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Old 04-28-2016, 08:49 AM   #1
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Picked my boat up at Winnisquam Marine yesterday and headed home in a brisk wind. It was a beautiful sunny day and the boat was running nicely.....until I took out the lower unit on a submerged rock at 40MPH.
Don't know if the rock grew over the winter or the navigation marker moved but I was about 30' outside of the marker.
We were able to paddle and pole to an empty dock and secure the boat but it wasn't looking too pretty. No damage to the boat, though.
Guess I'll find out how good my BoatUS coverage is.
By the way, I did take a picture shortly after it happened and it clearly shows the trail of my prop wash well outside of the marker although I don't know if it makes a difference for an insurance claim.
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:55 AM   #2
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Where was this said rock? The rest of us would like to avoid it this season!!
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Old 04-28-2016, 08:56 AM   #3
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Well that sure must have ruined your day. Good that the boat did not get damaged.

Could you pass on the specific location?
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Type in 520 Shore Drive, Laconia NH on Google earth......that's where we borrowed a dock that wasn't in use. The marker is right there and I'm guessing the rock was 20' to 30' west of the red marker.
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I would hope for customer service sake seeing as you just picked up your boat from Winnisquam that they would be willing to give you a tow back to their docks (assuming you launched there)....

And hmm I wasn't aware of too many hazards in that area.. I will have to carefully investigate that area this weekend.
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I see the rock and the red marker too...if, in fact it is that large long rock just south of the dock...the marker sure seems like it's in the wrong place by the Earth photo. Sorry for the troubles! That would ruin my day for sure.
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What I learned when I backed into a rock taking my boat of the trailer at a ramp in Maine a few years ago: If the drive is over 10 years old, they will value the parts at 10% of retail, but they will pay full labor.

BoatUS Insurance covered everything that was even slightly damaged by the impact and I only changed the parts that were unusable so I ended up making a few grand on the deal. If you can change the broken stuff yourself, you can likely cover the parts at new cost. That said, I'd shop for used parts and pocket the extra money. You had used parts when you started the trip...

What kind of drive and what broke?
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Is this what we're talking about (the marker center and rock south)?

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Oh, that really stinks, heck of a way to start the season.

Yikes that's right across from me. It's my late evening "take a left here" marker.

Last year I kayaked around there and was surprised by the number of boulders from there down to the state park.
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I always give that area a wide berth at least until the park area.
Hard to tell whats under there.
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I would think there would be another marker to cover the south side of that rock.I dont have chart of Winnisquam but is there one missing?
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A truly unfortunate event for SAMIAM .....

But let others beware ..... In early Season, the markers may have moved (radically) and in some cases disappeared altogether .... regardless if Winnisquam or the Big Lake



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Old 04-28-2016, 06:33 PM   #14
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Could have been worse. We're insured and its early in the season. we were close to shore and able to pole&paddle to a dock. I will say that Bennington was a handful in the wind getting into a dock.
Winnisquam Marine was great. Greg, the service manager had it picked up even though it was after 5 by the time I reached him.
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Misspoke ...Gary in service. Not Greg
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Good luck with the repairs Bob!
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Old 04-29-2016, 06:14 AM   #17
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I almost had a similar incident once but I had an eye on my chart-plotter (Bizer chip). When I noticed the discrepancy I slowed down and steered wide of the area.

Remember. Technology is a wonderful thing and he who dies with the most toys wins!

Better luck next time.
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Your insurance company will cover your repair 100%- doesn't even matter what side of the marker you are on. You are in good hands with Winnisquam and their service department. Too bad about the accident- but nobody got hurt, and boats can be fixed. Better now than in a month!
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Picked my boat up at Winnisquam Marine yesterday and headed home in a brisk wind. It was a beautiful sunny day and the boat was running nicely.....until I took out the lower unit on a submerged rock at 40MPH.
Don't know if the rock grew over the winter or the navigation marker moved but I was about 30' outside of the marker.
We were able to paddle and pole to an empty dock and secure the boat but it wasn't looking too pretty. No damage to the boat, though.
Guess I'll find out how good my BoatUS coverage is.
By the way, I did take a picture shortly after it happened and it clearly shows the trail of my prop wash well outside of the marker although I don't know if it makes a difference for an insurance claim.
Sam, it sounds like you were navigating by the marker/map? Do you, or does anyone know, if GPS shows the marker in a different place?

This might be an example of how GPS adds to navigational success?

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The one and only time we ever hit a rock while traveling on the lake was going through the six pack. It was fall when the water was down and we were well inside the buoy but whether the buoy got moved or what, I don't know. But we lost a prop.
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I see the rock and the red marker too...if, in fact it is that large long rock just south of the dock...the marker sure seems like it's in the wrong place by the Earth photo. Sorry for the troubles! That would ruin my day for sure.
I see the red marker, too. The MPs would never put that marker within 150 feet of the shoreline, as it appears to be.
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The one and only time we ever hit a rock while traveling on the lake was going through the six pack. It was fall when the water was down and we were well inside the buoy...
Assuming you mean the "six pack" off the east point of Long Island, can you pinpoint just where in the six pack you were? Does anyone have a link to a decent aerial view of the area that would show the shallow areas? I've never had any issue with that passage at any time of the fall, but I'd like to know where there is something close enough to hit at low water.
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Here is our oops from last weekend. We were going headway speed approaching a friends dock. My wife opened the walkthrough door/windshield to access the bowcover and docklines to tie-up. The glass door slipped out of her hands and the impact and/or vibration shattered the port windshield. Shocked that occurred on a 2015 boat with sixty hours. I've never seen it happen in 20 years of boating. Worst part is that my marina said it'll be 3-4 weeks before they can replace it!
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My windshield almost met that fate as well. I still wonder how it didn't.

