The NH Boat Show...

[thinkxingu]

...is where I'll be ordering my 2020 Sea-Doo GTX 170! Hahahaha!!! Bazinga!

But seriously, who's going and is there a better day than another to connect with DaSilva's? I was thinking Saturday, but I'd like to have time to ask questions and play with the machines without feeling rushed. I've only ever been to the show once before some years back and can't remember how busy it was.

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[radioman]

Have you not been watching the news??? Under current circumstances, do everyone a favor and contact dealers directly.

[thinkxingu]

Until it's cancelled, I'll consider going. Especially with, what, 5 cases across the state? We'll see what happens in the next week, but I'm not ready to shut down NH.

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[thinkxingu]

From my town's school, which is just over the MA border.15656

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[FlyingScot]

Two math ideas that I've tried to keep in mind on coronavirus:

1) Risk vs reward--Visiting the grocery store during off hours is definitely worth the risk. But using the Boston subway at rush hour is not.

2) Exponential growth--viruses expand fast--they double each period. So if we have X number of cases today, we don't go to 1.1X, then 1.2X. then 1.3X.... We go to 2X, then 4X, then 8X, then 16X..,. Pretty soon we're at 100,000+.

I think I'd visit Mr DaSilva in his shop or call on the phone

[Major]

I am a co-manager of a law firm in Boston. We have about 65 employees. We have been pressed to have a detailed plan to deal with the coronavirus. Employees are also asking to work from home. I sent my co-managers an email this morning titled "Context and Perspective." Here's what I said --

"From Wikipedia - 'In June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the new strain of swine-origin H1N1 as a pandemic. This novel virus spread worldwide and had caused 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths with an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 deaths total by August of 2010.'

"I could be a wiseass and say, “let’s roll out our plan that we used to address the H1N1 virus back in 2009.” Millions effected, and hundreds of thousands dead. To the best of my knowledge, we did NOTHING. I am not saying that we should not be reasonably prepared, especially when there are things out of our control. But the Coronavirus is a media driven event meant to cause panic. Let’s have some perspective on this and not overreact. I think we should stay the course and take our cues from the CDC and Massachusetts health officials."

This is a media driven crisis. Personally, I would not miss an event because of this so-called crisis, especially if you are under 70 years old.

To answer your question, the NH Boat Show isn't too busy that you cannot find time to speak with someone. You should be all set.

[Descant]

Until it's cancelled, I'll consider going. Especially with, what, 5 cases across the state? We'll see what happens in the next week, but I'm not ready to shut down NH.

Yes, NH is open for business. I personally am increasing my use of an internal cleansing agent. Imported from Scotland, I buy it through a NH state agency in small quantities. LFOD. LOL

[P-3 Guy]

This is a media driven crisis. Personally, I would not miss an event because of this so-called crisis, especially if you are under 70 years old.

The 2009 H1N1 fatality rate was around .03% (less than the typical seasonal flu). The COVID-19 fatality rate is being reported as around 100 X higher. I would say that's quite a distinction and deserves some media attention. Whether or not someone wants to make it their own crisis is up to each individual.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_flu_pandemic

[Susie Cougar]

I do not believe it is media hype. The coronavirus is extremely contagious and has a very high mortality rate in older people. We have to start thinking about others and not only ourselves. Just because we may be young and healthy, we all have parents and grandparents. You would not want to come in contact with someone and then spread it to one of your family members who would not be as strong to fight it off.
I have read the importance of social distancing. It only works when there are less than 1% of the population who are sick. We shouldn’t wait until more people become infected before we do anything.
I hope that we start canceling many of these events so that it is not up to an individual to decide the fate of all of us.

[Top-Water]

Yes, NH is open for business. I personally am increasing my use of an internal cleansing agent. Imported from Scotland, I buy it through a NH state agency in small quantities. LFOD. LOL


:confused::confused:
You're going to die according to WMUR news this evening. If you're making your own hand sanitizer they strongly recommend 80% proof vodka or better, not the crappy 60% stuff. (Really)

[Major]

If 150,000 people died of H1N1 then 5,000,000 people were infected given the 0.03% death rate. Potentially these numbers could be tripled. The high death rate associated with the coronavirus is skewed because of older people.

I don’t remember the same hysteria with any other pandemic. Last year 80,000 people in the U.S. died of the flu. It was an especially bad year. I don’t remember any news coverage about this. That’s because we understand the risk.

I’m not saying that individuals should not be vigilant in preventing the spread of coronavirus. They should. What I’m saying is that it is a complete overreaction driven by the media and social media.

I guess part of it is the unknown risk. However, coronaviruses have been around forever. This strain is different. Other types of risks we assume every day. For example, far more people (35,000) will die this year because of car accidents. We do not cancel events because people have to drive to them. That’s because we understand the risk.

If you’re relatively young and in good health there is very little to worry about.


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[The Real BigGuy]

The number of reported cases are starting to rise and I expect that the exponential growth to start manifesting itself in the next week or so. People need to remember COVID-19 has 10x the fatality rate of the normal flu and more contagious. If the published annual flu mortality Is correct it translates to 160,000 to 690,000 deaths from COVID-19. Why put yourself in the position of becoming a statistic?


