Randolph, NH, Big Truck Crash...Bikers killed. (2019)

[ApS]

For those of you out-of-state, there was a big crash not long after the Lakes Region's Bike Week ended.

In a double-yellow zone, it involved seven fatalities (maybe eight, including the truck driver). :eek:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/7-dead-in-crash-between-truck-motorcycles-in-new-hampshire/ar-AADfkmF?ocid=spartandhp

Practically in sight of the B&B they were staying in. :(

[Hillcountry]

Just saw this on a FB post...damned tragedy.

[WinnisquamZ]

Truck was towing a trailer which appears to have jackknifed into the bikes. The feds have been called in to recreate. Smart of Jackson and the state to let them handle it


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[Red apple]

An absolute shame. No words to describe this.


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[Outdoorsman]

From another source: This group were Ex-Marines

On June 21st 2019 Jarheads MC was riding to a charity event at the local American Legion in Gorham, New Hampshire Post #82. Our pack was struck by an oncoming vehicle and we lost 5 patch holders and 2 supporters, and many others are injured

Tragic all the way around.

[Jersey Bob]

From another source: This group were Ex-Marines

On June 21st 2019 Jarheads MC was riding to a charity event at the local American Legion in Gorham, New Hampshire Post #82. Our pack was struck by an oncoming vehicle and we lost 5 patch holders and 2 supporters, and many others are injured

Tragic all the way around.

Sorry, but they were former Marines. Once a Marine always a Marine. Oorah!
And when they get to heaven, St Peter they will tell "Another Marine reporting, Sir. I've served my time in Hell!"

[Music Man]

WMUR (https://www.wmur.com/article/serious-crash-involving-motorcycles-pickup-shuts-down-route-2-in-randolph/28143655)is doing a good job of keeping up with the story.

What is known so far: accident involved ten bikers, heading eastbound, 500 feet from where they were staying. The bikers were part of the Marine Jarhead Motorcycle Club, having a reunion in Randolph. The truck was an auto mover from Massachusetts, heading westbound. Investigation is still underway, but it appears to be distracted driving on the truck's part, possibly speeding as well. It was along a stretch of straight road, so no turns were involved. Seven bikers dead. Two treated locally and released. One was med-evaced to Maine and is critical condition.

[Outdoorsman]

WMUR (https://www.wmur.com/article/serious-crash-involving-motorcycles-pickup-shuts-down-route-2-in-randolph/28143655)is doing a good job of keeping up with the story.

What is known so far: accident involved ten bikers, heading eastbound, 500 feet from where they were staying. The bikers were part of the Marine Jarhead Motorcycle Club, having a reunion in Randolph. The truck was an auto mover from Massachusetts, heading westbound. Investigation is still underway, but it appears to be distracted driving on the truck's part, possibly speeding as well. It was along a stretch of straight road, so no turns were involved. Seven bikers dead. Two treated locally and released. One was med-evaced to Maine and is critical condition.

I road this route with a group yesterday. There were many groups of bikers, antique cars and even a convoy of tractors bobtailing. Local law enforcement did an outstanding job halting traffic traveling East on Rte. 2 so the groups of riders could merge onto Rte. 2 and stay together.

As music man stated, this is still under investigation.... but, I can assure you that this did not happen on a stretch of straight road. The bikes traveling East had just crested the top of a hill, the truck had just rounded a bend in the road on an uphill climb. There was not even a 100 yard view of the road in either direction. You could clearly see where this accident happened by the burned grass on the side of the road and the fluid remains on the pavement in the travel lanes.

[Hillcountry]

Saw on this morning’s news that the truck driver is being charged with 7 counts of negligent homicide. He also has a DUI record with the latest infraction a month ago. I hope he spends many years thinking about the pain he has caused.

[WinnisquamZ]

This site won’t be for everyone, but his information is spot on

https://turtleboysports.com/westfield-transportation-should-burn-in-hell-for-hiring-boris-clitoris-despite-two-duis-and-drug-arrests-as-well-as-a-long-history-of-violations-and-cutting-corners/


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[joey2665]

This site won’t be for everyone, but his information is spot on

https://turtleboysports.com/westfield-transportation-should-burn-in-hell-for-hiring-boris-clitoris-despite-two-duis-and-drug-arrests-as-well-as-a-long-history-of-violations-and-cutting-corners/


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Absolutely agree he should have NEVER been hired with his driving record. I had 50 drivers on the road who were heavily screened for drug use and safety with random drug testing and I had them all on a DMV service that immediately notified me of any DMV violations.

Safety first and this tragedy would have NEVER happened. Thoughts and prayers to the families of those involved.

[FlyingScot]

Saw on this morning’s news that the truck driver is being charged with 7 counts of negligent homicide. He also has a DUI record with the latest infraction a month ago. I hope he spends many years thinking about the pain he has caused.

I hope he's doing his thinking from jail.

I hope the politicians who make the rules on drivers' licenses spend many years think about this, but just a few weeks deciding to do something about letting guys like this behind the wheel at all. How many DUIs does it take to lose your license?

[jbolty]

I hope he's doing his thinking from jail.

I hope the politicians who make the rules on drivers' licenses spend many years think about this, but just a few weeks deciding to do something about letting guys like this behind the wheel at all. How many DUIs does it take to lose your license?

Seriously, how many times do you hear about a crash like this all over the country only to find out the driver has multiple previous suspensions or convictions.

[iw8surf]

Absolutely agree he should have NEVER been hired with his driving record. I had 50 drivers on the road who were heavily screened for drug use and safety with random drug testing and I had them all on a DMV service that immediately notified me of any DMV violations.

Safety first and this tragedy would have NEVER happened. Thoughts and prayers to the families of those involved.

The issue with the drug testing too is the DOT is a 5 panel drug test... Even today most companies do I believe a 10 panel for pre employment, so they could be high as a kite as long as it isn't those top 5 drugs. I always thought that was dumb.

[joey2665]

The issue with the drug testing too is the DOT is a 5 panel drug test... Even today most companies do I believe a 10 panel for pre employment, so they could be high as a kite as long as it isn't those top 5 drugs. I always thought that was dumb.

We did the 12 panel random test. But more importantly to me was the constant dmv monitoring on all dmv renewals, suspensions, infractions etc and this system was updated within 24 hours.


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[WinnisquamZ]

And it begins

Head of Mass RMV Erin Deveney resigns over tragic NH fatal crash case
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06/25/head-of-mass-rmv-erin-deveney-resigns-over-tragic-nh-fatal-crash-case/
(Via Boston Headline News)


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[Top-Water]

And it begins

Head of Mass RMV Erin Deveney resigns over tragic NH fatal crash case
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06/25/head-of-mass-rmv-erin-deveney-resigns-over-tragic-nh-fatal-crash-case/
(Via Boston Headline News)

First, my heartfelt sympathies to all the families that lost loved ones, without question a genuine tragedy.

Second, and the jest of my thoughts. But I can't help wondering why she resigned. Are we going to find out more in the next few weeks something else? Granted innocent until proven guilty, but is there more to this story about how this person was still driving after what has been reported on the news. Is this going to be one of those stories like the Ma. state police overtime scandal that seems like a lot of folks tuned a blind eye to. Or lead in drinking water in Detroit among other things that seem to happen in large state agencies. Or is it the way things go these days if you are connected. Something seems a little off here but can't seem to find just the right words to describe it.

[FlyingScot]

First, my heartfelt sympathies to all the families that lost loved ones, without question a genuine tragedy.

Second, and the jest of my thoughts. But I can't help wondering why she resigned. Are we going to find out more in the next few weeks something else? Granted innocent until proven guilty, but is there more to this story about how this person was still driving after what has been reported on the news. Is this going to be one of those stories like the Ma. state police overtime scandal that seems like a lot of folks tuned a blind eye to. Or lead in drinking water in Detroit among other things that seem to happen in large state agencies. Or is it the way things go these days if you are connected. Something seems a little off here but can't seem to find just the right words to describe it.

My hope is that she was forced to resign as a matter of accountability. She allowed a grievous error to occur, she's paying the price as the top proximate official. Good. Now the new boss will implement systems to make sure the mistake is not repeated.

[Top-Water]

My hope is that she was forced to resign as a matter of accountability. She allowed a grievous error to occur, she's paying the price as the top proximate official. Good. Now the new boss will implement systems to make sure the mistake is not repeated.

I agree & hope you are correct, and that is all that this is. But, I thought that all these systems were already in place, for lack of a better term, how did they get short-circuited on what appears to be maybe more than one occasion.


As WinnisquamZ wrote "And it begins" ........ Just wondering out loud, what is the end on this story.

[Hillcountry]

I agree & hope you are correct, and that is all that this is. But, I thought that all these systems were already in place, for lack of a better term, how did they get short-circuited on what appears to be maybe more than one occasion.


As WinnisquamZ wrote "And it begins" ........ Just wondering out loud, what is the end on this story.

Just another smaller, version of “the swamp” that will always be present as long as politicians work for themselves and not the electorate. Very difficult to “drain”

[ApS]

And it begins
Head of Mass RMV Erin Deveney resigns over tragic NH fatal crash case
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/06/25/head-of-mass-rmv-erin-deveney-resigns-over-tragic-nh-fatal-crash-case/
Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMV—Receives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

➼ Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

[dickiej]

We will never take impared driving seriously in this country. In Europe, you get significant jail time and long term license revocation after your second offense. No plea bargaining and no special deals. The reason why we won't take it seriously: most of our legislators are lawyers and many of them are drunks.

[thebix]

Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.


From story on NECN
https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Driver-in-Fatal-NH-Crash-Had-Violations-Arrests-in-5-States-511861692.html?fbclid=IwAR0quxdnp29gnN68kcziYmaVAL GhCGLN1RpnS_O5yoIiHN-5obO4EZ-iu34

'In all, Zhukovskyy served at least six license suspensions in Massachusetts after obtaining his license in April 2013, though some of the sanctions overlapped, according to records provided by the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. He also completed two safe driving education courses through the National Safety Council.'

[SAMIAM]

Ever notice that when a public official reigns in disgrace they simply retire early with 10K monthly retirement payout plus benefits such as the deputy sheriff in Broward county that stood by as children were shot.
Even Blagojevich...the Chicago mayor in prison for corruption is getting his big payday each month.
In the real workplace if you screw up....you're fired.No bennies from the taxpayers.
Sorry to hijack this serious discussion.......heartfelt sympathy to the families and victims

[joey2665]

Ever notice that when a public official reigns in disgrace they simply retire early with 10K monthly retirement payout plus benefits such as the deputy sheriff in Broward county that stood by as children were shot.

Even Blagojevich...the Chicago mayor in prison for corruption is getting his big payday each month.

