Mooring renewals

codeman671 · 03-24-2010, 02:49 PM

Has anyone gone through the mooring renewal process lately? Has anyone been denied a renewal?

We have 4 boat slips and 2 moorings. Currently we have 2 boats (soon to be 3) and 2 pwc (3 seaters). Theoretically we are currently full on the dock, with no space for overflow if we had company arrive by boat. Has anyone else been through the renewal process lately and had a situation where your need for the moorings is questionable? When we originally got the moorings our dock was not built so it was easy to show need.

Obviously I can pick up a small boat or two to create more need, but would rather not if I dont have to. I do not want to let my moorings go.

I had a neighbor on the island a few years ago that had a 2 boat dock, 4 moorings and only 2 boats. I am not sure how the regs have changed or if things have tightened up since.

TomC · 03-24-2010, 03:29 PM

..like jetskis and small boats won't be counted by them (if you have a beach/shallow entry). so if you have 4 slips and 2 boats they may not approve moorings based on slip constraints.

you can try the approach that you need mooring(s) to protect the boats from damage due to a long fetch/high wave/wake action by getting them off the dock. the need does not have to be strictly space-based

Gatto Nero · 03-25-2010, 10:36 AM

I just went through the process of renewing mine with no problem. I did have two moorings, one for a jetski, but decided this time around to reduce it back to just one. I used the approach that TomC suggested but in my case its a reality.

Bear Islander · 03-25-2010, 11:35 PM

I have two slips, two moorings and only two registered boats. They questioned my need for two moorings, but I explained that living on an island we must have a least one, and sometimes two slips available for visitors, deliveries, tradesmen etc.

I even pointed out that our babysitter arrives by boat. Most people don't get the full impact of what living on an island means, you have to explain it in detail. Anyway it worked.

codeman671 · 03-26-2010, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Bear Islander

I even pointed out that our babysitter arrives by boat.

I have been trying to find a babysitter up here for a while that will work on an island. I'd certainly be interested in hooking with with her on that. I am 5 minutes from your place.

I am going to put my application together over the weekend using everyone's suggestions.

Misty Blue · 03-26-2010, 09:14 AM

We have boats on the water after the state "lets down" the Lake level and in some years have trouble with depth at the end of the dock. Hey, we all have needs.

Misty Blue

BroadHopper · 03-26-2010, 10:30 AM

Don't get me going on this one!

10 years ago, I started dating this woman on Sleepers Island who had one dock and no mooring. I had a boat and she had a boat. We also have friends that like to visit with boats. We decided to add two mooring balls.

She had over 100' frontage. Because her dock is oversize. (Very wide) and grandfathered, we were told by DES that we cannot add another dock or fingers. We decided to add 2 moorings. The package that came in the mail requires a rocket scientist to figure out! We had to draw a map of the shoreline as well as the abutting neighbors. Draw in existing docks and measurements. Then draw in existing moorings. It is like we are tattle tailing on our neighbors. They weren't too happy when we ask for measurements. We also had to document the boat registrations.
We did this in the fall of 2000. After a few phone calls, we got an answer from the state in the fall of 2001. The state will only allow one mooring on the basis that the owner of the property only has one boat registered! Both abbutting neighbors have only one boat registered but were allowed two moorings as it was grandfathered!

Not sure what it will be today. I hope the rules have changed. A good friend of mine bought property on 20 Mile Bay and the previous owner was not a boater. There is only a swim deck on the shore. He has 140' of frontage and is currently asking for a U shape dock and a mooring. He said the paperwork was not as bad as I explained it was 10 years ago. I wish him well.

Little Bear · 03-26-2010, 11:21 AM

Don't forget to make a copy of your application. The permit is only good for 5 years, so every 5 years you have to fill out the 4-page application again. I just send in the copy with pertinent information updated.

John A. Birdsall · 03-26-2010, 03:50 PM

I have just reregistered my mooring, and have the new decal. It is my understanding of the rules that you must own 70' of beach frontage per mooring. So if a person has 100' it would be my understanding that they can only have one mooring.

I can recall when there was no mooring criteria, let alone charges for the moorings We had one on each side of the boat house. However for awhile one was a raft. That was funny, as I recall that raft was very tippy. and we used the neighbors raft anyway.

I have not had to go thru the big deal of every five years, I do know that every year you have to re-register it. I think I need to have to find out just when the last time it was submitted with all the drawings etc.

DRH · 03-27-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Little Bear

Don't forget to make a copy of your application. The permit is only good for 5 years, so every 5 years you have to fill out the 4-page application again. I just send in the copy with pertinent information updated.

That's right, the permit itself is good for five years, but in addition you must annually send the state a current copy of the registration for the boat that will be attached to the mooring along with a check (currently $25) and the state will then send you a decal for that year that must be attached to your mooring ball. Even though the permit itself is good for five years, you can't legally secure a boat to the mooring without the current year's decal displayed. We've often seen the Marine Patrol checking mooring balls in our area for the current year's decal.

Little Bear · 03-30-2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DRH

That's right, the permit itself is good for five years, but in addition you must annually send the state a current copy of the registration for the boat that will be attached to the mooring along with a check (currently $25) and the state will then send you a decal for that year that must be attached to your mooring ball. Even though the permit itself is good for five years, you can't legally secure a boat to the mooring without the current year's decal displayed. We've often seen the Marine Patrol checking mooring balls in our area for the current year's decal.

