Covid! You dismiss the Ptown outbreak as "moronic and unusual"... However, Ptown was studied precisely because it represents a typical large gathering!

The US currently has an average vax rate of 59%... yet we have had more infections this year than last year. With a 59% vax rate one would think it would be much lower.

You cannot have it both ways! If the CDC is to be believed, then the message on the CDC website that states despite being fully vaccinated you can still catch & spread Covid is truthful... and Ptown outbreak backs that message up!

The ONLY thing the vax is good at is keeping a person's symptoms relatively mild (if any symptoms) and out of the hospital... thus conserving an already low resource (medical care) and $$$ that would have to pay for it. Unfortunately, the vax has had little effect on the lost time due to quarantine and the affect that lost time has on the economy. A scary sidebar is an asymptomatic vaxxed person spreading the virus without knowing.

Woodsy

It's not that I claim the vax reduces infections, it's that clinical trials prove it.

You seem to be hung up on the idea that if any vaxxed person becomes infected, that disproves the vaccines. This is ridiculous--nobody has said the vaccines are perfect. If, just for example, you read that a vaccine is 90% effective, that means that (all else being equal) a vaccinated person has reduced his chance of infection by only 90% compared to an unvaxxed person with the same lifestyle and level of exposure. It should be obvious that this is extraordinarily good.

But this is all exposure dependent--if a vaxxed person amps up his exposure, he also amps up his chance of getting covid. I don't know if you've ever been to a crowded bar or dance club that caters to singles, or maybe seen one on TV? These extremely tight quarters with hundreds of sweating heavy breathers all trying to maximize their contact with others. This was not tea and crumpets on the beach.

Get vaxxed. Stay out of mosh pits

[thinkxingu]

It's not that I claim the vax reduces infections, it's that clinical trials prove it.

You seem to be hung up on the idea that if any vaxxed person becomes infected, that disproves the vaccines. This is ridiculous--nobody has said the vaccines are perfect. If, just for example, you read that a vaccine is 90% effective, that means that (all else being equal) a vaccinated person has reduced his chance of infection by only 90% compared to an unvaxxed person with the same lifestyle and level of exposure. It should be obvious that this is extraordinarily good.

But this is all exposure dependent--if a vaxxed person amps up his exposure, he also amps up his chance of getting covid. I don't know if you've ever been to a crowded bar or dance club that caters to singles, or maybe seen one on TV? These extremely tight quarters with hundreds of sweating heavy breathers all trying to maximize their contact with others. This was not tea and crumpets on the beach.

Get vaxxed. Stay out of mosh pitsHas anyone seen data or information on how vaccinated vs. unvaccinated have behaved in terms of risk exposure? Specifically, do vaccinated people take more risks and, as such, have a higher likelihood of being exposed in the first place?

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[Newbiesaukee]

Has anyone seen data or information on how vaccinated vs. unvaccinated have behaved in terms of risk exposure? Specifically, do vaccinated people take more risks and, as such, have a higher likelihood of being exposed in the first place?

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I sorta,maybe, know what you’re asking. But in evaluating ones risk exposure, regardless of what the vaccinated do, their risk for a particular activity, in terms of death and hospitalization, will be less than the unvaccinated.

The REAL risk takers are the unvaccinated.

But there is a difference between real risk and perceived risk. The person who believes his magic feather will protect him from Covid is not really a “risk taker” by exposing himself to the virus.

[fatlazyless]

Well ...... organized indoor pickleball run by the local town recreation depts is happening. I play about three or four times per week with no one wearing a mask and no vaccination requirement. No one has asked to see my CVS official Triple-Vaxx government vaccination card to get inside the gym, yet. When you play pickleball the dynamics and socialization involved whomps the hell out of any stray virus strands alive inside the large indoor gymnasium and the covid doesnt have no chance to make contact with a pickleball player! ...... ;):banana:

Hey ...... what the hay ..... iff'n I actually get whomped by the covid ...... I'm think'n it will backfire in a good way ...... and whomp the holy hell out of my tinnitus. Covid trumps tinnitus ...... and I come out the big winner! Weeeeooooo ...... :D

[thinkxingu]

I sorta,maybe, know what you’re asking. But in evaluating ones risk exposure, regardless of what the vaccinated do, their risk for a particular activity, in terms of death and hospitalization, will be less than the unvaccinated.

The REAL risk takers are the unvaccinated.

But there is a difference between real risk and perceived risk. The person who believes his magic feather will protect him from Covid is not really a “risk taker” by exposing himself to the virus.I appreciate the nuance, but I was looking more for generalities. For example, I went to a comedy show (Gary Gulman) in Boston last week that required proof of vaccination and mask wearing. In that scenario, "vaccinated" people (I'm assuming some weren't really) were increasing their odds of exposure in a way that unvaccinated were not.

Also, are more of those unmasked people in public spaces vaccinated people who are more confident or is there a relationship between "safety minded" people and masks in general...even after being vaccinated?

So many questions!

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[WinnisquamZ]

I appreciate the nuance, but I was looking more for generalities. For example, I went to a comedy show (Gary Gulman) in Boston last week that required proof of vaccination and mask wearing. In that scenario, "vaccinated" people (I'm assuming some weren't really) were increasing their odds of exposure in a way that unvaccinated were not.

Also, are more of those unmasked people in public spaces vaccinated people who are more confident or is there a relationship between "safety minded" people and masks in general...even after being vaccinated?

So many questions!

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Why do you assume some individuals are lying about their vaccine status? Sitting in a crowded theater enjoying a comedy show this time of year is a risk you are willing to take. Many of us wouldn’t take pandemic or not


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[LoveLakeLife]

Congregating in bars with strangers, whether in Provincetown or elsewhere, is normal human social behavior, and the opposite of moronic. Normal people have moved well beyond the pathological virus panic and discarded the useless masks and begun to live their lives out from under their beds again. The fad of fixation on the virus has faded, as all fads do. Virtually no one pays attention to those who want to cling to being miserable and trying to make others join them in their misery.


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[Seaplane Pilot]

Congregating in bars with strangers, whether in Provincetown or elsewhere, is normal human social behavior, and the opposite of moronic. Normal people have moved well beyond the pathological virus panic and discarded the useless masks and begun to live their lives out from under their beds again. The fad of fixation on the virus has faded, as all fads do. Virtually no one pays attention to those who want to cling to being miserable and trying to make others join them in their misery.


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Congratulations! This is the best post of 2021 - period, end of discussion. :cheers: The panic porn crowd will continue to push this ridiculous narrative until they're out of breath. Their house of cards is rapidly collapsing, as is the administration that's pushing this nonsense.

[thinkxingu]

Why do you assume some individuals are lying about their vaccine status? Sitting in a crowded theater enjoying a comedy show this time of year is a risk you are willing to take. Many of us wouldn’t take pandemic or not


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)I don't know how widespread it is, but I've been told by people they've been vaccinated only to find out later they weren't, so I'm assuming that applies to some in general.

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[Garcia]

I don't know how widespread it is, but I've been told by people they've been vaccinated only to find out later they weren't, so I'm assuming that applies to some in general.

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Like Aaron Rodgers? Oh wait, he said he was immunized...:liplick::)

[Garcia]

But seriously, I know more than one fully vaccinated person who tested positive with no symptoms. Their concern is not for themselves but instead for the unvaccinated and/or high risk people they come into contact with. One is a doctor, the other an educator in an elementary school where children can only now be vaccinated. I applaud their willingness to take precautions to protect others. Until this happened so close to me I was getting tired of the precautions I have been putting up with for so long. Now, as I look at my vaccinated and boosted parents who are very high risk, I am grateful for the steps so many are taking to protect not themselves but others and will continue to choose to do the same.

[WinnisquamZ]

Good read from the Atlantic. Brewing a second cup of coffee before I read how a few of you tear it apart!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/we-opened-schools-and-it-was-fine/620824/


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[Newbiesaukee]

Good read from the Atlantic. Brewing a second cup of coffee before I read how a few of you tear it apart!
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/we-opened-schools-and-it-was-fine/620824/


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Why would any thoughtful person “tear it up?” This isn’t high school, where you have to root for your “side.”

