Go Back   Winnipesaukee Forum > Winnipesaukee Forums > Winni Wildlife
Home Forums Gallery Webcams Blogs YouTube Channel Classifieds Calendar Register FAQDonate Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-07-2012, 08:17 PM   #1
islander10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sleepers/Florida
Posts: 17
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default Coyotes on Sleepers Island

We found a dead deer under our neighbor's deck early this spring. The smell was terrible! It was mostly bones. My husband dragged it up into the woods. Each time he has checked it, it has been moved. He thinks it has been moved at least 250 ft.up hill. He had taken off the antlers so there isn't much to grab on to. Not much is left, now. Our other neighbor's have found a recent kill of a turkey and a pile of droppings with berries. The droppings are the size of a dog. A little nervous when I take my 40lb dog up in the woods to do his business. What do you think?????
islander10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2012, 08:31 PM   #2
jkjoshuatree
Senior Member
 
jkjoshuatree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Bear Island
Posts: 642
Thanks: 349
Thanked 145 Times in 77 Posts
Default Certainly Sounds Like Coyotes

I'd bring a bat and be very, very loud when you're walking.
__________________
Dream out loud.
jkjoshuatree is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2012, 08:53 PM   #3
Jonas Pilot
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wolfeboro, New Hampshire is my home, 24-7-365
Posts: 1,686
Thanks: 1,047
Thanked 336 Times in 189 Posts
Default

A lot of strange things have happened on Winnie's islands. I don't think you should worry about what happened. But, I once heard an Indian legend about deer that were shot and killed by Abanakee warriors but never found. Usually, if they shot the deer late in the day and couldn't find it they would wait until the next day to start their search again. The night before they made sure they knew exactly where to start their search. They remembered where they last stood and where the deer should line up with. If the natives came back to that site and found the deer in a spot that was far from where they last saw it a great mumbling could be heard. "It has been moved!" 'What did this?' They would soon leave to find a place of less peoples and far from the bumpy territory of the high place.
Jonas Pilot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2012, 03:57 AM   #4
Belmont Resident
Senior Member
 
Belmont Resident's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine
Posts: 1,857
Thanks: 491
Thanked 409 Times in 251 Posts
Default Maybe not coyote

I'd be thinking a fisher cat before a coyote.
I doubt a single coyote could drag down a deer unless the deer was sick or injured.
Also I'm not sure Sleepers Island is big enough to support a pack of coyotes.
Have you heard them howling at night?
__________________
"better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, then a long life spent in a miserable way.."
Belmont Resident is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2012, 07:05 AM   #5
riverat
Senior Member
 
riverat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Alton, NH
Posts: 722
Thanks: 337
Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jkjoshuatree View Post
I'd bring a bat and be very, very loud when you're walking.
Ya!, a bat shaped like a shotgun.
__________________
Waking up in the morning is the greatest, everything after that is a bonus
riverat is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Old 05-08-2012, 07:09 AM   #6
Happy Gourmand
Senior Member
 
Happy Gourmand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Ruskin FL
Posts: 1,025
Thanks: 187
Thanked 322 Times in 179 Posts
Default droppings with berries...

"and a pile of droppings with berries. The droppings are the size of a dog."

bear?
Happy Gourmand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2012, 08:21 AM   #7
Knockers
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 22
Thanks: 14
Thanked 11 Times in 4 Posts
Wink 'Freaky' Bear of Sleepers island Found!!! (must use special bullets)

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/th...-the-Woods.jpg
Knockers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2012, 11:32 AM   #8
dippasan
Senior Member
 
dippasan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Hooksett NH and Sleepers Isl
Posts: 380
Thanks: 272
Thanked 160 Times in 73 Posts
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by islander10 View Post
We found a dead deer under our neighbor's deck early this spring. The smell was terrible! It was mostly bones. My husband dragged it up into the woods. Each time he has checked it, it has been moved. He thinks it has been moved at least 250 ft.up hill. He had taken off the antlers so there isn't much to grab on to. Not much is left, now. Our other neighbor's have found a recent kill of a turkey and a pile of droppings with berries. The droppings are the size of a dog. A little nervous when I take my 40lb dog up in the woods to do his business. What do you think?????
My little 10 pound mutt would be a light snack for either a Coyote or a Fischer cat. Sounds like a little lead poisoning may be in order....er...I mean catch and relocation of the poor displaced carnivore .
__________________
Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity
dippasan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2012, 04:36 PM   #9
islander10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sleepers/Florida
Posts: 17
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Talking

