Hot Tip.........Big Boat......Coming Soon

[TiltonBB]

This is kind of a teaser but it is all that can be said for now!

There is a new big privately owned boat coming to the lake. It is a little bigger, by a few feet, than the last big privately owned boat that was on the lake.

It is on the way now and will be in the water within the next 4 weeks. It is impressive!

That is all! Stay tuned!

[Garcia]

I’m intrigued. What is the boat it will exceed in length? My recollection is a 50’ Bluewater, can’t remember it’s name.

[WeirsBeachBoater]

I believe Manitou The Blue Water coastal cruiser is 51'. I had the opportunity to run that one time so that the usual Captain could enjoy an onboard party and have a cocktail or two. The other BIG boat left the lake a few years back that was a 53' Carver. So I am guessin the new BIG ONE will be greater than 53'.

[Dave R]

"Bigger" in displacement too or just length?

[WJT2]

So back in the day, as my kids like to say, does anyone remember the HOTAI or HOTI (spelling may be wrong) (pronounced hoe-tie)? She was a privately owned Chris Craft Connie and was largest privately owned cruiser on Lake during sixt's and early seventies. She was slipped at Fays Boat Yard. Beautiful cruiser don't know where she went but Tom Alley who worked at Fay's had family connection to this boat. She was awesome!

[iw8surf]

ugh, but the huge wakes this outrageous boat is going to make! :laugh:

[ishoot308]

This is kind of a teaser but it is all that can be said for now!

There is a new big privately owned boat coming to the lake. It is a little bigger, by a few feet, than the last big privately owned boat that was on the lake.

It is on the way now and will be in the water within the next 4 weeks. It is impressive!

That is all! Stay tuned!

Must be the 58' Gallien with a 16' beam and 17' tall?? 64' overall??...owner of MB Tractor??...

What do I win??

So much for keeping secrets huh??.....

Dan

[TiltonBB]

Nothing. You got the length wrong and you spelled Galeon wrong.

Sorry, there is no second prize!

[fatlazyless]

Who knows ..... maybe is this?

www.galeon.pl/en/model/640-fly-2/

Whatever ...... hey there buddy ......power it on down, past Fl-3, and power up some big wakes ...... good fun swimming with a foam noodle belt and stand up paddle boards .... plus, is nice to watch a big fancy-dancy yacht like that, as it cruises on bye ... someone else is paying ...

Shallow water and rocks is shallow water and rocks ..... and the big boats like to keep their distance from shallow water and rocks.

Galeon has been making boats since about 1980 in Poland, close to Gdansk ..... on the Baltic Sea.

Could be a happening boat for running a weekly zumba class ....... zumba on the Galeon!

This Galeon boat is close to the same length as the barge 'The Dive' and probably 100-times more sea worthy.

[WinnisquamZ]

Why?


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[webmaster]

This 2000 thread from our old forum has some pictures of the 53' Carver:

https://www.winnipesaukeeforum.com/index.cgi?noframes;read=14334

[Biggd]

Why?


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[joey2665]

Yes he can but I just don't see the attraction to have such a large boat on the lake but different strokes for different folks

[Biggd]

Yes he can but I just don't see the attraction to have such a large boat on the lake but different strokes for different folksI agree, just as having a 1200HP offshore race boat on a lake that has a 45 mph speed limit, but when you have that much money you have to spend it on something. Sometimes it's just to show people how successful you've become. :confused:

[ishoot308]

Nothing. You got the length wrong and you spelled Galeon wrong.

Sorry, there is no second prize!

No wonder no images came up when I googled "Gallien"!:D

What is the correct overall length if not 64'??

[MAXUM]

Does it come complete with Capt. Jack Sparrow at the helm?

[Dave R]

Who knows ..... maybe is this?

www.galeon.pl/en/model/640-fly-2/

Whatever ...... hey there buddy ......power it on down, past Fl-3, and power up some big wakes ...... good fun swimming with a foam noodle belt and stand up paddle boards .... plus, is nice to watch a big fancy-dancy yacht like that, as it cruises on bye ... someone else is paying ...

Shallow water and rocks is shallow water and rocks ..... and the big boats like to keep their distance from shallow water and rocks.

Galeon has been making boats since about 1980 in Poland, close to Gdansk ..... on the Baltic Sea.

Could be a happening boat for running a weekly zumba class ....... zumba on the Galeon!

This Galeon boat is close to the same length as the barge 'The Dive' and probably 100-times more sea worthy.


I toured a smaller version of that at the boat show. Neat features, but not my cup of tea. I'm more partial to traditional lines. That said, I'd love one of these: https://setsail.com/category/fpb-78/

[Biggd]

OK, let's guess cost. I say 1.5 Million.

[Dave R]

OK, let's guess cost. I say 1.5 Million. The 47 foot version was 1 million at the show, I'd guess the 64 footer would be more than double that. There's a HUGE difference between a 47 and 64 foot boat. Propulsion cost increases alone would be staggering.

[Biggd]

The 47 foot version was 1 million at the show, I'd guess the 64 footer would be more than double that. There's a HUGE difference between a 47 and 64 foot boat. Propulsion cost increases alone would be staggering.I have a friend of mine that bought a 59' boat last year built in France and he paid 1.5 million, not sure of the make. So ya, somewhere between 1.5 and 2 sounds about right.

[Biggd]

I have a friend of mine that bought a 59' boat last year built in France and he paid 1.5 million, not sure of the make. So ya, somewhere between 1.5 and 2 sounds about right.
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[fatlazyless]

A small boat like an 11' aluminum jon boat, purchased for $350 with two oars included from craigslist gives you a feeling for being close to the water ..... that you just don't get with a big boat like that!

[Biggd]

A small boat like an 11' aluminum jon boat, purchased for $350 with two oars included from craigslist gives you a feeling for being close to the water ..... that you just don't get with a big boat like that!So doesn't a noodle.

[fatlazyless]

Even on a sunny, warm day, 36-degree water is pretty danged cold for using a swim noodle, but rowing a small 11' jon boat is totally doable in 36-degree water ..... plus you get to row it and go fishing. Sitting on the middle seat and using oars makes a small row boat very stable in wakes and waves up to about 2 1/2' high.

About the only thing you get from boating on a 64' yacht ..... is to get fat and drunk!

[TiltonBB]

About the only thing you get from boating on a 64' yacht ..... is to get fat and drunk!

That sounds about right!

Are there any negatives?

[TiltonBB]

No wonder no images came up when I googled "Gallien"!:D

What is the correct overall length if not 64'??

56 Feet

It has made it as far as New Jersey as of today. Headed to Portsmouth on the water then being trucked to the lake.

Massive undertaking! Bridges, wires, tree branches. Over height, over width, over length and a weight of about 55,000 pounds. Plenty to deal with.

It's about 7,000 pounds more than the 53 Carver was but it cannot be broken down for height like the 53. When the 53 was shipped to Rhode Island the bridge left on a different truck than the boat itself.

[kawishiwi]

So...this must be primarily a live aboard?
Wonder how many hours will be put on the engines each year. I am guessing that after running around a few times in the new toy that they end up logging around 15 hrs seasonally. Maybe 1 lap around the broads each nice weekend?

[TiltonBB]

So...this must be primarily a live aboard?
Wonder how many hours will be put on the engines each year. I am guessing that after running around a few times in the new toy that they end up logging around 15 hrs seasonally. Maybe 1 lap around the broads each nice weekend?

No. The owner has a large home on Governor's Island. I doubt anyone will ever spend a night on it.

[gillygirl]

No. The owner has a large home on Governor's Island. I doubt anyone will ever spend a night on it.



I’ll volunteer to spend a night, or many nights, on it! [emoji6]


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[ApS]

56 Feet
It has made it as far as New Jersey as of today. Headed to Portsmouth on the water then being trucked to the lake.
Massive undertaking! Bridges, wires, tree branches. Over height, over width, over length and a weight of about 55,000 pounds. Plenty to deal with. It's about 7,000 pounds more than the 53 Carver was but it cannot be broken down for height like the 53. When the 53 was shipped to Rhode Island the bridge left on a different truck than the boat itself.Fifty-five thousand pounds, and the lake is already high! :eek:

[Descant]

We used to use our cruiser as a "guest house". People loved the idea of sleeping on the boat. We downsized. Now people want to sleep on the boat because it has a/c and the camp does not.
The only way to go to Wolfeboro for lunch on weekends is to have the captain drop people off and float in the bay until pick up time. No captain, so that hasn't worked well so far. PM me if you want to be the captain. We'll bring you take out. Great for Welch Island resident who wants to walk to work. EOE M/F non-smoke.

[fatlazyless]

Coming from the Galeon factory in Gdansk, Poland to New Jersey, did it travel on its' own as a boat crossing the ocean, or as cargo in a big freighter ship?

Is not all that unusual for a 33' sailboat with a keel to make the ocean crossing powered by sail.

8 1/2' is the standard max width for a truck trailer, on the U.S. roads, and 8' is the width for the semi-tractor pulling the trailer.

Will there be a regularly scheduled zumba class on the bow area, every week?

Maybe it could be named the 'ZUMBA' .... with just five letters, not a bad name for a big yacht .... can go buy some big letters at Hobby Lobby in Tilton for short money.

[ApS]

Coming from the Galeon factory in Gdansk, Poland to New Jersey, did it travel on its' own as a boat crossing the ocean, or as cargo in a big freighter ship? Is not all that unusual for a 33' sailboat with a keel to make the ocean crossing powered by sail. 8 1/2' is the standard max width for a truck trailer, on the U.S. roads, and 8' is the width for the semi-tractor pulling the trailer. Will there be a regularly scheduled zumba class on the bow area, every week? Maybe it could be named the 'ZUMBA' .... with just five letters, not a bad name for a big yacht .... can go buy some big letters at Hobby Lobby in Tilton for short money.
While sailboat deliveries across the Atlantic are not unusual, there are about nine yachts drifting in the Atlantic Ocean—abandoned by their crews after being hit by heavy squalls.

Catamarans and trimarans are more resistant to totally sinking, but all have been written-off by their insurors.

Most rescues were successful, but the boats are still circulating—one found after nine years of sailing with no one aboard! :eek:

http://www.maritimeherald.com/wp-content/uploads/Sailing-yacht-Dove-II-abandoned-300x200.jpg

[TiltonBB]

Fifty-five thousand pounds, and the lake is already high! :eek:
Your agenda is well known and your years of protests have been acknowledged. Instead of waking up every day and thinking of all the changes on the lake that displease you perhaps you could find a small lake with a 1920's feel that will be more to your liking. Life is too short to be as negative as you seem to be.