The article is well written. If you read beyond the title, a lot of the success of the schools is stated to be attributed to the reasonable precautions of masking and other mitigating measures. My stepson teaches at a small university which had very reasonable guidelines that were followed and the school has had very few problems.

And, there still is a lot we don’t understand about the pandemic.

[thinkxingu]

Why would any thoughtful person “tear it up?” This isn’t high school, where you have to root for your “side.”

The article is well written. If you read beyond the title, a lot of the success of the schools is stated to be attributed to the reasonable precautions of masking and other mitigating measures. My stepson teaches at a small university which had very reasonable guidelines that were followed and the school has had very few problems.

And, there still is a lot we don’t understand about the pandemic.Exactly right. Here's a solid section.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211202/89df09ddc9bfbaa06f8a86d2126e8d50.jpg

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[John Mercier]

Has anyone seen data or information on how vaccinated vs. unvaccinated have behaved in terms of risk exposure? Specifically, do vaccinated people take more risks and, as such, have a higher likelihood of being exposed in the first place?

Sent from my SM-G950U using TapatalkI haven't seen any data on that. I don't tend to socialize outside of work; but spend a lot of hours there. I think for my breakthrough it was more a matter of the number of people that work closely together and the number that finally came down with it after all those hours together. When some started showing some pretty strong signs of being sick, I have to admit we didn't react as quickly as we should have.

[FlyingScot]

Congregating in bars with strangers, whether in Provincetown or elsewhere, is normal human social behavior, and the opposite of moronic. Normal people have moved well beyond the pathological virus panic and discarded the useless masks and begun to live their lives out from under their beds again. The fad of fixation on the virus has faded, as all fads do. Virtually no one pays attention to those who want to cling to being miserable and trying to make others join them in their misery.


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You're right. I was too harsh with moronic.

Let's just say that it is higher risk wrt covid than pretty much anything else, so we should not be surprised that a number of people got sick.

[John Mercier]

I think a certain section of our society has yet to accept that the recent indiscretions are going the way of the dinosaur.

[LoveLakeLife]

I agree Flying. If a number of people did indeed get sick, then they got sick. No one died. Life is risky. Thankfully we can try to outweigh the risk with reward. Here’s to people congregating in person and on the forum. [emoji3]


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[John Mercier]

But we don't get to manage our own risk, it gets done for us in countless ways.

[trfour]

But we don't get to manage our own risk, it gets done for us in countless ways.

He gave a few great examples of what people can do before Christmastime.

https://www.today.com/health/health/can-stay-safe-omicron-variant-holidays-rcna7627

[John Mercier]

I meant the collective nature of our society.
A lot of them are screaming about independence and personal freedom, almost sounding like a corporation that wants to privatize the profits and socialize the costs.

When costs in society rise briskly... society strikes back.
At a certain point, our Governor is going to go from being concerned to actually scared. It will not hit the legislators as quickly, they don't have as much information... or even the ability to absorb it intellectually.

Those socialized costs in Medicare, Medicaid (50% owed by the State), Veterans medical care, and every government worker from the federal/State/local level having increased medical insurance premiums.

Those all require tax dollars.

[trfour]

Today's numbers:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/leaders-say-no-need-to-panic-as-omicron-confirmed-in-more-states-connecticut-passes-grim-covid-death-milestone-updates/ar-AARt1sY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[mswlogo]

Today's numbers:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/leaders-say-no-need-to-panic-as-omicron-confirmed-in-more-states-connecticut-passes-grim-covid-death-milestone-updates/ar-AARt1sY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

Holy ****. 1 out of every 289 residents dead in some states.

Yeah just a F’n flu.

[trfour]

https://www.wmur.com/nowcast

[Newbiesaukee]

Too much we still don’t know.

A few days ago, we had an almost cordial discussion about an Atlantic article, pointing out that school openings seemed to be going well (with mitigation efforts) and no serious Covid problems. Then yesterday or the day before an article on NHPR about what industries are driving the uptick in NH and a graph and the article using NH data attributed the current spike almost exclusively to school spread. Not nursing homes, not jails, not other industries or sites.

Stay tuned.

[WinnisquamZ]

Yes. The uptick in numbers here in NH are a result of the states successful testing protocols. The positive numbers were always here, just not identified. Now everyone has access to a home test kits delivered for free thought the state. However, did you know many schools and businesses refuse to accept negative results from the free home test kit. Will accept your positive results, but not a negative. Want to give the Governor his dues for getting these tests out, but if schools or work won’t accept it’s results what are we left with. Just more waste


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[thinkxingu]

Yes. The uptick in numbers here in NH are a result of the states successful testing protocols. The positive numbers were always here, just not identified. Now everyone has access to a home test kits delivered for free thought the state. However, did you know many schools and businesses refuse to accept negative results from the free home test kit. Will accept your positive results, but not a negative. Want to give the Governor his dues for getting these tests out, but if schools or work won’t accept it’s results what are we left with. Just more waste


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[tummyman]

What bugs me is that we all hear from the White House, Fauci, et al that we need to be vaccinated and get the booster. Ok, I get that. NH says get hte booster. But the entire process is left to a few sites with ZERO dates and times available. I have not heard NH is restarting the mass vaccination sites for booster. Remember, it takes as long to get a booster as it does a full shot. So now we are faced with a need to boost, but nothing being done to accelerate the process. Pharmacies are doing maybe 4 shots per hour....in 8 hours that is 32 +/-. Look around...there are not many sites. We will never get there at this rate. Where are the LEADERS???????? All I hear is baloney.

[WinnisquamZ]

What bugs me is that we all hear from the White House, Fauci, et al that we need to be vaccinated and get the booster. Ok, I get that. NH says get hte booster. But the entire process is left to a few sites with ZERO dates and times available. I have not heard NH is restarting the mass vaccination sites for booster. Remember, it takes as long to get a booster as it does a full shot. So now we are faced with a need to boost, but nothing being done to accelerate the process. Pharmacies are doing maybe 4 shots per hour....in 8 hours that is 32 +/-. Look around...there are not many sites. We will never get there at this rate. Where are the LEADERS???????? All I hear is baloney.

Can’t agree more. Let me add the states booster blitz in NH is scheduled for Dec 11? 10k shots total. Why are we waiting two more weeks if this is such a threat? Also, over the past month Sununu has asked us all to get the important booster now. But, he has not. He told us all this past week he is waiting for the blitz. So deadly so important why is he waiting until then? Just asking a few questions over coffee


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[WinnisquamZ]

I believe most schools in MA have "test and stay" models—is that not the same for NH?

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Each school district in NH handles cases differently. One example is Merrimack won’t except the at home results test. Bedford will. Same test.


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[FlyingScot]

What bugs me is that we all hear from the White House, Fauci, et al that we need to be vaccinated and get the booster. Ok, I get that. NH says get hte booster. But the entire process is left to a few sites with ZERO dates and times available. I have not heard NH is restarting the mass vaccination sites for booster. Remember, it takes as long to get a booster as it does a full shot. So now we are faced with a need to boost, but nothing being done to accelerate the process. Pharmacies are doing maybe 4 shots per hour....in 8 hours that is 32 +/-. Look around...there are not many sites. We will never get there at this rate. Where are the LEADERS???????? All I hear is baloney.

Here's the large site program you're looking for, with sites in Laconia, Rochester, et al: https://www.governor.nh.gov/news-and-media/booster-blitz-ahead-registration-open-covid-19-booster-sites

Also, make sure to Google your local pharmacy. My booster at CVS took just a few days to schedule and a few minutes to receive. Just that one store was doing 300/day!

[FlyingScot]

Each school district in NH handles cases differently. One example is Merrimack won’t except the at home results test. Bedford will. Same test.