In the real workplace if you screw up....you're fired.No bennies from the taxpayers.

Sorry to hijack this serious discussion.......heartfelt sympathy to the families and victims

You summed up exactly why these people want to take office. The benefits, not to assist the public.


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[fatlazyless]

For towing a big, long, heavy, old(?), goose neck trailer like that, the tow vehicle should be a dually with four wheels in the back, and it probably was a dually for a transport company hauling cars with cdl drivers ...... but we don't know this for sure .....maybe it was a Dodge Ram 2500 pickup with four wheels as opposed to six wheels?

Having six wheels is more solid with better control ..... less swing and sway especially when the goose neck trailer is empty.

A loosie-goosie trailer driven by a loosie-goosie driver can be a double-bad loosie-goosie combination?

[Top-Water]

For towing a big, long, heavy, old(?), goose neck trailer like that, the tow vehicle should be a dually with four wheels in the back, and it probably was a dually for a transport company hauling cars with cdl drivers ...... but we don't know this for sure .....maybe it was a Dodge Ram 2500 pickup with four wheels as opposed to six wheels?

Having six wheels is more solid with better control ..... less swing and sway especially when the goose neck trailer is empty.

A loosie-goosie trailer driven by a loosie-goosie driver can be a double-bad loosie-goosie combination?


It always seems to amaze me how you love to inject your twisted sense of humor at every opportunity when ever there is a an event causing great suffering.

[swnoel]

Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMV—Receives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

➼ Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

Unfortunately , I believe there is more to this story. Hopefully it won't be covered up...

[Top-Water]

Unfortunately , I believe there is more to this story. Hopefully it won't be covered up...

Exactly! what I was thinking.

[fatlazyless]

.... there's no humor in that comment .... do not deserve your wrath .... it's could well be a loosie-goosie truck, goose neck trailer combination, driven by a loosie-goosie driver which makes it a double-bad loosie-goosie situation ..... where's the humor here? ..... ain't noth'n funny about it ...... all driving should be taken very seriously ..... and especially for truckers!

[thinkxingu]

.... there's no humor in that comment .... do not deserve your wrath .... it's could well be a loosie-goosie truck, goose neck trailer combination, driven by a loosie-goosie driver which makes it a double-bad loosie-goosie situation ..... where's the humor here? ..... ain't noth'n funny about it ...... all driving should be taken very seriously ..... and especially for truckers!Words matter. Using "loosie-goosie" and blaming the machine on a thread about a criminal driver killing a bunch of motorcyclists is abhorrent.

I hope this guy, and anyone negligently involved, gets slammed. I also hope the companies, and the people who knowingly employed him, are destroyed.

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[joey2665]

Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMV—Receives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

➼ Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

Not letting RMV off the hook at all but the employer has a tremendous amount of culpability. If they used a license monitoring service or even ran his RMV record on a pre employment check they would have never hired him.


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[ishoot308]

Not letting RMV off the hook at all but the employer has a tremendous amount of culpability. If they used a license monitoring service or even ran his RMV record on a pre employment check they would have never hired him.


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I agree! Also the trailer that truck was towing was way too big and heavy for that truck, most likely not legal whatsoever! DOT will be involved and this is going to come back and bite that company in the a** as it should!

Both he and his irresponsible company should be put out of commission for good!!

Dan

[ishoot308]

Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMV—Receives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

➼ Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

APS;

Your summary of events really put this unfortunate event into perspective and how irresponsible many parties were to even let this punk drive.

Thanks for taking the time to put this post together as you did!

Dan

[fatlazyless]

..... the trailer that truck was towing was way too big and heavy for that truck, most likely not legal whatsoever! .....

.... could be a Ram 2500 dually w/ 6-wheels or a Ram 2500 w/4-wheels ..... do not know?

.... truck management knows who is the good driver and what is the less good truck/trailer and maybe gives to the less good driver the lower quality rig .... isn't that the way it usually goes .... could be it was a 4-wheel pickup towing the goose neck trailer ..... is still unknown?

Dodge Ram makes a 3500 pickup which can be a dually, so's maybe this 2500 was a 4-wheeler and too small for this goose neck tow ..... is an unanswered question.

[SAB1]

Spot on dan. That trailer looked way to big for me on that truck. All kinds of issues surround this case including ICE now being involved. Kid never should have been driving. The woman at the registry surely got canned but aside from that I hold the owner of the company accountable for hiring him. But aside from that there hasn’t been a day gone by when I haven’t thought of those that died and the families they left behind.

[ishoot308]

But aside from that there hasn’t been a day gone by when I haven’t thought of those that died and the families they left behind.

Yes, these were good people, veterans, family members, who were out enjoying life. One useless punk in a matter of seconds takes their life away.

As a prior Marine I can tell you this tragedy has really upset me...

Dan

[fatlazyless]

It takes about two seconds to figure out that driving a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a car. Just one fast look at the two, car and motorcycle, and you realize this safety issue.

Driving in New Hampshire will never be a perfect, totally safe experience ..... bad stuff can happen?

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety ..... In 2016 the risk of death was 28 times higher driving a motorcycle than a car.

If you think about this ..... 28-times is a very big difference .... a huge difference.

Motorcycles look very dynamic and are very fun to ride but are way more deadly ..... 28-times .... than driving a car.

[ishoot308]

It takes about two seconds to figure out that driving a motorcycle is more dangerous than driving a car. Just one fast look at the two, car and motorcycle, and you realize this safety issue.

Driving in New Hampshire will never be a perfect, totally safe experience ..... bad stuff can happen?

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety ..... In 2016 the risk of death was 28 times higher driving a motorcycle than a car.

If you think about this ..... 28-times is a very big difference .... a huge difference.

Motorcycles look very dynamic and are very fun to ride but are way more deadly ..... 28-times .... than driving a car.

This accident had NOTHING to do with the motorcycles FLL!! The "homicide" of seven innocent people was totally the cause of one drug addicted drunk p.o.s. who should have never been behind the wheel to begin with. There is no other way to look at it!!

Dan

[MAXUM]

It's also likely that if a car were in the same position of those bikes at the time, the occupants would have suffered a similar fate.

[robmac]

That driver will never have to pay the FULL price for his actions which is criminal in of itself. The trailer was far too big and heavy for a 2500 Dodge with single rear wheels! How ever I haven't heard any LEO or dept mentioning a bill of laiding so he was hauling something which brings the deep pockets into the criminal act as well. Either way we can't bring them back and my heart goes out to the families and loved ones of those we lost.

[rick35]

Shouldn’t someone who’s here on a green card have been kicked out after his first or second infraction? I don’t know how someone like that gets a green card but that’s a privilege and should be revoked if the person breaks the law.

[robmac]

As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

[Outdoorsman]

From story on NECN
https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Driver-in-Fatal-NH-Crash-Had-Violations-Arrests-in-5-States-511861692.html?fbclid=IwAR0quxdnp29gnN68kcziYmaVAL GhCGLN1RpnS_O5yoIiHN-5obO4EZ-iu34

'In all, Zhukovskyy served at least six license suspensions in Massachusetts after obtaining his license in April 2013, though some of the sanctions overlapped, according to records provided by the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles. He also completed two safe driving education courses through the National Safety Council.'

All I can say is WOW.... Six license suspensions at any age is outrageous, let alone for someone so young.

I have always had an issue with sentences being served "concurrently" and that is something that I was talking about the other day. If convicted, this guy needs to serve 7 CONSECUTIVE sentences. Anything short of that is equally outrageous.

As an aside, I worked in Gorham this week and on Wednesday when I drove by the scene there was a company putting up seven 6' +/- crosses at the crash site. Very nice gesture. Today when I drove by, the state has put up 2 of the roadside smart signs warning traffic to SLOW DOWN, "possible road side activity ahead" Kudo's to the state for being proactive and allowing loved-ones to visit the scene.

[fatlazyless]

As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

Have to wonder if he would jump at the opportunity to get deported back to Ukraine from the Coos County House of Correction, Stewartstown, NH, which is very close to the NH-Canada border as opposed to being a prisoner at the NH State Prison in Berlin for the next 15-40 years?

Does he deserve a death, execution, penalty?

Could be the truck was too small, the trailer was too big, the Massachusetts DMV process was too slow, and both the driver and transport company management was no good. Could be something like an uneven asphalt, winter frost heaved road surface is partially to blame, too?

Probably, he would rather be back in the Ukraine ....... in a Ukraine prison?

[MAXUM]

Have to wonder if he would jump at the opportunity to get deported back to Ukraine from the Coos County House of Correction, Stewartstown, NH, which is very close to the NH-Canada border as opposed to being a prisoner at the NH State Prison in Berlin for the next 30 years?

Does he deserve a death, execution, penalty?

Probably, he would rather be back in the Ukraine?

Neither! I'd give this guy a tax payer paid one way plane ticket to the North Korean prison system. They seem to know how to deal with scum like this, and that to me would be a fitting end to this guy. A comfortable life behind bars or death here is not fitting enough for my taste. Send him back to Ukraine will do nothing, he'll be back crossing the southern border again in no time since we have no appetite to stop the flow of people into this country.

[rick35]

I think we’re stuck with him until he finishes serving whatever time he gets. Then we should send him back and take our chances that he doesn’t sneak back in.

[WinnisquamZ]

Drop him off at the local VFW!


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[ApS]

Three more arrests found by Boston Globe:
Ohio and Iowa.

:confused:

[Top-Water]

There has been a number of follow up stories since this tragedy the past few days. Some what notable was/is the reports from Massachusetts that no one was monitoring the incoming mail in this section of the registry, probably another one of those 100,000 dollar a year jobs that you really don't have to show up for.

Tonight's news mentions the first lawsuits have also been filed. Naming the Trucking company and the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles.


WMUR: Memorial ride for Randolph crash victims.

https://www.wmur.com/article/thousands-of-motorcyclists-expected-for-memorial-ride-for-randolph-crash-victims/28265583

[robmac]

I know one of the survivors has formally filed against the trucking company,however they are still looking to see if they can sue the state(RMV) which I think is one of MA laws not allowing it I think there is a tort law statute that limits litigation to 100,000

[WinnisquamZ]

http://wcvb.com/article/gov-baker-update-on-troubled-registry-of-motor-vehicles/28302780?src=app


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[Top-Water]

Expect delays Saturday during/at the start of the memorial ride. WMUR reporting Thousands expected to participate in ride to honor victims of Randolph crash.

Travel will be most affected in the Lakes Region from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. and in the Gorham area from 3 to 5 p.m. There could be some ramp and lane closures on Interstate 93, officials said.