Or, if you are really serious about your objection to larger boats on the lake, instead of being a keyboard warrior why not take some action? Start at the top!

Get into your Prius with the "Bernie Bros" bumper sticker on it and head over to the Weirs. When the families are boarding the Mount Washington for a day of enjoyment on the lake you could be strutting your stuff on the dock with a sign protesting "over sized boats".

Anything else is just negative noise!

[Biggd]

Here we go, bringing the political crap to a thread again! :rolleye1:

[joey2665]

Your agenda is well known and your years of protests have been acknowledged. Instead of waking up every day and thinking of all the changes on the lake that displease you perhaps you could find a small lake with a 1920's feel that will be more to your liking. Life is too short to be as negative as you seem to be.

Or, if you are really serious about your objection to larger boats on the lake, instead of being a keyboard warrior why not take some action? Start at the top!

Get into your Prius with the "Bernie Bros" bumper sticker on it and head over to the Weirs. When the families are boarding the Mount Washington for a day of enjoyment on the lake you could be strutting your stuff on the dock with a sign protesting "over sized boats".

Anything else is just negative noise!

Awesome response. It's bad enough we have a speed limit :eek:, but now we want to restrict boat size? It is absolutely incredible and just another case of the tail trying to wag the dog

[Biggd]

Awesome response. It's bad enough we have a speed limit :eek:, but now we want to restrict boat size? It is absolutely incredible and just another case of the tail trying to wag the dogTwo different things, speed limit is about safety. I don't think the size of a boat will affect safety on the lake.

Personally I don't care what size boat someone has but I do care about how fast they are going, esp when it's a busy weekend. You can't count on every boater being responsible, careful, and respectful.

[codeman671]

56 Feet

It has made it as far as New Jersey as of today. Headed to Portsmouth on the water then being trucked to the lake.

Massive undertaking! Bridges, wires, tree branches. Over height, over width, over length and a weight of about 55,000 pounds. Plenty to deal with.

It's about 7,000 pounds more than the 53 Carver was but it cannot be broken down for height like the 53. When the 53 was shipped to Rhode Island the bridge left on a different truck than the boat itself.

Which model is it? Galeon makes a few in that overall length range. My kids loved its baby brother at the boat show.

That will be impressive to see that move over the road. I imagine they will have to take it 95 to 101 to 93. I cant imagine trying Route 11!

[joey2665]

Two different things, speed limit is about safety. I don't think the size of a boat will affect safety on the lake.

Personally I don't care what size boat someone has but I do care about how fast they are going, esp when it's a busy weekend. You can't count on every boater being responsible, careful, and respectful.



Going to agree to disagree don’t want to revive this argument. [emoji6]


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[Major]

Going to agree to disagree don’t want to revive this argument. [emoji6]


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We have to be vigilant, though. Before you know it, there will be some other absurd law that does nothing it improve safety, but makes the liberal law makers feel good. We know that the speed limit does not effect safety one bit.

[MAXUM]

True but at the same time some jackass is going to buy a government surplus destroyer and want to put it in the lake.

There does come a point to where the size of a boat for even "the big lake" is a bit silly.

You'd think common sense would prevail here but sometimes it just doesn't. Not that I'm a big fan of new laws and restrictions but I can see one day this kind of thing happening.

[Biggd]

We have to be vigilant, though. Before you know it, there will be some other absurd law that does nothing it improve safety, but makes the liberal law makers feel good. We know that the speed limit does not effect safety one bit.And how do we know this?

[brk-lnt]

And how do we know this?

Because history often repeats itself.

[Garcia]

We have to be vigilant, though. Before you know it, there will be some other absurd law that does nothing it improve safety, but makes the liberal law makers feel good. We know that the speed limit does not effect safety one bit.

Just curious, why do you think the speed limit does not affect safety one bit?

To stay on point with the thread, I just don't see the point of such a big boat on the lake - aside from the bragging rights one gets for having the biggest boat. To each their own...

[Descant]

Bragging rights. There is no safety issue here, and for those who want to rehash speed limits, there is a separate section of the Forum for that.
From a practical point, there are limited places to keep/dock a boat over 44' LOA. Even if you have your own dock that is capable, you won't find docking at most public docks, or in many marinas. Max at MVYC, for example is 44' although the directors can grant an exemption. Many marinas do not have lift capacity. DES and the towns won't let you build a big dock or boathouse anymore. The list goes on. It;'s too bad in a way. I'd rather see the Swallow in one boathouse than 6-8 boathouses/docks filling up the same area, or a valet operation in the same place. (I use valet, so I appreciate its value, but from a lake use/intensity perspective, one big boat is less intrusive.)

[fatlazyless]

Both the Doris E and Sophie C are about 70' long, have the biggest wakes, never catch any forum flak, so's maybe he should follow their lead and name it the Michael B?

And, everywhere it goes, announce their arrival by sounding out that old hit, 'Michael, Row the Boat Ashore, Hallelujah!' ..... or maybe just name it the 'Hallelujah' ..... a nice name for a 64' luxury liner .... there, it goes, the 'Hallelujah' ..... and be pumping out the volume.

[Major]

Through experience and common sense. A person with a fast boat does not indiscriminately go fast in tight or crowded areas but instead looks for wide open spaces. My father owned a 27’ Eliminator that would do about 90. He would open it up routinely but was very safe about it. Most if not all owners of fast boats feel this way. An arbitrary speed limit was a solution looking for a problem that didn’t exist.


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[TiltonBB]

Both the Doris E and Sophie C are about 70' long, have the biggest wakes, never catch any forum flak, so's maybe he should follow their lead and name it the Michael B?

And, everywhere it goes, announce their arrival by sounding out that old hit, 'Michael, Row the Boat Ashore, Hallelujah!' ..... or maybe just name it the 'Hallelujah' ..... a nice name for a 64' luxury liner .... there, it goes, the 'Hallelujah' ..... and be pumping out the volume.

Sure that would be really cool......................If the owner's name was Michael, which it is not. Or, if the boat was 64 feet which it is not. Thank you for the misinformation though! :laugh:

[iw8surf]

Just curious, why do you think the speed limit does not affect safety one bit?

To stay on point with the thread, I just don't see the point of such a big boat on the lake - aside from the bragging rights one gets for having the biggest boat. To each their own...

I personally never thought it does either. Both on the lake or the highway. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't Winnisquam not have a speed limit?

Id like to see the stats on the last 15 years. How many people have died on the lake versus how many died due to "specifically" excessive speed on the lake.

Wonder if this boat owner would let me surf behind that monster!

[Garcia]

Through experience and common sense. A person with a fast boat does not indiscriminately go fast in tight or crowded areas but instead looks for wide open spaces. My father owned a 27’ Eliminator that would do about 90. He would open it up routinely but was very safe about it. Most if not all owners of fast boats feel this way. An arbitrary speed limit was a solution looking for a problem that didn’t exist.


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If only common sense really were common! When I was a teenager and in my early twenties I feel the lake had fewer boats, smaller boats, and not as many boats that went really fast; I had a friend whose boat went 70+ which at the time was really fast. As boats became more and more plentiful - and bigger and faster - a significant number of people without common sense helped create an environment ripe for regulation.

While I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if boats continue to get bigger and bigger I would not be surprised to start seeing a move to impose some type of tax based on length, beam, and/or displacement - or perhaps even limits on size. The logic would be that bigger boats take up a disproportionate share of public spaces; for example, a boat like the one in this thread would take up (my guess) four or more spaces at a public dock and the equivalent number of mooring spaces on a sandbar.

I am not advocating for such a tax or ban, merely pointing out that regulation only comes about when conditions warrant them. Very few politicians take positions that buck the will of their constituents. And, those that do are not in office for too long.

Bottom line to me - if someone wants to bring a boat I feel is way too big for the lake, so be it. Until and unless something changes, that is his/her right to do so. I'll both admire it and roll my eyes when it goes by - and wish I owned such a vessel so I could do the Great Loop!

[Biggd]

Through experience and common sense. A person with a fast boat does not indiscriminately go fast in tight or crowded areas but instead looks for wide open spaces. My father owned a 27’ Eliminator that would do about 90. He would open it up routinely but was very safe about it. Most if not all owners of fast boats feel this way. An arbitrary speed limit was a solution looking for a problem that didn’t exist.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIs this your scientific study? :confused: Is that the same as, most people that have fast cars don't drive fast? :emb::emb::emb::emb::emb:

[ApS]

Your agenda is well known and your years of protests have been acknowledged. Instead of waking up every day and thinking of all the changes on the lake that displease you perhaps you could find a small lake with a 1920's feel that will be more to your liking. Life is too short to be as negative as you seem to be. Or, if you are really serious about your objection to larger boats on the lake, instead of being a keyboard warrior why not take some action? Start at the top!
Get into your Prius with the "Bernie Bros" bumper sticker on it and head over to the Weirs. When the families are boarding the Mount Washington for a day of enjoyment on the lake you could be strutting your stuff on the dock with a sign protesting "over sized boats". Anything else is just negative noise!
While I hope that Bernie is the nominee, :devil: and that everyone else drives a Prius, :rolleye2: your characterization is 'way off. :rolleye1:

My present view is of a small lake that has been "to my liking" since viewing it from the shoreline of Camp Wyanoke; unfortunately, it is attached to the larger lake beyond.

An even earlier view includes rowing near where Melvin Village Marina stands today.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f91/18/11/38/95/fullsc56.jpg

See all the wakes? Me neither. :rolleye2:

We were aghast when our neighbors moored a new 21' Thompson outboard next door. When they invited me (a teenager) to captain their boat to Wolfeboro via The Broads, I did so. Five minutes later, I received the trip's only instruction while in 25-feet of water: "Keep farther away from shore". I thought this was very "telling" of the owner and his new oversized boat. :rolleye1: (At the time, there were no houses facing Rattlesnake Island).