Thank you for the replies. I will be yelling and singing in the woods. Just like a crazy person. No comment dippasan!
islander10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 05:26 AM   #10
Kamper
Senior Member
 
Kamper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Thornton's Ferry
Posts: 1,295
Thanks: 67
Thanked 165 Times in 125 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by islander10 View Post
... The droppings are the size of a dog. ... (my 40lb dog) ...
Big droppings!

Did you see any tracks? It might actually be a dog.
Kamper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #11
Rattlesnake Gal
Senior Member
 
Rattlesnake Gal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Central NH
Posts: 5,252
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 1,447
Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts
Exclamation Oh, Deer!

A few years ago we found a deer carcass with what looked to be coyote scat nearby. (Dog sized scat with deer fur mixed in.) Over the years the bones keep disappearing. We have never seen or heard them, but other islanders have seen them. We keep a look out for coyotes and don't leave the dogs unattended or roaming free. Good luck. I know this is very unnerving.

riverat, I like how you think! Coyotes can be a real nuisance.
Rattlesnake Gal is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Rattlesnake Gal For This Useful Post:
islander10 (05-10-2012)
Old 05-09-2012, 01:53 PM   #12
BroadHopper
Senior Member
 
BroadHopper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Laconia NH
Posts: 5,504
Thanks: 3,113
Thanked 1,089 Times in 783 Posts
Default Dog packs

I'm not so sure that there would be a coyote. They usually run in a pack, never alone.

My best guess will be a pack of domestic dogs. A decade ago, a friend of mine on Sleepers caught a pack of dogs chasing a deer on the island.
__________________
Someday may never be an actual day.
BroadHopper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 02:30 PM   #13
Quilt Lady
Senior Member
 
Quilt Lady's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: West Alton, NH
Posts: 169
Thanks: 0
Thanked 25 Times in 11 Posts
Default but then again . . .

Late last winter I looked out of our lakeside windows and watched a lone coyote trotting along on the ice. Where he came from, I don't know but I watched as he made his way over to Sleepers Island. He went up onto the island at the Alton end. So you might have at least one coyote out there.

Personally, I would never use a baseball bat on a coyote. If he got that close, he would definitely be sick (rabies?) and I'm not about to go through those nasty shots. A trusty .38 special in the pocket (properly permitted, of course) would work for me. The noise alone would probably scare it off (and half of the residents as well).
__________________
QL

(Doing my best to encourage Global Warming ... one quilt at a time!)
Quilt Lady is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Quilt Lady For This Useful Post:
islander10 (05-10-2012), Pineedles (05-09-2012), Rattlesnake Gal (05-11-2012)
Old 05-09-2012, 04:50 PM   #14
Belmont Resident
Senior Member
 
Belmont Resident's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine
Posts: 1,857
Thanks: 491
Thanked 409 Times in 251 Posts
Default Coyote

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quilt Lady View Post
Late last winter I looked out of our lakeside windows and watched a lone coyote trotting along on the ice. Where he came from, I don't know but I watched as he made his way over to Sleepers Island. He went up onto the island at the Alton end. So you might have at least one coyote out there.