Full story: https://www.wmur.com/article/officials-to-announce-new-route-for-ride-for-the-fallen-7/28302254

[fatlazyless]

Turning right from Route-104 onto Rt-93 north ...... the road has been getting re-paved for the last month or so, on both north and south sides?

As of Thursday night, July 4: Rt 93-north from exit-23 to exit-24, a distance of about six miles, had uneven lanes with about a 3 or 4 inch higher pavement on the left lane due to road re-paving.

The right hand lane was scarfed in preparation for new asphalt, and the left hand lane had brand new asphalt about 3 or 4 inches higher up which might be a hazard for motorcycles?

Thaat was a day and a half ago?

[WinnisquamZ]

Over 2500 bikes! With thousands more waving them on. NH and the Lakes Region showing the country who we are!


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[TiltonBB]

It was a well done event and a nice tribute. The Broken Spoke did a great job hosting the start of the ride.

[KTO]

Drone video as they came through Meredith, turning off Pease Rd. Onto 104

<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/WbFpY9ONsMQ" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://youtu.be/WbFpY9ONsMQ

[WinnisquamZ]

Drone video as they came through Meredith, turning off Pease Rd. Onto 104

https://youtu.be/WbFpY9ONsMQ

Thank you


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[fatlazyless]

"It appears that until recently there was an institutional belief that this was not a serious safety problem."

July 30, 2019: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/07/30/rmv-records-license-violations

As you probably know, Massachusetts now has a population of 7-million, and New Hampshire has a population of 1.3-million, and it sure seems like New Hampshire has a lot better grip on its' driver safety enforcement. Just having a smaller sized population is a big plus, here.

No information yet as to whether the driver was texting or drunk or on drugs or both, at the time?

No information yet whether the Ram-2500 was a 6-wheel dually or a four wheel truck.

[LIforrelaxin]

"It appears that until recently there was an institutional belief that this was not a serious safety problem."

July 30, 2019: https://www.wbur.org/news/2019/07/30/rmv-records-license-violations

As you probably know, Massachusetts now has a population of 7-million, and New Hampshire has a population of 1.3-million, and it sure seems like New Hampshire has a lot better grip on its' driver safety enforcement. Just having a smaller sized population is a big plus, here.

No information yet as to whether the driver was texting or drunk or on drugs or both, at the time?

No information yet whether the Ram-2500 was a 6-wheel dually or a four wheel truck.

Bottomline, is that this guy shouldn't have been driving commercially.....

The RMV in Massachusetts, has always been a mess. And hopefully this will bring about some much needed change. Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

But now the adminstration, needs to clean up its act. Hopefully this will lead to some more resignations, or firings of top Mass. RMV officials, and the Governor will put people in place, with instructions to start cleaning the mess up.

There is no reason, that this should have happened. The RMV has done nothing but reduce their work load, you rarely need to go to the registry if you are a AAA member... To many people making to much money, and not doing their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes, I am a Massachusetts resident, who is deeply sadden by the events that led to this accident

[joey2665]

Also keep in mind that this truck was registered in MA traveling across state lines to the driver and vehicle are subject to USDOT regulations in addition to state regulations.

[Top-Water]

Bottomline, is that this guy shouldn't have been driving commercially.....

The RMV in Massachusetts, has always been a mess. And hopefully this will bring about some much needed change. Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

But now the adminstration, needs to clean up its act. Hopefully this will lead to some more resignations, or firings of top Mass. RMV officials, and the Governor will put people in place, with instructions to start cleaning the mess up.

There is no reason, that this should have happened. The RMV has done nothing but reduce their work load, you rarely need to go to the registry if you are a AAA member... To many people making to much money, and not doing their jobs!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh yes, I am a Massachusetts resident, who is deeply sadden by the events that led to this accident

No disagreement here. For years this has been a place for the (political/hacks/patronages) a place to hang out while collecting a pay check. I would not be surprised if most of them were no shows at work.


I'm really wondering if they will really dig into what really happened here.

A few days ago when they started reporting on this once again. I guess from what I had seen, most of the people that were supposed to testify did not show up.

[LIforrelaxin]

Also keep in mind that this truck was registered in MA traveling across state lines to the driver and vehicle are subject to USDOT regulations in addition to state regulations.

Ultimately, I believe it is a USDOT regulation that states that once a driver is convicted in one state of an infraction that removes their eligibility to drive, that from a commercial perspective, that infraction removes their right to drive in all states.

The problem here, is that the driver had a Massachusetts Drivers license, which the State of Connecticut can't take from him, or revoke his ability to drive with out proper action from the Massachusetts RMV. Because the Massachusetts RMV didn't properly respond, there was no way for a company to recognize that this guy had a DUI conviction.

Now to put further spin on this, how many drivers have speeding tickets, or failure to stop, tickets in other states, that haven't been updated in the RMV records, causing them to have higher insurance premiums?

This isn't just about this one case, its about many cases and the process that is supposed to exist.....

Massachusetts RMV has screwed the pooch here, If the state doesn't continue its investigation, and then act upon its findings, then the negligence isn't just an RMV issue it is a State issue... The state doesn't want that, because then the USDOT become involved...

WHile the accident is horrible... the results from the accident should bring about some change here in Mass.

[TiltonBB]

Back in the 80s they use to send "Registry Cops", which where fully dressed and outfitted State Police officers, out with Kids for their driving tests. Those same cops used to believe they where untouchable, and had been known to put there hands on their fire arms, and threaten people when they disagreed with Registry employees. (ask me how I know).....Fortunately that calamity has been straightend out, and registry cops are no longer.

That was the action of Michael Dukakis. (D-MA) The State Police did not support his election and in fact spoke out against it. As retribution for the lack of support Dukakis merged the Capitol Police and the Registry Police into the State Police. A move that the State Police union was very much against.

[Bigstan]

Drugs were involved, of course.....

https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2019/08/01/truck-driver-was-on-drugs-reaching-for-drink-at-time-of-fatal-new-hampshire-crash-report-says

[ApS]

As of this afternoon he has an ICE detainer

There is a question as to his legal status as a U.S. citizen. The Feds had granted him a "green card".

Meanwhile, his Springfield, MA, trucking company (owned by a couple from the same foreign region) has been Federally charged of "cooking the books" to keep their drivers on the road longer:

https://dailyvoice.com/massachusetts/worcester/police-fire/owners-of-big-rig-that-hit-and-killed-7-motorcyclists-accused-of-cover-up-effort/804047/

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Neither! I'd give this guy a tax payer paid one way plane ticket to the North Korean prison system. They seem to know how to deal with scum like this, and that to me would be a fitting end to this guy. A comfortable life behind bars or death here is not fitting enough for my taste. Send him back to Ukraine will do nothing, he'll be back crossing the southern border again in no time since we have no appetite to stop the flow of people into this country.

I couldn’t agree more....get him outta here...North Korea sounds just plain perfect. For good measure, include the truck company owners who were complicit. No mercy!

[fatlazyless]

What a surprise verdict of NOT GUILTY on ALL CHARGES against truck driver, Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, with the blame for the collision directed at the lead motorcyclist who was drunk and crossed the center yellow line ....... OUCH! ..... what a shocker! ...... totally holy moly ...... can you believe it! ..... :eek: .... like o.m.g! .... and jump'n Jehoshaphat!

Raw video: Volodymyr Zhukovskyy found not guilty at trial .... www.wmur.com/article/raw-video-volodymyr-zhukovskyy-found-not-guilty/40850325 ... and the jury only deliberated their decisions for 2.5-hours so these were speedy decisions for the Coos County jury.

There were 15-charges against him; seven counts of manslaughter, seven counts of negligent homicide, and one count of reckless conduct.

www.concordmonitor.com/jury-deliberations-start-in-deadly-motorcycle-crash-trial-47539765 ..... read all about it!

[ApS]

It just occurred to me that if a prospective jurist had read the following, he/she would be rejected from the jury:

Driving drunk—underage: Nothing happens.

In possession of a crack pipe: Nothing happens.

2013 Larceny of Home Depot Warehouse: Nothing happens.

Wallet left at gas station, contained heroin and cocaine packets: Nothing happens.

Flipped 18-wheeler in Texas, another crack pipe: Nothing happens.

Arrested in Texas one month ago, gave fake name: Nothing happens.

May 11, crashed into brush, fails sobriety test in parking lot, arrested:

Connecticut RMV notifies Massachusetts RMV—Receives acknowledgment...Nothing happens.

June 13th, Lane infraction: Nothing happens.

➼ Something Happens! :eek:

60 hours after NH wreck: Nothing happens.

➼ Arrested in Massachusetts, heroin and cocaine found in home... :rolleye1:

Knowing his criminal history "prejudices" the jury.

[fatlazyless]

So, after three years locked up in jail, the killer collision happened June 21, 2019 in northern New Hampshire, the defendant is tried in court and quickly found 'not guilty' by a Coos County jury?

https:///www.wbur.org/news/2022/08/09/new-hampshire-2019-trucker-biker-crash ...... August 9, 2022

So ApS ...... you started this thread on June 22, 2019 ....... so, how the heck can this happen here in New Hampshire on August 9, 2022 ? ... :patriot:

https:www.nhpd.org/offices ...... Attorney Jay Duguay, New Hampshire Public Defenders, Littleton NH

You know what ..... WBUR is totally and completely responsible for this ridiculous verdict and must be de-funded! ..... :eek2:

'Long 3 years: Trial to start in deaths of 7 motorcyclists' ..... https://www.newstribune.com/news/2022/jul/23/long-3-years-trial-to-start-in-deaths-of-7/ ...... July 23, 2022

[MeredithMan]

...I was totally shocked when I saw that headline yesterday. For the guy to be acquitted on ALL charges, in a relatively quick deliberation, the prosecution must have botched the case or the defense was stellar.

[thinkxingu]

Sounds like a lot of conflicting info and that prosecutors hung their hats on the horrible outcome rather than what actually happened.

“From the beginning of this investigation, the state had made up their mind about what had happened, evidence be damned,” said Duguay, who also highlighted inconsistencies between witness accounts or when witnesses contradicted themselves.

In particular, Duguay suggested that the bikers “shaded” their accounts to protect Mazza and the club. Prosecutor Scott Chase acknowledged some inconsistencies, but asked jurors to remember the circumstances."

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[Slickcraft]

I’m sure that this verdict was a traumatic outcome for family and friends. I also believe that the members of the jury did their best to adhere to the judge’s instructions.

If the standard of proof was preponderance of the evidence, as in a civil trial, then the verdict probably would have been guilty. And that is how most of us would look at it. Guilty! The issue is that no one knows for absolute certainty the real cause. While the truck driver was most probably at fault, the defense argued just enough uncertainty such that the beyond a reasonable doubt proof standard was not met in the eyes of the jury.

