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Old 02-11-2012, 10:20 PM   #1
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Default Two snowmobiles through the ice 2-11 night

WMUR and Union Leader reported that two snowmobiles through the ice. They were rescued by an airboat from Moultonboro FD. Good outcome to what could have been a disasterous situation.

Here's the link: http://www.unionleader.com/article/2...WS07/120219986
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If the report is accurate, it's hard to believe that anyone was out on The Broads after dark with these conditions. They are very lucky that it ended well.
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This story was updated at 1:03 am.

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ALTON, N.H. -- Authorities rescued two snowmobilers on Lake Winnipesaukee in the area of the Broads on Saturday.

Gilford firefighters said they received a call from one of the two snowmobilers who said that he was riding with a friend, but when he turned to look back, he could no longer see him. Firefighters said the snowmobiler told them that when he turned around to look for his friend, he went through the ice himself. He was able to get himself out and call for help.

GPS coordinates from his phone indicated he was in an area approximately 1 mile east of Welch Island and 1 mile south of Sandy Island, rescuers said. An initial staging area was established at Ames Farm Inn and then moved to Lakeshore Park.

Rescuers said a DHART helicopter was able to locate one snowmobiler in the area identified on the initial call, and a Tuftonboro’s air boat was sent to the scene.

Crews were able to rescue a man and transported him to Lakeshore Park in Gilford. He was then transported to Lakes Region General Hospital by ambulance for evaluation for hypothermia.

Rescuers said the second victim had made his way to shore in Tuftonboro and was transported to Huggins Hospital by ambulance. The second man was transferred to Gilford's ambulance at Lakeshore Park.

"We have been hearing that ice conditions are very poor and this drives that point home. There are numerous ice ridges that have created open water -- even in the middle of the lake. These guys were extremely lucky that they weren’t more seriously injured, and that they had a phone that they could use and that could help them be located," said Gilford Fire Chief Stephen Carrier.

Alton Fire Department, Tuftonboro Fire Department, DHART, Gilford Fire-Rescue, Gilford Police Department, and NH Fish & Game assisted at the scene.

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Default Evidently only 1 snowmobile, two riders.

Reports this morning indicate only one machine, two riders. Also, DHART helicopter was involved in the rescue. Not to mention all the rescue personnel whose lives were put in danger. The only good thing is that no one lost their life.

And I agree MM, what were they thinking? There certainly has been enough news reports about the ice and open water. It just makes me shake my head.
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Default I hope it costs 'em.

They should be charged for the costs of their rescue.
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I was wondering what was going on arouns 9:00pm. The rescue hellicopter was in the West side at the end of Long Island searching the lake.
I figured that someone went through!
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Excellent work by the men and women of Tuftonboro Fire/Rescue.
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I sure hope the state comes after them for the full rescue cost and starts fining them daily for the sleds in the lake. Will probably be ice out before they can retrieve the sleds.

You really wonder how people can be this stupid.
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They should be charged for the costs of their rescue.
If this was a case of hikers being rescued in the White Mountains and the hikers had blatantly ignored widely publicized warnings of unsafe conditions, they would be charged for the rescue costs.

Good to hear that the snowmobiles were rescued. However if the reports on how it came about are true, then they should pay-up.

In addition to the cost of the rescue, a number of rescue personnel were put at serious risk.
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Is the snowmobile on the bottom of the lake???
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Sandy Island's Fire Brigade drills with Tuftonboro Fire Department at the start of our season (which is how my daughter ended up engaged to one of their members!). All of the men and women that we have met from the department are wonderful people, and I would hate to think that any of them - or those from the other responding departments - might have come to harm because of someone's stupidity. Accidents happen - but this was totally assinine!

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Default Judgement day is just ahead...

If what I hear is correct, these boneheads will be seeing the Judge in March. Cited for OUI. Currently free on bail. No law against stupidity, hence not cited for that.
It would be really special if the Judge is a regular visitor to this forum.
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Is the snowmobile on the bottom of the lake???
Snowmos don't float so well, unfortunately. But dumb and dumber will soon find out how expensive their mis-adventure was when they get the bill for the recovery. Maybe they can charge them with skimming too. Lol.
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WMUR update:

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ALTON, N.H. -- Authorities have charged two snowmobilers with OUI after rescuing them from Lake Winnipesaukee late Saturday.