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Charlie Baker reported last week that the testing Think describes is working extremely well, and has saved 140,000 "sick days" for kids in Mass (maybe that's 20,000 kids tested negative who would have each missed 7 days of school?)

[Billy Bob]

Can’t agree more. Let me add the states booster blitz in NH is scheduled for Dec 11? 10k shots total. Why are we waiting two more weeks if this is such a threat? Also, over the past month Sununu has asked us all to get the important booster now. But, he has not. He told us all this past week he is waiting for the blitz. So deadly so important why is he waiting until then? Just asking a few questions over coffee


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I thought this delay in availability was exaggerated. I just tried all the pharmacy’s in the lakes region and it is WORSE then you stated . First on line appointment was the 18 th ! That’s nuts ! You can get one Tuesday if you drive down to Nashua . Here in Florida I can walk into any Publix and get one right away.
You are getting the short end of this one !

[WinnisquamZ]

Charlie Baker reported last week that the testing Think describes is working extremely well, and has saved 140,000 "sick days" for kids in Mass (maybe that's 20,000 kids tested negative who would have each missed 7 days of school?)

Agree, however here in NH as I noted earlier, many school systems won’t accept your negative home test results. Must be verified from a acceptable lab. Which means another swap and wait time


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[John Mercier]

Can’t agree more. Let me add the states booster blitz in NH is scheduled for Dec 11? 10k shots total. Why are we waiting two more weeks if this is such a threat? Also, over the past month Sununu has asked us all to get the important booster now. But, he has not. He told us all this past week he is waiting for the blitz. So deadly so important why is he waiting until then? Just asking a few questions over coffee


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Deadly for those that do not have the initial vaccination. For those with the initial vaccination, but not boosted, they are noting an uptick in hospitalization.
Hospitalizations are what get the government to react, as they have direct impact on their budgets.

They hear the private sector screaming about labor shortages... but that has so many factors out of their control that they have to just ignore them.

[DickR]

...Ok, I get that. NH says get hte booster. But the entire process is left to a few sites with ZERO dates and times available....So now we are faced with a need to boost, but nothing being done to accelerate the process. Pharmacies are doing maybe 4 shots per hour....in 8 hours that is 32 +/-....

Last Thursday, my wife and I looked online and called around. While (then) Hannaford Meredith said the earliest appointment would be Dec 18, the Meredith Rite Aid said they were doing walk-ins for an hour that day and 9-5 Friday. We got to the Rite Aid just after 9 on Friday, and already there were quite a number of people ahead of us. But we filled out the forms, provided the prior vax cards, and waited. I had brought a foldup chair for my wife and a book for me, in anticipation. After a while I followed the example of others who had upended those low, wheeled shopping baskets to use as a seat. It took us about two and a half hours, mostly waiting and reading, but we got it done.

At first it did seem that they were progressing slowly through the collection of people we knew were ahead of us, but then things really picked up. Before the time they got to ours, it seemed that they were doing one every five minutes or even faster, and that's about as long as it took for mine - go in, sit down, answer a couple of verifying questions, jab, bandaid, out. Five minutes would be 12/hr, or nearly 100 in an 8-hour day. This had to be tiring for the lady doing the shots, moving people through so quickly and over a long day, and we appreciated her efforts.

Still, to cover 10,000 people getting first, second, or booster shots in a day would take on the order of 100 such sites at one person doing the shot per site (plus support people to collect sheets, organize things, etc.), or 10 large effort sites with 10 jabbers each. Larger efforts likely would take more support people to manage the logistics, plus extra jabbers to give them regular breaks.

So, if you do decide to do a walk-in, and can find a site doing it, go early, bring a chair, and a good book.

[codeman671]

What bugs me is that we all hear from the White House, Fauci, et al that we need to be vaccinated and get the booster. Ok, I get that. NH says get hte booster. But the entire process is left to a few sites with ZERO dates and times available. I have not heard NH is restarting the mass vaccination sites for booster. Remember, it takes as long to get a booster as it does a full shot. So now we are faced with a need to boost, but nothing being done to accelerate the process. Pharmacies are doing maybe 4 shots per hour....in 8 hours that is 32 +/-. Look around...there are not many sites. We will never get there at this rate. Where are the LEADERS???????? All I hear is baloney.

The pharmacies down here in Dover are doing a lot more than 4 per hour. They are pumping them out.

I did a walk-in last week at Rite-Aid, they take a limited amount daily between 2-3pm. Walked in at 1:45pm, signed up and was out the door by 2:05pm with my booster. She said take 15-30 walk-ins per day.

[trfour]

"Over 85% of the state's population has gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to federal data. The "overwhelming majority" of those who are getting infected are unvaccinated, Lamont said. More severe cases are also largely in those who are unvaccinated; of those currently hospitalized, over 76% are not fully vaccinated, according to state data".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/state-seeing-extremely-concerning-spike-in-covid-19-hospitalizations/ar-AARBqe0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[Woodsy]

Over 85% of the state's population has gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to federal data. The "overwhelming majority" of those who are getting infected are unvaccinated, Lamont said. More severe cases are also largely in those who are unvaccinated; of those currently hospitalized, over 76% are not fully vaccinated, according to state data.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/state-seeing-extremely-concerning-spike-in-covid-19-hospitalizations/ar-AARBqe0?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

You spelled "24% of those currently hospitalized in CT with Covid are fully vaccinated despite the state having 72.9% of the population fully vaccinated." wrong.

Woodsy

[thinkxingu]

You spelled "24% of those currently hospitalized in CT with Covid are fully vaccinated despite the state having 72.9% of the population fully vaccinated." wrong.



WoodsyIf 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of the hospitalizations would be vaccinated people.

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[Woodsy]

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

[Seaplane Pilot]

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

It's always been about fear. An article came out 2 days ago entitled "COVID-19 - a Pandemic of Fear ‘Manufactured’ by Authorities: Yale Epidemiologist". Coincidently, Yale is in Connecticut.

[thinkxingu]

It's always been about fear. An article came out 2 days ago entitled "COVID-19 - a Pandemic of Fear ‘Manufactured’ by Authorities: Yale Epidemiologist". Coincidently, Yale is in Connecticut.It looks like that quote was part of an Epoch Times interview, for anyone looking.

I mean, I think he's right, though I also think it wasn't as terrible as it sounds. We're approaching 800k deaths with incredible mitigation measures—what would that number be otherwise?

That being said, I've always thought there was a middle ground we were never able to achieve, not unlike our political state as a whole.

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[FlyingScot]

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed person

[John Mercier]

I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed personBecause it never hits home until the hospital bill comes due.

[Woodsy]

I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed person

As was pointed out below.... I was schooled! My apologies

Woodsy

[FlyingScot]

Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy
Because it is all about the math... and you must be doing that new math.... :laugh:

IF the numbers in CT are to be believed, on the surface it appears that vaxxed or unvaxxed, you have very similar chances of landing in the hospital.

CT population = 3.565M or 3,565,000
% Fully Vaxxed = 72.19% or 2.573.5M or 2,573,573.5
% Unvaxxed = 27.81% or .991M or 991,426
(No need to bring the 84.3% with at least 1 dose into the math)

525 people currently hospitalized in CT
399 (76%) of those hospitalized are fully vaccinated
126 (24%) of those hospitalized are unvaccinated

The math is very similar as far as your chances of hospitalization go... 76% of those hospitalized represent 72.2% of the population. 24% of those hospitalized represent 27.8% of the population. The numbers seem to indicate that despite being vaxxed, you have a slightly GREATER chance of hospitalization.

Woodsy

I don't mind people teasing me with laugh emojis, "new math", etc when I've made a mistake. That's all in good fun. But you've got a bit of egg on your face here.

If you read both of your posts again, you will see that you've flipped the numbers. In your first post you noted that 24% of the hospital patients are vaxxed, but in your second post, you say that 76% of hospital patients are vaxxed. Oops

If you do the math again using your original numbers, you will see they suggest an unvaxxed person is 8.5X as likely to end up in the hospital.