Personally, I would never use a baseball bat on a coyote. If he got that close, he would definitely be sick (rabies?) and I'm not about to go through those nasty shots. A trusty .38 special in the pocket (properly permitted, of course) would work for me. The noise alone would probably scare it off (and half of the residents as well).
We had a hunter set up on our property for bear a couple of years ago. One afternoon he was checking on his bait and saw 2 coyotes guarding it. When he approached instead of running they attacked him. He shot one and the other went into the brush only to come out on the opposite side and attack him. He didn’t kill either but got a bullet into both.
So don’t assume a threat or a gunshot will scare them off.
These animals seem to becoming more aggressive and more and more populated in the NE area.
__________________
"better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, then a long life spent in a miserable way.."
Belmont Resident is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2012, 07:08 PM   #15
Pineedles
Senior Member
 
Pineedles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Moultonborough & CT
Posts: 2,534
Thanks: 1,058
Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts
Default

That sounds like a highly unlikely scenario. I think your hunter wanted to start an urban legend of his own. Behavior of coyotes doesn't match this type of scenario. I should add that I am a hunter.
Pineedles is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2012, 06:24 AM   #16
Belmont Resident
Senior Member
 
Belmont Resident's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Belmont NH but prefer Jackman Maine
Posts: 1,857
Thanks: 491
Thanked 409 Times in 251 Posts
Default really

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pineedles View Post
That sounds like a highly unlikely scenario. I think your hunter wanted to start an urban legend of his own. Behavior of coyotes doesn't match this type of scenario. I should add that I am a hunter.
Well from what I understand bear bait makes for a great meal and it would stand to reason that two feeding animals might want to protect their meal.
Given coyotes growing unpredictability in their interaction with humans and other animals, mainly our pets as a food source, I find it hard that someone who supposedly calls themselves a hunter would discredit this from happening.
Given this hunter had absolutely no reason to make up a story about what just had happened, maybe you don’t spend enough time in the woods to have gathered enough information to base your disagreement on.
Although I do not hunt myself, I do watch a lot of educational programs on TV. Many of these programs are focusing on what effect urban sprawl is having on animal behavior and how climate change is causing many animals to change as well.
To say that this could not happen pretty shows that you might be somewhat ignorant to wildlife behavior. Calling yourself a hunter and understanding animal behavior are two different things.
After all there are many who call themselves hunters who drive around the backwoods of NH and ME looking for something to shoot at, AKA heater hunters. Unless your trudging through the woods stalking your prey or setting a tree stand in a likely spot that you have scoped out your not really a hunter.
I found it odd that a coyote would drag a deer under a house because they are not known to come around where human scent is unless they are looking for food. To hide a carcass under a house is most unusual for a coyote, but being it was an empty camp maybe not.
__________________
"better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, then a long life spent in a miserable way.."
Belmont Resident is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2012, 07:01 AM   #17
Pineedles
Senior Member
 
Pineedles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Moultonborough & CT
Posts: 2,534
Thanks: 1,058
Thanked 652 Times in 363 Posts
Default Really

I'm not "ignorant" enough to get dragged into a name calling fight with you BR.
Pineedles is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Pineedles For This Useful Post:
Billy Bob (05-13-2012), meredith weekender (05-13-2012)
Old 05-10-2012, 07:46 AM   #18
SIKSUKR
Senior Member
 
SIKSUKR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 5,075
Thanks: 215
Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts
Default

I'm not a hunter but I did stay in a Holiday Inn.
__________________
SIKSUKR
SIKSUKR is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to SIKSUKR For This Useful Post:
Jonas Pilot (05-10-2012), Rattlesnake Gal (05-11-2012), SteveA (05-12-2012)
Old 05-10-2012, 08:02 AM   #19
AC2717
Senior Member
 
AC2717's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay
Posts: 2,520
Thanks: 742
Thanked 344 Times in 257 Posts
Default

we should send Siksukr after it, he is a tazmanian devil after all
__________________
Capt. of the "No Worries"
AC2717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2012, 08:20 AM   #20
islander10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sleepers/Florida
Posts: 17
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

Thanks again. I don't think the deer was dragged under the porch. It was just laying there, rotting. It has been dragged since it has been up in the woods.
islander10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2012, 08:43 AM   #21
dippasan
Senior Member
 
dippasan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Hooksett NH and Sleepers Isl
Posts: 380
Thanks: 272
Thanked 160 Times in 73 Posts
Default