Gilford firefighters said they received a 911 call from Jason Quin, 32, of Nashua who reported that he and a friend had fallen through the ice. Officials said Quin managed to pull himself out of the water but he remained stranded on the ice.

Neighbors also called for help after seeing the second snowmobiler, Derek Couture, 33, of Manchester, fall through the ice near the shore line.

"We have been hearing that ice conditions are very poor and this drives that point home. There are numerous ice ridges that have created open water -- even in the middle of the lake. These guys were extremely lucky that they weren’t more seriously injured, and that they had a phone that they could use and that could help them be located," said Gilford Fire Chief Stephen Carrier.

Quin was transported by DART helicopter to Lakes Region General Hospital where he was evaluated for hypothermia. Couture was transported by ambulance to Huggins Hospital in Wolfeboro.

Both men were treated and released before they were charged. Both men were free on bail Sunday morning and were due in court in March.

Alton Fire Department, Tuftonboro Fire Department, DHART, Gilford Fire-Rescue, Gilford Police Department, and NH Fish & Game assisted at the scene.
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My husband often quotes: "Apparently, God watches out for drunks and fools.." These guys seemed to have covered both bases.
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Darwin also awards drunks and fools too!

I can't even begin to express the stupidity of these two. Even worse, those of us that are hardcore snowmobilers have to fight the public image that is left when stuff like this happens.

Kudos to the folks that risk their own life to go out and rescue these guys.
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There basically no snow on the lake, tough on the tracks and nothing to cool the sled unless it is air cooled. Pretty dumb. Was on Blackies cove, ice was 8 to 14 inches thick. Snowmobiles stayed locked up though.
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Does anyone know where they fell in/lost the sled?

I was watching the helicopter shine the light down on the lake last night. Could also see flashing lights on the lake, which must have been a rescue vehicle (ATV, sled or airboat)? I turned on my hand-held NAV/COM radio and heard the DHART helicopter broadcasting to Laconia traffic.
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If the DHART Helicopter is from Dartmouth Medical Center.....in the past, that was a Eurocopter Dauphin. (French) The US Coast Guard uses them for SAR. Not cheap.

Like Woodsy says: "You Can't Fix Stupid." NB

PS: Trouble is: There is No Law against STUPID.
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A couple of Dunkin Dumbnuts.....
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PS: Trouble is: There is No Law against STUPID.
When we lived in Bossier City LA, we had a friend who was a city cop. He always maintained that the city needed to add one more law on the books, and he could write tickets all day long. The charge: Aggravated Ignorance.

Unfortunately, you can not legislate against stupidity.
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If the DHART Helicopter is from Dartmouth Medical Center.....in the past, that was a Eurocopter Dauphin. (French) The US Coast Guard uses them for SAR. Not cheap.

Like Woodsy says: "You Can't Fix Stupid." NB

PS: Trouble is: There is No Law against STUPID.
Here's the info on the DHART chopper. They are made in the USA by American Eurocopter. DHART operates two of these choppers: one based in Lebanon, one based in Manchester.

http://www.eurocopterusa.com/about_u...try_leader.asp
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Supposedly, the cash price as opposed to the health insurance price, for a helicopter ambulance ride in the DHART helicopter is $14,000 .........anybody have any experience with that?
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Supposedly, the cash price as opposed to the health insurance price, for a helicopter ambulance ride in the DHART helicopter is $14,000 .........anybody have any experience with that?
Yes, a fellow business owner over here on the Sunapee side of the state, broke his arm in three places while snowmobiling in Pittsburg. Because of the condition of his break, he was given the option of ambulance transportation through 3 hospitals enroute to Dartmouth or they could call in DHART. His ride in DHART 1 cost his insurance company $12,400. That was 2 years ago.
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I hope he enjoyed the ride. It must have been pretty exciting. The price is a lot cheaper at the Sandwich Fair though.
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I hope he enjoyed the ride. It must have been pretty exciting. The price is a lot cheaper at the Sandwich Fair though.
He did actually say it was pretty neat, though the view is non existent. It is not the kind of ride you really ever wish to tell a story about.