[trfour]

" "We, right now, have more patients in the hospital, overall, than we have had at either of the two peaks previously. You come in one day and you say this is the worst we've ever seen it and you come back the next day and it's even worse. This is very concerning, what's going on right now," UMass Memorial Health Care President and CEO Dr. Eric Dickson told during an interview ABC News Wednesday."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/no-end-in-sight-massachusetts-hospital-flooded-with-patients-amidst-covid-surge/ar-AAREC8y?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

These 6 States Have Half of All COVID Hospitalizations in the U.S.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/these-6-states-have-half-of-all-covid-hospitalizations-in-the-u-s/ss-AAREpLc?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

"New York enacted a mask mandate at the beginning of the pandemic in April 2020 that lasted more than a year. The new mask mandate applies to both patrons and staff and will be in effect from Monday to Jan. 15, after which the state will reevaluate."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-york-s-covid-surge-is-back-and-so-is-its-mask-mandate/ar-AARGw4A?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[fatlazyless]

There's a lot of info here ...... www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/new-hampshire-covid-cases.html ..... all about New Hampshire ....."How trends have changed in New Hampshire" ...... updated Dec 12, 2021 ...... hopefully it can be seen without a pay wall?

[trfour]

Another grim Covid-19 milestone: At least 800,000 Americans have died.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-800000-americans-died-covid-rcna8380

[trfour]

WASHINGTON (The Hill) — An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.

Fauci: ‘If it becomes necessary to get yet another boost, then we’ll just have to deal with it’.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/2-dose-vaccines-don-t-induce-enough-antibodies-against-omicron-research-shows/ar-AARM2Na?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

The CDC briefing Tuesday detailed two scenarios for how the omicron variant may spread through this country. The worst case scenario has spooked top health officials, who fear a fresh wave, layered on top of delta and influenza cases in what one described as “a triple whammy,” could overwhelm health systems and devastate communities, particularly those with low vaccination rates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-spreading-rapidly-in-u-s-could-bring-punishing-wave-of-infections-cdc-warns/ar-AAROACj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[fatlazyless]

Gov Chris Sununu and Dr. Benjamin Chin, state epidemiologist: Dec 16, 2021, 3-pm; NH PBS .... live video briefing and NH covid data .... http://www.wmur.com/article/new-hampshire-covid-cases-map-graph/36731268 ....... this starts at 3:13 and it goes to 53:50 .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meTHSBHzLwQ ..... make your own assessment and plan to get vaccinated? ..... 55.5% of NH is fully vaccinated, is what it says.

Say-hey ..... who me, worried? .... what me worry as Alfred E Neuman used to say in Mad Magazine ..... www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman ..... I got me 3rd vaxx back in Sept and will be going for me 4th vaxx, asap pdq ..... so yeah, I'm worried! .... "after all, it takes at least four balls to get a walk to first base!" ... Yogi Berra

[trfour]

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned that the next few weeks will see severe stress on hospital systems as the omicron variant is "raging around the world."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fauci-warns-omicron-variant-raging-world-rcna9293

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Just Issued This "Unprecedented" Warning.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-fauci-just-issued-this-unprecedented-warning/ss-AAS1HKC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

New research from Denmark and the UK this week demonstrates that mRNA boosters -- like Moderna's and Pfizer's -- offer significant protection against the new omicron variant of COVID-19. However, data from the UK on Friday indicates that booster protection starts to decrease notably after 10 weeks.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/moderna-booster-update-how-much-does-it-protect-against-omicron-and-for-how-long/ar-AAOw9jn?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[Lakegeezer]

What a difference a month makes. Latest numbers in Florida are 17,825/day or 83 per 100,000. That is a 1380% increase in cases per 100K in the past month and FL has surpassed MI and MN, pervious targets of ridicule. Once all is over, the analysis on the effectiveness of lockdowns, masks and vaccinations will be reported. The important metrics will be hospitalizations, deaths and long term health issues. Till then, lots of experimentation going on. Too early to "learn" from other's short-term results.

From: 11/27
Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.

The Sunshine State reported a daily average of 1,393 coronavirus cases as of Friday, six per 100,000, which was a two percent decrease over the last two weeks.

At the same time Florida reported the lowest amount of new cases in the country per capita, coronavirus cases are surging in many states where strict lockdown orders were issued by Democratic governors.

Michigan, where Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer imposed some of the most controversial restrictions in the nation during the height of the pandemic, leads the nation in daily coronavirus cases per capita.

The hope is that the states like Michigan and Minnesota who are experiencing a surge in cases will "learn from Florida's experience" and promote treatments that work as opposed to lockdowns which "we've seen time and time again" do not.

[Newbiesaukee]

There is no question of an increase in cases and the vast majority of the hospitalization and deaths are in the unvaccinated. There are few valid reasons not to be vaccinated.

BUT, as I see it, most of the other daily statistics are confusing and misleading. Not necessarily intentionally. First, testing by self kits, testing in state, pharmacy facilities is way up. Even PCR self testing is available. What we never did well and don’t really do well now is community surveillance which would give real actionable numbers. A friend might say, cases increased by 25,000 yesterday in FL, which is where I am. But the number is essentially meaningless. Because reporting is irregular, you can’t really even accurately compare it to yesterday. And NH is no better.

Rant over except for one tiny political aside. “No one could have seen this coming” is total nonsense. And that from today’s White House. Actually, anyone who cared could have seen this coming. Granted that in todays climate it might have made no difference.

[ITD]

The not so subtle difference from this time last year is we are talking about cases and not deaths as a metric, that's a good thing.

[trfour]

"If you have a much larger number of individual cases, the fact that you have so many more cases might actually obviate the effect of it being less severe," Fauci said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/not-good-place-hospitals-prepare-omicron-surge-holidays-rcna10094

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Says This Is When the Omicron Wave Will Peak.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-fauci-says-this-is-when-the-omicron-wave-will-peak/ss-AAShDVm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=1

[fatlazyless]

www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/us/additional-doses-covid-vaccine.html ...... "When Three Shots Are Not Enough" ..... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/middleeast/Israel-fourth-covid-vaccine-booster-intl/index.html ..... "Israel begins fourth Covid-19 dose vaccine ..."

"Those eligible for the fourth dose can receive it provided at least four months have passed since the third dose, it said. In Israel, almost all vaccinated citizens have received the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine."

I got my third vaccination on about Sept 10, about four months ago, and after four months the effectiveness supposedly starts to decrease? ... :eek:

You gotta read all the email comments, down the bottom on this NY Times report.

[FlyingScot]

www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/us/additional-doses-covid-vaccine.html ...... "When Three Shots Are Not Enough" ..... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/21/middleeast/Israel-fourth-covid-vaccine-booster-intl/index.html ..... "Israel begins fourth Covid-19 dose vaccine ..."

"Those eligible for the fourth dose can receive it provided at least four months have passed since the third dose, it said. In Israel, almost all vaccinated citizens have received the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine."

I got my third vaccination on about Sept 10, about four months ago, and after four months the effectiveness supposedly starts to decrease? ... :eek:

You gotta read all the email comments, down the bottom on this NY Times report.

Note that unlike the first 3 shots, there is still considerable uncertainty among the experts--and by this I mean real experts, not political hacks--as to whether a 4th shot is beneficial overall.

Best to just chill for now and watch how things go in Israel. Your booster and mask still have plenty of effectiveness!

[fatlazyless]

While a paid subscription is almost always needed to read NH's largest newspaper, the Union Leader, their tweets are .... www.twitter.com/UnionLeader/status/1478179395512770561 .... easy to see .... "... and Catholic Medical Center in Manchester is under siege from an onslaught of unvaccinated patients infected over the holidays."

..... and a great big Merry Christmas to you, dearie ... cough-cough-cough! .... :eek:

..... think I go try to get a fourth vaccination shot and be upgrading to the N-95 mask that fits tight around the face with treated mask material.