"Visitors" today blast their way around Rattlesnake Island and from Meredith Bay to bulldoze their oversized boats into Winter Harbor. They'll soak docks, erode the shoreline, break mooring lines, and set small boaters' teeth on edge. Some come to Winter Harbor to rattle windows with their unnecessarily loud exhaust noise. (Note: fewer since S/L). Even the best-protected of shoreline properties now have boat lifts and breakwaters. One boatlift has stairs next to it, eliminating the boarding of a "bucking" boat. :eek2:

Bought a raft? Better inspect your ground tackle after every weekend. :rolleye2:

Seen all the floatplanes using the three designated landing areas in Winter Harbor? Me neither. :rolleye2:

Even while in Winter Harbor' "protected waters", I have been thrown out of my boat three times! :eek:

The first time, it was from an overpowered outboard boat—hard chines, in what I thought was a gentle turn—totally my fault. The second time, I was thrown out backwards after slowing for a huge wake from a 28-foot cruiser—towing a water skier. :rolleye1: Lastly, tossed from my 20-foot sailboat—trapped between the wakes of two cruisers entering Winter Harbor. :eek:

As for raising an already high lake with 55,000 pounds of displacement, that was really tongue-in-cheek. :look: Since we know that wind can more greatly affect depth measurements between the distant "corners" of the lake—one boat or all the boats—aren't going to budge the meter much while measuring 600 billion gallons of water.

It's when they get underway that the metric changes. The rate at which a lake "dies" (eutrophication) increases with damaged shorelines.

For an indicator, look for algae.

:rolleye1:

[TiltonBB]

While I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if boats continue to get bigger and bigger I would not be surprised to start seeing a move to impose some type of tax based on length, beam, and/or displacement - or perhaps even limits on size. The logic would be that bigger boats take up a disproportionate share of public spaces; for example, a boat like the one in this thread would take up (my guess) four or more spaces at a public dock and the equivalent number of mooring spaces on a sandbar.

I am not advocating for such a tax or ban, merely pointing out that regulation only comes about when conditions warrant them. Very few politicians take positions that buck the will of their constituents. And, those that do are not in office for too long.

Bottom line to me - if someone wants to bring a boat I feel is way too big for the lake, so be it. Until and unless something changes, that is his/her right to do so. I'll both admire it and roll my eyes when it goes by - and wish I owned such a vessel so I could do the Great Loop!

Well, in effect there already is a tax based on size, heads, Etc when you register the boat.

When you have a bigger boat you know you can't expect 4 (your number) of spaces to open up at the same time in any public dock. So you don't even attempt to do that.

The movement of this boat will also create significant fuel taxes, business income taxes, overtime for police, cable workers, and telephone linemen.

[Dave R]

While I don't think it will happen anytime soon, if boats continue to get bigger and bigger I would not be surprised to start seeing a move to impose some type of tax based on length, beam, and/or displacement

There already is a tax as you describe, it's part of the registration fee.


Bottom line to me - if someone wants to bring a boat I feel is way too big for the lake, so be it. Until and unless something changes, that is his/her right to do so. I'll both admire it and roll my eyes when it goes by - and wish I owned such a vessel so I could do the Great Loop!



That boat is very likely too tall to do the loop. Most loop boats are <15' high to enable them to go anywhere on the loop, but the maximum height to do the loop is 19'1". There's a very similar boat at Champlain Marina that can't cruise off the lake despite the fact that the lake is connected to the ocean at both ends. It's too tall to fit under the bridges. As big as Champlain is,n that kind of limitation would make me nuts, I cannot fathom having a boat like that a Winnipesaukee.

[Biggd]

I would be happy just to be the salesman that sold that boat, nice big commission on that one! :)

[livefreeordie]

Two different things, speed limit is about safety. I don't think the size of a boat will affect safety on the lake.

Personally I don't care what size boat someone has but I do care about how fast they are going, esp when it's a busy weekend. You can't count on every boater being responsible, careful, and respectful.


The speed limit has done nothing to improve safety, came right from MP about the last ten years of having the speed limit.

[Garcia]

There already is a tax as you describe, it's part of the registration fee.





That boat is very likely too tall to do the loop.

Hope it's not too late to get my deposit back:D:D:D

In all seriousness the Great Loop is definitely something that's on my retirement list.

[Garcia]

Well, in effect there already is a tax based on size, heads, Etc when you register the boat.

When you have a bigger boat you know you can't expect 4 (your number) of spaces to open up at the same time in any public dock. So you don't even attempt to do that.

The movement of this boat will also create significant fuel taxes, business income taxes, overtime for police, cable workers, and telephone linemen.

I hear you and understand your logic - but like common sense not always being common, logic and good decisions are not always the foundation for public policy.

[Downeast]

56 Feet

It has made it as far as New Jersey as of today. Headed to Portsmouth on the water then being trucked to the lake.

Massive undertaking! Bridges, wires, tree branches. Over height, over width, over length and a weight of about 55,000 pounds. Plenty to deal with.

It's about 7,000 pounds more than the 53 Carver was but it cannot be broken down for height like the 53. When the 53 was shipped to Rhode Island the bridge left on a different truck than the boat itself.




I remember that 53' bottle. The corrosion on the electrical system in the e/r told a sad story. Back-feeding all over the boat.

I, with the help of others, spent hours cleaning and treating numerous neglected 4/0 DC(-) terminals down there. .. taking back years of low maintenance found in the hard access corners.

Happily all efforts were rewarded with 100% success and all Back-feeding Electrical Gremlins were properly fed and disappeared.

Sorry for the hi-jack, It just made me look back into the archives of being a marine electrician.

[trfour]

I remember that 53' bottle. The corrosion on the electrical system in the e/r told a sad story. Back-feeding all over the boat.

I, with the help of others, spent hours cleaning and treating numerous neglected 4/0 DC(-) terminals down there. .. taking back years of low maintenance found in the hard access corners.

Happily all efforts were rewarded with 100% success and all Back-feeding Electrical Gremlins were properly fed and disappeared.

Sorry for the hi-jack, It just made me look back into the archives of being a marine electrician.

I also do a lot of electrical work and found that using " Never Seize " on any outdoor electrical wiring connections, pool equipment, boats, autos, heavy trucks and equipment, battery clamps and posts, common and or ground blocks for 110-220 AC volts saves many headaches. And I started using this product back when I was about 23 years old, and I'm still truck'in at 74...

[Dave R]

I remember that 53' bottle. The corrosion on the electrical system in the e/r told a sad story. Back-feeding all over the boat.



What do you mean by back-feeding? Design issue or operator error?

[Liquorish]

Any update, has she arrived?

[TiltonBB]

It is currently at Marine Max in Quincy MA getting some punch list items taken care of.

It will probably be on the lake in 7 to 10 days.

(Took notice of APS's concern about raising the lake level so waiting for a little more water to go over the Lakeport Dam) :laugh:

[sum-r breeze]

I figured I'd stick my nose into this just a bit. A boat of that size is probably not going to run at speed even if that speed is 15mph at full throttle. So if its going to be a low speed sight seeing vessel (like the Mount Washington) what's the harm? I welcome any boating enthusiast's idea of what works for them so long as it doesn't negatively impact the general boating experience of the rest of the population. Can't wait to see her!

[Descant]

I figured I'd stick my nose into this just a bit. A boat of that size is probably not going to run at speed even if that speed is 15mph at full throttle. So if its going to be a low speed sight seeing vessel (like the Mount Washington) what's the harm? I welcome any boating enthusiast's idea of what works for them so long as it doesn't negatively impact the general boating experience of the rest of the population. Can't wait to see her!

A magazine review (2016) says top speed 30 knots, cruise at 25 knots.

[Liquorish]

Personally I’m looking forward to seeing it, where will it be docked?

[Hillcountry]

Personally I’m looking forward to seeing it, where will it be docked?

If the owner of this craft is where I think he is, it will be at the western tip of Governor’s Island right near the NWZ passage between Governor’s and Eagle Is.

[Descant]

I'm not sure there's enough space there without dock additions. The 53'' Caver was docked at Silver Sands.

[brk-lnt]

I'm not sure there's enough space there without dock additions. The 53'' Caver was docked at Silver Sands.

53" Carver. Was that the "Mini Summa Humma"?

:D

[gravy boat]

... any celebs or big money. Tilton already said not MB from GI. So..... who? Lots of old money.. and new money up here.

Mitt? Nah, too busy playing politics.
Sandler? Hmmm... good to see him on SNL last night and see a true talent on that show after a long dry spell. But doesn't seem that he likes to call that much attention to himself in the every day.
One of the Patriots ?
How about HHH or his father-in-law?
Damon of Affleck?
A Marriot?
Maybe DickieBfromHB who is FINALLY leaving CA for a better place among family here in Nh?
While it is "privately owned", perhaps intention of operating as a business?
Maybe anybody that flies under the radar and we never find out as registered in a corp name ... Like the jets that fly in and out of LAC.
Oh wait! A Saudi Sheik who bought it for his sons to get away for a weekend a year and who will bring it to the NASWA if can get under the bridge.
Could be just another rich person who will park it and use it 2 times a year when up for vacation.

Going to be great seeing it after all of this suspense. The build up has certainly been propagated by postings on this forum... including mine.

No matter who owns it, I admit it would be nice to have that expendable income and I look forward to seeing it! :liplick:

S

[Hillcountry]

... any celebs or big money. Tilton already said not MB from GI. So..... who? Lots of old money.. and new money up here.

Mitt? Nah, too busy playing politics.
Sandler? Hmmm... good to see him on SNL last night and see a true talent on that show after a long dry spell. But doesn't seem that he likes to call that much attention to himself in the every day.
One of the Patriots ?
How about HHH or his father-in-law?
Damon of Affleck?
A Marriot?
Maybe DickieBfromHB who is FINALLY leaving CA for a better place among family here in Nh?
While it is "privately owned", perhaps intention of operating as a business?
Maybe anybody that flies under the radar and we never find out as registered in a corp name ... Like the jets that fly in and out of LAC.
Oh wait! A Saudi Sheik who bought it for his sons to get away for a weekend a year and who will bring it to the NASWA if can get under the bridge.
Could be just another rich person who will park it and use it 2 times a year when up for vacation.

Going to be great seeing it after all of this suspense. The build up has certainly been propagated by postings on this forum... including mine.

No matter who owns it, I admit it would be nice to have that expendable income and I look forward to seeing it! :liplick:

S

Oh I didn't realize TBB said it was not MB

[ishoot308]

I'm not sure there's enough space there without dock additions. The 53'' Caver was docked at Silver Sands.

His dock is being worked on now to fit the new boat...

[TiltonBB]

Oh I didn't realize TBB said it was not MB

I never said that!

Actually I said this:

No. The owner has a large home on Governor's Island. I doubt anyone will ever spend a night on it.

Probably here about 5/12. Planning still in progress.

[Phantom]

53" Carver. Was that the "Mini Summa Humma"?

:D

No

It was “My Uther Humma”

or something closer to that - it was docked at Silver Sands in days past.

