Alleged facts repeated over and over again do NOT make them true or more true. A Bear Islander tactic: responded to me by asking me a question then a few messages later, to "save me the time", he answers the question himself, his way.
Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que - Post #414 (as quoted by BI):
... We have a law (Skip may need to quote it) about reasonable speed. Don't put words in my mouth please. 300 mph is way too fast to be a reasonable speed on the lake IMO.
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Originally Posted by Bear Islander msg #416
Please give me more detail on the "reasonable speed" law.
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Bear Islander answering for me with
what he wants us to believe.
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Originally Posted by Bear Islander msg 419
I will save you some time. There is no such law. I have been told many times that such a law exists, it doesn't. When people look and can't find it they come up with this instead...
270:29-a Careless and Negligent Operation of Boats. – Any person who shall operate a power boat upon any waters of the state in a careless and negligent manner or so that the lives and safety of the public are endangered shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
If you are really desperate for an answer I suppose "careless and negligent" can look like "reasonable speed" but of course it isn't.
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That is all Bear Islander can come up with in desperation (in my name). Here's more info than we need however it is proof of NH speed regulations.
I can come up with these without BI's kind assistance.
I apologize to forum readers for the length of this post and have made a few notes about skimming or jumping over certain boring parts.
TITLE XXII
NAVIGATION; HARBORS; COAST SURVEY
CHAPTER 270-D
BOATING AND WATER SAFETY ON NEW HAMPSHIRE PUBLIC WATERS
Section 270-D:2-a
270-D:2-a Boaters Guide. – The department of safety, division of safety services, shall publish the New Hampshire Boaters guide. Source:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/.../270-D-2-a.htm
From the State mandated Safe Boating handbook guide:
Handbook - safe speed and distance:
http://www.boat-ed.com/nh/handbook/meet.htm
Boating Basics: On the Water
Safe navigation on New Hampshire waterways is everyone's responsibility. All operators are equally responsible for taking action necessary to avoid collisions.
Encountering Other Vessels
Even though no vessel has the "right-of-way" over another vessel, there are some rules that every operator should follow when encountering other vessels. It is the responsibility of both operators to take the action needed to avoid a collision. The navigation rules page shows what to do when encountering another vessel.
To prevent collisions, every operator should follow the three basic rules of navigation.
* Practice good seamanship.
* Keep a sharp lookout.
* Maintain a safe speed and distance.
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Some have claimed that the required handbook is not always correct. And maybe BI can claim that "safe speed" does not look like "reasonable speed". So I present more boating speed rules from the New Hampshire General Court.
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Speed on Lake:
The page:
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...-D/270-D-2.htm
CHAPTER 270-D
BOATING AND WATER SAFETY ON NEW HAMPSHIRE PUBLIC WATERS
Section 270-D:2
270-D:2 General Rules for Vessels Operating on Water. –
I. Vessels shall be operated at
headway speed only, while passing under all bridges.
II. (a) It shall be the duty of each vessel to keep to the right when vessels are approaching each other head on.
(b) When the courses of vessels are so far to the starboard of each other as not to be considered as approaching head on, they shall keep to the left.
III. When vessels are crossing courses or approaching each other in an oblique direction which may involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on its starboard side shall keep out of the way of the other,
allowing the latter vessel to keep its course and speed.
IV. When vessels are running in the same direction and the vessel which is astern desires to pass the other, it shall do so only when sufficient distance between the vessels is available
to avoid danger of collision, and at such a speed that its wake will not endanger the boat being passed or its occupants. No person operating a vessel shall abruptly change its course without first determining that it can safely be done without crossing immediately ahead of another vessel.
V. If, when vessels are approaching each other, either vessel fails to understand the course or intention of the other from any cause,
such vessel or vessels shall immediately slow to a speed barely sufficient for steerage until the vessels have safely passed each other. If it appears the danger of collision is imminent both vessels shall stop or reverse and not proceed until such danger has been averted.
VI. (a) To provide full visibility and control and to prevent their wake from being thrown into or causing excessive rocking to other boats, barges, water skiers, aquaplanes or other boats, rafts or floats, all vessels shall maintain
headway speed when within 150 feet from:
(1) Rafts, floats, swimmers.
(2) Permitted swimming areas.
(3) Shore.
(4) Docks.
(5) Mooring fields.
(6) Other vessels.
(b) These requirements shall not apply when:
(1) Starting skiers from shore, docks or floats, as long as neither the boat nor the skier is endangering the life or safety of any person.