Novak Djokovic, tennis #1...... his first name, Novak, is eerily similar 'no vaccination' ..... Novack-no vaccination-Djokovic ..... just thought I would mention that? ..... www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/sports/tennis/djokovic-vaccine.html ... So, maybe it was his destiny or he was pre-disposed to become a no vaccinate Novack?

[trfour]

U.S. reaches 1 million daily Covid cases amid spread of omicron variant.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-reaches-1-million-daily-covid-cases-spread-omicron-variant-rcna10866

[TheProfessor]

Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.


Good Lord.

Florida has all under control ?

"Florida breaks its record with 76,887 new infections Friday; 1 out of 3 COVID-19 tests is positive"

LINK (https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coronavirus/os-ne-print-florida-coronavirus-friday-jan-7-20220107-iiwda56tobbfvonplohkebpyj4-story.html)

If sick people did not get tested then the numbers would be lower in Florida.

[thinkxingu]

If sick people did not get tested then the numbers would be lower in Florida.

This. If nobody tests, nobody has Covid. Florida wasn't testing at nearly the rates of the rest of the country, hence the ~1 million expired tests recently discovered.

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[TiltonBB]

I don't know what is true. I am hearing that people checking into hospitals for other issues, with no covid symptoms, get tested. If they are positive they are listed in the covid statistics. I think a lot of people all over the country have had covid and moved on, without ever being tested or feeling symptoms other than a mild cold.

I went to the Fort Myers Seafood festival this afternoon. There were easily 5,000 people there and I saw two with masks. Good? Bad? Who knows.
Florida’s seven-day average as of Friday was of 0.09 deaths a day per 100,000, or the state with the second-lowest rate in the country.

Some things we hear and read may be true but I also think the politicians are making political hay out of it. If the unvaccinated, unmasked people are such a problem why are our current leaders letting them in and giving them free flights to deposit them all over the country?

"The nation’s former border chief reported today that the Biden administration has placed some 40,000 illegal immigrants infected with the coronavirus into American cities."

So what do you believe?

[FlyingScot]

I don't know what is true. I am hearing that people checking into hospitals for other issues, with no covid symptoms, get tested. If they are positive they are listed in the covid statistics. I think a lot of people all over the country have had covid and moved on, without ever being tested or feeling symptoms other than a mild cold.

I went to the Fort Myers Seafood festival this afternoon. There were easily 5,000 people there and I saw two with masks. Good? Bad? Who knows.

Some things we hear and read may be true but I also think the politicians are making political hay out of it. If the unvaccinated, unmasked people are such a problem why are our current leaders letting them in and giving them free flights to deposit them all over the country?

"The nation’s former border chief reported today that the Biden administration has placed some 40,000 illegal immigrants infected with the coronavirus into American cities."

So what do you believe?


It's easy to see politicians such as DeSantis making "political hay" out of Covid and immigration. I think he (they) deceived us a week ago with misleading numbers, and now they are trying to distract us with immigration.

It's much harder to see any Democrats trying score points on these issues--on Covid, they beg people to get vaxxed and wear masks, on immigration they say nothing. You might think these are bad policies (they sure aren't political winners!). But that is different than them working to deceive us as DeSantis did

[TheProfessor]

"Florida reported 76,887 new COVID-19 cases on Friday"

What part of the Florida Department of Health don't you understand ?

[John Mercier]

Immigration is only a distraction to those that didn't pay attention in primary school. Friedrich Engels is the chief instigator of those policies, with the Know Nothing Party embedded it in our American culture.

People and businesses that are vaccinated and lowering their public exposure should come through this very well positioned.

If they are using natural infection... larger hospitalization risk (that cost money), and like the vaccines the immunity wanes. So they would need to be reinfected every six months or so... which increases that cost risk.

It is really just establishing a better risk profile over time.

[TiltonBB]

"Florida reported 76,887 new COVID-19 cases on Friday"

What part of the Florida Department of Health don't you understand ?

The numbers have increased with the seasonal population change. The influx of snowbirds would have caused the same issue in any other state.

Florida has approximately 21 million residents. That grows by 3 to 4 million people every winter. Those people come from various backgrounds and areas that may be inundated with covid.

The state's permanent population grows by about 1,000 people per day, unlike the northern states that have people fleeing. Obviously, that will change the covid statistics as well.

With this change in numbers and the mobility of people it is no surprise that the covid numbers have begun to rise.

[John Mercier]

The last I knew they based the numbers on where your declare your residence.

The increase could be a surge from non-residents carrying it into areas, but the actual numbers would be declared residents.

They don't have it under control, because no one has it under control.

The issue is simply hospitalizations and lost time to labor.

Hospitalizations have additional costs to the system... seldom paid by the individual out-of-pocket; and lost time to labor is because it transmits so fast that by the time they get the first employee tested, several others have it. By the time they get us all isolated, the shift... or worse... is no longer viable.

We are not going to be able to control it without changes in our everyday system.

[TiltonBB]

The last I knew they based the numbers on where your declare your residence.

The increase could be a surge from non-residents carrying it into areas, but the actual numbers would be declared residents.


Non-resident data on COVID-19 cases, tests, and vaccines are not regulated in any way.

The absence of governance leads to states presenting data in any format or disregarding it altogether despite the capacity of this data to have major impacts on trends and rates, especially during periods of frequent travel.

To me, it wouldn't make any sense if, say, a snowbird from Ohio who went to Florida for the winter in November died from Covid in a Miami hospital in February was listed as an Ohio death. I believe the statistics are kept and reported by your actual location at the time of the incident.

[fatlazyless]

So, I got turned away and sent out the door yesterday morning, Saturday, January 8, when I tried to get myself my fourth vaccination shot of Pfizer with a scheduled appointment time at the NH-state run, vaccination blitz held in Ashland NH in the former state liquor store at Exit 24. The parking lot out front, was so full of cars I had to park across the road at the lumber yard. Inside, it was very full of people looking to get vaccinated.

Between walking in the former state liquor building, presenting my drivers license, vaccination card, scheduled time, start filling out form and getting told to leave, it involved myself with two attending people and about maybe four minutes time, all told, while a brief consult with some higher authority person was made? Oh well .... Live Free or Die-NH:patriot: ..... think I will stay away from indoor pickleball for a while until I can get a fourth vaccination shot ..... somewhere ..... and use the better quality, tighter fitting, treated material N-95 medical mask for shopping at Walmart and Market Basket and www.heathsmarket.com

My vaccination card shows September 12, 2021 for my third shot, four months ago, and I have read how the vaccination loses some of its' effectiveness after about four months.

So, what's my plan? On Saturday, January 15, between 9 - noon, there will be a vaccination clinic at the Meredith Community Center held by Altrusa International of Meredith.

Another place for me to go is back to the CVS in Plymouth, where I got my first three shots. This Plymouth CVS was like totally TOTALLY excellent, all three times, probably because it was totally empty of people getting vaccinated, except for me, all three times. .... ;)

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/us/additional-doses-covid-vaccine.html ...... "When Three Shots Are Not Enough"

If at first you don't succeed ...... then quit ..... :eek: .... no way! ....... I will try, try, try it again, somewhere else! .... :banana: ..... And, as you probably know, your CDC heavy paper vaccination record card has four spaces for recording the date and batch #, so mine has a fourth vacant space or line, now awaiting my fourth vaccination information.

www.nytimes.com/2022/01/03/world/israel-will-offer-a-4th-covid-shot-to-people-60-and-over.html ...... over age-60

[John Mercier]

Non-resident data on COVID-19 cases, tests, and vaccines are not regulated in any way.

The absence of governance leads to states presenting data in any format or disregarding it altogether despite the capacity of this data to have major impacts on trends and rates, especially during periods of frequent travel.

To me, it wouldn't make any sense if, say, a snowbird from Ohio who went to Florida for the winter in November died from Covid in a Miami hospital in February was listed as an Ohio death. I believe the statistics are kept and reported by your actual location at the time of the incident.No. Florida had a huge case were one of the people keeping their database was very upset that those that tested positive in Florida were not being counted unless they were declared residents of Florida. I don't believe that has been changed.