[TiltonBB]

No

It was “My Uther Humma”

or something closer to that - it was docked at Silver Sands in days past.

Close but not exactly!

[brk-lnt]

No

It was “My Uther Humma”

or something closer to that - it was docked at Silver Sands in days past.

My post was a joke on the reference to a 53" (53 inch) boat being the "Mini" version.

[Major]

It’s here!14885


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[joey2665]

Jet skis are going to love the wake from this boat


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[robmac]

WOW,she is beautiful

[Dave R]

Can't help but think of the movie "Secondhand Lions".

[AC2717]

what size and model is that? Trying to match photos from Galeon website

[The Real BigGuy]

Found a picture of a used 2018 sky deck that looks an awful lot like it. A measly $1.19 million[emoji50]


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Sorry, a 560 Skydeck


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[gillygirl]

Where are they launching her?


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[Garcia]

It's a beautiful boat. In my opinion, it's too big for the lake, but if someone else wants it and has the means to buy and run it, so be it. I look forward to seeing it out cruising.

[Pricestavern]

They won't be able to get that into the Back Bay with the water level so high currently.

But seriously, trying to dock a boat that size at one of the town docks during the weekend will be impossible unless they arrive around 7am. It's tough finding a spot with a 20 footer. I suppose they would drop anchor out a bit and run a dingy in.

[Biggd]

It's a beautiful boat. In my opinion, it's too big for the lake, but if someone else wants it and has the means to buy and run it, so be it. I look forward to seeing it out cruising.Big fish in a small pond.

[Dave R]

I suppose they would drop anchor out a bit and run a dingy in.

That's how the rest of the world does it. I'm amazed this rarely happens on Winni. An inflatable dinghy is like a giant fender, you can safely squeeze one in pretty much anywhere...

[Major]

They won't be able to get that into the Back Bay with the water level so high currently.

But seriously, trying to dock a boat that size at one of the town docks during the weekend will be impossible unless they arrive around 7am. It's tough finding a spot with a 20 footer. I suppose they would drop anchor out a bit and run a dingy in.

I highly doubt Marc will have any issues docking it. Anyone who has witnessed him maneuvering and docking is former boat (43' Regal) at the Naswa knows he's a very skilled operator.

[fatlazyless]

My guess is that's at Shep Brown's, down on Meredith Neck, with the brand new town asphalt paving, there.

Am I right, or am I right? Is tough to say ….. maybe is not … on second look?

Here's to a happening big 58?' boat ….. built in Gdansk, Poland by Galeon Yachts …. on the Baltic Sea ….. it needs the local Zumba talent doing a Zumba class up front on the bow, as it slowly cruises the big lake ….. (Zumba music here).

That trailer is probably 8.5' wide x 53' long, so how big is the boat?

[brk-lnt]

That's how the rest of the world does it. I'm amazed this rarely happens on Winni. An inflatable dinghy is like a giant fender, you can safely squeeze one in pretty much anywhere...

I could only imagine the litany of complaints that would cause if people actually started doing that. Not to mention all the related incidents from boats not being properly anchored, etc.

The upside would be you could probably walk across Meredith Bay easily on a busy weekend :)

[TiltonBB]

The boat arrived in Gilford this afternoon about 1 PM. It is scheduled for launch on Monday afternoon.

[TiltonBB]

Pictures from the road trip.

[Andromeda321]

I could only imagine the litany of complaints that would cause if people actually started doing that. Not to mention all the related incidents from boats not being properly anchored, etc.

The upside would be you could probably walk across Meredith Bay easily on a busy weekend :)

Yes, most of the busy ports I've ever been in where this is standard will also have moorings and require boats to use them, to minimize chaos. Usually there's not much more than the amount of dock space you have at a place like Meredith unless it's really big.

I am enjoying the thought of this guy coming up to anywhere trying to dock though- and the excitement of the three boats that could fit in her space when she leaves! :laugh:

[Barney Bear]

Bon Voyage, Summa Humma! ��

[camp guy]

I saw this boat (summa humma) today on Route 11 somewhere south of Alton Circle being escorted by police and "follow me" cars. It is really big.

[ghfromaltonbay]

I highly doubt Marc will have any issues docking it. Anyone who has witnessed him maneuvering and docking is former boat (43' Regal) at the Naswa knows he's a very skilled operator.

The operator's boating skills have nothing to do with difficulty finding a dock space at the public docks. You would need 3 or 4 empty spots in a row to fit that big of a boat. How often does that happen on weekends?

[codeman671]

I highly doubt Marc will have any issues docking it. Anyone who has witnessed him maneuvering and docking is former boat (43' Regal) at the Naswa knows he's a very skilled operator.

It wont take much for piloting skills, that is joystick controlled with thrusters front and rear I am sure. You can push that in any direction needed.

[fatlazyless]

560 Skydeck Extraordinaire

www.galeonyachts.us/en/model/560-skydeck/ says it has a draft of 4'7" .... seems pretty shallow ..... could hang a trolling motor on the bow and go bass'n for smallies!

[Liquorish]

Having owned three 40 plus footers over the years on the lake, docking can be a challenge, not from the actual process, it’s all about the available space! I spent many hours “hovering” by myself ( enjoying every moment) after having dropped everyone else off to shop or eat.
I’ll certainly enjoy watching her on the lake, and wish Marc many, many enjoyable times on the water. She’s beautiful!

[Chimi]

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).

[Major]

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).

I’m pretty sure you are wrong. The Sophie C and Doris E produce far larger wakes than any other boat save maybe the Mount Washington.


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[TiltonBB]

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).
Seriously?

As stated above, the Sophie C and the Doris E produce much larger wakes than this boat will. My experience is that their wakes are larger than the Mount Washington.

However, the increasing problem on the lake is the "Wake Setter" boats and other boats designed specifically to make a large wake. This new 56 foot boat may pass by once or twice and leave a wake. The Wake Setter boats may set up for a few hours in front of your house while everyone on the boat takes a turn in the lake. Hours of heavy wakes washing up on your front yard.

This is a real threat, one that is happening now. I saw the first one yesterday, with a surfer in the water, in front of my house. The wake from that boat washed several feet over the sea wall and onto my property. It is only going to get worse.

[ishoot308]

The Mount barely makes a wake. Heck my 22’ Eastern will produce a bigger wake than the Mount till she planes... The Sophie C and Doris E are another story however!

[Chimi]

Seriously?

As stated above, the Sophie C and the Doris E produce much larger wakes than this boat will. My experience is that their wakes are larger than the Mount Washington.

However, the increasing problem on the lake is the "Wake Setter" boats and other boats designed specifically to make a large wake. This new 56 foot boat may pass by once or twice and leave a wake. The Wake Setter boats may set up for a few hours in front of your house while everyone on the boat takes a turn in the lake. Hours of heavy wakes washing up on your front yard.

This is a real threat, one that is happening now. I saw the first one yesterday, with a surfer in the water, in front of my house. The wake from that boat washed several feet over the sea wall and onto my property. It is only going to get worse.

Yes, seriously. I don’t own waterfront property, so I have no dog in the fight. Simply making a point, so I don’t know why you had to make the condescending remark. You said it yourself that your property is being damaged by boat wakes. So if this guy sends a tsunami over your sea wall, then I guess you will just smile and wave? I still think there is a law on the books that says a captain is responsible for damages done by their wake.

[Garcia]

Seriously?

As stated above, the Sophie C and the Doris E produce much larger wakes than this boat will. My experience is that their wakes are larger than the Mount Washington.

However, the increasing problem on the lake is the "Wake Setter" boats and other boats designed specifically to make a large wake. This new 56 foot boat may pass by once or twice and leave a wake. The Wake Setter boats may set up for a few hours in front of your house while everyone on the boat takes a turn in the lake. Hours of heavy wakes washing up on your front yard.

This is a real threat, one that is happening now. I saw the first one yesterday, with a surfer in the water, in front of my house. The wake from that boat washed several feet over the sea wall and onto my property. It is only going to get worse.

Good law or bad, the courts have held boat operators responsible for their wake.

Here’s a Boat US article on the subject:

https://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2015/october/boat-wake-damage-liability.asp

Something for everyone to consider whether we like it or not...

And, The Mount makes almost no wake ever since they upgraded the engines a few years ago.

[fatlazyless]

In 2009 The Mount Washington qualified to receive a federal grant of about one million dollars through the Obama Admin's - Cash for Clunkers - EPA program and replaced their two 1946 diesels with two new Caterpillar clean diesel engines with installation completed in 2010.

The old diesels were 64-years old, voluminous in size, and well known for their familiar and iconic whosh-whosh-whosh sound which has been replaced with two new 2009 yellow Cats that are very efficient but emit an unimpressive buzz sound.

https://www.fosters.com/article/20090716/GJNEWS02/707169765 ..... going from the old whoosh-whoosh-whoosh to the new buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The old engines and the new engines all make a similar wake which seems flat and smooth for a 230' ship moving along at about 20-mph. So smooth that towing a 14-year old water skier on two skis on a 75' tow with mediocre skill is a piece-o-cake!

Much like the 2003 crash of the Old Man on the Mountain, the demise of the MS Mount Washington's iconic whoosh-whoosh-whoosh sound is deeply missed by many lake area residents. Sondra Kaputnitz of Wolfeboro says she just starts to cry, every time she hears that awful buzzzzzzzzzzzz sound, cruis'n on down the lake. ....... exclaiming ...... it is just so totally dreadful! ....... awwwwggggghhhhhhh :rolleye2:

[ApS]

I just hope this guy has some common courtesy to keep the wakes down when near shoreline, especially with the lake at this high level. That vessel has potential to do some serious damage to the shoreline and personal property. I believe NH has a law on the books which states that a vessel captain is responsible for damages done by his wake (but I could be wrong).
The owner is so courteous, that the NHMP can visit him before he returns to his dock. :argue:

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[joey2665]

Rolling into town:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/142345922446654/permalink/2686199164727971/


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[The Real BigGuy]

Check out video of interior here. All I can say is WOW!!! https://www.marinemax.com/boats-for-sale/details/used/galeon/560-skydeck/2018/marinemax-fort-myers/6999300


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[joey2665]

Holy cow!!! Hilarious there is a payment calculator st the bottom of the page. If you need to use it you can’t afford this boat. [emoji23]


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[Outdoorsman]

Yes, seriously. I don’t own waterfront property, so I have no dog in the fight. Simply making a point, so I don’t know why you had to make the condescending remark. You said it yourself that your property is being damaged by boat wakes. So if this guy sends a tsunami over your sea wall, then I guess you will just smile and wave? I still think there is a law on the books that says a captain is responsible for damages done by their wake.