I would also have to think that the price his Ins Co paid was directly relative to the care he received and distance traveled. I do not think for even a minute that there is a set rate for their services.
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Well given nothing can be done until spring to recover the sleds. Ice will not support recovery. The daily fine for the sleds being in the lake alone should add up to quite a large sum of money. Then there is the lawyers fee for the DWI which will probably be pennies compared to the fine from the sleds being in the lake.
I'd say what comes around will be going around for these two.
Anyone know the daily rate for sleds in the lake?
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I have told today that the recovery crew will be using an air boat tomorrow to start the recovery of the sled(s) in about 108 feet of water.

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I have told today that the recovery crew will be using an air boat tomorrow to start the recovery of the sled(s) in about 108 feet of water.
1 mile south of there and it could have been in 200 ft.
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Anyone close enough to get pics of the event?
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I was thinking the same thing. I hope some one takes pictures of the recovery and posts them here.
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If you missed it, there was some raw footage of the actual rescue in the WMUR news report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2j_s1JGmzQ
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If you missed it, there was some raw footage of the actual rescue in the WMUR news report.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2j_s1JGmzQ
There is another video on Youtube of the same rescue posted by Dscan27 and it shows the airboat arriving back to the shore and the injured being taken off. If you listen to around the middle of the video, you hear a voice say to the camerman (and I assume is a police officer) and say, "you can't video or take pictures...is that clear"

Whats up with that?
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One of the sleds was recovered from 125 feet of water by divers from Dive Winnipesaukee on Sunday.
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One of the sleds was recovered from 125 feet of water by divers from Dive Winnipesaukee on Sunday.
What is the daily fine for being in the water?
Well even if the guy beats the rap there is no way around the fine and recovery cost. Hopefully they learned their lesson but something tells me differently.
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When I went through with my Polaris Ranger a couple years ago on Winni, I was informed by the fire department that I had 72 hours to get it out or I would be fined by D.E.S. $1000.00 per day for every day it was left in. I had it out in 12 hours!!

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When I went through with my Polaris Ranger a couple years ago on Winni, I was informed by the fire department that I had 72 hours to get it out or I would be fined by D.E.S. $1000.00 per day for every day it was left in. I had it out in 12 hours!!

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I'm curious, what was your retrieval cost?
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I'm curious, what was your retrieval cost?
It was right around $5,000.00 Insurance paid 100% of the cost (Allstate). Normal retrieval cost should have been around $3000.00 but my options were very limited and at the time I didn't know any better. That won't happen again!!

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It was right around $5,000.00 Insurance paid 100% of the cost (Allstate). Normal retrieval cost should have been around $3000.00 but my options were very limited and at the time I didn't know any better. That won't happen again!!

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I did not know that insurance covered going through the ice.
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I did not know that insurance covered going through the ice.
I would imagine it is like any other accident. However, after having this type of accident your next year premium would be quite steep.
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I did not know that insurance covered going through the ice.
As long as it's an "ATV" you are covered. An automobile would not be covered going through the ice. A snowmobile would also be covered.

Secondcurve, my premiums did not change one penny as this was covered under my plans comprehensive coverage. Had this been a collision with another vehicle / ATV I am sure my premiums would have been adjusted.

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Edited to add: Best to check your policy regarding ice break through coverage as any insurance company can have exceptions. I confirmed with Allstate that I was in fact fully covered before signing on as I would only be using the Polaris Ranger on ice. Can't say enough good about Allstate and how they handled this unfortunate incident.
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As long as it's an "ATV" you are covered. An automobile would not be covered going through the ice. A snowmobile would also be covered.

Secondcurve, my premiums did not change one penny as this was covered under my plans comprehensive coverage. Had this been a collision with another vehicle / ATV I am sure my premiums would have been adjusted.

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I think it may depend on the policy. My agent tells me I'm covered if my truck goes through the ice. I ask every winter to be sure.
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I think it may depend on the policy. My agent tells me I'm covered if my truck goes through the ice. I ask every winter to be sure.
My understanding is that you need an off road policy rider (IIRC) to be covered if you go through with a car.
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