Florida would choose to list that as an Ohio covid case, and an Ohio covid death.

That type of stuff has been in the news since covid reporting has begun.

NH has issues on its reporting, but has been very open on those issues... something that can not be said of Florida.

[FlyingScot]

The numbers have increased with the seasonal population change. The influx of snowbirds would have caused the same issue in any other state.

Florida has approximately 21 million residents. That grows by 3 to 4 million people every winter. Those people come from various backgrounds and areas that may be inundated with covid.

The state's permanent population grows by about 1,000 people per day, unlike the northern states that have people fleeing. Obviously, that will change the covid statistics as well.

With this change in numbers and the mobility of people it is no surprise that the covid numbers have begun to rise.

Begun to rise? They've skyrocketed!

1,000 new Florida residents/day is a big number. But it's nothing compared to the average daily covid cases--now at 58,000 for Florida. Even if every newcomer has covid, you're still at 57,000. So I'm going to have to disagree on the newcomers changing the stats.

Also, when you say wintertime is tough for covid in Florida, you remind me that a few months ago the governor said summertime was tough because "it's our indoor season".

As I noted above, Rick DeSantis is working hard every day...to deceive us

[John Mercier]

I think what TiltonBB meant was due to the number of non-residents coming in from other States during the winter Florida would see a surge of infected individuals carrying the virus to the residents of the State.

We all know that travel from one area to another area is how the infection is spreading. So the presumption that infection is being carried from other States into Florida and then spreading within their resident population is extremely likely.

DeSantis has the ability to slow (though I don't think stop) that. He just doesn't think he should.

[fatlazyless]

So's, anyone here in New Hampshire get a fourth shot of the Pfizer yet, and where the H... do I go? ... :confused::banana:

https://www.cnet.com/health/covid-19-booster-shots-will-I-need-a-fourth-vaccine-dose/ ... January 3, 2022

[John Mercier]

I don't think you can.
I have the third booster, but that was more to keep up-to-date for employment offers coming in that require the third to be considered completely vaccinated.

[trfour]

Virus Expert Warned We're in a "Really Bad Surge",


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-said-if-you-get-covid-do-this/ss-AASDh8V?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=2

[fatlazyless]

"Starting later this week, some at-risk Americans become eligible for a 4th Shot".

Over at the NH state liquor store in Plymouth which replaced the now closed store in Ashland, you get 10% off the purchase of 3 or more bottles of NH products right now, mixed or matched, any size.

So, I try to get a 4th shot of the Pfizer and I get shown the door, but this ..... https://nytimes.com/2022/01/09/health/immunocompromised-fourth-dose-booster.html .... January 9, 2022 ...... suggests getting a fourth vaccination shot could become as available as Live Free Distillery Mountain Top Vodka, sold at your NH State Liquor Store for $25.99/1.75L less an extra 10% with purchase of 3 or more bottles! ..... :cheers: ..... and jab me with my 4th shot! ..... :patriot:

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Just Issued This Omicron Update.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-fauci-just-issued-this-omicron-update/ss-AASFK3G?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=1

[TiltonBB]

So's, anyone here in New Hampshire get a fourth shot of the Pfizer yet, and where the H... do I go? ... :confused::banana:

https://www.cnet.com/health/covid-19-booster-shots-will-I-need-a-fourth-vaccine-dose/ ... January 3, 2022

Hey FLL: Still looking for additional jabs of the Fauci Ouchie? Have you given any thought to moving to India?

A pensioner illegally booked himself in for 12 Covid jabs in less than a year before he was caught by cops in India.

Brahamdev Mandal, 84, had all the vaccines in just 11 months and even managed to book two less than 30 minutes apart on the same day.

The serial-vaxxer was only able to sign up for extra jabs by lying to health officials and using the ID of other people who also needed the lifesaving serum.

He said he wanted to feel stronger during the pandemic and rid himself of the joint pain he has suffered for eight years.

The former postman has been accused of a string of offences by police in the village of Orai, in Bihar, India where he lives.

[TiltonBB]

Ocugen has a vaccine that is already approved in some other countries and is pending approval in the United States and Canada. It looks promising against new variants.

The clinical-stage biotech firm has been co-developing a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine with India's Bharat Biotech, and the latest round of data shows their BBV152 booster neutralizes both the Omicron and Delta variants of the virus that causes COVID-19.

The treatment generated a robust neutralizing antibody response against both strains using a live virus neutralization assay. Test serum results showed the Delta variant was neutralized 100% of the time while Omicron neutralized at a rate of 90%.

[fatlazyless]

Hey FLL: Still looking for additional jabs of the Fauci Ouchie? Have you given any thought to moving to India?

Traveling to India is a totally super-duper suggestion but I just think I'll self-isolate and spend the rest of January working on the installation of this $13 snowblower replacement carburetor and primer push bulb onto my TroyBilt 2410 snowblower. If I can get it done correct between now and February, this will be a major accomplishment for me! .... :eek:

Plus, the weather needs to warm up to 25-degrees so's I can work on it, outdoors. Right now it's done warmed up to ten but it needs to get warmer for working on a snowblower like this.
...............

... symptoms of omicron? ...... www.wmur.com/article/covid-omicron-symptoms-when-should-i-go-to-hospital/38743393

[trfour]

Dr. Fauci says ‘just about everybody’ will get COVID-19.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-fauci-says-just-about-everybody-will-get-covid-19/ar-AASJYkD?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Surgeon General Just Issued This "Difficult" Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/surgeon-general-just-issued-this-difficult-warning/ss-AASRNBe?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fullscreen=true#image=1

[trfour]

"So even though it's possible to start imagining that the end of the pandemic is not far away, just everybody be ready for the possibility that there will be more variations and mutations coming along, or that there will be further challenges, other surges of even Omicron coming."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/expect-more-covid-mutations-surges-ahead-who-expert/ar-AASRBmp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[WinnisquamZ]

Very encouraging statement from a Dr Ryan at Mass General

https://rescue.substack.com/p/mass-general-expert-predicts-no-boosters


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[John Mercier]

Predicting?

[thinkxingu]

Very encouraging statement from a Dr Ryan at Mass General

https://rescue.substack.com/p/mass-general-expert-predicts-no-boosters


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)Just a note that Mass. General has a statement on their page saying that the details in the attached article come from "an individual's personal notes from listening to a talk by Edward Ryan, MD" and that they "lack context, details, and nuance."

There was a similar article about a Pennsylvania epidemiologist, but I can't seem to find it.

In short, we all want this to end and await how it will.

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[trfour]

Dr. Fauci says it’s too soon to tell whether omicron will end the pandemic.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dr-fauci-says-s-soon-tell-whether-omicron-will-end-pandemic-rcna12553

[pondguy]

The free test site is up and running. https://www.covidtests.gov/

[trfour]

How and Why Some People Can Get COVID-19 Twice, According to Dr. Fauci.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/how-and-why-some-people-can-get-covid-19-twice-according-to-dr-fauci/ar-AASWHQH?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

"Viruses are constantly changing, including the virus that causes Covid-19," the CDC said in a statement.

"The level of protection offered by vaccination and surviving a previous infection changed during the study period. Vaccination remains the safest strategy for protecting against Covid-19," it added.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/natural-immunity-more-potent-than-vaccines-during-us-delta-wave-study/ar-AASWFQd?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Placebo effect the true cause of many reported COVID-19 vaccine side effects: Study;

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/placebo-effect-the-true-cause-of-many-reported-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-study/ar-AASYDzn?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This "Much Worse" Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-this-much-worse-warning/ss-AASYzSP?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

"Protection against infection and hospitalization with the omicron variant is highest for those who are up to date with their vaccination, meaning those who are boosted when they are eligible," said CDC director Dr Rochelle Walensky during a White House Covid Task Force briefing Friday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/booster-shots-effective-severe-illness-omicron-rcna13038

[trfour]

Fauci expects most states to reach peak omicron by February. Close to half already have.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/fauci-omicron-surge-february-2022-states-n1287935

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Gave This "Essential" Omicron Update.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-gave-this-essential-omicron-update/ss-AATcX5s?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=1

[trfour]

Americans are understandably frustrated. When the vaccines became available, we were told we could reach “herd immunity” if 60 or 70 percent of Americans got vaccinated, meaning that most of the population would become immune, leaving fewer people to infect. Then that number started to climb. Soon, the discussion of herd immunity quieted.