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[Susie Cougar]

If 150,000 people died of H1N1 then 5,000,000 people were infected given the 0.03% death rate. Potentially these numbers could be tripled. The high death rate associated with the coronavirus is skewed because of older people.

I don’t remember the same hysteria with any other pandemic. Last year 80,000 people in the U.S. died of the flu. It was an especially bad year. I don’t remember any new coverage about this. That’s because we understand the risk.

You can’t compare it to the flu. We have a vaccine for the flu and we also have products like Tamiflu that we can take if we become sick with the flu.This is not the case with coronavirus. There is no vaccine yet.
So we have to do what we can do to prevent it from spreading as much as possible. We have to think of others.

[Bear Guy]

Last year 80,000 people in the U.S. died of the flu. It was an especially bad year. I don’t remember any new coverage about this.
Just to fact-check this - the CDC estimated 34,200 deaths in the US from flu in 2018-2019 season.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

[The Real BigGuy]

Susie, your math is wrong. 0.03% is 0.0003. So 5,000,000 at a 0.03% death rate is 1,500 deaths. Based on the estimated mortality rate of COVID-19, using the CDC guess that once all cases are reported it will be 1% worldwide, there would be 50,000 deaths for 5,000,000 cases. Yes, far fewer than the flu in total but scarier because, as someone said previously, it is unknown and there is no vaccine.

I’m close to 70 and I’ve never been scared of the flue. I wasn’t bothered by the bird flu, MERS, SARS, H1N1, and the super flu scares. This scares the crap out of me


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[Susie Cougar]

Yes,The Real BigGuy, I’m the one that said there was no vaccine. I was trying to quote Major and give a rebuttal to him. But it sounded like I was agreeing with him instead of disagreeing with him.
The coronavirus is something to be taken very seriously and I don’t believe enough people are doing that yet.

[JEEPONLY]

I’m not saying that individuals should not be vigilant in preventing the spread of coronavirus. They should. What I’m saying is that it is a complete overreaction driven by the media and social media.

Please, think of the logic (?) in making these statements back-to-back!

[Major]

Please, think of the logic (?) in making these statements back-to-back!

What I meant by being vigilant was wash your hands, be careful interacting with strangers, normal things that you do when you are sick or know others are sick. Not tough to figure out.

Anyway, I will enjoy a less crowded NH Boat Show next weekend, provided it still is a go. I feel bad for our employees. We purchased a box to the Celtics game and now it's postponed.

[Newbiesaukee]

I don’t believe wishful thinking ever cured or prevented a viral infection.

I don’t really know much about boats or fishing or local government; but training as a scientist and physician, I am saddened by the misinformation and denial of some on this thread.

There is much that we do not know about this virus and only fools have certainty; but there is enough known that any responsible individual should have serious concerns about it.

Of course, there are legitimate differences of opinion about it and each individual may choose how to deal with it. But facts do matter.

[Major]

Yes,The Real BigGuy, I’m the one that said there was no vaccine. I was trying to quote Major and give a rebuttal to him. But it sounded like I was agreeing with him instead of disagreeing with him.
The coronavirus is something to be taken very seriously and I don’t believe enough people are doing that yet.

Sorry for the false information. You are correct. I heard the 80,000 number on the radio. The number your relate is correct. Worldwide, in a typical flu season, 290,000 to 650,000 die from the flue each year. Like I said before, since we know the risk, we are able to accept it. We are overreacting, in my opinion, to this particular risk.

[fatlazyless]

:offtopic: but has local lakes region importance:

From wmur.com ..... the Gov Wentworth SAU school district that includes Tuftonboro, Wolfeboro and four other local towns has CLOSED their schools today, Thursday-March 12 ..... and are looking at Friday-March 13.

[The Real BigGuy]

Not a personal attack on you Susie but, your post points out the one of the reasons “fake news” is an issue. Individuals hear something or read something and can now quickly post it, tweet it, text it, etc. without hearing opposing or alternate views or doing their own verification of facts. Texting, tweeting, facebooking, posting, etc. make it far too easy to propagate misleading or false info. Far to easy to blame the media for “fake news” then to look at how we handle information. Shows how & how easy it was/is for Russia to interfere in our elections.


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[Major]

I don’t believe wishful thinking ever cured or prevented a viral infection.

I don’t really know much about boats or fishing or local government; but training as a scientist and physician, I am saddened by the misinformation and denial of some on this thread.

There is much that we do not know about this virus and only fools have certainty; but there is enough known that any responsible individual should have serious concerns about it.

Of course, there are legitimate differences of opinion about it and each individual may choose how to deal with it. But facts do matter.

Let me ask you a legitimate question. Did you feel the same way as you do now when the H1N1 virus was running rampant? It remains to be seen with the coronavirus, but by any standard, H1N1 was an equivalent threat, certainly with respect to numbers infected. You may quibble about death rates, but not all the information is available. The death rate may be far less than the reported death rate since not all cases are accounted for.

My guess is that you did not feel the same way about H1N1. Why? Because of media and social media.

I am a responsible person and only my wife thinks I'm a fool since she knows me best! I refuse to give into scare tactics. You have your right to believe what you believe, and I have my right to believe what I believe. Just because we differ, that doesn't mean I'm irresponsible or a fool.