I am speechless!

Some random, trying to disparage others?... You are certainly not helping your "cause".

You do not own waterfront property of any kind, yet you spew venom about those that do?

Take your "dog" to the park. And please clean up the poop behind him/her.

[Chimi]

I am speechless!

Some random, trying to disparage others?... You are certainly not helping your "cause".

You do not own waterfront property of any kind, yet you spew venom about those that do?

Take your "dog" to the park. And please clean up the poop behind him/her.

Disparage others? Spew venom? Hey Snowflake, lighten up will you? Your post must be a joke, because nobody would take what you wrote seriously. My first post was simply to ask if the owner of this new yacht would operate with some common courtesy, especially since the lake is high. Then you come on the scene with your diarrhea of the mouth. Nice job!

[brk-lnt]

John Spooner / Diamond Shine have posted some additional pics of it on Facebook, as it is getting cleaned and prepped for launch.

I'm kind of surprised he didn't follow the current trend for boats like this to do the name on the transom in 3D backlit letters. Guess he wanted to save some cash :)

Should be a fun summer for its inaugural launch.

[joey2665]

John Spooner / Diamond Shine have posted some additional pics of it on Facebook, as it is getting cleaned and prepped for launch.

I'm kind of surprised he didn't follow the current trend for boats like this to do the name on the transom in 3D backlit letters. Guess he wanted to save some cash :)

Should be a fun summer for its inaugural launch.

John said he was putting on a ceramic coat. I had an estimate for my car of 1500.00 for a ceramic coat. I could only imagine the cost for such a huge job.


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[dt5150]

are they still trying to sell their mansion on gov. island? what are they going to do with that thing if they do? i would imagine it might be a tad difficult to find a slip big enough for it elsewhere. there's always valet i guess.. can you imagine having to launch and load that sucker every time the owner wanted to go out?!?

[brk-lnt]

John said he was putting on a ceramic coat. I had an estimate for my car of 1500.00 for a ceramic coat. I could only imagine the cost for such a huge job.


No doubt it was costly, but in the grand scheme of things, it was probably less expensive than the transport costs. Even at $100/ft, that would "only" be $5600. A tank of gas (assuming you're filling 500gal of the 580gal total capacity for a "fill up") is going to be $1500-$2000, depending on exact price and delivery method at the time.

So, the ceramic coat was probably about 3 tanks of gas, which in that context seems cheap :)

[joey2665]

No doubt it was costly, but in the grand scheme of things, it was probably less expensive than the transport costs. Even at $100/ft, that would "only" be $5600. A tank of gas (assuming you're filling 500gal of the 580gal total capacity for a "fill up") is going to be $1500-$2000, depending on exact price and delivery method at the time.

So, the ceramic coat was probably about 3 tanks of gas, which in that context seems cheap :)

Cheap for him, expensive for me. [emoji23]. I wish them the best of luck and hope to see them out on the lake this season.


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[brk-lnt]

Holy cow!!! Hilarious there is a payment calculator st the bottom of the page. If you need to use it you can’t afford this boat. [emoji23]



I know tons of people financing million dollar boats. The prices on some used boats, particularly the high-demand center consoles like Freeman, don't follow the same depreciation curve and you can end up "owning" one of these boats for a few years with a lot less net out of pocket than you would think. I don't think this boat falls in that category (eg: it is likely to depreciate heavily the first year), it still would not surprise me to see it financed, not for "lack of cash" reasons, but for "cash management" reasons.

[joey2665]

I know tons of people financing million dollar boats. The prices on some used boats, particularly the high-demand center consoles like Freeman, don't follow the same depreciation curve and you can end up "owning" one of these boats for a few years with a lot less net out of pocket than you would think. I don't think this boat falls in that category (eg: it is likely to depreciate heavily the first year), it still would not surprise me to see it financed, not for "lack of cash" reasons, but for "cash management" reasons.

Very true. I was really more commenting that if you are worried about the payment amount to use the calculator you shouldn’t buy it.

Personally I would obviously if I could, buy a boat such as this definitely finance for cash management.


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[Tank151]

I don't care how much money you have, but a boat this size (if true) on the lake? The owner must be afraid of going on the ocean!

[radiocontester]

It’s here!14885


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Waaaaaay too big for the lake.....this belongs in the ocean. Not sure how much fun it's going to be with a boat of that size.....things got pretty monotonous with my 28 footer which is why my wife and I upgraded to close to a 40 footer to begin exploring the ocean.

[JADAQ]

So why was the post so “top secret “?

Who cares, it’s a boat. Wow someone’s got money.... ooooo

[chachee52]

Took a cruise around the lake this weekend. Got a chance to look at this boat, I must say, it doesn't look as big as some of the other boats around it. Might be because its not as tall as the others?
Whatever it might be, nice looking boat.

[mneck1814]

We just saw the boat waiting for a spot at the Meredith docks and I will admit that it looked smaller in person than I anticipated, too. We didn’t stick around to see how long they had to wait for a spot, but it looked like they had a full crew onboard watching the docks for an opening.

[Descant]

Pictures, please?

[Descant]

Huh? I was hoping for some pics of the Galeon hanging from the crane, and in the water. I'm not sure what your post is about?

[Blyblvrd]

14956


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[webmaster]

Huh? I was hoping for some pics of the Galeon hanging from the crane, and in the water. I'm not sure what your post is about?Check this post:

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=311962&postcount=26

[TiltonBB]

Huh? I was hoping for some pics of the Galeon hanging from the crane, and in the water. I'm not sure what your post is about?

Like these?

[ushaggerb]

Like these?

Hey. That's the same crane we used to put in our runabout.

[salty dog]

We were just pulling anchor after finishing lunch yesterday in Saunders Bay and noticed the new Galeon coming out of the marina. It came up to speed quickly, heading towards the end of Governors Island. Decided to pursue it just to watch it and maybe get a quick video. We pretty much caught up when it really poured it on. As I matched it's speed, it started to pull away at close to 30 mph. It was fun to watch it run but it sure is more boat than I'd ever need! I think I read that at cruising speed it burns about 40GPH.

<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/2BGl91sdX2k" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BGl91sdX2k

[webmaster]

It wont take much for piloting skills, that is joystick controlled with thrusters front and rear I am sure. You can push that in any direction needed.Add some wind and even this 64 footer has trouble:

<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/OtC2FI81OuE?start=105" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[TiltonBB]

That will be impressive to see that move over the road. I imagine they will have to take it 95 to 101 to 93. I cant imagine trying Route 11!

Route 4,125, 16, and 11.

It wont take much for piloting skills, that is joystick controlled with thrusters front and rear I am sure. You can push that in any direction needed.

Yes on bow and stern thrusters. No Joystick.

[tis]

Can you imagine having to dock your boat that close to the other boats all the time even without the wind?

[Hillcountry]

Can you imagine having to dock your boat that close to the other boats all the time even without the wind?

Takes lots of patience and LOTS of hands! But no thanks!

[thinkxingu]

Good thing that guy was there to give 'em a push with his hands.

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[ApS]

Did the skipper NOT have sailing experience? When you have to "work with the wind", you gain a greater respect for Mother Nature. That boat was SO large, the skipper might not have seen that he had docking-help from another boat! :eek:

Good thing that guy was there to give 'em a push with his hands.
That was sarcasm, right? ;) The video showed the boat crew had set a huge ball-fender between the two boats—early-on.

Speaking of sailing and powerboats, disabled USN submarine R-14 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_R-14_(SS-91))set improvised sail, and sailed its return 120 miles back to its home port! :eek2:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/USS_R-14_under_sail.jpg/200px-USS_R-14_under_sail.jpg

[Tank151]

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

[Paugus Bay Resident]

Personally, I don't believe we need any more regulations, we have more than enough when it comes to the lake and boating. Maybe a bit more common sense and courtesy, but that can't be legislated :)

While I do agree that the boat may be a bit "large" for Winni, it's not my boat and not my money. It's a free country and as long as the vessel is operated in a safe and couteous manner, I couldn't care less.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

[The Real BigGuy]

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

What’s next? Limit the size of lake front house you can build based on the size of the lake?Limit the number of guests you can have based on the size of the lake? The proposal suggest the beginning of a slippery slope we may not want to start down.


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[joey2665]

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----

Wow. I hope you are kidding!!!


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[Garcia]

What’s next? Limit the size of lake front house you can build based on the size of the lake?Limit the number of guests you can have based on the size of the lake? The proposal suggest the beginning of a slippery slope we may not want to start down.


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I think all of the options stated are controversial and uncomfortable. However, I feel the towns and the state should be more proactive in looking at ways to not necessarily over-regulate, but to make sure that growth remains sustainable. For example, if you have a huge influx of tourists for a three month season, workers are needed - where do they live and come from? As more people are coming and boating for the day or weekend (as waterfront is out of reach for most), where do they launch their boats, at what cost, and where are vehicles and trailers parked? Slips and valets are hard to find and building new ones is not an option - will the market simply start to squeeze out those at the lower end of the income scale as those who can afford to pay more continue to drive up prices?

I am a capitalist. But, I am also a believer in proactive planning so that future generations can continue to enjoy the Lake as I do.

[Biggd]

The next recession will shrink the size and the amount of boats on the lake just like the last one did.

[joey2665]

Some people just like to flash their money :rolleye2:

Others work extremely hard and make the choice to enjoy the fruits of their labor

[Major]

Others work extremely hard and make the choice to enjoy the fruits of their labor

I will add that Marc is brilliant too. Very little luck involved in his success. Extremely smart and an extremely hard worker, who was willing to take risks.

[LIforrelaxin]

I will add that Marc is brilliant too. Very little luck involved in his success. Extremely smart and an extremely hard worker, who was willing to take risks.

I will not knock the guy for being able to create a successful business. But like the Summa Humma boats his fascination with this one will likely fade. Be it because of a business turn down, or simply because he doesn't enjoy it the way he thought he would. He has taken risks, I don't know and will not comment on how hard or not he works.... and that is the key to his success... The fact that he takes risks.... Wander around the state some, you will find risks he took that failed... I have found more then one MB tractor location that did not succeed. When business and the economy is good, his life is good... when it is not, you see him make changes.... He is a risk taker, that isn't afraid to loose what he has gained.

[Hillcountry]

We only live once! Why not enjoy the fruits of your labors...

[Biggd]

We only live once! Why not enjoy the fruits of your labors...I plan on coming back to haunt everyone! :emb:

[brk-lnt]

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean.

