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07-17-2014, 11:38 AM | #1 |
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Another Hit and Run at Wolfeboro Town Dock, Red Stingray
This was last Saturday July 12th at 1:30 in the afternoon. As we were standing next to the hot dog cart a red 22' (approximately) Sting ray with the NH Hull id of NH? 24_1_J backed out of the front space and decided to play bumper boats with our boat, a cobalt and another one. There were two middle age couples in the boat and not one of them even tried to push off another boat nor did the driver even lift up his head. When we ran down the dock and yelled to the boat the driver completely ignored us and didn't even look up and drove away. First off why are SOME boaters this rude that will do not care at all about other peoples property and that of there own. We were able to get some of the hull numbers and marine patrol is looking into it but with limited resources and help they may not get to it for a while. If anyone can help fill in blanks on the Hull ID please PM me. As rude and wrong as this was I wouldn't want the rest of there hull id for everyone to see as it may of been a honest mistake....Ya right if they were def and blind maybe.
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Fenders
I always put more fenders on the side opposite the dock to try and protect my boat. I also suggest pulling as far in as possible to avoid as many people going in and out as possible.
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07-17-2014, 08:26 PM | #3 |
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That really s##ks
I hope they get caught. |
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This is always been somewhat of a issue but in the past we have always saw people in the boat helping so there was no damage or we on the dicks would help. This guy was going so fast there was no helping him.
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If the bow number is NH then the last letters must be AJ or BJ since they have not gotten to the letter "C" yet. That only leaves one number missing and a maximum of 20 boats registration to look at to find a red Sting Ray.
I would think the Marine Patrol could figure this out. |
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I understand your frustration with this person but was there any injuries or property damage?
I would guess if someone was injured the Marina Patrol would be scouring the registration data as BI says and finding the perpetrator. If you have property damage, submit a claim to your insurance company and get them on same mission. It wasn't me in the Stingray but I have bumped boats while docking, that's why I have rub rails, fenders and insurance. Accidents happen. |
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why stop
agree with previous post . You don't mention any damage so whats the point ?
what were you going to say to the guy if there was no damage. Get over it , its just a boat |
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I would have followed them out, asked them to see if there was any damage and taken their bow number. " Get over it"?! Hell no! |
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I guess my question address the lack of success finding the perpetrator. The Marine Patrol is not really incentivized to find them unless a crime was committed. If there are damages then obviously people can pursue reparations.
Otherwise, what's the point, find them and yell at them? |
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There are people that care very much about the cosmetic appearance of there stuff. We are the ones that park at the back of the parking lot with our cars and have extra fenders out at the dock. We don't go through auto car washes or strap mattersses to our roofs.
There are other people that do not feel the same way or even care at all so a scratch or ding is just normal wear and tear. It stinks, but I have come to just accept the fact my car will be dinged unless I park with my own kind WAAAAAY away from everyone else. Its the same with boats, the inside spots are the only place if you don't want gouges on your hull. Unfortunatly they are not always available. |
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There was damage in three area's that are not something that would just buff out. We did call the insurance company and hopefully they will have better luck with marine patrol than we did.
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It is getting worse here than other places we boat, I guess it is part of the safe boating environment that was desired by a few. And the rental boat issue needs attention, the danger and accidents waiting to happen there should be causing concern to everyone that values their safety and their property. **Rant End** |
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Is there a penalty for "hit and run" in a boat, like there is, say, in a car? In a car, it carries a stiff penalty, loss of driving privledges in some states, I believe. What is the rule of thumb for boats in NH?
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Another Hit and Run at Wolfeboro Town Dock, Red Stingray
It's the point that some people should not be behind the wheel of a boat. There should be some type of penalty for these "dumb ass" who have no clue at all how to boat or how to dock. Yes most of us have insurance but what about the 2-3 weeks the boat is in repair.... It's not like you can get rental coverage on your boat like a automobile. So some ID10T trashes three boats, doesn't stop and if he did he gets a slap on the wrist from the MP as there is no fine (that I know of) for boaters like that of a auto.
BTW spoke to MP and they did say they can and will the rest of the hull ID but there is nothing they can do legally but forward to our insurance company. Last edited by Red apple; 07-18-2014 at 10:32 PM. Reason: not complete |
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I agree, some people just don't care. They break the rules every day. Instead of spending the money on the courses, which must be an awful lot, we could spend more on enforcement. That is the only real deterrent. I don't see it happening now though, as "licenses" (even though they are not called that) are a big bureaucracy, not only in this state but all over the country.
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We could do it this way, if you see an event, take a pic and post it. In this pic from the weirs a few Saturdays ago, the driver is standing on the bow trying to recover from real bad docking skills. The worst part, the boat was still in gear and going forward without a driver when it hit the boats.