[The Real BigGuy]

The H1N1 death rate, as reported by CDC, was 0.02% (0.2 deaths per 1000 cases)which is less than the common flue. The COVID-19 rate in the US, reported yesterday is about 2.8% (28 deaths per 1000) but, you are correct in expecting it will decrease as more testing is done and cases reported. CDC expects it will go to 1%. Even if it drops to half that (0.5%) it will be 25 times more deadly than H1N1.

I understand your point MAJOR. I’m just not as big a gambler as you are but, I’m in the age group that appears to be the most effected. You may not be and have better odds than me. In either case, be safe.


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[The Real BigGuy]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/03/12/coronavirus-fear-psychology-powerlessness-toilet-paper-sanitizer/5010095002/


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[Susie Cougar]

Not a personal attack on you Susie but, your post points out the one of the reasons “fake news” is an issue. Individuals hear something or read something and can now quickly post it, tweet it, text it, etc. without hearing opposing or alternate views or doing their own verification of facts. Texting, tweeting, facebooking, posting, etc. make it far too easy to propagate misleading or false info. Far to easy to blame the media for “fake news” then to look at how we handle information. Shows how & how easy it was/is for Russia to interfere in our elections.


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Please read my original post #9
All I have said from the beginning is that we need to take this much more seriously than we are. Somehow, when I was trying to quote Major, all the quotes became mine and now I’m being accused of something that I didn’t say and I certainly don’t mean.

Again read my first posts. I have said that we need to start practicing social distancing as the only way to prevent this from spreading more quickly. I feel terrible that people believe that I feel the opposite of what I do.

[Newbiesaukee]

Let me ask you a legitimate question. Did you feel the same way as you do now when the H1N1 virus was running rampant? It remains to be seen with the coronavirus, but by any standard, H1N1 was an equivalent threat, certainly with respect to numbers infected. You may quibble about death rates, but not all the information is available. The death rate may be far less than the reported death rate since not all cases are accounted for.

My guess is that you did not feel the same way about H1N1. Why? Because of media and social media.

I am a responsible person and only my wife thinks I'm a fool since she knows me best! I refuse to give into scare tactics. You have your right to believe what you believe, and I have my right to believe what I believe. Just because we differ, that doesn't mean I'm irresponsible or a fool.

I did not in anyway call you irresponsible or a fool. The only thing I suggested was to deal with facts and I, in no way, suggested you were not. I did not attack you.

I honestly do not know why you would infer this from what I wrote. I agree we do not have all the information. You have every right not to give into “scare tactics.”

I understand your point about H1N1...I hope the outcome is the same but, at this point I am not optimistic. Your suggestion of an overreaction to Covid-19 may turn out to correct. I hope it is.

[Seaplane Pilot]

I would give anything to revert back to the discussion about Jet Skis. I'm with Major....this is complete hype and nonsense being fueled by the media. Maybe we could move over to the Heineken Virus, just for a change?

[Newbiesaukee]

I would give anything to revert back to the discussion about Jet Skis. I'm with Major....this is complete hype and nonsense being fueled by the media. Maybe we could move over to the Heineken Virus, just for a change?
I hope you are correct.

[Major]

I did not in anyway call you irresponsible or a fool. The only thing I suggested was to deal with facts and I, in no way, suggested you were not. I did not attack you.

I honestly do not know why you would infer this from what I wrote. I agree we do not have all the information. You have every right not to give into “scare tactics.”

I understand your point about H1N1...I hope the outcome is the same but, at this point I am not optimistic. Your suggestion of an overreaction to Covid-19 may turn out to correct. I hope it is.

Read carefully. "There is much that we do not know about this virus and only fools have certainty; but there is enough known that any responsible individual should have serious concerns about it."

I apologize but I made the inference from this statement.

[thinkxingu]

It appears that the NH Boat show will have a reduced crowd this year!

Two comments: I think we're seeing the result of a different philosophy at play here, one that has an analog in snow storms. At one point, nothing shut down for snow as it was just "normal" life, but now everything—schools, libraries, government buildings, restaurants, etc.—shuts down in order to avoid as much damage as possible.

Also, in this litigious/critical/condemning world, it's difficult/impossible to not be aggressive when thinking about possible consequences, especially when others begin a movement.

In the case of colleges in MA, with some closing and moving to online semester finishes, it will become increasingly hard for others to not do the same.

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[JEEPONLY]

Please read my original post #9
All I have said from the beginning is that we need to take this much more seriously than we are. Somehow, when I was trying to quote Major, all the quotes became mine and now I’m being accused of something that I didn’t say and I certainly don’t mean.

Again read my first posts. I have said that we need to start practicing social distancing as the only way to prevent this from spreading more quickly. I feel terrible that people believe that I feel the opposite of what I do.

As I reread this thread, and assuming nothing has been edited, I do not see anywhere that you have agreed with Major. You are correct in your convictions!

[Susie Cougar]

Thank you, Jeep!

[Seaplane Pilot]

The truth will set you free!

[gillygirl]

The truth will set you free!

My niece posted this on Facebook. Got mad when I pointed out inaccuracies and ridiculous comparisons. If this is truly from a doctor’s office, it should be shut down.


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[Susie Cougar]

All public schools in Maryland are closed starting immediately for two weeks.