LOL.

This is not an "Ocean" boat, it's really a near shore boat. Yes, it's longer than what you commonly see on Winni, but compare it to something like a Marlow 53 (http://www.marlowyachts.com/53.html) in terms of displacement, fuel capacity, range, and general sea handling capabilities and you'll see quite a difference.


Apparently the Captain has no -----

Not sure what you were implying MB is lacking with that comment, but I'm not so sure you have much "-----" to spare either.

[Barney Bear]

This here lake is big enuf for the both of us!

[Hillcountry]

I plan on coming back to haunt everyone! :emb:

I like your idea but I don’t think I want to see the “future world” we’re headed for...

[TheRoBoat]

It is a stunning vessel

It doesn’t look as long as the Camp Lawrence boat although it is slightly bigger

The wake looks huge behind the boat (first 75’ ft or so) but flattens out quickly. The wake that travels to shore I would describe as a rolling swell. The harsh waves of the camp boat or the mail boat - or the wake setter we went by afterwards, would be more damaging.

It looked like any other boat enjoying the weekend.

[neckdweller]

This is more a question about the Meredith town docks but since this thread's subject was what got me to notice I figured I'd post here.

Yesterday afternoon I was going through Meredith and saw Summah Hummah tied up to the town docks. I went by this morning around 6 AM and saw it still in the same spot. Is there some portion of those docks that is private? I've never really taken notice of the boats there but this one is kind of tough to miss.

[Garcia]

This is more a question about the Meredith town docks but since this thread's subject was what got me to notice I figured I'd post here.

Yesterday afternoon I was going through Meredith and saw Summah Hummah tied up to the town docks. I went by this morning around 6 AM and saw it still in the same spot. Is there some portion of those docks that is private? I've never really taken notice of the boats there but this one is kind of tough to miss.

Pretty sure where it was tied up is part of the public docks.

[joey2665]

The whole dock is public there is no private area and I can confirm it was there overnight. Only legitimate reason for the stay would be maybe the vessel was having issues.


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[Seaplane Pilot]

I went by at 3:45 this afternoon, and it was still there. There were 2 Meredith cops on the dock next to the boat, one looked like he might have been writing a ticket of some sort. Went by again at 6:00, and it was gone.

[rick35]

Anyone know how much a three hour dock violation is? I see boats tied up at Shep Browns public dock long term occasionally and I have to guess the fines are less than renting a slip.

[JADAQ]

He was at a 3 day event at Church landing. Not sure how he got permission to park long term but, $$$ can get you lots of things!

[thinkxingu]

He was at a 3 day event at Church landing. Not sure how he got permission to park long term but, $$$ can get you lots of things!Who knows what the story is here, but the friends I have/I've known with money definitely see the rules differently. I actually posted something on the Facebook forum recently that was based on one such friend: when he saw, "$50 fine for XXXX," he interpreted it as, "it costs $50 to do XXXX."

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[joey2665]

He was at a 3 day event at Church landing. Not sure how he got permission to park long term but, $$$ can get you lots of things!



I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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[Hillcountry]

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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And this is exactly why we stay off the lake on weekends! Weekdays are not without issues but much less stressful docking at the various towns.

[thinkxingu]

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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[ishoot308]

Does anybody here know for a fact that he did not have permission or maybe even a paid for a permit to stay there? Does anybody here know he didn't have motor or other troubles that caused his extended stay?? (You can't exactly tow a boat that size safely.) or is this all hearsay and conjecture to chastise a man who has a little money and a nice boat??....

Just wondering...

Dan

[Dave R]

Does anybody here know he didn't have motor or other troubles that caused his extended stay?? (You can't exactly tow a boat that size safely.)



Why can't one safely tow a boat that size?

[joey2665]

And this is exactly why we stay off the lake on weekends! Weekdays are not without issues but much less stressful docking at the various towns.

I’m with you. I much prefer the weekdays to weekends on the lake. Sometimes it’s unavoidable, I had family up and they were begging to go out. I also think this past weekend the docks were so busy because of the high winds, many took short rides to destinations instead of cruising or anchoring up. Lake was not too crowded but the town docks were packed.


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[ishoot308]

Why can't one safely tow a boat that size?

Let me just say this Dave...If that was my boat and it was broken down, I certainly would not want anyone attempting to tow me and somehow try and dock me through a maze of boats at my home marina. It would be much simpler and safer to ask the town for permission or accept the daily tickets and have a qualified mechanic come to the vessel for repairs.

Dan

[Hillcountry]

Does anybody here know for a fact that he did not have permission or maybe even a paid for a permit to stay there? Does anybody here know he didn't have motor or other troubles that caused his extended stay?? (You can't exactly tow a boat that size safely.) or is this all hearsay and conjecture to chastise a man who has a little money and a nice boat??....

Just wondering...

Dan

Someone had said "he was attending a 3 day event" there...I assume they had inside information to make that statement?

[ishoot308]

Someone had said "he was attending a 3 day event" there...I assume they had inside information to make that statement?

Could be but he also could of had a permit or permission from the town to do so the same way large barges and other work boats get permits to use town docks...

Dan

[codeman671]

Why can't one safely tow a boat that size?

With the size of that boat and the crazy wind we had this weekend it would be foolish to try.

[Garcia]

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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On the one hand, I am all for letting people live and let live and spend their money however they choose. On the other, as boats get bigger and beamier, more and more of the public docking space gets taken up - and their are no new spaces being created! Common sense, courtesy, and following the rules goes a long way to making space available for all.

I have two simple requests when people use public spaces. First, don't park in such a way that you make dock spaces inaccessible to others. The number of times I have pulled into Sheps, Center Harbor, or the Weirs to find boats parked at the far end of the docks in such a way as to block access to inner spaces... If you don't have the skill to dock in tight spaces, fine - "walk" your boat in or out as needed. Takes a little more time, but we all benefit. This is especially irritating when people are just hanging out on their boat - with two or three spaces in front of them!

Second, follow the three hour rule. Just because you get to a dock first thing in the morning doesn't mean you can stay all day. Likewise putting on the mooring cover and staying all night...

I don't expect any changes but will keep hoping!

[joey2665]

On the one hand, I am all for letting people live and let live and spend their money however they choose. On the other, as boats get bigger and beamier, more and more of the public docking space gets taken up - and their are no new spaces being created! Common sense, courtesy, and following the rules goes a long way to making space available for all.

I have two simple requests when people use public spaces. First, don't park in such a way that you make dock spaces inaccessible to others. The number of times I have pulled into Sheps, Center Harbor, or the Weirs to find boats parked at the far end of the docks in such a way as to block access to inner spaces... If you don't have the skill to dock in tight spaces, fine - "walk" your boat in or out as needed. Takes a little more time, but we all benefit. This is especially irritating when people are just hanging out on their boat - with two or three spaces in front of them!

Second, follow the three hour rule. Just because you get to a dock first thing in the morning doesn't mean you can stay all day. Likewise putting on the mooring cover and staying all night...

I don't expect any changes but will keep hoping!

Absolutely! Common sense, courtesy and following the rules are always the first thing to go :rolleye1:

[Dave R]

Let me just say this Dave...If that was my boat and it was broken down, I certainly would not want anyone attempting to tow me and somehow try and dock me through a maze of boats at my home marina. It would be much simpler and safer to ask the town for permission or accept the daily tickets and have a qualified mechanic come to the vessel for repairs.

Dan

Hmmm, that makes sense. I assumed it was docked at a house, not a marina.

[Dave R]

With the size of that boat and the crazy wind we had this weekend it would be foolish to try.

I was backpacking in the Catskills all weekend, did not know about the wind on Winni. Makes sense.

[ishoot308]

Hmmm, that makes sense. I assumed it was docked at a house, not a marina.

Maybe it is docked at his house, I don't know...but I can tell you that I guarantee that Seatow ot Towboat US or whoever else does towing on the lake has NEVER towed a 56' boat to someones dock...and at 1.5 million, mine certainly would not be the first especially in 25 MPH winds that were experienced all weekend!

Dan

[FlyingScot]

I understand money talks but the season is so short and weekends so busy especially at all the town docks it just isn’t right for this boat to take up 2-3 spots for 3 days. I pulled up there about 1:00 Saturday and there were obviously no spots to be had and 5 boats in front of me and more coming in behind.


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This a great generalizable rule--regardless of whether we can afford something or something is legal or been done before or whatever--we should all be cognizant that there are an awful lot of us on the lake and we should all do what we can to reduce our impact on others. Cheers!

[TiltonBB]

Hmmm, that makes sense. I assumed it was docked at a house, not a marina.

It is docked at Silver Sands Marina.

[Outdoorsman]

The ONLY solution is to have the state issue "boat" permits on a lottery basis exactly the same way they do will moose permits. Issue "X" amount of permits per body of water and those are the ONLY boats allowed on those waters of NH.

Think about it.... Moose hunting permits are handed out this same way....

PS: This is sarcasm.... or is it?>:D

[garysanfran]

I was watching boats docking at The Weirs last weekend and am curious...Hardly anyone docks on the inside, always on the outside at the docks end so as to not get "locked in". If you do dock on the inside and get locked-in, what is the proper etiquette if you want to leave? Do you just sit and wait for the outside boat owner to return? Do you move someone else's boat? Or do you do what I do and just stay away? Touching someone else's boat is not something I would ever do.

[Phantom]

Rule #1 -- NEVER touch someone else's boat, unless you are assisting them.

[joey2665]

I was watching boats docking at The Weirs last weekend and am curious...Hardly anyone docks on the inside, always on the outside at the docks end so as to not get "locked in". If you do dock on the inside and get locked-in, what is the proper etiquette if you want to leave? Do you just sit and wait for the outside boat owner to return? Do you move someone else's boat? Or do you do what I do and just stay away? Touching someone else's boat is not something I would ever do.

You sited all the reasons why no one uses the inside slip, no one wants to be locked in and no one wants to nor should they touch another’s boat


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[JADAQ]

Someone had said "he was attending a 3 day event" there...I assume they had inside information to make that statement?

My son was at a business conference with him at church landing. Started Sunday ending Tuesday.

[ApS]

Who knows what the story is here, but the friends I have/I've known with money definitely see the rules differently. I actually posted something on the Facebook forum recently that was based on one such friend: when he saw, "$50 fine for XXXX," he interpreted it as, "it costs $50 to do XXXX."
Same with waterfront trees. :(

They pay the fine so they have the view. :rolleye1:

[brk-lnt]

My son was at a business conference with him at church landing. Started Sunday ending Tuesday.