Alan

[Woodsy]

Unfortunately...

The State did not meet the burden of proof and the intoxication charges were dismissed... When that happened, the jury can no longer consider the intoxication level of the truck driver, however the intoxication level of the lead biker was admissible.

Woodsy

[WinnisquamZ]

Must add the state did three re-enactments of the accident and in each case the truck never crossed over the yellow line. We all feel terrible about this accident, however the state was unable to prove the truck was solely at fault.


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[fatlazyless]

Who you gonna believe? In Russia ..... https://understandrussia.com/dash-cams/ ..... is very common for cars to have a car camera on the front of the inside rear view mirrow.

Here in New Hampshire ..... the accused defendant got locked away in jail for thirty seven months, over three years, before going to trial ...... and then found not guilty! Does jail time come with available wifi internet service and a lap top? What the heck does one do while locked up in jail for 37-months?

For $24.99 at Walmart you can get a FHD 1080P Dash Cam ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2NKPdygn7g .... anyone have a really cheap dash cam recommendation for $25?

Driving a motorcycle ..... https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety .... is supposedly 28-times more likely to have a fatal crash than a car so all things considered is safer in a Subaru than on a Harley Davidson ...... a lot safer!

[garysanfran]

I remember when this accident happened and the media coverage of it. I drove north and visited the depressing scene.

I remember thinking the truck driver was guilty as hell and would never be free again during his life.

The media reported things the jury was not allowed to hear because those historical items in this guy's life could not be admitted in the court-of-law. It could only be disclosed, by the media, in the court-of-public-opinion.

Now, reading the details of the case, the outcome makes legal sense...But WOW!!!

[FlyingScot]

Terribly sad, and I have not doubt the truck driver belongs in jail in the general sense. But a 2.5 hour verdict is blazingly fast, and a sober (at the time time) truck driver, and a drunk biker, make it very understandable. The case is an important reminder that we should not jump to legal conclusions before all the facts are in

[8gv]

...I was totally shocked when I saw that headline yesterday. For the guy to be acquitted on ALL charges, in a relatively quick deliberation, the prosecution must have botched the case or the defense was stellar.

Or...

That facts of the case tell a different story than the public was led to believe.

I get it.

Veterans killed, multiple offender druggy FROM ELSEWHERE... what's not to hate?

What if it was our truck that mixed it up with a lead bike that strayed across the line?

We could feel horrible for being in the wrong place at the wrong time but it wouldn't be our fault.

The truck driver is a criminal.

Let's deport him or send him to jail for any convictions he can receive.

[Mr. V]

So this innocent man was wrongly incarcerated for three years.

Were I him I'd now sue the socks off the authorities for this.

[thinkxingu]

So this innocent man was wrongly incarcerated for three years.

Were I him I'd now sue the socks off the authorities for this.I think him saying on the record that he caused the accident is enough to have kept him in prison until the trial was over.

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[MeredithMan]

Or...

That facts of the case tell a different story than the public was led to believe.

I get it.

...I've been on a jury only once and that was a civil case, but the judge set the parameters of what evidence we could consider in our deliberations. Sounds like that was the case here too...you have to decide guilt or innocence within those boundaries. As someone posted earlier, there's the court of public opinion and the court of law...

[TiltonBB]

Now that the criminal trial is over, watch for the civil case to be brought by the affected parties and their relatives. The burden of proof is significantly lower.

However, any judgement would depend upon the insurance and assets of the driver, the truck owner, and any uninsured motorist coverage held by the motorcycle operators. The attorneys will do an extensive asset search as part of their due diligence to determine what financial recovery is available.

[fatlazyless]

Now that the criminal trial is over, watch for the civil case to be brought by the affected parties and their relatives. The burden of proof is significantly lower.

However, any judgement would depend upon the insurance and assets of the driver, the truck owner, and any uninsured motorist coverage held by the motorcycle operators. The attorneys will do an extensive asset search as part of their due diligence to determine what financial recovery is available.

So, now that this court case has described the lead motorcyclist as driving drunk and crossing over the center yellow line, seems that Zhukovskyy could countersue the lead motorcyclist's motorcycle insurance policy for his three years incarceration time in NH jail.

What caused this collision? ..... www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/truck-driver-acquitted-deaths-7-motorcyclists-head-collision-rcna42510 ... Aug 10, 2022 by Associated Press ...... So, who is at fault? ...... there is NO video?

With 77-different state liquor stores, excellent selection, and low low prices, the NH State Liquor Stores are the biggest interface between NH state government and NH state residents so's maybe the dead motorcyclists can sue the NH State Liquor for having such low prices and great selection! So, what caused this collision ...... speed, alcohol, drugs, and inattentive driving, crossing the CENTER YELLOW LINE all mixed up, together with everyone involved? ...... :patriot:

[mowtorman]

The machine is not dangerous as a powerboat is not dangerous. As with a boat, the driver can introduce danger into the picture with altering substances and how they drive. Motorcycles are small and nimble enough to avoid some accidents, but like the young man in Moultonboro hit by a vehicle secondary to a crash in front of him, the consequences are far worse. The State of NH Safe Rider course is excellent and very applicable to driving cars safely as well.

[swnoel]

The verdict to this surprised me... for a jury to decide this quickly, authorities must have done something terribly wrong against the defendant.

[ishoot308]

I think him saying on the record that he caused the accident is enough to have kept him in prison until the trial was over.

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Correct!! it was reported that he admitted to causing the accident.

It was also reported that he admitted he had gone over the yellow center line.

It was also reported he had taken heroin, fentanyl and cocaine that day.

Also reported is he had three prior convictions of charges that included Possession of Cocaine and Heroin, Possession of Drug Paraphernalia, Driving Under Suspension, Furnishing False Information to an Officer and Larceny.

It was also reported he had previous OUI charges in 2013 in Westfield, Massachusetts, and in Connecticut in 2019.

How did this all get dismissed and suddenly he is innocent of all these charges / accusations???

Innocent??...Really?

Dan

[WinnisquamZ]

“It was reported” tells you everything you need to know. No one is saying he had no responsibility in the accident. However, the state was unable to prove he was solely at fault. All this talk of civil suits is rubbish. He is sitting in a cell as I write being held by ICE. Awaiting a deportation hearing. Which will come after he answers to the driving charges in MA and then Conn.


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[John Mercier]

Correct!! it was reported that he admitted to causing the accident.

It was also reported that he admitted he had gone over the yellow center line.

It was also reported he had taken heroin, fentanyl and cocaine that day.

Also reported is he had three prior convictions of charges that included Possession of Cocaine and Heroin, Possession of Drug Paraphernalia, Driving Under Suspension, Furnishing False Information to an Officer and Larceny.

It was also reported he had previous OUI charges in 2013 in Westfield, Massachusetts, and in Connecticut in 2019.

How did this all get dismissed and suddenly he is innocent of all these charges / accusations???

Innocent??...Really?

Dan
Blood tests and reconstruction of the accident.
Previous charges or convictions cannot be used to determine guilt in the current incident.

[fatlazyless]

“It was reported” tells you everything you need to know. No one is saying he had no responsibility in the accident. However, the state was unable to prove he was solely at fault. All this talk of civil suits is rubbish. He is sitting in a cell as I write being held by ICE. Awaiting a deportation hearing. Which will come after he answers to the driving charges in MA and then Conn.
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As a Ukraine citizen he HAS temporary protected status for deportaion from the U.S.A. to Ukraine, effective April 19, 2022 to October 19, 2023 .....www.federalregister.gov/documents/2022/04/19/2022-08390/designation-of-ukraine-for-temporary-protected-status ...... this is getting complicated ..... meanwhile, after 37-months locked up in a northern NH jail he most likely is off-the-drugs .... maybe permanently?

So what the heck does one do to pass the time while locked up in a northern NH jail for 37-months? Does the jail have wifi and computers and tennis courts?

[hd333]

Now that the criminal trial is over, watch for the civil case to be brought by the affected parties and their relatives. The burden of proof is significantly lower.

However, any judgement would depend upon the insurance and assets of the driver, the truck owner, and any uninsured motorist coverage held by the motorcycle operators. The attorneys will do an extensive asset search as part of their due diligence to determine what financial recovery is available.

Based on the outcome if the trial would the civil suit be brought upon the family of the motorcyclist that was drunk?

Truck driver seems like a real scumbag, but from what I read the biker caused the accident.


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[ishoot308]

“It was reported” tells you everything you need to know. No one is saying he had no responsibility in the accident. However, the state was unable to prove he was solely at fault. All this talk of civil suits is rubbish. He is sitting in a cell as I write being held by ICE. Awaiting a deportation hearing. Which will come after he answers to the driving charges in MA and then Conn.


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While "it was reported" does not make it fact, it sure sounds like these allegations were dropped because of some legal loophole. I could be wrong...His prior record, convictions and previous multiple DWI offenses is enough for me to say he is a repeat offender...and I dont like him!

Dan

[ishoot308]

Blood tests and reconstruction of the accident.
Previous charges or convictions cannot be used to determine guilt in the current incident.

His blood test should be made public especially if he had no drugs in his system as has been stated time and time again.

His prior convictions certainly can be used if he decided to testify on his own behalf (not sure if he did in this case). In this instance, A jury will certainly look at and take into consideration prior offenses unless ordered not to do so by the presiding judge because of some legal reason or loophole. A repeat / habitual offender will also be sentenced more harshly than someone who has a first offense conviction.

Dan

[SailinAway]

Very difficult case, not open and shut.

ABC News: "An expert hired by the defense testified that the crash happened on the center line of the road and would have occurred even if the truck was in the middle of its lane because Mazza’s motorcycle was heading in that direction."

Hmm . . . Sounds like the opposite could also have happened: The crash would have occurred even if all the motorcycles were in the middle of their lane because the truck was headed in that direction. Or would Zhukovsky have had time to swerve back into his lane and avoid a crash if the motorcycle had not struck his left front tire? We will never know that. My reading of the defense's reconstruction team's report is that the motorcycle hit the truck's tire first, while BOTH were on the center line. Apparently the state police retracted their first interpretation of what occurred.

Prosecutor: "Witnesses were consistent, he argued, in describing the truck as weaving back and forth before the crash. That behavior continued 'until he killed people,' Chase said.'" . . . "The only thing that stopped him was an embankment after he tore through a group of motorcycles."

The crux of the case: "The judge threw out the charges related to driving under the influence. Police never questioned Zhukovskyy’s sobriety at the crash scene and the judge ruled prosecutors had failed to prove he was impaired." Zhukovsky's blood was drawn two hours after the accident. "Donna Papsun of Pennsylvania-based NMS Labs said Monday that [heroin] was found in an amount 'below the reporting limit,' the concentration of substances that can be measured accurately."