[Seaplane Pilot]

My niece posted this on Facebook. Got mad when I pointed out inaccuracies and ridiculous comparisons. If this is truly from a doctor’s office, it should be shut down.


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Yes, of course it should since it contradicts the “agenda” and real motivation behind this absurdity.

[Cal Coon]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that John Kerry, and/or some of his corrupt, liberal, trader, scumbag friends, have all been working with the Chi-Comms to create the chaos that is the corona virus. Nobody wants Trump out of office more than the Chi- Comms, and the Demoncrat's. That's what liberals do. They "collude" with America's enemies to their advantage. Ted Kennedy "colluded" with the Russians back in the 80's to try and thwart Ronald Reagan's re-election to no avail... John Kerry has been dealing with the mullah's in Iran behind Trump's back trying to get Trump to go to war with Iran, hoping that it would destroy Trump's presidency. They don't care about anything other than POWER, (and destroying Trump), and they will do anything to get it, even if it's at the expense of this country. They hate this country. Like Rham Emanuel always says, "never let a good crisis go to waste", how pathetic. This corona virus scare tactic, is just another pathetic attempt to destroy Trump, and/or his chances of re-election, because liberals know that they can't win an election by simply debating the issues. They would lose every time, so they have to resort to their corrupt ways, knowing they have the media in their back pocket to protect, and cover for them whenever needed... The "double standard". It's more obvious now than ever before, and for that reason, no matter what they throw at Trump from here on out, it will never succeed. The people are on to their pathetic little games. My hunch is that he will be re-elected in a land slide, and hopefully start putting these corrupt bastards in jail where they belong. Sorry if I went a little off topic...

[Top-Water]

Sorry if I went a little off topic...

:):):)

I remember a month / 2 weeks ago when we were all focused on impeachment. Can't help but think this could all be crap to detsroy the economy after reading things today. I'm begining to think that if they can't destroy him one way they will try something new. Nothing will make them feel better unless they can improve the nanny state and make more pepole dependent instead of resourceful.

[Cal Coon]

:):):)

I remember a month / 2 weeks ago when we were all focused on impeachment. Can't help but think this could all be crap to detsroy the economy after reading things today. I'm begining to think that if they can't destroy him one way they will try something new. Nothing will make them feel better unless they can improve the nanny state and make more pepole dependent instead of resourceful.I would like to think that the "corona virus" will be aka the "kitchen sink"!! It's all they got left to throw at him!!! Although, (God only knows) what they got up their sleeves... They are very very sleazy, corrupt, trader's to this country, and never to be underestimated. BTW, FWIW, what's the over/under amount of time (in jail) that Harvey Weinstein ends up like his buddy Jefferey Epstein...?? All the while Bill continues to slide under the radar... Nice to have the media in your back pocket!!

[gillygirl]

:):):)

I remember a month / 2 weeks ago when we were all focused on impeachment. Can't help but think this could all be crap to detsroy the economy after reading things today. I'm begining to think that if they can't destroy him one way they will try something new. Nothing will make them feel better unless they can improve the nanny state and make more pepole dependent instead of resourceful.

Actually, it was 5 weeks on Wednesday, the night that the President gave his catastrophic speech from the Oval Office.


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[Top-Water]

Actually, it was 5 weeks on Wednesday, the night that the President gave his catastrophic speech from the Oval Office.


Thank you for refreshing my memory.... Sorry :rolleye2: I was busy busting my ass and working late nights and saturdays to help get a project off the ground at work ......... how silly of me not to have the exact date.

[Cal Coon]

Thank you for refreshing my memory.... Sorry :rolleye2: I was busy busting my ass and working late nights and saturdays to help get a project off the ground at work ......... how silly of me not to have the exact date.Gillygirl is a typical example of how TDS (Trump derangement syndrome), is far more of a threat to this great country than the corona virus ever will be... That's why they need to be defeated (at the polls) badly. They need the spanking they won't allow us to give our kids anymore...!!! lol

[joey2665]

Actually, it was 5 weeks on Wednesday, the night that the President gave his catastrophic speech from the Oval Office.


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Yes yes yes it’s all the presidents fault. This is a difficult climate for any president he’s doing his best pumped 500 billion into the economy wants to eliminate payroll tax which the Dems originally agreed with now they disagree. Why? Because they want to win an election they do not care about the constituents at all only there agenda.


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[thinkxingu]

Enough with the political vitriol.

Let's direct your anger at my 4th jetski thread! Ah, the good ol' days.

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[Top-Water]

I'm glad you don't teach math.


Jet Ski Advice
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24975
09-07-2019

New Jet Ski Advice
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25105
10-20-2019

Where to Jetski (other than Winni)
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25122
10-26-2019

(New) Jet Ski Accessory List
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25211
12-03-2019

New Jetski Tips/Advice/Accessory Info Wanted
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25143
11-02-2019

Sea-Doo GTI vs. GTX
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25303
01-15-2020

[joey2665]

Oh my that is hilarious [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]. Made my morning.


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[TiltonBB]

Enough with the political vitriol.

Let's direct your anger at my 4th jetski thread! Ah, the good ol' days.

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Just think of all the future threads you can start and waste time on:

1. I bought it.

2. I brought it home and waxed it.

3. I went for a ride.

4. I took a friend for a ride.

5. I loaded it on the trailer all by myself.

6. I took it to the dealer for service.

And on, and on, and on. and on............................