A 3-day event doesn't explain the boat being there for that duration, unless it was being used for entertainment in conjunction with the event, or something like that.

You can't (legally) sleep on it at the town docks, and it's not like Church Landing is a long commute from GI. So, he was either going home at night, or staying at the hotel, I would presume.

[joey2665]

My son was at a business conference with him at church landing. Started Sunday ending Tuesday.

In my opinion it’s not reason for him to leave his boat at the town dock for 3 days. Could have more easily taken his car.


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[Garcia]

A 3-day event doesn't explain the boat being there for that duration, unless it was being used for entertainment in conjunction with the event, or something like that.

You can't (legally) sleep on it at the town docks, and it's not like Church Landing is a long commute from GI. So, he was either going home at night, or staying at the hotel, I would presume.

The boat exceeded the three hour limit at a public dock. Maybe there was a great reason for it, maybe not. I'm skeptical because I see so many flagrant violations of the three hour rule on a regular, ongoing basis. Yes, I am making assumptions, but in my experience the vast majority of abusers of the public docks do so out of convenience for themselves, not need. This has a negative effect on the rest of us who follow the rules.

If that is not the case here, my apologies to the owner.

[Dave R]

The boat exceeded the three hour limit at a public dock. Maybe there was a great reason for it, maybe not. I'm skeptical because I see so many flagrant violations of the three hour rule on a regular, ongoing basis. Yes, I am making assumptions, but in my experience the vast majority of abusers of the public docks do so out of convenience for themselves, not need. This has a negative effect on the rest of us who follow the rules.

If that is not the case here, my apologies to the owner.

Simple solution would be for Meredith to progressively charge (dearly) by the foot for limited transient dockage that exceeds the 3 hour limit, like just about the whole rest of the world (including a NH city) does...

An even better solution would be for Meredith to allow transient dockage described above AND to install transient moorings at a substantially reduced rate (compared to dockage rates) and offer a free dinghy dock and/or a fee launch service, like just about the whole rest of the world does...

This whole concept of every boat having to go back to its home slip every night is really stupid. All those public docks on the lake are utterly wasted for roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of each day of the boating season and the towns and marinas are losing out on a ton of revenue.

[joey2665]

Simple solution would be for Meredith to progressively charge (dearly) by the foot for limited transient dockage that exceeds the 3 hour limit, like just about the whole rest of the world (including a NH city) does...

An even better solution would be for Meredith to allow transient dockage described above AND to install transient moorings at a substantially reduced rate (compared to dockage rates) and offer a free dinghy dock and/or a fee launch service, like just about the whole rest of the world does...

This whole concept of every boat having to go back to its home slip every night is really stupid. All those public docks on the lake are utterly wasted for roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of each day of the boating season and the towns and marinas are losing out on a ton of revenue.

To me the best answer is for every town dock to have a dock master which solves to problem of overstaying and who is next in line (which is always an issue on busy weekends) and change a small fee to cover the cost of the dockmaster.

The main reason for not allowing overnight stays is really not geared toward residents or property owners but instead for vacationers who can throw their boat in the water and live off their boat for their stay thus avoiding paying a hotel.motel and the hotel tax

[Garcia]

To me the best answer is for every town dock to have a dock master which solves to problem of overstaying and who is next in line (which is always an issue on busy weekends) and change a small fee to cover the cost of the dockmaster.

The main reason for not allowing overnight stays is really not geared toward residents or property owners but instead for vacationers who can throw their boat in the water and live off their boat for their stay thus avoiding paying a hotel.motel and the hotel tax

Even better, limit the size of boats on the lake with a simple and fair formula. Anyone can own and operate a boat 15 feet or smaller. For every year you have on the lake, you earn the right to an extra foot. Sure they'll be people like me in our 60+ foot boats, but at least we'll have experience on the lake:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously, just follow the intent and the letter of the law and we all benefit.

[joey2665]

Even better, limit the size of boats on the lake with a simple and fair formula. Anyone can own and operate a boat 15 feet or smaller. For every year you have on the lake, you earn the right to an extra foot. Sure they'll be people like me in our 60+ foot boats, but at least we'll have experience on the lake:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Seriously, just follow the intent and the letter of the law and we all benefit.

That sounds good but isn't that why we have a police department?

[tis]

To me the best answer is for every town dock to have a dock master which solves to problem of overstaying and who is next in line (which is always an issue on busy weekends) and change a small fee to cover the cost of the dockmaster.

The main reason for not allowing overnight stays is really not geared toward residents or property owners but instead for vacationers who can throw their boat in the water and live off their boat for their stay thus avoiding paying a hotel.motel and the hotel tax

A SMALL fee? Surely you are dreaming Joey. And even if it started out small you know what would happen.

[joey2665]

A SMALL fee? Surely you are dreaming Joey. And even if it started out small you know what would happen.

No I am not dreaming! They do it here in NY and the fee is usually 10.00 for the stay.


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[fatlazyless]

If everyone was only allowed to own a 14' vee hull, open aluminum boat with a 15-hp Evinrude outboard, both boat and motor made before 1980 ....... finding a parking spot at a local town dock would NOT be a problem!

I will be running for NH governor with this boat docking message!

..... thankyou very much ..... and vote for my plan!

[Descant]

No I am not dreaming! They do it here in NY and the fee is usually 10.00 for the stay.

The police officer on duty at the Glendale docks does a fine job keeping things running smoothly. They even accept UPS/FedEx. A great model for other towns /public docks.

It's "FREE"! The government pays for it. LOL

[Dave R]

No I am not dreaming! They do it here in NY and the fee is usually 10.00 for the stay.


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Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.

[Hillcountry]

Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.

I agree with almost everything you just said except one thing...I usually want to go where there are NO other people...:D

[ishoot308]

I really like the idea of having a dock master at town docks to control and monitor docking. This wouldn't cost the much and would really benefit both boater and town and in my opinion pay for itself...

Dan

[tis]

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

[thinkxingu]

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?Agreed. I liked being able to go out in the afternoon for ice cream and morning for breakfast without worrying the docks are full. Also, a charge at each dock would just increase the costs associated with boating--it's already priced out a lot of people.

Just. Do. The. Right. Thing.

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[Dave R]

I agree with almost everything you just said except one thing...I usually want to go where there are NO other people...:D

Me too, but I think we are unusual that way... My points are from a tourism business development point of view.

[Dave R]

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

Do you have any experience boating in NY?

[joey2665]

Yes by all means. Let's bring NY to NH. Didn't we have a discussion about this?

Really?, I think your taking this to an extreme.

This is the issue, everyone equates NY to NYC which is not the case at all and just like any state they do some things well and other things not so well.

In this situation DaveR and I are just suggesting the NY has a better handle on how to get the most out of their town dock facilities for themselves and the local businesses and I has worked very well for many years.

NOTE: Non of their town docks are within the border of NYC or its 5 boroughs they are on the lakes and rivers upstate and at state and federal parks on Long Island.

[Phantom]

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.


Dave - I also agree with 99% of your post -- however note that spending the night at a town dock I believe falls under the State Regulations ?????

[Dave R]

Dave - I also agree with 99% of your post -- however note that spending the night at a town dock I believe falls under the State Regulations ?????

I don't think so, the state only prohibits overnight anchoring on inland waters. Docks basically the only place you can overnight legally. The dock owner determines the allowable uses.

[FlyingScot]

Yup, most towns in NY have a great plan for public dock use and it's a fantastic state for recreational boating because of it. The popular towns charge for a stay and the less popular towns don't charge and often have incentives (free shore-power, bathrooms/showers, laundry facilities, shuttle buses etc.) to encourage people to stop and tie up (and spend money locally). It's simple supply and demand and based on extensive cruising there, I can say it works quite well. The warm and welcoming atmosphere I have experienced in NY waterfront towns is exactly opposite of what I experience here in NH. We could do so much better...

Meredith and Wolfeboro could be raking in big bucks all the time. Alton, Center Harbor and Weirs Beach could fill their docks with overnight boaters that pay a reasonable transient fee and spend a lot of money at local businesses. Imagine the bar bills people would rack up if they did not have to pilot their boat back to their dock in the dark. Additionally, imagine the breakfast joint revenues the next day... I think we can all agree that areas that have a few thriving restaurants typically also have thriving retail and hospitality establishments. People want to go where other people go.

One other thing that could really help with crowded town docks is to allow rafting where there's space for it. That's pretty normal outside NH too... It's crazy that with all the space between docks in Meredith that they don't allow rafting there; it's ideal for it. A Dockmaster could even offer discounts to incentivize people to allow rafting to their boat.

Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal

[fatlazyless]

.......golleeeeeee....... a couple years back, I actually found a ten dollar bill float'n in the water about four feet off the town dock, there ..... with all these big money boats dock'n up to go hit the local restaurants ...... am look'n to find a HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL float'n ..... sink'n ..... in the water there....yahhooooooo!

[Dave R]

Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goal

So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses, why were they installed?

[Biggd]

.......golleeeeeee....... a couple years back, I actually found a ten dollar bill float'n in the water about four feet off the town dock, there ..... with all these big money boats dock'n up to go hit the local restaurants ...... am look'n to find a HUNDRED DOLLAR BILL float'n ..... sink'n ..... in the water there....yahhooooooo!That was mine, I want it back!:(

[thinkxingu]

Reads like plan to make the docks a miserable, unavailable place for local residents. Thanks goodness our policy makers know that maximizing dock and breakfast(!) revenues is NOT our ultimate goalYES.

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[Biggd]

A buddy of mine that has his 59' boat docked in Mystic Conn. told me that when he leaves his rented dock space he has to let the dock master know when he's going to return because they rent it out while he's gone.

If he comes back early and his space is occupied and they don't have some place for him to tie up he's out of luck. He has to stay a sea until a space opens up.

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!

[Dave R]

A buddy of mine that has his 59' boat docked in Mystic Conn. told me that when he leaves his rented dock space he has to let the dock master know when he's going to return because they rent it out while he's gone.

If he comes back early and his space is occupied and they don't have some place for him to tie up he's out of luck. He has to stay a sea until a space opens up.

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!

That's normal and part of the contract at most marinas. It's how transient slips become available.

[Phantom]

It's ridiculous that they can rent out his space while he's gone and he gets nothing out of it. What a sham!

Big -- I think it probably cuts BOTH ways ….. It clearly had to be a condition of Rental ( that he is aware of) but probably also positively impacts his Slip Rental cost...……….. that would be "what he get's out of it.