(2) A vessel is in the federal deepwater shipping channel of the Piscataqua River between navigation buoys R2, Wood Island at the mouth of the river and R12, opposite the Sprague Terminal.
(c) The operator of a towing boat shall be responsible for compliance with this paragraph.
(d) The requirements of RSA 270-D:2, VI(a)(3) shall not apply to a vessel in the waters of the Androscoggin River from the Errol Dam to Umbagog Lake or in the waters of the Magalloway River within the state of New Hampshire.
VI-a. [Repealed.]
VII. When a vessel is given the right-of-way, such vessel shall hold its course
and maintain such speed as the circumstances prudently permit.
VIII. When a vessel is required to keep out of the way of another,
it shall, if necessary, slacken its speed, stop, or reverse, and avoid crossing ahead of any other vessel.
IX. Canoes, rowboats and sailboats shall be given the right-of-way.
This requirement shall not be construed to allow deliberate impediment of motorboats by canoes, rowboats or sailboats.
Source. 1990, 171:1. 1994, 78:1. 1995, 191:2, eff. June 1, 1997; 191:3, eff. Dec. 31, 1998. 2002, 272:13, eff. May 18, 2002.
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The next batch of speed rules for the lake get to be pretty boring to read. You may want to skim down past all the “no wake zone” speed restrictions to PART Saf-C 404 BOATING RULES for other NH boat speed rules
Saf-C 402.88 Lake Winnipesaukee.
(a) That part of Paugus Bay between the buoy located 250 feet from the west side of the bay to the western-most black top buoy shall be a
"no wake" area.
(b) The Weirs Channel, so-called, between the light buoy in said channel near the Endicott Rock in Lake Winnipesaukee, and the southernmost light buoy in the channel in Lake Paugus shall be a
"no wake" area.
(c) That part of Alton Bay in Lake Winnipesaukee lying south of the line running east and west through the bandstand shall be a
"no wake" area. Commercial vessels operating in this area shall pass on the east side of the bandstand.
(d) Between the red top buoy located by light buoy #23 and Sandy Point in Alton Bay shall be a
"no wake" area in either direction.
(e) That portion of Lake Winnipesaukee known as Sally's Gut from the easternmost to the westernmost buoys marking this passage shall be a
"no wake" area in either direction.
(f) From the red and white buoy situated off the southeasterly portion of Locke's Island in Lake Winnipesaukee to a point 600 feet northerly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(g) From the red and white buoy at the entrance of Smith's Cove at Glendale and southwesterly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(h) The channel between Loon Island and the mainland in the town of Meredith from the red buoy situated off the southeast portion of Loon Island to a point 400 feet northerly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(i) On Lake Winnipesaukee in the channel between Varney and Kenniston Islands from the black and white buoy marking the southeast entrance to the red buoy marking the northwest entrance of the channel shall be a
"no wake" area.
(j) On Lake Winnipesaukee in the channel between Pine Island and Meredith Neck between the black and white buoy and the red buoy marking the northerly and southerly entrances respectively shall be a
"no wake" area.
(k) On Lake Winnipesaukee in the channel between Horse Island and Meredith Neck, between the red buoy on the southerly approach and the black and white buoy at the northeasterly approach to the channel shall be a
"no wake" area.
(l) Between navigation light number 69 and Governor's Island Bridge shall be a
"no wake" area.
(m) From the entrance to Minge Cove at West Alton to the flashing light buoy located within the cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(n) From the flashing light buoy in Minge Cove and southwesterly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(o) Between Chase Island and Farm Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(p) In the cove on the southwesterly side of Governor's Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(q) From the no wake sign located at the southern entrance to Fish Cove to the northernmost point of the cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(r) From the northernmost black top buoy to a point 150 feet beyond the southernmost point of the channel between Three Mile Island and the Hawk's Nest shall be a
"no wake" area.
(s) From 150 feet beyond the northwest end of the Beaver Island Channel to 150 feet beyond the southeastern end of the Beaver Island Channel shall be a
"no wake" area.
(t) From a point 150 feet from the west side of the Black Cat Island Bridge to a point 150 feet of the eastern side of the Black Cat Island Bridge shall be a
"no wake" area.
(u) From a point 150 feet from the southwesternmost red top buoy to a point 150 feet beyond the northernmost red top buoy between Mark Island and Mink Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(v) From the red top buoy at the entrance of Glidden Cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(w) From light buoy #75 to the southernmost point of Small's Cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(x) From light buoy #79 to the southeasternmost point of Robert's Cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(y) From a point 150 feet southeast of the Basin Bridge to a point 150 feet northwest of the Basin Bridge shall be a
"no wake" area.