If the decision in this case was wrong, the blame seems to rest partly with the prosecutors for not showing that Zhukovsky was impaired. However, it's not likely that an officer would arrive on the scene of that catastrophic crash and immediately get a sample of Zhukovsky's blood. Not at all surprising that it took two hours to get a sample.

Jurors can only decide a case based on the judge's instructions. In this case, the judge had already dismissed the DUI charges, so that could not enter into the jury's decision. Given that the judge ruled that the state didn't prove its DUI case, and the lab said there were not enough drugs detectable to prove impairment, who are we to say the opposite? At this point, no one knows or can prove whether Zhukovsky was impaired at the time of the accident. We only know that he was not impaired two hours after the accident. We do know that the motorcyclist was impaired at the time of the accident.

Clearly there was mutual fault on that day: drunk motorcyclist, possibly or probably impaired truck driver, both on the center line at the same time. "Possibly or probably" isn't enough to prove a case. If the motorcyclist hadn't been drunk, perhaps he could have taken evasive action.

Judgments can only be based on provable evidence, and the evidence was lacking in this case. That doesn't mean there never was any evidence; it only means that the prosecution was unable to produce the evidence, for whatever reason---because Zhukovsky actually wasn't impaired, the state police failed to collect the evidence in time, or the prosecutors were incompetent, it's impossible to say.

In that scenario, our justice system favors the defendant, who is innocent until proven guilty. I'm sure we would all want that protection of the law in our own cases. Some people are not satisfied with the verdict because "not proven guilty" does not mean that someone is actually not guilty and they suspect that Zhukovsky actually was guilty (as do I). We will never know in this case due to the lack of critical evidence about his impairment. We have to accept the outcome anyway, because a system based on "guilty until proven innocent" is not how our democracy works and none of us would want to live under that system.

Emotionally, I'm not satisfied with the verdict, but I believe it was the only legally defensible outcome due to lack of evidence presented in court. I think the jury made the right decision and that Sununu should have known that and not expressed a personal opinion on the case. The reason that people are upset is that something horrible happened that was clearly due to human error, and justice demands that serious human errors be punished. But first you have to prove the cause of the error and that did not happen in this case.

Quotes above taken from various news reports.

[John Mercier]

His blood test should be made public especially if he had no drugs in his system as has been stated time and time again.

His prior convictions certainly can be used if he decided to testify on his own behalf (not sure if he did in this case). In this instance, A jury will certainly look at and take into consideration prior offenses unless ordered not to do so by the presiding judge because of some legal reason or loophole. A repeat / habitual offender will also be sentenced more harshly than someone who has a first offense conviction.

Dan
Prior offenses would only be used for sentencing.
The ''public'' doesn't decide the case... the jury does. It found him not guilty.
Pretty sure that the jury had access to blood tests and accident reconstruction data.

[fatlazyless]

With no seat belt, no airbags, and no 3000-lb steel car surrounding you, motorcycles are high risk ........ how much high risk? ...... twenty eight times more FATAL risk than driving a car according to www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_Safety

Like, what do you get from driving a motorcycle that you can't get from hiking up and down a NH mountain? .... :D

And, regardless whether the defendant goes to prison for life or goes totally free or goes back to Ukraine...... the fallen-7 are still fallen ..... June 21, 2019 ..... dead is dead is dead .... and riding a motorcycle is 28-times more likely to become a dead end.

[TiltonBB]

“All this talk of civil suits is rubbish.


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OK, sure. That is what OJ thought too, before he lost the civil suit.

You can sue anyone. It doesn't mean you will win but nothing stops them from filing a suit if they think they have a chance to prevail.

[ishoot308]

Prior offenses would only be used for sentencingIf you would of read my post thoroughly, I said, "not if he took the stand to testify on his own behalf". The prosecuting attorney could of brought up and used his prior offenses against him as a "pattern of behavior" tactic to help determine guilt just like they tried at the Kyle Rittenhouse trial... But like I said previously, I'm not sure and highly doubt he did testify considering the outcome!

The ''public'' doesn't decide the case... the jury does. It found him not guilty.
Pretty sure that the jury had access to blood tests and accident reconstruction data. From what I have read and maybe misunderstood, the blood tests were thrown out for whatever reason...


No need to reply as I'm done on this...

Dan

[KPW]

If you would of read my post thoroughly, I said, "not if he took the stand to testify on his own behalf". The prosecuting attorney could of brought up and used his prior offenses against him as a "pattern of behavior" tactic to help determine guilt just like they tried at the Kyle Rittenhouse trial... But like I said previously, I'm not sure and highly doubt he did testify considering the outcome!

From what I have read and maybe misunderstood, the blood tests were thrown out for whatever reason...


No need to reply as I'm done on this...

Dan. It was determined that his blood tests came back under the minimum.

[fatlazyless]

So, the war in Ukraine with neighboring Russia has caused the U.S. Immigration Dept to effect a temporary deportation ban through October 19, 2023 for Ukraine residents. Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, no longer an accused defendant, is age-26, military fighting age, so possibly he can choose to return to Ukraine to enlist in the Ukraine military to fight against the invading Russian Army.

He is presently, August 12, 2022, locked-up somewhere in Pennsylvania at a federal detention facility awaiting deportation back to Ukraine which is apparently on hold due to the TDB, temporary deportation ban for Ukraine citizens. Living in Massachusetts since age-10, he is a citizen of Ukraine?

[LIforrelaxin]

Folks everyone is getting carried away here.... We live in America....

First there are always two trials...

The trial in the Press, where the press is never really held accountable, if they report incorrect assumptions as facts....

Then the Trial in the court room, where things are scrutinized. Which can end up in a complete contrary verdict, that doesn't agree with what the Press lead us to believe......

The laws and rules of this country where applied, a Jury provided a decision, we need to be done with this... Not continue to argue over what is write and what is wrong....

[FlyingScot]

Folks everyone is getting carried away here.... We live in America....

First there are always two trials...

The trial in the Press, where the press is never really held accountable, if they report incorrect assumptions as facts....

Then the Trial in the court room, where things are scrutinized. Which can end up in a complete contrary verdict, that doesn't agree with what the Press lead us to believe......

The laws and rules of this country where applied, a Jury provided a decision, we need to be done with this... Not continue to argue over what is write and what is wrong....

Just as the jury did with this bum of a defendant, let's be fair to the press and also hold ourselves accountable.

No one on this forum has cited any incorrect reporting. (A person's memory of an article from years ago does not count.) The LDS reporting has been excellent, especially for a small paper without a lot of resources. If I'm wrong here, I look forward to a link correcting me.

All of us, myself included, were ready to lock this guy up just based on his past behavior. That's on us, nobody else

[ishoot308]

I guess boatbottom952 felt it necessary to send me this by PM….

“Don't stop crying and taking your ball home with you. You were WRONG, so stop crying and move on. You entitled little ones make me laugh.”

Somehow I’m “entitled” “crying” and “I’m taking my ball home” because I asked John Mercier not to bother to respond as I was done on this topic. The only reason I said that is unlike some, I don’t need or care to get the last word in on any topic. This is just an Internet forum that’s supposed be somewhat fun, and relevant to the lake.

Always love people who hide behind screen names and send nasty PM’s to other forum members anonymously acting like a tough guy…

Well broadbottom I’m not going anywhere and you should stop playing on your mothers computer!:rolleye1::laugh::laugh:

Dan

[thinkxingu]

I guess boatbottom952 felt it necessary to send me this by PM….

“Don't stop crying and taking your ball home with you. You were WRONG, so stop crying and move on. You entitled little ones make me laugh.”

Somehow I’m “entitled” “crying” and “I’m taking my ball home” because I asked John Mercier not to bother to respond as I was done on this topic. The only reason I said that is unlike some, I don’t need or care to get the last word in on any topic. This is just an Internet forum that’s supposed be somewhat fun, and relevant to the lake.

Always love people who hide behind screen names and send nasty PM’s to other forum members anonymously acting like a tough guy…

Well broadbottom I’m not going anywhere and you should stop playing on your mothers computer!:rolleye1:[emoji23][emoji23]

DanHow is this tool still a member after going after Sue and admin learning that s/he has two other usernames that also have been unforumlike?

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[ishoot308]

Folks everyone is getting carried away here.... We live in America....

First there are always two trials...

The trial in the Press, where the press is never really held accountable, if they report incorrect assumptions as facts....

Then the Trial in the court room, where things are scrutinized. Which can end up in a complete contrary verdict, that doesn't agree with what the Press lead us to believe......

The laws and rules of this country where applied, a Jury provided a decision, we need to be done with this... Not continue to argue over what is write and what is wrong....

Nicely stated LI! This was a tough one for me being both a former Marine and semi retired biker it hit close to home… But yes I agree and as I stated previously, I am done with it.

Now why did I reply??..:eek::eek:

Have a great weekend!

Dan

[FlyingScot]

Hi Dan,

You're right--this BS should see sunshine...

A couple of weeks ago I received an email alert that I had this PM from Boatbottom:

"It really isn't any of your Business. Focus on changing your state of Mass. Gunstock is not your concern."

The message was not in my Forum box when I checked, so I figured Boatbottom or Don had axed it, and I just decided to let it go.

But this guy needs to stop harassing people, and maybe if we all share this stuff it will end

[dickiej]

For those of you wrestling with the “ beyond a reasonable doubt” concept, ask yourself one question: which is worse….convicting an innocent person to jail, or letting a guilty person off. ?

[thinkxingu]

For those of you wrestling with the “ beyond a reasonable doubt” concept, ask yourself one question: which is worse….convicting an innocent person to jail, or letting a guilty person off. ?That depends—does the person have an extensive criminal history, including drug and alcohol charges and a license that was supposed to have been revoked as a result of previous offenses?

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[Sue Doe-Nym]

It’s really pathetic, but I have observed that the PM is the perfect chosen vehicle for the cowards, bullies, and misfits who haven’t the courage to post their ideas or grievances on an open forum…..sick and creepy.

[John Mercier]

That depends—does the person have an extensive criminal history, including drug and alcohol charges and a license that was supposed to have been revoked as a result of previous offenses?

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That would be a preconception of guilt.
Courts work very hard to avoid a preconception of guilt or innocence among the jurors.

[webmaster]

It’s really pathetic, but I have observed that the PM is the perfect chosen vehicle for the cowards, bullies, and misfits who haven’t the courage to post their ideas or grievances on an open forum…..sick and creepy.Sorry that you've received those PMs Sue. While I receive notifications of every forum post and new member I don't get notified of PM activity and can't see them unless I tunnel down into the database, which I rarely do. PMs are supposed to be private and I don't get involved unless someone points out a problem.