[FlyingScot]

So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses, why were they installed?

Nothing wrong with public docks and nothing wrong with attracting business. It's the money above all else ethic of your post that is wrong.

We don't want our docks to be be campgrounds or RV parks, we want them to be docks.

[Dave R]

Nothing wrong with public docks and nothing wrong with attracting business. It's the money above all else ethic of your post that is wrong.

We don't want our docks to be be campgrounds or RV parks, we want them to be docks.

I never advocated for RVs or camping at the docks, just boats.

Anway, I'll be on my boat this weekend, likely making an overnight stay at a dock away from my home slip and exploring a lovely waterfront town with a welcoming atmosphere. I'm sure it will be just awful. ;) Enjoy your day trips! :D

[Phantom]

Anyway, I'll be on my boat this weekend, likely making an overnight stay at a dock away from my home slip and exploring a lovely waterfront town with a welcoming atmosphere. I'm sure it will be just awful. ;) Enjoy your day trips! :D

Now that's what the manufacturers had in mind when they developed all those "Cruisers" (big & small) …………. to be used to TRAVEL in -

[ApS]

So if public docks in Wolfeboro, Center Harbor, Alton Bay, Weirs Beach, and Meredith weren't installed to attract customers in boats to local businesses,
why were they installed?We know why they were installed, but the planners were not counting on the run-away sizes of today's boats.

[Descant]

My family used to stay overnight at Weirs, Wolfeboro, etc. The towns encouraged cabin cruisers, not because we did a lot of spending, but because the larger boats were a tourist attraction.

[Cal Coon]

We know why they were installed, but the planners were not counting on the run-away sizes of today's boats. Back in the 70's when I was a kid, my uncle had a camp on a small lake in the lakes region, and he had a 17' Penn Yan with a 120hp 4cyl mercruiser in it, and at the time it was the fastest boat on the lake!! It's "nickname" was "the Pig" because of all the fuel it used!!! A friend of theirs on the other side of the lake, then bought a 16 or 17' Glastron/Carlson with a 125hp Johnson o/b 2 stroke motor that then became the fastest boat on the lake...!!! "The pig" just couldn't keep up with that 2 stroke!!! My how things have changed...

[gillygirl]

The police officer on duty at the Glendale docks does a fine job keeping things running smoothly. They even accept UPS/FedEx. A great model for other towns /public docks.

It's "FREE"! The government pays for it. LOL

From what I’ve been told by one of the two gentleman that works there, they are volunteers. There is a woman who works there to cover the evenings when there are concerts at Meadowbrooks so non-islanders don’t dock at the islanders’ docks.


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[Hillcountry]

I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.

[Phantom]

Seems someone has their docking space at Silver Sands.

Perhaps the plan all aling once they squared away the dock at the house.

[TiltonBB]

I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.

It is 56 Feet

[Hillcountry]

It is 56 Feet

I stand corrected!

[Garcia]

I saw as I passed between Eagle and Governor’s the other day that the 54’ yacht is now docked at the owner’s residence! Looks great there and really does not appear to be “too big” for Winni.

I, too, saw it docked and I just rolled my eyes. That whole scene of a mammoth house and giant boat is not what I am looking for when I come here. Personally, I think both are way too big. The boat especially...

That said, he, and everyone else, is free to spend their money however they like.

[brk-lnt]

It is 56 Feet

It is 52' LWL.

[TiltonBB]

It is 52' LWL.

That is not correct. Sorry, it is 56 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhN8bQNhms

[brk-lnt]

That is not correct. Sorry, it is 56 feet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJhN8bQNhms

Skimmed through that video, didn't catch where he mentioned LWL, do you have a link to the time where the waterline length was discussed?

[TiltonBB]

Skimmed through that video, didn't catch where he mentioned LWL, do you have a link to the time where the waterline length was discussed?

Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?

[brk-lnt]

Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?

I thought we were all just quoting random specs about this boat :)

Actually, I just found it humorous with people arguing over minor details about the boat like it's some kind of religious vessel.

[ishoot308]

Actually, I just found it humorous with people arguing over minor details about the boat like it's some kind of religious vessel.

Noah’s ark??

[codeman671]

Length overall [ft] 58’1”
Beam overall [ft] 15’7”
Draft max. [ft] 4’7’’
Mass of Light Craft Condition [lbs] 53462
Engine (-s) power [HP] 2 x 725

Are you really that concerned about LWL? That would mean that almost every one of us is running a boat shorter than we claim it is.

Is there a point that you are trying to make?

Size does matter, so I hear? Personally I think my waistline is plenty big...

[ACME on the Broads]

Who Cares!

[ApS]

Instead of a speed limit, the state of New Hampshire ought to limit boat lengths permitted to ratio of lake size. This boat should be on the ocean. Apparently the Captain has no -----
Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend. :eek: :eek2:

[TiltonBB]

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend. :eek: :eek2:

Well, times have changed! You should be grateful that you got 35 years out of a dock. A few years ago I rebuilt one of my docks and made it 10 inches higher in the process so that water and waves would not affect it.

I don't know if you noticed but they now build boats (in a size you might approve of) that make a big wake intentionally just so people can surf on it.

As time marches on and we get a little older we have to adjust to many changes happening around us. Some we will like some we won't.

Do you have a rotary dial cell phone?

[Dave R]

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend. :eek: :eek2:

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders

[Blyblvrd]

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders



lets not forget about the water damage, these things were not built to get wet.


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[znh]

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders

more like #****thedockspiders


I had an epic battle with one on my jetski last weekend, he did not want to get out...I had to make a weapon and duel him to the death...or at least until he jumped in the water until he is seen again...

[Cal Coon]

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend. :eek: :eek2: Could be climate change... Maybe the lake levels are rising along with the ocean levels???

[Wifi-1]

Could be climate change... Maybe the lake levels are rising along with the ocean levels???

Where is AlGore when you need him ?

[eillac@dow]

Qualms?

Our dock has been in place since 1984. In thirty-five years, no wakes have crashed over the end—until last weekend. :eek: :eek2:


I keep saying bite your tongue..keep quiet...don’t respond...

But seriously?

[Cal Coon]

I keep saying bite your tongue..keep quiet...don’t respond...

But seriously?Yeah, apparently it must of been a sloooooooow day for the "things to complain about" dept...

[ApS]

Looking at that pic makes me think you are lucky to have survived. It looks like upwards of a gallon of water and possibly an ounce or two of pine needles nearly overwhelmed a few spiders on you dock. #tsunami2019 #savethedockspiders
This dock, built in a protected cove of Lake Winnipesaukee, has seen many recent soakings, but always near the shoreline, where the size of breaking wakes rapidly increase.

If I'd built on the Broads, I'd have longer pilings put underneath—and a breakwater—which is not permitted here on a deep and a "protected" shoreline. Since 1984, moorings and boatlifts have sprung up in Winter Harbor like mushrooms in July, so the problem of oversized boats isn't being overlooked.

Ocean-racers and "liveaboard" cruisers aren't so much of a problem on oceans.

lets not forget about the water damage, these things were not built to get wet.
Good point! :eek2: Most here hadn't thought to look beyond the obvious. :rolleye1:

In 1984, the builders didn't think to use PT for the 6"x8" cross-members, so I've had to replace three of them myself—most recently last summer.

As it happened, a 6"x8" cross-member floated-by last spring. Although twice as long as needed, I snagged it, and chain-sawed it to fit. :coolsm:

[joey2665]

Wow this thread went way....... off topic. [emoji33][emoji4]


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Wow this thread went way....... off topic. [emoji33][emoji4]


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Well gee, with the help of the labeled pictorial we all now better versed in what a chain, cross-member and piling are! :laugh:

[chasedawg]

This dock, built in a protected cove of Lake Winnipesaukee, has seen many recent soakings, but always near the shoreline, where the size of breaking wakes rapidly increase.

If I'd built on the Broads, I'd have longer pilings put underneath—and a breakwater—which is not permitted here on a deep and a "protected" shoreline. Since 1984, moorings and boatlifts have sprung up in Winter Harbor like mushrooms in July, so the problem of oversized boats isn't being overlooked.

Ocean-racers and "liveaboard" cruisers aren't so much of a problem on oceans.


Good point! :eek2: Most here hadn't thought to look beyond the obvious. :rolleye1:

In 1984, the builders didn't think to use PT for the 6"x8" cross-members, so I've had to replace three of them myself—most recently last summer.

As it happened, a 6"x8" cross-member floated-by last spring. Although twice as long as needed, I snagged it, and chain-sawed it to fit. :coolsm:

Wow...please stop posting comments that have correlation to the subject from OP. Big boat on lake...

[chasedawg]

Wow...please stop posting comments that have correlation to the subject from OP. Big boat on lake...

These comments from afar that don't contribute to any value from the OP What do you suggest to correct this problem? I come on the forum to understand what current OP are trying to information or help and learn. But really to have so many posts that are just totally off the wall like this recent one just does add any value. It is not what I am looking for from the Winni forum that I used to know and learn from many excellent posters

[Top-Water]

This is kind of a teaser but it is all that can be said for now!

There is a new big privately owned boat coming to the lake. It is a little bigger, by a few feet, than the last big privately owned boat that was on the lake.

It is on the way now and will be in the water within the next 4 weeks. It is impressive!

That is all! Stay tuned!

Thank you

Awesome. Been looking forward to a big boat topic for ages. I hope we get some cross member, chain, and piling images too.

Way off topic now.

[Cobalt 25]

I've gone by the boat several times and the boat/dock/house all seem in reasonable proportion. No big deal, IMO.

But it could be that the owner will need to take out his/her chain saw, cut all the pilings to the "roof" of the boat "house", and raise the "roof' by about 8 or 10 feet or so. That will enable said boat to fit in the boat "house".

I'm pretty good with a chain saw so I would be willing to help out. And, just to stay on topic, I enjoyed eating RingDings as a kid. How about you?

[Hillcountry]

I've gone by the boat several times and the boat/dock/house all seem in reasonable proportion. No big deal, IMO.

But it could be that the owner will need to take out his/her chain saw, cut all the pilings to the "roof" of the boat "house", and raise the "roof' by about 8 or 10 feet or so. That will enable said boat to fit in the boat "house".

I'm pretty good with a chain saw so I would be willing to help out. And, just to stay on topic, I enjoyed eating RingDings as a kid. How about you?

Oh baby...Ring Dings were the best! :D

[joey2665]

Oh baby...Ring Dings were the best! :D

Frozen Ring Dings. :D