After hitting the boats, they drove off laughing. |
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All regulations take away freedoms.
But leaving the libertarian stuff aside, how could you possibly have driving tests for boaters without government infrastructure? Since different types of boat react differently while docking, you need different levels of licenses and tests. You can't have someone take the test in a 16' outboard and then drive a 38' Carver. You need trained marine patrol people to write administer and grade the testing. What we all really want is people to be responsible for their actions. If you damage someone's property, fess up and pay for it. We already have that law. BTW docking is hard, even really good licensed captains make mistakes. |
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As to boat numbers, the missing letter would most likely be a "B". Having said that, I'd advise not pursuing the case any further by "making it personal". |
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I guess with all the problems of the world, a few scofflaws scratching boats at the town docks doesn't seem worthy of a new government bureaucracy.
Apples and oranges, poor driving skills on a motorcycle can kill people, poor docking skills might lead to some minor property damage. You'd really have to stretch the bounds of believability to find a serious injury related to docking a pleasure boat. |
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While it does s*** when it happens think how you would feel if were yours. I for one wouldn't be to warm and fuzzy. If I can give you help having had a Stingray in the past they are pretty easy to narrow down model by color. If it was a solid red it would be an SX model and to my knowledge only one on the lake full time a 220SX
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Just to be clear, I'm not against people being responsible for damage they cause or people searching for people who damage their property.
I am against installing a government bureaucracy to test pleasure boater docking skills, a mandatory licensing system to insure that people have their docking skills tested and an armed police force to enforce all this. |
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And now it was my boat that was hit.
I was getting Ice Cream with the kids late Sunday, eating it in the gazebo when we saw a boat trying to dock on the end of an empty dock that was across from where we docked. The back then swung out and the driver hit reverse and it was hard to tell if the swim platform hit out boat or if the girl attempting to save it on the back pushed our boat into the dock making the loud noise. We inspected ours and luckily there was no visual damage (I swam under it when I got home to make sure and it looked ok).
We then walked over to the people on the boat and the girl immediately started saying that they didn't hit it and whats the issue. Then the driver said and I quote "the bimini top on this new boat acts like a sail when docking and I can't control it". I not nicely suggested to him that he learn to boat and if he can't dock on an empty dock that he shouldn't be boating until he learns. It was a nice brand new mastercraft wakeboard boat and you would think that he would be more upset that he backed into another boat. Glad there was no damage, but the docks were empty and all ends were open, its not like he was going for deep and needed any skill to dock. |
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Does a Mastercraft wakeboard boat have a straight inboard or a Vee drive?
I wonder if he was accustomed to working with the directed thrust that a stern drive provides. |
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Docking Tests
Not only would tests for docking need a new government bureaucracy but it would not be a successful answer. Testing someone at Meredith on a Wednesday with the sun shining and no wind is a lot different than docking a boat at a dock off the Broads on a weekend with the wind blowing white caps across the lake.
The only answer is experience and to get that, there will be accidents. As was pointed out earlier in the thread, the issue is taking responsibility for your actions, not relying on government to assume an impossible task. |
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Always amazes me to see someone fighting the wind, while docking or anchoring, with their bimini up.
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It's not the Bimini. It's the side curtains. The wind blows horizontally, right? Are you showing canvas to the wind or the rain?
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1) The discussion starts with "Hit and Run"—which doesn't apply here—it's not a criminal matter. I see it used with respect to struck pedestrians or disabling auto crashes, where the perpetrator flees the scene. Since the "offended" here have no damage that approaches "nine coats of varnish" (on a mahogany Laker), this doesn't rate serious discussion. 2) Years ago. somebody ran their boat into our piling dock—no damage to the dock, but they'd hit hard enough to leave their modern docking light behind. Like our dock, Wolfeboro town docks are perched on long wooden pilings, which will "yield" a bit to limit boat damage. (Facing the end, try moving a town dock—by shifting your weight alternately to left and right—you'd be surprised!) 3) Britain (UK) requires very high standards when it comes to boating licenses: boat operators are required to demonstrate sailing, rowing, paddling and weather-determination skills. We don't have any of those skills demanded or tested here. The above skills ease the transition to power boating, rather than beginning one's long boating adventure with an oversized boat. Book title: "First, Row a Small Boat". 4) As to "weather skills", the below photo is a boater who is running from a recent thunderstorm. (Note the direction of the waves). He headed out of sight—to a dead end—then turned around to head directly back into the approaching storm. Boaters should always have safety options ahead of time—and be aware of weather changes. . Last edited by ApS; 08-13-2014 at 03:01 PM. Reason: tidy... |
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