Although Boatbottom952/Fritoman/subaruliving has been heavily restricted already I've now taken additional steps to keep them out. You shouldn't get any more PMs like those but please let me know if you do.

[fatlazyless]

With motorcycles drivers supposedly TWENTY EIGHT times more likely to get killed than a car driver, what really makes the difference for the motorcyclist is their level of perfomance and their alertness. Some motorcyclists go their whole life without a crash, while others have a crash early on.

One thing for sure is that a large pickup truck offers way more protection than a 500-lb motorcycle. Motorcycles just look really cool & dynamic even when standing still ..... they are like a work of art, driving machine that hooks people onto riding them.

Once you is dead ..... that's all there is .... the end. Is riding a motorcycle worth the high risk? ...... :eek2:

If the Fallen-7 had been riding in five different Subaru's and not on Harley Davidson's ....... there would have been much much less death for evryone. So's maybe you Harley riders want to go trade in that Harley and go get yo-self a Subaru!

[John Mercier]

Depends.
When I rode, that was all I could afford - an inexpensive used motorcycle that got what at that time was great gas mileage.

I had to go from Belmont to my job in Holderness, so motorized was the only option.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Sorry that you've received those PMs Sue. While I receive notifications of every forum post and new member I don't get notified of PM activity and can't see them unless I tunnel down into the database, which I rarely do. PMs are supposed to be private and I don't get involved unless someone points out a problem.

Although Boatbottom952/Fritoman/subaruliving has been heavily restricted already I've now taken additional steps to keep them out. You shouldn't get any more PMs like those but please let me know if you do.

Thanks on behalf of all who find this creepy behavior annoying. However, I am a big girl and can take it, so don’t go to extreme measures for me….I was just pointing out the creepiness of supposed adults who are immature cowards. From now on, they should simply be ignored, and that’s my plan.

[fatlazyless]

Depends.
When I rode, that was all I could afford - an inexpensive used motorcycle that got what at that time was great gas mileage.

Lemme guess here ..... it had to be a 1966 Honda-95 Classic what with its cost value/mile coefficient .... www.smartcycleguide.com/motorcycles-for-sale/1966-honda-50 ..... plus you meet the nicest people on a Honda! ... :eek:

[John Mercier]

Not quite. By the time I was driving, those would have been nearly a classic.

I bought cheap CM400 that was about seven years old. No one ''aspired'' to be seen on one. I was getting in the low 40s for mpg.

[Poor Richard]

Every single charge the state brought was dropped. That on its own says plenty about the integrity of the state's evidence.

Seems plenty of folks in general still want to hang this young man and choose to completely ignore the fact that the motorcyclists have just as much responsibility here, being over the legal BAC limit and all.

There is a group of people involved who aren't taking a long hard look at their own actions and the young man is the only one being persecuted as a result.

I think it's a horrible situation all around. Hopefully someone somewhere is learning or has learned something from all this.

[lagoon]

With motorcycles drivers supposedly TWENTY EIGHT times more likely to get killed than a car driver, what really makes the difference for the motorcyclist is their level of perfomance and their alertness. Some motorcyclists go their whole life without a crash, while others have a crash early on.

One thing for sure is that a large pickup truck offers way more protection than a 500-lb motorcycle. Motorcycles just look really cool & dynamic even when standing still ..... they are like a work of art, driving machine that hooks people onto riding them.

Once you is dead ..... that's all there is .... the end. Is riding a motorcycle worth the high risk? ...... :eek2:

If the Fallen-7 had been riding in five different Subaru's and not on Harley Davidson's ....... there would have been much much less death for evryone. So's maybe you Harley riders want to go trade in that Harley and go get yo-self a Subaru!

Well respectfully I find your post pretty narrow minded. I both drive and ride and I do expand my zone of awareness hugely when riding. That being said this kid was drugged for sure and even if one rider was also "drugged" on drink that was his problem. The truck driver had much more to be responsible for as he was driving a tank versus a bike. It matters little than one or two bikers were also legally over the limit, this kid was totally stoned out and I think his license was also removed before for cause. he is guilty and needs to serve time and never drive again.

[John Mercier]

Stoned?
So you saw the blood test, and even though it was thrown out as being under any limit to cause impairment... you are sure he was stoned?

He also, according to the reconstruction, remained in his lane.

Not to mention he was found not guilty; and doubtful will never drive again in the US as he is being deported.

So I think everyone is being a bit narrow minded.

[FlyingScot]

Well respectfully I find your post pretty narrow minded. I both drive and ride and I do expand my zone of awareness hugely when riding. That being said this kid was drugged for sure and even if one rider was also "drugged" on drink that was his problem. The truck driver had much more to be responsible for as he was driving a tank versus a bike. It matters little than one or two bikers were also legally over the limit, this kid was totally stoned out and I think his license was also removed before for cause. he is guilty and needs to serve time and never drive again.

I'm not sure if you've seen all the articles? It's true the kid's a druggie and has spent much of his life wasted. But blood tests and police statements on field sobriety both say he was sober at the time of collision.

[mowtorman]

People die on boats every year. People fall out, run people over, crash going out to dinner and hit stationary objects. Are boats dangerous or do they require common sense, regular upkeep and respect?

Twenty eight times as deadly as walking the WOW trail at 2 am? It's all relative. The machine is not dangerous. Is it an issue in the live free or die state, no helmets weather or not someone chooses to ride a motorcycle? Are the open air Spyders, trikes and Can Ams any safer?

I'm not sure what the point is other than a personal choice would be to not ride a Harley or any other brand of motorcycle. Does it relate to the ride and crash?

Is choice always right or wrong?

[garysanfran]

In the beginning, the media screwed-up this story big time. They reported the truck driver's background before learning the facts of toxicology testing on the motorcyclists. By then public opinion became mob rule and has remained that way. The media is always very slow to report itself wrong.

[TiltonBB]

It matters little than one or two bikers were also legally over the limit, this kid was totally stoned out and I think his license was also removed before for cause. he is guilty and needs to serve time and never drive again.

Misinformation.

The facts stated in court do not support the conclusion of impairment. His license was not suspended or "removed" at the time of the accident.

[ApS]

I remember thinking the truck driver was guilty as hell and would never be free again during his life.
He even said he caused the crash!

Coös County Police were too slow to read his Miranda Rights? :rolleye2:

The media reported things the jury was not allowed to hear because those historical items in this guy's life could not be admitted in the court-of-law. It could only be disclosed by the media, in the court-of-public-opinion.
Worse, eligible Coös County voters who'd read of those instances would be excluded from the jury! :eek: That leaves a very ignorant jury in a tiny jurisdiction with few who hadn't known of this crash that left seven dead bodies.

Now, reading the details of the case, the outcome makes legal sense...But WOW!!!
The defense found a weak link among the bikers, and played it to the hilt. :(

Among my library of books--mostly about Nature--I have a volume autographed to me by the author titled, "The Defense Never Rests".

Personally, I'd like very much to analyze an enlarged aerial photograph of the [cleared] roadway scene with the sun directly overhead.

[John Mercier]

A none prejudiced jury is the basis of our system.

He wasn't impaired, and didn't cross the line.
He did admit to being distracted and felt in the emotion of the moment that he had been at fault.

He plead not guilty. And the jury found the facts to be so.

A weak link... you mean impaired and crossed the line?

[fatlazyless]

"Pacella told Western Mass News that this case rested on the experts."

"There was an expert for the defense who said that although Zhukovskyy was just over the centerline, that at the time of the accident, the bike had turned sideways, essentially, when it hit the truck. Therefore, he lost control first and he caused the accident," Pacella explained.

August 9, 2022: https://westernmassnews.com/2022/08/10/legal-expert-explains-whats-come-following-zhukovskyy-not-guilty-verdict/

Am trying to think of something intelligent to say, here? .... :eek2: ..... Maybe that a Subaru is supposedly 28-times less fatal than a Harley Davidson, plus it always has air conditioning and a heater and four tires.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrHxVqpNPdo&t=36s ....... Harley's on the Lake Winnipesaukee ice, Meredith Bay ice fishing derby, Feb 2 2020 ...... think I gotta try this next winter ...... except with in-line roller skates with four roller skate wheels, in-line ..... ha-ha-ha! ..... roller skating on the ice ...... weeeooooo!

[John Mercier]

You should give up the rant about motorcycles - or any brand in particular - as the people riding are keenly aware of the inherent danger.

[ApS]

Misinformation.

The facts stated in court do not support the conclusion of impairment. His license was not suspended or "removed" at the time of the accident.

Besides the fact he took heroin and cocaine that morning, admitted to being responsible for the crash, there was plenty to know. (Even his defense attorneys admitted he was over the yellow line, and then, they found alcohol among the dead bikers).

The next day, I'd like to be that journalist who followed up the jurors' reactions. How would you feel as a juror in this case, returning home and reading the following?

‣ Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles records show that Zhukovskyy’s license had been temporarily suspended shortly after a 2013 arrest in Westfield because he was deemed an “immediate threat.”

‣ The Westfield News reported in 2014 that Zhukovskyy was placed on probation for one year and had his license suspended for 210 days in that case.

‣ The video of his February arrest at a Denny’s restaurant in Baytown [TX] showed a jittery man hopped up on something that wouldn’t allow him to stand still. Officers responded to the restaurant for a complaint about a customer who was “talking to himself and acting strange” and banging on the counter, the Boston Herald reported.

‣ Zhukovskyy’s license had been suspended for several years after a drunk driving incident in Westfield, MassLive reported.

‣ And on June 3, five months after his February arrest in Baytown, he rolled an 18-wheeler in the same area, the Boston Herald reported.

That wreck occurred just two weeks before Zhukovskyy plowed into the motorcycle club in New England.

He's so unlucky. :rolleye1:

[Mr. V]

He's so unlucky.

Just the opposite, actually: he beat the rap.

[TiltonBB]

That wreck occurred just two weeks before Zhukovskyy plowed into the motorcycle club in New England.

He's so unlucky. :rolleye1:

Did he plow into them, or did they plow into him? The reconstruction shows he was on his side of the center line.

His driving history, while filled with problems, did not come into consideration in the not guilty finding.

Too many motorcycle operators hug the center line or ride side by side. Definitely less safe than riding more to the right and single file.

[ApS]

Just the opposite, actually: he beat the rap.
1) Yes, he did. Criminal-Defense Lawyers can be proud of themselves.