[Top-Water]

Ermmm!

You forgot one..............

I started a web cam where you can watch me go around in circles ........ over and over again.

[thinkxingu]

Now THAT'S more like it—thanks, friends!

(Top-Water, you continue to be depressing with your lack of a life!)

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[ishoot308]

George Carlin said it best!...Definitely NSFW and if your offended by curse words, don't bother clicking link...

Funny stuff right here!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo

Dan

[8gv]

To be fair...

90% of PWC activity IS the pursuit, acquisition, preparation, transportation, maintenance and storage of the machine.

10% is the zipping around the lake.

Can we get a countdown clock for the first splash?

:D

[Top-Water]

George Carlin said it best!...Definitely NSFW and if your offended by curse words, don't bother clicking link...

Funny stuff right here!... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X29lF43mUlo

Dan

Right on !! Funny stuff.

[FlyingScot]

I'm glad you don't teach math.


Jet Ski Advice
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24975
09-07-2019

New Jet Ski Advice
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25105
10-20-2019

Where to Jetski (other than Winni)
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25122
10-26-2019

(New) Jet Ski Accessory List
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25211
12-03-2019

New Jetski Tips/Advice/Accessory Info Wanted
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25143
11-02-2019

Sea-Doo GTI vs. GTX
by: thinkxingu
https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25303
01-15-2020

It's either incredibly impressive that you could pull this stuff up in a moment, or incredibly sad that you would take the apparent time necessary just to antagonize a pen pal. Either way, I expect an excellent answer to my 40-fold paper question :)

[thinkxingu]

It's either incredibly impressive that you could pull this stuff up in a moment, or incredibly sad that you would take the apparent time necessary just to antagonize a pen pal. Either way, I expect an excellent answer to my 40-fold paper question :)In no universe it is impressive, sooo...

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[Top-Water]

It's either incredibly impressive that you could pull this stuff up in a moment, or incredibly sad that you would take the apparent time necessary just to antagonize a pen pal. Either way, I expect an excellent answer to my 40-fold paper question :)

I do not think I antagonized anyone, just pointed out that the math sucked.

[winni83]

It takes about 10 seconds to come up with the list Top Water posted. Just go to the relevant member, click posts started by that member and there it is. No digging necessary.:liplick:

[swnoel]

...is where I'll be ordering my 2020 Sea-Doo GTX 170! Hahahaha!!! Bazinga!

But seriously, who's going and is there a better day than another to connect with DaSilva's? I was thinking Saturday, but I'd like to have time to ask questions and play with the machines without feeling rushed. I've only ever been to the show once before some years back and can't remember how busy it was.

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Do they have a bathroom there... askig for a friend with a weak bladder.

[gillygirl]

Do they have a bathroom there... askig for a friend with a weak bladder.



Tell them not to drink all that Corona before they go.


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Do they have a bathroom there... askig for a friend with a weak bladder.

Bathroom, Yes
TP, No

[Biggd]

Bathroom, Yes
TP, NoBetter grab some napkins at the snack bar. :emb:

[Biggd]

I wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn that John Kerry, and/or some of his corrupt, liberal, trader, scumbag friends, have all been working with the Chi-Comms to create the chaos that is the corona virus. Nobody wants Trump out of office more than the Chi- Comms, and the Demoncrat's. That's what liberals do. They "collude" with America's enemies to their advantage. Ted Kennedy "colluded" with the Russians back in the 80's to try and thwart Ronald Reagan's re-election to no avail... John Kerry has been dealing with the mullah's in Iran behind Trump's back trying to get Trump to go to war with Iran, hoping that it would destroy Trump's presidency. They don't care about anything other than POWER, (and destroying Trump), and they will do anything to get it, even if it's at the expense of this country. They hate this country. Like Rham Emanuel always says, "never let a good crisis go to waste", how pathetic. This corona virus scare tactic, is just another pathetic attempt to destroy Trump, and/or his chances of re-election, because liberals know that they can't win an election by simply debating the issues. They would lose every time, so they have to resort to their corrupt ways, knowing they have the media in their back pocket to protect, and cover for them whenever needed... The "double standard". It's more obvious now than ever before, and for that reason, no matter what they throw at Trump from here on out, it will never succeed. The people are on to their pathetic little games. My hunch is that he will be re-elected in a land slide, and hopefully start putting these corrupt bastards in jail where they belong. Sorry if I went a little off topic...I think it was a Democrat that went over to China and contracted the virus so he could bring it back to America to get Trump discredited. Those Democrats will stoop to anything to win in 2020. :rolleye2:

[thinkxingu]

Bedford and Nashua schools are closing for a week. I'm guessing no boat show. That makes two I won't make because of sickness!

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[Major]

I think it was a Democrat that went over to China and contracted the virus so he could bring it back to America to get Trump discredited. Those Democrats will stoop to anything to win in 2020. :rolleye2:

Remember, there are well-known democrats in the media, e.g., Bill Mahar and Joy Behar, who were rooting for a recession. I don't remember any Republicans rooting for our country to fail to drive Obama out of office.