You are correct - just to be clear to the others: The annual renewal (not the 5-year renewal) does not require any form to be filled out. Just send the check along with the copy of the boat reg and they send the sticker back along with the paper "permit". Keep in mind also that the paper permit must be kept, which can then be requested by Marine Patrol for further proof of registration/permit.

Steveo · 03-30-2010, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall

I have just reregistered my mooring, and have the new decal. It is my understanding of the rules that you must own 70' of beach frontage per mooring. So if a person has 100' it would be my understanding that they can only have one mooring.

My neighbor has a 10 ft ROW and he is able to get mooring as long as the abuters state they are OK with it

03-24-2010, 02:49 PM	#1
codeman671 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,360 Thanks: 209 Thanked 764 Times in 448 Posts	Mooring renewals Has anyone gone through the mooring renewal process lately? Has anyone been denied a renewal? We have 4 boat slips and 2 moorings. Currently we have 2 boats (soon to be 3) and 2 pwc (3 seaters). Theoretically we are currently full on the dock, with no space for overflow if we had company arrive by boat. Has anyone else been through the renewal process lately and had a situation where your need for the moorings is questionable? When we originally got the moorings our dock was not built so it was easy to show need. Obviously I can pick up a small boat or two to create more need, but would rather not if I dont have to. I do not want to let my moorings go. I had a neighbor on the island a few years ago that had a 2 boat dock, 4 moorings and only 2 boats. I am not sure how the regs have changed or if things have tightened up since.

03-24-2010, 03:29 PM	#2
TomC Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lakes Region Posts: 547 Thanks: 9 Thanked 29 Times in 20 Posts	anything that can be beached.. ..like jetskis and small boats won't be counted by them (if you have a beach/shallow entry). so if you have 4 slips and 2 boats they may not approve moorings based on slip constraints. you can try the approach that you need mooring(s) to protect the boats from damage due to a long fetch/high wave/wake action by getting them off the dock. the need does not have to be strictly space-based

03-25-2010, 10:36 AM	#3
Gatto Nero Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Isola Gatto Nero Posts: 696 Thanks: 162 Thanked 263 Times in 81 Posts	I just went through the process of renewing mine with no problem. I did have two moorings, one for a jetski, but decided this time around to reduce it back to just one. I used the approach that TomC suggested but in my case its a reality. __________________ La vita è buona su Isola Gatto Nero

03-26-2010, 09:14 AM	#6
Misty Blue Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 658 Thanks: 121 Thanked 283 Times in 98 Posts	Dock depth We have boats on the water after the state "lets down" the Lake level and in some years have trouble with depth at the end of the dock. Hey, we all have needs. Misty Blue

03-26-2010, 10:30 AM	#7
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,509 Thanks: 3,116 Thanked 1,089 Times in 783 Posts	New moorings Don't get me going on this one! 10 years ago, I started dating this woman on Sleepers Island who had one dock and no mooring. I had a boat and she had a boat. We also have friends that like to visit with boats. We decided to add two mooring balls. She had over 100' frontage. Because her dock is oversize. (Very wide) and grandfathered, we were told by DES that we cannot add another dock or fingers. We decided to add 2 moorings. The package that came in the mail requires a rocket scientist to figure out! We had to draw a map of the shoreline as well as the abutting neighbors. Draw in existing docks and measurements. Then draw in existing moorings. It is like we are tattle tailing on our neighbors. They weren't too happy when we ask for measurements. We also had to document the boat registrations. We did this in the fall of 2000. After a few phone calls, we got an answer from the state in the fall of 2001. The state will only allow one mooring on the basis that the owner of the property only has one boat registered! Both abbutting neighbors have only one boat registered but were allowed two moorings as it was grandfathered! Not sure what it will be today. I hope the rules have changed. A good friend of mine bought property on 20 Mile Bay and the previous owner was not a boater. There is only a swim deck on the shore. He has 140' of frontage and is currently asking for a U shape dock and a mooring. He said the paperwork was not as bad as I explained it was 10 years ago. I wish him well. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

03-25-2010, 11:35 PM	#4
Bear Islander Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Bear Island Posts: 1,757 Thanks: 31 Thanked 429 Times in 203 Posts	I have two slips, two moorings and only two registered boats. They questioned my need for two moorings, but I explained that living on an island we must have a least one, and sometimes two slips available for visitors, deliveries, tradesmen etc. I even pointed out that our babysitter arrives by boat. Most people don't get the full impact of what living on an island means, you have to explain it in detail. Anyway it worked.

03-26-2010, 11:21 AM	#8
Little Bear Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 561 Thanks: 105 Thanked 237 Times in 126 Posts	Keep a copy Don't forget to make a copy of your application. The permit is only good for 5 years, so every 5 years you have to fill out the 4-page application again. I just send in the copy with pertinent information updated.

03-26-2010, 03:50 PM	#9
John A. Birdsall Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Norwich, CT Posts: 599 Thanks: 27 Thanked 51 Times in 35 Posts	moorings I have just reregistered my mooring, and have the new decal. It is my understanding of the rules that you must own 70' of beach frontage per mooring. So if a person has 100' it would be my understanding that they can only have one mooring. I can recall when there was no mooring criteria, let alone charges for the moorings We had one on each side of the boat house. However for awhile one was a raft. That was funny, as I recall that raft was very tippy. and we used the neighbors raft anyway. I have not had to go thru the big deal of every five years, I do know that every year you have to re-register it. I think I need to have to find out just when the last time it was submitted with all the drawings etc.