I was piloting my boat many miles through very rough seas for about two hours. When I turned to enter a channel the wind was now under the opened part of the windshield. It tore the retaining strap and smashed loudly against its mating part. It scared the crap out of me! All of the pounding must have sawed away at the strap.

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Here is our oops from last weekend. We were going headway speed approaching a friends dock. My wife opened the walkthrough door/windshield to access the bowcover and docklines to tie-up. The glass door slipped out of her hands and the impact and/or vibration shattered the port windshield. Shocked that occurred on a 2015 boat with sixty hours. I've never seen it happen in 20 years of boating. Worst part is that my marina said it'll be 3-4 weeks before they can replace it!
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3-4 weeks seems like a long wait. Have you tried a glass or windshield replacement company? I would think they would be able to get the right piece of glass a lot quicker.
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3-4 weeks seems like a long wait. Have you tried a glass or windshield replacement company? I would think they would be able to get the right piece of glass a lot quicker.

The marina said the entire port side windshield needs to be replaced. Taylormade has a monopoly I guess? And for some reason they don't keep them in stock.
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Hope the insurance is painless.
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Sam, it sounds like you were navigating by the marker/map? Do you, or does anyone know, if GPS shows the marker in a different place?

This might be an example of how GPS adds to navigational success?

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Actually, I wasn't using my GPS because I've been by that marker many times so I'm thinking the ice might have moved it closer to shore.
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... Do you, or does anyone know, if GPS shows the marker in a different place? ...
I've been to FL02 three times over the past 20 years. Each reading is within the pink circle.

I do not believe the small, red dot about two inches above the rock is the buoy itself because (A) the photograph is probably 2015, and (B) the buoys are too small to be seen. The buoys are only about six inches in diameter. Look in the boat on the pier. The smallest thing that would be visible would be about three feet in diameter.
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I've been doing the lake for over 20 years with a 20 foot Donzi at various times of the year..usually in late September. I have hit a rock on one occasion.... I was just idling along, at headway speed, looking at the Real Estate on shore..and Boom. Destroyed my SS Cleaver Prop and bent my skeg. There was a "mark" nearby that I missed. I wasn't paying attention. I TOTALLY Accept Responsibility for that miss.

I hate it when people can't accept that THEY screwed up, and want to blame it on the Chart, OR the buoy is somewhere else...OR Something..... STUPID. NB
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The MPs would never put that marker within 150 feet of the shoreline, as it appears to be.
I've seen markers on Winnipesaukee that are within 150' of shoreline. There are some examples around Nineacre Island and Whaleback island, as well as FL50.
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Anyone know if the marker in question has been "fixed" with regard to it's position near that rock?
I'm launching my new boat for the first time tomorrow on Winnisquam (after Winnsquam Marine replaces my battery) and was wondering about it...
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Here is our oops from last weekend. We were going headway speed approaching a friends dock. My wife opened the walkthrough door/windshield to access the bowcover and docklines to tie-up. The glass door slipped out of her hands and the impact and/or vibration shattered the port windshield. Shocked that occurred on a 2015 boat with sixty hours. I've never seen it happen in 20 years of boating. Worst part is that my marina said it'll be 3-4 weeks before they can replace it!
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Hello all, an update on my situation. I called BoatUS two weeks ago to submit my claim to have windshield replaced. I'm still waiting on them to approve the replacement of the windshield. And I'm calling every-other-day to check in. Pretty poor experience.
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I have not Been out yet, but as someone pointed out it is sort of in line with some other markers and you have to be fairly close to shore.
Looking at the chart now and I think it's FL2, I normally stay away from that point.

Hope all goes well, and you have an enjoyable day. We hope to unwrap the boat this weekend and get everything ready to put the dock in soon.
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I have not Been out yet, but as someone pointed out it is sort of in line with some other markers and you have to be fairly close to shore.
Looking at the chart now and I think it's FL2, I normally stay away from that point.

Hope all goes well, and you have an enjoyable day. We hope to unwrap the boat this weekend and get everything ready to put the dock in soon.
Thank you for that info...I need to get a Winnisquam chart soon.
I have operated on W-squam for years without incident as it is pretty much, an "open" lake. This will, however, be the first time with my own boat.
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I have not Been out yet, but as someone pointed out it is sort of in line with some other markers and you have to be fairly close to shore.
Looking at the chart now and I think it's FL2, I normally stay away from that point.

Hope all goes well, and you have an enjoyable day. We hope to unwrap the boat this weekend and get everything ready to put the dock in soon.
What a great day! We launched from the F&G ramps without a hitch (1st time with a boat other than a 14 ft aluminum) then Cruised at about 1200 rpms while I figured out how to trim the out drive for holding a headway( for a while I was having to correct way too much) the I trimmed down all the way and solved that conundrum...we went to the loon sanctuary and just drifted for an hour (very little breeze...then we hugged the western shore all the way back to mosquito bridge and over into the south side of the lake made a loop and back to the F&G ramps...nice day in the sun! Had a picnic lunch somewhere in there too..��
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It was nice out. Glad you had a nice outing in your new boat. Did you happen to notice the water temperature?
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It was nice out. Glad you had a nice outing in your new boat. Did you happen to notice the water temperature?
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Yes...50 to 53 on the north side and warmer south of mosquito...as high as 57 in some of the shallows.
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