One of the most important things to come from this is exposing our reliance on China. We should not be relying on the enemy for our most important goods and services. Bring back manufacturing to the U.S. I'd love to blame the Democrats for this, but it was a joint effort between Democrats and Republicans.

[The Real BigGuy]

Wow, 2 weeks ago it was no big deal and would be gone very, very soon. Today a national emergency!

For you conspiracy theorists, China is now saying coronavirus was brought to China by the US military.


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[Major]

Wow, 2 weeks ago it was no big deal and would be gone very, very soon. Today a national emergency!

For you conspiracy theorists, China is now saying coronavirus was brought to China by the US military.


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I don't remember anyone saying that it was no big deal and would be gone soon. Like any epidemic, it needs to run its course, similar to the flu.

I am as likely to believe a bunch of godless commies as I would believe our mainstream media. How soon we forget 3 1/2 years of "Russian collusion" let alone the other crises du jour.

[Major]

Bedford and Nashua schools are closing for a week. I'm guessing no boat show. That makes two I won't make because of sickness!

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That's a shame. Like you, I was looking forward to it.

Truth be told, I am more upset by The Masters. To me, it is must viewing!

[The Real BigGuy]

Did you listen to the President?


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[Major]

Did you listen to the President?


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He was doing what any good leader does, he was calm and not overreacting. He has handled the matter masterfully, not letting 1,500 U.S. citizens die before doing anything, like our prior lazy president. However, that president had the media in his back pocket. The last thing I want our president doing is saying the sky is falling.

[8gv]

Hmmm

Colleges and high schools closing with parents still out working.

Perhaps we shall have a new population surge.

Can you say Corona Boomers?

:eek:

[Garcia]

I don't remember anyone saying that it was no big deal and would be gone soon. Like any epidemic, it needs to run its course, similar to the flu.

I am as likely to believe a bunch of godless commies as I would believe our mainstream media. How soon we forget 3 1/2 years of "Russian collusion" let alone the other crises du jour.

President Trump, Feb 26, "We're at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list so that we're going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time."

Are you really saying that President Trump did not initially downplay the issue? In less than a month his statements have gone from "low level" to declaring a national emergency.

Maybe we're just talking about alternative facts... Are those admissible in the courtroom:D:D:D

[Major]

President Trump, Feb 26, "We're at the low level. As they get better, we take them off the list so that we're going to be pretty soon at only five people. And we could be at just one or two people over the next short period of time."

Are you really saying that President Trump did not initially downplay the issue? In less than a month his statements have gone from "low level" to declaring a national emergency.

Maybe we're just talking about alternative facts... Are those admissible in the courtroom:D:D:D

What is untrue about that statement? On February 26th, it was at a low level. He was going by the information he had at the time. Give the guy a break. Any of us would have postured the situation the same way. Maybe he should have let 1500 Americans die before doing anything? That would have been much better.

[Major]

In thinking about it, it's at a low level now. The media and social media are driving the panic we are now seeing. Under 100 deaths in the U.S. Our government's response is more to appease the media than anything else.

[Biggd]

The great pumpkin finally admitted that we have a pandemic. That was a word he didn't want to hear a week ago. It took a stock market crash for him to act. If the market didn't crash he would still be in denial. But I'm glad he finally acted like a leader instead of a spoiled child regardless of what forced him into it.

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[DEJ]

I have seen some childish post's here in the past however this one takes the cake. We are supposed to be one battling this issue, so sad you had to stoop this low. Hope you are proud of yourself.


The great pumpkin finally admitted that we have a pandemic. That was a word he didn't want to hear a week ago. It took a stock market crash for him to act. If the market didn't crash he would still be in denial. But I'm glad he finally acted like a leader instead of a spoiled child regardless of what forced him into it.

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[Biggd]

The truth hurts.

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[Garcia]

In thinking about it, it's at a low level now. The media and social media are driving the panic we are now seeing. Under 100 deaths in the U.S. Our government's response is more to appease the media than anything else.

You didn’t let me down - exactly the response I expected.:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[DEJ]

The truth hurts.

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I rest my case.

[Paugus Bay Resident]

And all this has what to do with the OP's topic? I've been a member of this forum for over 15 years and despite Don's hard work, it's getting more and more distant from what it started out to be. Very sad :(

[ApS]

Bathroom, Yes
TP, No

Snort.....

[Micker]

Susie, your math is wrong. 0.03% is 0.0003. So 5,000,000 at a 0.03% death rate is 1,500 deaths. Based on the estimated mortality rate of COVID-19, using the CDC guess that once all cases are reported it will be 1% worldwide, there would be 50,000 deaths for 5,000,000 cases. Yes, far fewer than the flu in total but scarier because, as someone said previously, it is unknown and there is no vaccine.

I’m close to 70 and I’ve never been scared of the flue. I wasn’t bothered by the bird flu, MERS, SARS, H1N1, and the super flu scares. This scares the crap out of me


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The CDC “guess” indeed. Take at look at Italy. 15k reported. 1k dead already. 1k recovered. 13k ongoing. Depending on how you want to look at those statistics the mortality rate is anywhere from 7.333 to 50%. This is not an insignificant sample.

We don’t know enough yet to make an intelligent guess. If you are young and/or healthy and don’t know anyone that isn’t, Then maybe you are ok.

You still need to worry about any of your healthy friends that do know someone who isn’t.