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/covid-19-omicron-variant-might-be-weaker-letting-it-rip-ncna1288194

[trfour]

Pfizer vaccine for kids under 5 could be available by end of February.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-vaccine-pfizer-shot-kids-5-available-end-february-rcna14347

[trfour]

FDA grants full approval to Moderna's Covid vaccine.
The vaccine, called Spikevax, is the second to receive full FDA approval in the United States, joining Pfizer's vaccine.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/fda-grants-full-approval-modernas-covid-vaccine-rcna14237

[trfour]

As of January 8, more than 188 out of 100,000 unvaccinated people in LA were hospitalized with COVID-19, compared with 35 out of 100,000 vaccinated people without boosters and eight out of 100,000 vaccinated people with boosters. A January CDC study found that boosters reduced the risk of hospitalization from Omicron by around 90%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/2-charts-show-covid-19-booster-shots-superior-protection-compared-to-double-vaccination/ar-AATnhjF?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[John Mercier]

Wouldn't it be easier for them just to look at the status of those hospitalized specifically for covid-related issues?

[trfour]

Virus Expert Says Here's What Your "New Normal" Will Look Like
CBS just reported that, according to a recent poll, "70% of Americans polled agreed… 'It is time we accept COVID is here to stay and we just need to get on with our lives'." But how do we "get on" with life when there is a potentially life-threatening virus at large? "We are not anywhere near the end of the pandemic," said Dr. Ashish Jha, Dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, on CBS Mornings today—but he did say what the future may look like, and how you can stay safe.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-says-here-s-what-your-new-normal-will-look-like/ss-AAToWmW?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Though Covid cases and hospitalizations are falling fast in the U.S., two key metrics are still too high to ditch mask recommendations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/mask-mandates-can-people-stop-wearing-masks-covid-rcna14587

[trfour]

With many governors lifting mask mandates in schools, and COVID cases going down after the worst of the Omicron surge (in some states, not all yet), it's undeniably tempting to think the pandemic is over and we can all "move on." Not so fast, says Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb. You're not fully safe right at this moment. Why not, and how can you protect yourself? Read on to hear the 5 thoughts he shared yesterday with Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation—and to ensure your health and the health of others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-tragic-warning/ss-AATz8v4?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=1

[FlyingScot]

With many governors lifting mask mandates in schools, and COVID cases going down after the worst of the Omicron surge (in some states, not all yet), it's undeniably tempting to think the pandemic is over and we can all "move on." Not so fast, says Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb. You're not fully safe right at this moment. Why not, and how can you protect yourself? Read on to hear the 5 thoughts he shared yesterday with Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation—and to ensure your health and the health of others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-tragic-warning/ss-AATz8v4?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=1

If we split the governors into covid deniers and those who've treated covid as a serious threat, I'm pretty sure NJ is the only 'covid-serious" governor relaxing the mask policy in schools. The NJ policy does not take effect for another 4-5 weeks(?). So they are not saying the threat is over today, only that it looks like we can relax in a month or so. Let's hope they're right!

[thinkxingu]

Many NH schools have been mask optional all year, barring skyrocketed cases.

MA DESE rumor is masks going away 2/28.

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[Woodsy]

With many governors lifting mask mandates in schools, and COVID cases going down after the worst of the Omicron surge (in some states, not all yet), it's undeniably tempting to think the pandemic is over and we can all "move on." Not so fast, says Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb. You're not fully safe right at this moment. Why not, and how can you protect yourself? Read on to hear the 5 thoughts he shared yesterday with Margaret Brennan on Face the Nation—and to ensure your health and the health of others.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-tragic-warning/ss-AATz8v4?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531#image=1

It will NEVER be over.... It will never go away! Anybody who thinks it will go away is a fool. We will just have to accept the "new normal" that is Endemic Covid. It seems, given the level of 'Covid Burnout"... America is rapidly approaching the new normal.

Woodsy

[John Mercier]

Not really.
People that are only listening to the news don't realize how bad it is getting.
Certain things that will need to die, just have not.

As they go through the labor issues... we will see it happen.

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Warned of Possible New Surge. Virus Expert Warns Not Enough People are Vaccinated.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-warned-of-possible-new-surge/ss-AATtjhf?ocid=msedgntp&fullscreen=true#image=1

[trfour]

States are beginning to lift mask mandates. CDC data suggests it's too early.
High transmission and test rates mean that more than 99 percent of U.S. counties should keep masking up.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/states-are-beginning-lift-mask-mandates-cdc-data-suggests-it-n1288792

[thinkxingu]

MA DESE announced today that the school mask mandate will drop on 2/28.

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[trfour]

"Amid the confusion, USA TODAY asked a dozen public health and infectious disease experts whether it makes sense for people to continue to wear masks and under what conditions.

The answer, they say, depends on how much someone wants to avoid infection, the rate of COVID-19 where they live and who else is around them".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mask-mandates-are-lifting-experts-say-here-s-when-to-consider-keeping-yours-on/ar-AATHM7R?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[fatlazyless]

Today is February 12, 2022 so it's been 5-months since I got my third Pfizer vaccination shot on September 12, 2021 at the CVS in Plymouth, NH. In the last month I was unable to get a fourth shot at either the walk-in, no appointment needed, State of NH sponsored vaccination facility at the former state liquor store in Ashland. The CVS on-line scheduling process was a no-go as well, and I got all three of my vaccinations at CVS in Plymouth, NH where the procedure was totally excellent with the Plymouth CVS people. Recently, the on-line CVS appointment process said NO to me when I tried to schedule a fourth.

Today's February 12, 2022 NY Times has a report "New C.D.C. data adds to evidence that boosters' protection against severe Covid plunges after four months." It is 11 paragraphs in length.

1st paragraph: "Covid booster shots lose much of their potency after about four months, raising the possibility that some Americans - specifically those at high risk of complications or death - may need a fourth dose, data published on Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention suggest."

9th paragraph: "Protection against emergency department and urgent care visits declined from 69 percent within two months of the second dose to 37 percent after five months or more. Booster shots restores those levels to 87 percent."

So, I'm going back to the walk-in clinic in Ashland today, to try again for a fourth shot, and plan to give them a photocopy of this NY Times report. Will also try again with the CVS on-line appointment.

As you probably know, your CDC vaccination card has a fourth line for recording your fourth numbers and date.

Wish me good luck with this, my effort to get a fourth shot of the Pfizer! ...... :patriot::banana:
...................

Maybe I'm incorrect but this Feb 12, 2022 New York Times report is probably free to read without a paid subscription.

[pondguy]

It could be time for a 4th dose. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/covid-booster-loses-potency-4-001838077.html

[8gv]

Call me "Pin cushion"...

[barefootbay]

It could be time for a 4th dose. https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/covid-booster-loses-potency-4-001838077.html

Come on folks let’s stop obsessing about infinite booster shots and start living again. If you are fully vaccinated ( 3 shots ) let it go.

[John Mercier]

You get a flu shot every year... covid will more than likely end up like that.

With the very high GDP and very high inflation due to demand... I would state that people have been ''living''.