2) However, I followed the same empty car-hauler up a large, but steep hill with diesel pumps at one location and gasoline at the other. Not knowing my way around that location, I followed "them" :rolleye2: at a distance. The pickup truck towing the trailer MADE HUGE TURNS, just like an 18-wheeler. :confused:

3) I recall the defendant took a gentle right turn with a slight rise in the roadway before "intersecting" with the motorcycles. In my mind's eye, I can see the trailer whip-sawing across the victims' path, and needing to correct for the whip-saw. :eek:

(Boating analogy: Think of kids riding in a towed tube after a sharp turn).

Especially with excessive speed, that would put the "inebriated" lead-motorcyclist under the left wheel of the subject's truck. (!)

And make the confession of guilt very real! 😱

IF the NH Highway Patrol didn't take the identical path in their reconstruction (if a reconstruction was done at all)...well..shame on them--and the Coös County prosecuting attorneys.

4) Another observation on the same afternoon, do bikers traveling in groups knowingly put the noisiest motorcycle in the back of the group? (Not kidding). :o

[ApS]

https://www.wmur.com/article/volodymyr-zhukovskyy-immigration-deportation-order/42816116

[Mr. V]

https://www.wmur.com/article/volodymyr-zhukovskyy-immigration-deportation-order/42816116

Gosh, I'd have thought he'd have returned already to take up arms to defend his homeland.

[TiltonBB]

From the Boston Herald:

A judge has ordered the deportation of a commercial truck driver from Ukraine who was taken into custody by immigration authorities last year shortly after he was acquitted of causing the deaths of seven motorcyclists in New Hampshire.

Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, 27, of West Springfield, Mass., had a series of immigration hearings after he was acquitted in August on seven counts of manslaughter, seven counts of negligent homicide and one count of reckless conduct. The charges stemmed from a June 21, 2019, crash in Randolph, N.H., that killed seven members of the Jarheads Motorcycle Club, an organization of Marine Corps veterans and their spouses.

Zhukovskyy’s attorney has asked for asylum for his client, who came to the U.S. when he was 10 years old. His lawyers say he has permanent residency status. However, on Feb. 3, the immigration judge ordered Zhukovskyy’s removal, according to the Executive Office for Immigration Review.

[ishoot308]

The reason for the deportation is not related to the accident though I am sure it highlighted his prior criminal history. He is now seeking asylum...Why in God's name would we ever offer asylum to someone with this kind of prior criminal record????... From WMUR...

"While Zhukovskyy was found not guilty on all counts in the Randolph crash case, officials previously told WMUR he has multiple prior convictions in other cases, including possession of cocaine and heroin, possession of drug paraphernalia, driving under suspension, furnishing false information to an officer and larceny."

Dan

[Major]

We are concerned about the deportation of one criminal, while we are willingly allowing millions of illegals to enter our country, many of which are criminals. At this point, given our lack of enforcing immigration laws, who cares about this one dirt bag. Let him stay in the U.S. and enjoy the American dream. To me he's as much deserving as the other illegals.

[ApS]

Did he plow into them, or did they plow into him? The reconstruction shows he was on his side of the center line.

His driving history, while filled with problems, did not come into consideration in the not guilty finding.

Too many motorcycle operators hug the center line or ride side by side. Definitely less safe than riding more to the right and single file.

Zhukovskyy's truck could be shown to have been "on his side of the center line", but where was the trailer? In an over-reaction, the trailer had whip-sawed across the center line and carried away the stream of bikers. (Even empty, these car-carrier trailers are long and heavy).

As for violations, the Bay State perpetrator over at Long Lake had a traffic record of 20 convictions before he ran over two stargazing boaters. :eek2:

How about this week's driver with 164 traffic violations (https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article272549360.html), before he killed a teen on her way to school? How could he drive down public streets without a driver's license--for thirty years? :eek:

We should demand more of our Justice system: Judges should be held to account.

I'm automatically excused from jury duty--that should be changed, too.

[John Mercier]

The judge didn't decide innocence... the jury did.

[FlyingScot]

I'm automatically excused from jury duty--that should be changed, too.

I would not normally pry, but since you brought it up--why?

[winni83]

In my case I am excused due to age (70 or over). APS may have other disqualifying factors 😎

[ApS]

The judge didn't decide innocence... the jury did.

The jury receives detailed "instructions" from the judge--who allow themselves a great deal of latitude.

I would not normally pry, but since you brought it up--why?

One can "pry" here:

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/member.php?u=1199

:look:

[John Mercier]

The detailed instructions are to avoid bias.
You're just unhappy with the outcome... something that can be said of at least someone after every decision.

[Biggd]

I can't believe this thread is still drawing attention?

[fatlazyless]

On the same day, Tuesday, August 9, 2022 as the 'not guilty' verdicts were issued, Gov Chris Sununu ....... www.governor.nh.gov/news-and-media/governor-chris-sununu-statement-zhukovskyy-trial ...... issued his opinion on the verdicts.

And, the NH Attorney General made a similar comment.

You know there is no video of the collisons. Is possible for the pickup truck to avoid a collision while the long, heavy trailer crossed the center line because it would swing to the left on a different turning radius than the pickup turning to the right. An unloaded trailer can wander off track if its wheels are not in alignment or have low air pressure on one side, or something.

[ApS]

I can't believe this thread is still drawing attention?

The detailed instructions are to avoid bias.
You're just unhappy with the outcome... something that can be said of at least someone after every decision.
Quoting Governor Sununu on the verdict:

“The Fallen Seven did not receive justice today, and that is an absolute tragedy,” said Governor Chris Sununu. 'I share in the shock, outrage, and anger that so many have expressed in the three years since the seven members of the Jarheads Motorcycle Club were taken from us. My heart goes out to their families, friends, and loved ones on this especially dark day.' ”

:fire:

[John Mercier]

Being the Governor does not make his opinion any more valid.

The only opinion that matters is the members of the jury.

[fatlazyless]

Being the Governor does not make his opinion any more valid.

The only opinion that matters is the members of the jury.

Yes, but his same day as the verdict, Aug 9, 2022 press release statement ... www.governor.nh.gov/news-and-media/governor-chris-sununu-statement-zhukovskyy-trial has a very happening photo of the Mt Washington-6288' summit sign that sort of makes it seem like its an opinion coming from way high up in the sky, or something.

This Mt Washington summit sign is located about seven miles north from the location of the deadly and tragic collision, way down below on Rt 2 in Randolph NH.

[Mr. V]

That may have been a politically expedient thing for the governor to say but it concerns me that he may think his opinion as governor should be given more weight than the decision of the jury.

It certainly is bad form for the head of the state's executive branch to flame the jury who were part of the judicial branch.

Hello separation of powers...

[TiltonBB]

Man acquitted in New Hampshire motorcycle crash that killed 7 set to appear at hearing about driver's license.

"Outcome of the trial aside, past history and very recent past history would say to me that this guy doesn't doesn't need to be on the road. The roads are dangerous enough as it is," said Manny Ribeiro, former president of the Jarheads Motorcycle Club

https://www.wmur.com/article/volodymyr-zhukovskyy-new-hampshire-drivers-license/46116686

[LIforrelaxin]

Man acquitted in New Hampshire motorcycle crash that killed 7 set to appear at hearing about driver's license.

"Outcome of the trial aside, past history and very recent past history would say to me that this guy doesn't doesn't need to be on the road. The roads are dangerous enough as it is," said Manny Ribeiro, former president of the Jarheads Motorcycle Club

https://www.wmur.com/article/volodymyr-zhukovskyy-new-hampshire-drivers-license/46116686

Well isn't this the case that just keeps going on and on and on.......I think the question that should first be asked, is does he have a NH Driver's license? If he does great wonderful, and the outcome of this could be enforceable by the court. However if he driver's license is from out of state, and the case is built upon circumstantial evidence, it will be hard to request another state revoke his license, based on a NH court ruling after the same court system ruled him not to be at fault for the accident....

Anyways just my 2 cents, this seems to be very politically motivated.... ICE has already declared that he is to be deported.... which will happen eventually.... but what the hell its just tax payers money getting wasted... so who care right/

[fatlazyless]

Last I heard is that 27-year old Volodymyr Zhukovskyy is held in a prison, somewhere in Pennsylvania. So, he's been incarcerated since that Friday morning, June 21, 2019, when the Randolph NH collision with seven deaths occurred.

He was acquitted on February 9, 2023 in a Concord NH court.

Is unknown if eventually he gets deported to Ukraine.

He had been living in Springfield, Massachusetts since age-10

As a 27-year old he would quickly get conscripted into the Ukraine military to fight the Russian invaders.

His name Volodymyr Zhukovskyy is somewhat similar to Volodymyr Zelenskyy, age 45, President of Ukraine.

Whether he speaks Ukraine or knows only American language, at age-27 Volodymyr Zhukovskyy will very quickly get placed into the Ukraine military as soon as he arrives to Ukraine, is a safe bet.

[fatlazyless]

Back in the WMUR news, Jan 5, 2024: www.wmur.com/article/hearing-delayed-as-zhukovskyy-seeks-to-restore-driving-privileges/46299295

His attorney makes what seems like a strong argument: "Mr Zhukovskyy was, in fact, in his lane, and that the lead motorcycle came across the center lane at him, and his reaction was to jam on his brakes, a natural reaction in a situation such as that,"

[TiltonBB]

Zhukovskyy had admitted having taken a mixture of heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl at 8 a.m. on the day of the fatal crash.

Sure, get him back on the road. What could possibly go wrong?

Zhukovskyy is also awaiting deportation to his native country Ukraine. But deportations to that country have been suspended because of the armed conflict there with Russia, which ICE officials say prevents them from safely returning individuals to the country.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news/state/zhukovskyy-appeals-to-state-to-restore-nh-license/article_a3e585a0-da44-11e9-a653-479567a9f29c.html

[fatlazyless]

Zhukovskyy had admitted having taken a mixture of heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl at 8 a.m. on the day of the fatal crash.

Sure, get him back on the road. What could possibly go wrong?

State of New Hampshire v. Volodymyr Zhukovskyy ...... www.courts.nh.gov/media/requested-cases/criminal/state-new-hampshire-v-volodymyr-zhukovskyy ..... (CASE CLOSED)

August 9, 2022, 3-pm, at the court house in Lancaster N.H., " It took the jury about two hours to reach a verdict on the 15 charges Volodymyr Zhukovskyy faced."

"Zhukovskyy faced seven counts of manslaughter and seven counts of negligent homicide, in addition to a charge of reckless conduct. He was found not guilty on all charges."

www.wmur.com/article/randolph-nh-motorcycle-crash-verdict/40850159

Was he driving a large, old Ford pick-up truck with four wheels with Massachusetts plates and towing a goose neck trailer capable to carry three vehicles that was empty at the time of the collision on June 21, 2019 in Randolph NH on Route 2, heading west or what?