Follow the advice from CDC and other sources you trust. Best way to get rid of this thing is to take it seriously.


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[Biggd]

I rest my case.I guess the President is the only one who gets a pass on acting childish.

[Major]

I guess the President is the only one who gets a pass on acting childish.



Honestly get over it! He is by far the best president in my lifetime. He has done more for more Americans during three years than his lazy do nothing predecessor did in eight. All Obama did was destroy healthcare.

So what, he uses Twitter to fight back. He doesn’t appear as “presidential” as the RHINO Bush. Look at what he’s accomplished. It’s tremendous.


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[JADAQ]

The boat show was cancelled today...

[thinkxingu]

The boat show was cancelled today...Rescheduled to October—that does NOT help me!

I'm guessing they'll still extend the boat show deals?

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[8gv]

Considering the stock market decline, lost wages and the diminished income of the self employed, I'd bet boat dealers have a pessimistic outlook for sales this year.

Throw in a boat show cancellation or three and we now have a buyer's market.

Drive a hard bargain and hope the dealer has missed your "eager buyer" threads here.

[thinkxingu]

Considering the stock market decline, lost wages and the diminished income of the self employed, I'd bet boat dealers have a pessimistic outlook for sales this year.

Throw in a boat show cancellation or three and we now have a buyer's market.

Drive a hard bargain and hope the dealer has missed your "eager buyer" threads here.Meh. I ate out twice today, and both places were empty. Bertucci's had one server during lunch (on a Friday!) and a Chinese restaurant tonight had the same (no buffet, sadly).

I tipped both servers $20. Some people are gonna get crushed through this, and I'm fortunate enough to not have to worry about it, so I won't be busting my local dealer.

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[DEJ]

I guess the President is the only one who gets a pass on acting childish.

It appears you are now a member of that club.:)

[Biggd]

Honestly get over it! He is by far the best president in my lifetime. He has done more for more Americans during three years than his lazy do nothing predecessor did in eight. All Obama did was destroy healthcare.

So what, he uses Twitter to fight back. He doesn’t appear as “presidential” as the RHINO Bush. Look at what he’s accomplished. It’s tremendous.


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[Biggd]

It appears you are now a member of that club.:)
He's made it fashionable to be a member.

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[DEJ]

He's made it fashionable to be a member.

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So I guess you are fashionable, congratulations.:)

[Major]

I've never seen this country as divided as it is now in my lifetime. I guess that's your idea of tremendous.

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Trust me, we were just as divided over lazy do-nothing Obama. Republicans and conservatives behaved like adults and didn’t throw hissy fits like children.


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[thinkxingu]

Trust me, we were just as divided over lazy do-nothing Obama. Republicans and conservatives behaved like adults and didn’t throw hissy fits like children.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYes, conservatives and Republicans were super respectful.15660

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Long rant withheld. Tie for some respect of our elected officials and each other. The boat show was cancelled an so should be this thread.

[joey2665]

I've never seen this country as divided as it is now in my lifetime. I guess that's your idea of tremendous.

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And that’s all the president’s fault? Nothing to do with the media, especially social media or the opposing side. It take two to tango and is this case 3. They are ALL to blame no one is innocent and politicians and the media willingly divide the country to achieve their objective of winning an election and gaining personal wealth at the expense of the people. Only one thing can save our system now. TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS


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[Garcia]

Trust me, we were just as divided over lazy do-nothing Obama. Republicans and conservatives behaved like adults and didn’t throw hissy fits like children.


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Referring to a former President as lazy-do nothing Obama and thinking this is adult behavior shows me what's wrong. I wish more were willing to lead by example rather than rhetoric.

My hope is that the much maligned millennials are able to step up and restore civility both in politics and everyday life. As long as the "adults" of today are unable or unwilling to see, let alone accept, any role they might have played or are continuing to play in the current toxic state in our great country, there will never be change. Instead, periodically there will be a shift in which party is in power, continued toxic rhetoric, and no meaningful, sustainable actions which will help us grow stronger not just today but for years to come. Maybe the millennials can't do it. Thus far, those of us in older generations have made things worse. And yes I know, it's not me, it's the other side. (That was meant to be both sarcastic and cynical)

[Major]

Referring to a former President as lazy-do nothing Obama and thinking this is adult behavior shows me what's wrong. I wish more were willing to lead by example rather than rhetoric.


Obama was lazy. Other than destroying healthcare what did he do? Give hundreds of millions of dollars to Iran for some meaningless treaty? Join the Paris climate accord so we could systematically destroy our energy advantage? He did NOTHING.

A list of Trump's accomplishments:

•Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
•More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
•Created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs.
•Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
•Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
•New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
•Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
•African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
•Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
•Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
•Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
•Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
•Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
•Veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
•Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
•The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans.
•95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
•Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
•Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
•As a result of the tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
•Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
•Record number of regulations eliminated.
•Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
•Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.

This is just a partial list. Two conservative supreme court justices are at the top of my list. You can say what you want about Trump, but he's a workaholic and a doer. By the way, I thought Bush was lazy too.

[Major]

Yes, conservatives and Republicans were super respectful.15660

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You're not seriously going to compare the treatment of Trump versus Obama? Especially by the mainstream press. For every incident you can claim for Obama I could show a hundred for Trump.