It amazes me, in the very short time that I have been a member and reading the forum, how many threads end up getting nasty.
I'm convinced that a thread about baking brownies would make someone mad.
__________________
Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity
dippasan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to dippasan For This Useful Post:
KPW (05-10-2012)
Old 05-10-2012, 09:30 AM   #22
RailroadJoe
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 620
Thanks: 259
Thanked 158 Times in 100 Posts
Default

DIPPISAN You don't remember the Girl Scout cookie episode?
RailroadJoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2012, 09:37 AM   #23
dippasan
Senior Member
 
dippasan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Hooksett NH and Sleepers Isl
Posts: 380
Thanks: 272
Thanked 160 Times in 73 Posts
Default

Ha Ha Perfect!
Tagalongs or Samoa's...could be war!
__________________
Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity
dippasan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-11-2012, 07:35 AM   #24
Rattlesnake Gal
Senior Member
 
Rattlesnake Gal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Central NH
Posts: 5,252
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 1,447
Thanked 1,349 Times in 475 Posts
Question Deer

Is it possible that the deer was sickly and was trying to hide under the deck and the coyote happened across an easy meal? I know for a fact that animals do venture under camps during the winter.
Rattlesnake Gal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2012, 03:57 PM   #25
islander10
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Sleepers/Florida
Posts: 17
Thanks: 2
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default

So, one neighbor saw a coyote twice last year and two have heard it howl, this year!
Guess it is a coyote!!!
islander10 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-12-2012, 04:25 PM   #26
SteveA
Deceased Member
 
SteveA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Gilford, NH
Posts: 2,311
Thanks: 1,070
Thanked 2,053 Times in 496 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SIKSUKR View Post
I'm not a hunter but I did stay in a Holiday Inn.
Ya.. but, was it a Holiday Inn 'Express" the regular Holiday Inns make you less smart!
__________________
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, if he gets angry he'll be a mile away and barefoot!" unknown
SteveA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-13-2012, 08:08 AM   #27
meredith weekender
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Meredith / Manchester
Posts: 373
Thanks: 87
Thanked 83 Times in 56 Posts
Default War!!!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by dippasan View Post
Ha Ha Perfect!
Tagalongs or Samoa's...could be war!

DOSIDOS Rule!!!!!!!!!
meredith weekender is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2012, 06:04 AM   #28
dpg
Senior Member
 
dpg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 2,559
Thanks: 149
Thanked 229 Times in 166 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal View Post
Is it possible that the deer was sickly and was trying to hide under the deck and the coyote happened across an easy meal? I know for a fact that animals do venture under camps during the winter.
In my opinion that's exactly what happened. It very easly could of been wounded and chased under the camp. The last thing you want to do after hunting and wounding a deer is start after it right away. Best to wait awhile if it was wounded bad enough it will bed down somewhere and die there.
dpg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-14-2012, 07:59 PM   #29
dippasan
Senior Member
 
dippasan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Hooksett NH and Sleepers Isl
Posts: 380
Thanks: 272
Thanked 160 Times in 73 Posts
Default

Well, I was on my deck around 11:00 pm last Friday night and heard several "howls". Had 4 other guy's come out of the house to hear the sound and we all agreed that it had to be a coyote. I am on the southern side of the island and it sounded pretty close.
It sounded as though there was only one and we heard no "return" howls.
Keep a close eye on your pets. Coyote's will eat just about anything.
__________________
Luck is when preparedness meets opportunity
dippasan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2012, 09:35 AM   #30
islandMike
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Default another turkey kill on sleepers

My kids were walking Sleepers Island last weekend and found another Turkey kill near the center. They saw fresh deer tracks and also observed several other live turkeys, so there is still "natural" wildlife prey left on the Island. I have no idea how long the "natural" wildlife prey will last before the coyotes start looking for other prey. Does anyone have any ideas about dealing with the coyotes? We have fenced in our property to keep our dogs contained, but they do "escape" on occasion. I would hate to hear a story about a "lost pet" on sleepers.
islandMike is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.

This page was generated in 0.25552 seconds