Do you wish to protest 15% ethanol fuel?

Kamper · 09-28-2010, 03:11 PM

http://www.followthescience.org/take-action/

Lifted from another forum I belong to but pertinent to all boaters.

Dear BoatU.S. Member,

We need your help. If you believe in "science first," now is the time to urge President Obama to require the federal EPA to understand the effects of higher blends of ethanol before allowing it into our country's gasoline supply.

Time is critical. Last year, a record number of boaters asked EPA to test marine engines before allowing up to 15% (E15) ethanol in gasoline. This testing has not been completed. Now, in late September or early October, EPA is getting ready to announce their decision. We expect they will allow E15 for some engines and not others. This will create different fuels with different availability, prices, and a lot of consumer confusion.

Please help today. Click here http://www.followthescience.org/take-action/ and let President Obama know your concerns about ethanol and ask him to get the science first, before giving EPA the approval for more ethanol in your gasoline.

robmac · 09-29-2010, 08:29 AM

This can and will make all of the ethanol problems get worse. How much Startron can you add to protect your fuel system and engine before that becomes an issue. Please voice your opinion to your elected officials. Thanks Kamper for sharing the info. Rob

LIforrelaxin · 09-29-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by robmac

This can and will make all of the ethanol problems get worse. How much Startron can you add to protect your fuel system and engine before that becomes an issue. Please voice your opinion to your elected officials. Thanks Kamper for sharing the info. Rob

Its not just about the additives and separation problems. The PCM in most boats will have issues as the sensor readings start changing etc. At issue is that changing to E10 was studied and the engine builder adapt for it long ago... Because that was believed to be the answer most PCM will not know how to adjust for the new gasoline mixture....

Now that aside, folks I hope you all see the real game here.... the government is trying to use this to boost the farming industry.... which E10 has helped, unfortunately it has some negative effects on the rest of the economy as food products are affected as well, with a hike in price. Continuing down the road of ethanol, while it might have wonderful environmental effects, may in the end have horrible effects on the overall economy...

chipj29 · 09-29-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Its not just about the additives and separation problems. The PCM in most boats will have issues as the sensor readings start changing etc. At issue is that changing to E10 was studied and the engine builder adapt for it long ago... Because that was believed to be the answer most PCM will not know how to adjust for the new gasoline mixture....

Now that aside, folks I hope you all see the real game here.... the government is trying to use this to boost the farming industry.... which E10 has helped, unfortunately it has some negative effects on the rest of the economy as food products are affected as well, with a hike in price. Continuing down the road of ethanol, while it might have wonderful environmental effects, may in the end have horrible effects on the overall economy...

Not to mention the fact that ethanol in gasoline actually reduces fuel economy.

http://domesticfuel.com/2005/09/19/e...economy-study/
Miles per gallon
The three vehicles averaged only 1.5% lower mileage with E10, 2.2% lower mileage with E20, 5.1% lower mileage with E30, and increased mileage of 1.7% when using the specially denatured E10 blend.

Rattlesnake Guy · 09-29-2010, 09:18 PM

And it takes about the energy in half a gallon of ethanol to make one gallon of ethanol. In the 80s it actually took more than the energy in a gallon to make one gallon.

Wolfeboro_Baja · 10-01-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamper

Please help today. Click here http://www.followthescience.org/take-action/ and let President Obama know your concerns about ethanol and ask him to get the science first, before giving EPA the approval for more ethanol in your gasoline.

Done; I hope they come to their senses.

09-28-2010, 03:11 PM	#1
Kamper Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Thornton's Ferry Posts: 1,296 Thanks: 67 Thanked 166 Times in 126 Posts	Do you wish to protest 15% ethanol fuel? http://www.followthescience.org/take-action/ Lifted from another forum I belong to but pertinent to all boaters. Dear BoatU.S. Member, We need your help. If you believe in "science first," now is the time to urge President Obama to require the federal EPA to understand the effects of higher blends of ethanol before allowing it into our country's gasoline supply. Time is critical. Last year, a record number of boaters asked EPA to test marine engines before allowing up to 15% (E15) ethanol in gasoline. This testing has not been completed. Now, in late September or early October, EPA is getting ready to announce their decision. We expect they will allow E15 for some engines and not others. This will create different fuels with different availability, prices, and a lot of consumer confusion. Please help today. Click here http://www.followthescience.org/take-action/ and let President Obama know your concerns about ethanol and ask him to get the science first, before giving EPA the approval for more ethanol in your gasoline.

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09-29-2010, 08:29 AM	#2
robmac Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashua,Meredith Posts: 951 Thanks: 213 Thanked 106 Times in 81 Posts	This can and will make all of the ethanol problems get worse. How much Startron can you add to protect your fuel system and engine before that becomes an issue. Please voice your opinion to your elected officials. Thanks Kamper for sharing the info. Rob

09-29-2010, 09:18 PM	#5
Rattlesnake Guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,254 Thanks: 423 Thanked 366 Times in 175 Posts	And it takes about the energy in half a gallon of ethanol to make one gallon of ethanol. In the 80s it actually took more than the energy in a gallon to make one gallon.