[Major]

And all this has what to do with the OP's topic? I've been a member of this forum for over 15 years and despite Don's hard work, it's getting more and more distant from what it started out to be. Very sad :(

As one of the bigger offenders, I actually tend to agree with you. I would rather see topics about the Lakes Region discussed. I grew up here and moved back here because I love it.

That said, I view these discussions like talking to my mother-in-law. My wife and I have an agreement with my mother-in-law not to talk politics because she always ends up crying. However, during even benign conversations she can't help pepper into the conversation digs and slights against Trump and republicans. With her, I try desperately not to respond. However, with the Forum, I feel differently. If I see a dig at our president or conservative values, I feel like I have to respond. I honestly try not to initiate. Most of my comments are in response to someone else's dig. However, I have probably initiated a few.

That said, arguing for some of us is fun and engaging. I grew up in a family that did not hold back. We discussed things. If the members of the Forum do not like the political discussion, let me know and I'd be happy to comply.

[The Real BigGuy]

I will try my best to avoid political discussion and comment from now on.


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[mcdude]

If the members of the Forum do not like the political discussion, let me know and I'd be happy to comply.


That would be me (among others). Political discussions have never been tolerated on this forum. I don't understand why this thread has been allowed to go on for so long. It says on the home forum page "Forums limited to Lakes Region Topics"

[Biggd]

That would be me (among others). Political discussions have never been tolerated on this forum. I don't understand why this thread has been allowed to go on for so long. It says on the home forum page "Forums limited to Lakes Region Topics"I'm sorry I got drawn into this political rant. I usually try to avoid these discussions because they can get heated and out of control.
They really should be left to political forums where people enjoy trashing each other over their political view points. Or Twitter, where people say ***** without engaging their brain first.
Thankfully I'm not on Twitter and I will never be on it!
Over and out on this thread.

[joey2665]

That would be me (among others). Political discussions have never been tolerated on this forum. I don't understand why this thread has been allowed to go on for so long. It says on the home forum page "Forums limited to Lakes Region Topics"

I agree. I say one thing about an FLL post and my reply is deleted (that has happened twice to me) this thread should be removed.


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[mishman]

The amount of downplaying of the coronavirus threat on this feed by some is highly disturbing.

A month ago, many Americans had not heard of the virus. Two weeks ago, it was a problem on some cruise ships and in far away countries. Last week it was emerging in various parts of America via community spread. And all this time there has been a very minimal amount of actual testing done (unlike other countries that seem to have their act together). The sh_t hit the fan a few days ago for most of us. And you think this is an overreaction???? You think it was actually caused by media overreaction??

A week to ten days from now, our hospitals will be overwhelmed. It will get worse over the next month if people don't heed the warnings to lay low. We will lose loved ones, mostly senior citizens.

People, get your heads straight. This is a serious threat and no amount of political posturing is going to make it magically go away.

[JEEPONLY]

It takes about 10 seconds to come up with the list Top Water posted. Just go to the relevant member, click posts started by that member and there it is. No digging necessary.:liplick:

As the man said- "in a moment" or "apparent amount of time" = wasted!

[JEEPONLY]

As I've said before- this place is better than TV- not better than a book- but better than TV!

[joey2665]

The amount of downplaying of the coronavirus threat on this feed by some is highly disturbing.



A month ago, many Americans had not heard of the virus. Two weeks ago, it was a problem on some cruise ships and in far away countries. Last week it was emerging in various parts of America via community spread. And all this time there has been a very minimal amount of actual testing done (unlike other countries that seem to have their act together). The sh_t hit the fan a few days ago for most of us. And you think this is an overreaction???? You think it was actually caused by media overreaction??



A week to ten days from now, our hospitals will be overwhelmed. It will get worse over the next month if people don't heed the warnings to lay low. We will lose loved ones, mostly senior citizens.



People, get your heads straight. This is a serious threat and no amount of political posturing is going to make it magically go away.



Certainly not magically going away but the hoarding and panic buying and mass closures of schools and events is a gross overreaction and being propertied by the media that seems to only report new cases and deaths and nothing about the thousands that have recovered world wide.

Yes be vigilant wash your hands use sanitizers and avoid unnecessary contact but also remember this is not an airborne illness.

Additionally remember any politician no matter the side will try to obtain political gain from every unfortunate situation including this and the more you watch news stations the more ad money they receive. Everyone has an agenda.




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[FlyingScot]

Certainly not magically going away but the hoarding and panic buying and mass closures of schools and events is a gross overreaction and being propertied by the media that seems to only report new cases and deaths and nothing about the thousands that have recovered world wide.

Yes be vigilant wash your hands use sanitizers and avoid unnecessary contact but also remember this is not an airborne illness.

Additionally remember any politician no matter the side will try to obtain political gain from every unfortunate situation including this and the more you watch news stations the more ad money they receive. Everyone has an agenda.

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Please stop--your nit picking clouds the issue. Virus from an infected sneeze will travel 6' through the air. Even if most will recover without much harm, this could kill a massive number of people.

The steps our political leaders are taking are not an overreaction, they are a lighter version of those used effectively in China. I trust you would agree that their media is not driving their government.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/china-s-aggressive-measures-have-slowed-coronavirus-they-may-not-work-other-countries