[trfour]

"As we get out of the full-blown pandemic phase of COVID-19, which we are certainly heading out of, these decisions will increasingly be made on a local level rather than centrally decided or mandated," Fauci told The Financial Times. "There will also be more people making their own decisions on how they want to deal with the virus."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/full-blown-pandemic-could-be-ending-soon-fauci-says-us-daily-infection-totals-falling-sharply-covid-19-updates/ar-AATNOCM?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Said This Makes You 97 Times More Likely to Die
The coronavirus continues to rage across America, even as cases peak or fall in certain areas. We are seeing more than 2,000 deaths a day. How can you stay safe? And who is most likely to be one of those dead? Dr. Michael Osterholm, an American epidemiologist, Regents Professor, and Director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, spoke on Chad Hartman's radio show the other day to tell you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-said-this-makes-you-97-times-more-likely-to-die/ss-AATxaxY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Babies get Covid protection from mothers vaccinated during pregnancy, CDC says.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/babies-get-covid-protection-mothers-vaccinated-pregnancy-cdc-says-rcna16306

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This "Important" Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-this-important-warning/ss-AATW1lt?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[thinkxingu]

Dude, Covid's over.

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[trfour]

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is reviewing its mask guidance, shifting its focus to Covid hospitalizations as a key measure of the severity of the outbreak and future guide for determining whether health safety protocols need to be tightened, according to CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/cdc-wants-to-give-people-a-break-from-wearing-masks-as-pandemic-improves-director-says/ar-AATWoRq?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[AC2717]

just because mandates are ending, does not mean that those that want to still live using masks, and limiting their exposure cannot, I do not understand the big disconnect here

if masks work, and vaccinations work, those that want to follow these, still can and do not need laws to do so or not do so

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This "Deadly" Warning
This week, COVID-19 cases in the U.S. continued to decline. New daily cases are now down nearly 70% from two weeks ago. But the daily average of deaths is near the pandemic's all-time high. At the same time, the overall number of people who've died from the coronavirus surpassed 925,000, pointed out Dr. Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, who analyzed the impact of the Omicron wave—including the impression that it was "milder"—and issued a warning for how we should react to future variants.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-this-deadly-warning/ss-AATZCWA?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fullscreen=true#image=1

[trfour]

The WHO has long been cautioning countries against approaching the pandemic at a domestic level instead of a global one. Officials warned that highly-vaccinated countries will have a false sense of security if other countries have low vaccination rates because the virus rapidly spreading anywhere will lead to new variants that may be more deadly or evade therapeutics and vaccines.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/conditions-ideal-for-more-transmissible-dangerous-covid-variant-who/ar-AAU2RHm?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[John Mercier]

That happens a lot.
For small pox the US continued to vaccinate almost the entire population until roughly 20 years after the last case in the US.
It took a long time to rid the rest of the world of it.

[trfour]

FDA Eyes Second Covid-19 Booster Shot.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/fda-eyes-second-covid-19-booster-shot/ar-AAU4mcO?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[trfour]

Virus Expert Just Issued This Pleading Warning.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/virus-expert-just-issued-this-pleading-warning/ss-AAU8cs1?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fullscreen=true#image=1

[trfour]

Covid-19 case counts are falling in the United States and many parts of the country are starting to relax.

Cities like Washington, DC, and New York are lifting vaccine mandates for many public indoor spaces. National public health officials are easing up, too. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now advises that communities with low levels of transmission can forgo universal masking.

As spring draws near, is it finally time to feel hopeful? Is it possible the worst of the pandemic is behind us?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/why-the-worst-of-the-pandemic-might-be-over-for-some/ar-AAUvwvj?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[FlyingScot]

A new variant could ruin the party, but we're looking damn good today! Here's the Mass case count over time--amazing how it's plummeted. Boston and surrounding areas dropping masks over the next couple of weeks :)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/massachusetts-covid-cases.html

[Seaplane Pilot]

A new variant could ruin the party, but we're looking damn good today! Here's the Mass case count over time--amazing how it's plummeted. Boston and surrounding areas dropping masks over the next couple of weeks :)

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/massachusetts-covid-cases.html

It’s a miracle! :rolleye1:

[FlyingScot]

It’s a miracle! :rolleye1:

Its disappearance now does not mean it wasn't a huge threat. Nearly a million Americans are dead from this, with some people whining the entire time it was no big deal...

[tis]

It’s a miracle! :rolleye1:

It is isn't it. All of a sudden it is over-well almost.....

[Seaplane Pilot]

Its disappearance now does not mean it wasn't a huge threat. Nearly a million Americans are dead from this, with some people whining the entire time it was no big deal...

Believe what you want to believe. Other opinions may vary. From a left wing news source:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna18043

https://punchbowl.news/wp-content/uploads/IMPACT-COVID-positioning-strategy-memo.pdf

[FlyingScot]

Believe what you want to believe. Other opinions may vary. From a left wing news source:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna18043

https://punchbowl.news/wp-content/uploads/IMPACT-COVID-positioning-strategy-memo.pdf

As always, I believe in data and science, and I've never thought that masks or vaccines should be about politics. I'm pretty sure that's different than your view.

Back to the data--the numbers are awesome--it's clear that we do not need masks right now, and that's great news for everyone.

[Seaplane Pilot]

As always, I believe in data and science, and I've never thought that masks or vaccines should be about politics. I'm pretty sure that's different than your view.

Back to the data--the numbers are awesome--it's clear that we do not need masks right now, and that's great news for everyone.

We agree…I don’t THINK they should be about politics, but they are. This entire mess was about politics, control and most of all, money.

PS: Where’s Fauci lately? Either he’s on vacation or they stuffed him in a closet to keep him quiet so they can do damage control. The democrat polling looks horrific for the midterms, so they had to silence him fast.

[thinkxingu]

We agree…I don’t THINK they should be about politics, but they are. This entire mess was about politics, control and most of all, money.

PS: Where’s Fauci lately? Either he’s on vacation or they stuffed him in a closet to keep him quiet so they can do damage control. The democrat polling looks horrific for the midterms, so they had to silence him fast.From your posted link:

"It’s time for Democrats to take credit for ending the COVID crisis phase of the COVID war."

The craziest thing is how quickly Trump supporters forgot "he" was responsible for the vaccine and how few of them took it in protest.

The saddest irony is seeing "conservative anti-vax talkshow host dies from Covid" headlines.

I mean, other than people minimizing the pandemic on a forum where members have lost important people in their lives to Covid. I'd wear a mask for another year if it meant having my deceased family and friends back.

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[joey2665]

From your posted link:

"It’s time for Democrats to take credit for ending the COVID crisis phase of the COVID war."

The craziest thing is how quickly Trump supporters forgot "he" was responsible for the vaccine and how few of them took it in protest.

The saddest irony is seeing "conservative anti-vax talkshow host dies from Covid" headlines.

I mean, other than people minimizing the pandemic on a forum where members have lost important people in their lives to Covid. I'd wear a mask for another year if it meant having my deceased family and friends back.

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Conservatives didn’t forget it was Trump that was responsible for pushing the vaccine through. However he did not try to force it on us though mandates.


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[thinkxingu]

Conservatives didn’t forget it was Trump that was responsible for pushing the vaccine through. However he did not try to force it on us though mandates.


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)That was a problem only after huge populations refused to take it.

There's an alternate universe in which Trump won and his sycophants lined up for the vaccine. Whether the liberals did? I guess we'll never know!

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[trfour]

Dr. Fauci Just Gave This Essential Virus Update.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/wellness/dr-fauci-just-gave-this-essential-virus-update/ss-AAUwUDJ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&fullscreen=true#image=1

[John Mercier]

Conservatives didn’t forget it was Trump that was responsible for pushing the vaccine through. However he did not try to force it on us though mandates.


Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app (http://r.tapatalk.com/byo?rid=92687)He purchased doses ahead. But the first vaccine developed and released was not a part of that program.

Fortune Magazine - ''The truth is that Pfizer didn’t receive any funding from Operation Warp Speed for the development, clinical trial and manufacturing of the vaccine. Rather, its partner, BioNTech SE, has received money -- from the German government.''

Conservatives tend to be pretty supportive of Viet Nam vets, those that volunteered and those that were mandated to serve through the draft... not so much Jane Fonda - get the comparison?