There is no video that shows the collision happening between the pick-up truck and the motorcycles. Motorcycles are supposedly 28-times more likely to be involved in a deadly crash .... www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety ..... than an automobile which makes motorcycles a heck of a lot more dangerous for their driver and rider than for people in a car or truck.

[Mr. V]

Zhukovskyy is also awaiting deportation to his native country Ukraine. But deportations to that country have been suspended because of the armed conflict there with Russia, which ICE officials say prevents them from safely returning individuals to the country.

What if instead of being yet another American junky he wanted to return to Ukraine to fight the Russians?

Were he to offer to "take the risks:" would they let him go, e.g. fly him to Poland and let him figure out the rest of it?

[ApS]

Back in the WMUR news, Jan 5, 2024: www.wmur.com/article/hearing-delayed-as-zhukovskyy-seeks-to-restore-driving-privileges/46299295

His attorney makes what seems like a strong argument: "Mr Zhukovskyy was, in fact, in his lane, and that the lead motorcycle came across the center lane at him, and his reaction was to jam on his brakes, a natural reaction in a situation such as that,"

I haven't made a visit to the crash/crime scene, but recent pictures show the roadway curving around a hillside.

I think what happened was Zhukovskyy entered the curve driving too fast. (While towing a long and heavy--but empty--trailer behind him).

The curve is on a descending hillside, so the speeding trailer slid out sideways into the opposite lane. :( Zhukovskyy slowed, which skidded the trailer into an even worse angle for the victims! :eek:

In attempting to recover the swinging trailer, Zhukovskyy steered right so his (combined) inertia caused his truck to climb the steep hillside to a hard stop.

Zhukovskyy admitted going back to his truck to recover an unnamed "something". The truck caught fire and Zhukovskyy promptly admitted to witnesses that the crash was his fault.

:eek2:

Conclusion:

The collision with the lead motorcycle was a "dynamic" one: Which means, the truck's left front tire could very well have been "on the line", but the truck (with trailer still attached) steered itself steeply uphill and totally off the road.

IMHO...

The Boston Herald has today's demand, made by Zhukovskyy s lawyer, that Zhukovskyy's driving privileges be restored in New Hampshire.

:confused:

[fatlazyless]

Betcha the judge says he loses his driving license in NH, be it a CDL or car license, for seven years with his five years since June 21, 2019 subtracted as time incarcerated so it will be for two more years.

Without a NH driving license, one can realistically pedal a bicycle, ride an e-bike, walk, take a taxi, get a ride with a friend or family, hitch-hike or use the local bus as a way to get around.

[ApS]

I can't believe this thread is still drawing attention?

It isn't every day a truck driver gets up at 8:00-AM, takes cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, and drives with a suspended CDL, takes an afternoon spin on a NH back road, and neglectfully kills seven motorcyclists.

Speaking remotely from a Pennsylvania prison, Zhukovskyy says he's been "clean" for five years. :rolleye1:

Fortunately, a NH hearing administrative judge has much more discretion than a judge in NH's Criminal Courts. (Proof of guilt has a much lower threshold here).

FLL's guess of only two years before granting a new-to-Zhukovskyy NH drivers license is unlikely.

Why doesn't Zhukovskyy apply for a drivers license from Connecticut, Pennsylvania or his home state of Massachusetts?

:rolleye2:

BTW:
Zhukovskyy's lawyer asked for "A Moment of Silence" in memory of the fallen motorcyclists, whereupon the crash survivors walked out of the hearing.

Did the lawyer not know in advance the results of his action? Lawyers are supposed to!

[fatlazyless]

Riding/driving a motorcycle is supposedly 28-times ..... www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorcycle_safety ..... more deadly than driving a car, and Zhukovskyy's vehicle was a large pick-up truck towing a large trailer capable to hold three cars which requires him to have a commercial driver's license.

It's not a perfect world out there driving New Hampshire ..... collisions and accidents happen due to speeding, the weather, the road conditions, texting, drinking, doing drugs, being tired and sleepy and simply not paying enough attention to DRIVING.

There is no video of this collision between the pick-up truck and the five motorcycles. All that separates the two while driving US Route 2 in Randolph NH on June 21, 2019 in opposite directions was the center white line that's about six inches wide which is not very much.

Stuff happens ...... which is the safer vehicle for their driver and occupants, a large pick-up truck or a large motorcycle for surviving a head-on collision?

[TiltonBB]

He did have a Massachusetts CDL. You can only hold a license in one state. New Hampshire can suspend his "Right to operate" in the state but action on his license is up to Massachusetts.

Many states will take action on a license when an incident occurs in another state. Because of many prior charges in other states license suspension or revocation should have happened in Massachusetts prior to the Randolph, NH accident. Given his history he may have continued to drive regardless of any suspension.

The head of the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles, Erin Deveny, resigned after learning Zhukovskyy's license should have been suspended following the OUI charge in Connecticut.

[KPW]

It isn't every day a truck driver gets up at 8:00-AM, takes cocaine, heroin, fentanyl, and drives with a suspended CDL, takes an afternoon spin on a NH back road, and neglectfully kills seven motorcyclists.

Speaking remotely from a Pennsylvania prison, Zhukovskyy says he's been "clean" for five years. :rolleye1:

Fortunately, a NH hearing administrative judge has much more discretion than a judge in NH's Criminal Courts. (Proof of guilt has a much lower threshold here).

FLL's guess of only two years before granting a new-to-Zhukovskyy NH drivers license is unlikely.

Why doesn't Zhukovskyy apply for a drivers license from Connecticut, Pennsylvania or his home state of Massachusetts?

:rolleye2:

BTW:
Zhukovskyy's lawyer asked for "A Moment of Silence" in memory of the fallen motorcyclists, whereupon the crash survivors walked out of the hearing.

Did the lawyer not know in advance the results of his action? Lawyers are supposed to!

He had no traceable amounts of anything in his system. It was proven that the lead biker was way over the BUI limit. He drifted over the line and hit the truck. End of story.

[ApS]

He did have a Massachusetts CDL. You can only hold a license in one state. New Hampshire can suspend his "Right to operate" in the state but action on his license is up to Massachusetts.

Many states will take action on a license when an incident occurs in another state. Because of many prior charges in other states license suspension or revocation should have happened in Massachusetts prior to the Randolph, NH accident. Given his history he may have continued to drive regardless of any suspension.

The head of the Massachusetts Registry of Motor Vehicles, Erin Deveny, resigned after learning Zhukovskyy's license should have been suspended following the OUI charge in Connecticut.

Zhukovskyy's OUI could be found among five years of boxes stored by Massachusetts RMV containing OUIs from other states of which Massachusetts RMV took no action.

(Some 53 bins, containing tens of thousands of notifications, have been discovered, and state officials were continuing to search through them).
--New York Times

[TiltonBB]

From the Boston Herald:

The driving privileges of a man acquitted of barreling through a line of bikers in a multiple-fatal crash in New Hampshire in 2019 will be suspended for the full seven years allowed by law, a judge ruled.

Volodymyr Zhukovskyy, 28, was found not gulty in 2022 of all charges alleging that his reckless behavior on June 21, 2019, in Randolph, N.H., led to the deaths of seven members of the Jarheads Motorcycle Club, which is made up of Marine Corps veterans and their spouses.

The effective date of his seven-year driving suspension is June 24, 2019. While his license has been suspended since that time, the ruling issued today by Administrative Law Judge Ryan N. McFarland of the New Hampshire Bureau of Hearings will keep Zhukovskyy off the road for nearly two more years.

McFarland’s order details the known facts and circumstances surrounding the crash and then both the mitigating and aggravating factors of those facts.

McFarland notes aggravating factors: That there were “warning signs for (Zhukovskyy) to recognize that his driving behavior was not reasonable or safe”; that Zhukovskyy “consumed a large amount of drugs that morning” and used heroin and cocaine two to three times daily at the time; that Zhukovskyy should know to exercise more care than he did when opertaing a 62-foot long vehicle; and that the crash was “not an isolated incident” as Zhukovskyy has admitted to previously flipping a trick in Texas and was using drugs at that time, too.

WMUR Story:
https://www.wmur.com/article/volodymyr-zhukovskyy-driving-privileges-decision/61560184

[ishoot308]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trucking-company-owner-pleads-guilty-202359091.html

Dan

[ApS]

While I think my analysis of the crash is correct (at the site where Zhukovskyy admitted guilt), I'm thinking of visiting the site and taking pictures. :eek2:

Cancel the above. The season demands I start preparing this cottage for winter. It's time to follow the hummingbirds south. ;)

Maybe next summer? :confused:
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[TiltonBB]

The owner of the trucking company that was involved in the crash was sentenced to two months in prison.

From the Laconia Sun:

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news/local/trucking-company-owner-sentenced-in-randolph-crash/article_9497d828-b67b-11ef-9752-9bfa32fa46dc.html

[fatlazyless]

Dec 10, WMUR ..... www.wmur.com/article/volodymyr-zhukovskyy-petition-nh-drivers-license/63146048 .....

"Hearing held regarding Volodymyr Zhukovskyy's petition to reinstate his NH driver's license"

"No decision from the judge was made Tuesday."

My guess is his NH driver's license will continue to be denied for another two years until the seven year limit has run out.

[TiltonBB]

HARTFORD, Conn. — A commercial truck driver who was acquitted in the 2019 deaths of seven motorcyclists in New Hampshire pleaded guilty and was sentenced Monday April 14 for driving under the influence in Connecticut a month before the deadly crash — an offense that should have resulted in his license being revoked.

Volodymyr Zhukovskyy appeared in Hartford Superior Court and entered an Alford plea, which means he did not admit guilt but acknowledged the state had enough evidence to win a conviction at trial. The plea results in a conviction, and he was sentenced to 18 months of probation.

“He clearly understands the significance of this,” Zhukovskyy’s lawyer, John O’Brien, said during the brief court proceeding.

[Tofu]

HARTFORD, Conn. — A commercial truck driver who was acquitted in the 2019 deaths of seven motorcyclists in New Hampshire pleaded guilty and was sentenced Monday April 14 for driving under the influence in Connecticut a month before the deadly crash — an offense that should have resulted in his license being revoked.

Volodymyr Zhukovskyy appeared in Hartford Superior Court and entered an Alford plea, which means he did not admit guilt but acknowledged the state had enough evidence to win a conviction at trial. The plea results in a conviction, and he was sentenced to 18 months of probation.

“He clearly understands the significance of this,” Zhukovskyy’s lawyer, John O’Brien, said during the brief court proceeding.


Conn.... Need not say another word. All you have to say is " CONN "...