15% Ethanol nightmare

Diver1111 · 07-02-2009, 05:09 PM

BoatUS Magazine recently had a blurb about the heavy-duty lobbying going on now by the ethanol industry to bump ethanol to 15%; If you think you have problems now wait until 15% hits the pumps.

BoatUS is perhaps the most serious lobbying group we as boaters have aside from the NMMA. The EPA has not done any-as in none-testing on 15% ethanol according to BoatUS but is being pressured big-time to approve it on that basis anyway.

Much like voting, you have no right to complain IF you didn't at least vote i.e. make your voice and position heard. We may lose this one, but not without a fight.

That being said BoatUS provided a direct link to the the EPA to make your position clear on this-I just did it-super easy via the web.

Read the ugly details and send an email to the EPA via:

http://capwiz.com/nmma/home

BroadHopper · 07-02-2009, 05:37 PM

Another 'feel good' law that is badly needed after they screwed everything else up.

Winnipesaukee Divers · 07-02-2009, 06:28 PM

Just wait for January 2010 when federally mandated "B2" heating oil becomes the standard. That's 20% ethanol and 2013 it then changes to "B3" which is 30% ethanol. You can't begin to believe how well you old trusty oil burner going to run on that stuff. Just a few years ago #2 oil contained 144,000 BTU/gal. today its 138,000, come January it be degraded to 125,000 and on B3 down to 115,000. If you,re thinking of buying a new oil boiler/burner you'd better be looking a new low "NOX" burners they're the only ones that can handle the B2 efficiently.

What a nightmare this is going to be...

NoBozo · 07-02-2009, 06:50 PM

The only option seems to be 100LL Avgas. (100 Octane Low Lead) If someone could bring it (install a pump) at the dock...For Sale: OR you could drag it in cans from the airport..It might be an option, although 100LL is not cheap...and certainly overkill for just about everyone for regular use......it might save a real engine hassle the next season.

Just run a few gallons of 100LL through the engine, and carb, and leave the remaing 100LL in the tank for the winter....Run most of the Ethonal out of the tank first.

OR you could try what I call... "Miracle Grow" ....ie: the latest "Snake Oil" from Benny's.

NOTE: As long as Ethonal engines are RUN every week or so during the season, it may not be a problem. Just store it with 100LL in the carb and tank.

BroadHopper · 07-02-2009, 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBozo

The only option seems to be 100LL Avgas. (100 Octane Low Lead) If someone could bring it (install a pump) at the dock...For Sale: OR you could drag it in cans from the airport..It might be an option, although 100LL is not cheap...and certainly overkill for just about everyone for regular use......it might save a real engine hassle the next season.

Just run a few gallons of 100LL through the engine, and carb, and leave the remaing 100LL in the tank for the winter....Run most of the Ethonal out of the tank first.

OR you could try what I call... "Miracle Grow" ....ie: the latest "Snake Oil" from Benny's.

NOTE: As long as Ethonal engines are RUN every week or so during the season, it may not be a problem. Just store it with 100LL in the carb and tank.

Avgas is very 'dry'. It will scuff your rings and pistons. If you use Avgas make sure you mix Marvel Mystery Oil. I use it in my drag car "Wailin' Wedge".

Kamper · 07-02-2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Avgas is very 'dry'. ...

All gasoline is 'dry' since they took 'lead' out of the formula.

07-02-2009, 05:09 PM	#1
Diver1111 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Exeter NH Posts: 596 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,027 Times in 224 Posts	15% Ethanol nightmare BoatUS Magazine recently had a blurb about the heavy-duty lobbying going on now by the ethanol industry to bump ethanol to 15%; If you think you have problems now wait until 15% hits the pumps. BoatUS is perhaps the most serious lobbying group we as boaters have aside from the NMMA. The EPA has not done any-as in none-testing on 15% ethanol according to BoatUS but is being pressured big-time to approve it on that basis anyway. Much like voting, you have no right to complain IF you didn't at least vote i.e. make your voice and position heard. We may lose this one, but not without a fight. That being said BoatUS provided a direct link to the the EPA to make your position clear on this-I just did it-super easy via the web. Read the ugly details and send an email to the EPA via: http://capwiz.com/nmma/home

07-02-2009, 06:28 PM	#3
Winnipesaukee Divers Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Exeter, NH or @ WCYC on weekends Posts: 250 Thanks: 7 Thanked 46 Times in 28 Posts	If you think you got problems now... Just wait for January 2010 when federally mandated "B2" heating oil becomes the standard. That's 20% ethanol and 2013 it then changes to "B3" which is 30% ethanol. You can't begin to believe how well you old trusty oil burner going to run on that stuff. Just a few years ago #2 oil contained 144,000 BTU/gal. today its 138,000, come January it be degraded to 125,000 and on B3 down to 115,000. If you,re thinking of buying a new oil boiler/burner you'd better be looking a new low "NOX" burners they're the only ones that can handle the B2 efficiently. What a nightmare this is going to be...

07-02-2009, 06:50 PM	#4
NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	An Idea The only option seems to be 100LL Avgas. (100 Octane Low Lead) If someone could bring it (install a pump) at the dock...For Sale: OR you could drag it in cans from the airport..It might be an option, although 100LL is not cheap...and certainly overkill for just about everyone for regular use......it might save a real engine hassle the next season. Just run a few gallons of 100LL through the engine, and carb, and leave the remaing 100LL in the tank for the winter....Run most of the Ethonal out of the tank first. OR you could try what I call... "Miracle Grow" ....ie: the latest "Snake Oil" from Benny's. NOTE: As long as Ethonal engines are RUN every week or so during the season, it may not be a problem. Just store it with 100LL in the carb and tank.

07-02-2009, 05:37 PM	#2
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,509 Thanks: 3,116 Thanked 1,089 Times in 783 Posts	Feel good legislature Another 'feel good' law that is badly needed after they screwed everything else up. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.