(z) From a point 150 feet from the east entrance of Green's Basin to a point 150 feet beyond the western entrance of Green's Basin shall be a
"no wake" area.
(aa) From the red top buoy located on the south side of Whaleback Island to a point 150 feet beyond the north entrance to the channel between Whaleback Island and Moultonborough Neck shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ab) From a point 150 feet from the southeastern entrance of the channel between Ganzey Island and the mainland to a point 150 feet beyond the northern entrance to the same channel shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ac) From a point 150 feet east of the black top buoy located off the north side of 9 Acre Island to a point 150 feet beyond the southwestern entrance of the channel between 9 Acre Island and Moultonborough Neck shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ad) From the westernmost black top buoy located off the Long Island Public Beach to a point 150 feet beyond the eastern side of the Long Island Bridge shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ae) From light buoy #65 to the red top buoy located on the northeast side of Devens Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(af) From the southwesternmost red top buoy to the northeasternmost red top buoy located southwest of Hermit Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ag) From the southernmost black top buoy to the northernmost black top buoy in Salmon Meadow Cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ah) From the no wake sign which is located on the southeast entrance to Kelly Cove to the northwesternmost point of Kelly Cove shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ai) From a point 150 feet northeast of the no wake sign located at the entrance to Gilford Marina and southwesterly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(aj) From a point 150 feet north of the entrance of Lake Shore Park and southerly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ak) From a point 150 feet easterly of the channel markers marking the entrance to Duck Trap Cove and westerly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(al) From a point 150 feet southwest of the channel between Farm Island and Tuftonboro to a point 150 feet northeast of the entrance to the channel shall be a
"no wake" area.
(am) From the no wake sign located on the eastern side of Shep Brown's Boat Basin and westerly thereof shall be a
"no wake" area.
(an) The cove portion of Lake Winnipesaukee west of Black Island, between Geneva Point Center and Black Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(ao) From a point 150 feet south of Ledge Island and proceeding northward into Fish Cove shall be a
"no wake" area. This
"no wake" area shall not include the interior of the unnamed cove to the east of Fish Cove.
(ap) The area 150 feet north of the Bear Island mail dock to 150 feet south of the mail dock in the channel between the Bear Island Post Office and Pine Island shall be a
"no wake" area.
(aq) Hanson Cove in Lake Winnipesaukee shall be a
"no wake" area, including that area between the mouth of the cove, 150 yards due west of the large rock, to the large rock's corresponding black top navigational marker near Toltec Point.
(ar) That portion of Langley Cove in Paugus Bay, beginning from the city of Laconia Tax Map 69, Block 248, Lot 6 and running westerly to the western most point of Christmas Island in Paugus Bay, shall be a
"no wake" area.
(as) The unnamed cove easterly of Light 41 on Cow Island, in the town of Tuftonboro, shall be a
"no wake" area.
(at) Raoul’s Cove in the town of Moultonborough, from a line drawn beginning on the northern side of Lot 35 and the southern boundary of adjacent lot 33, proceeding across the cove to a point on the northern most side of Lot 91 and the southern boundary of adjacent Lot 92 on Moultonborough tax map #32 shall be a
"no wake" area.
(au) That part of Meredith bay in Lake Winnipesaukee running from an imaginary straight line as drawn from the Town of Meredith Tax Map U-2, Lot 7 southern boundary to Map U-15, Lot 48A southern boundary, to the northerly end of the bay on Route 25 shall be a
"no wake" area.
(av) The channel named Eagle Island Narrows between Egle Island and Governors Island on Lake Winnipesaukee shall be a
"no wake" area.
Source. #8172, eff 9-21-04 (from Saf-C 402.75), amd by #8614, eff 4-25-06
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PART Saf-C 404 BOATING RULES
Saf-C 404.01 Operating in Fog.
(a) When vessels are running in a fog, mist, falling snow or heavy rain storm, or when vessels cannot see each other, it shall be the duty of the pilot to cause a long blast, 4 to 6 seconds in duration, of the whistle or horn to be sounded at intervals not exceeding 2 minutes.
(b) A vessel hearing the fog signal of another vessel, apparently forward of the beam, the position of which is not ascertained,
shall immediately slow to headway speed only, and then navigate with caution until danger of collision is over.
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Saf-C 404.04 Meeting or Passing Log Rafts. All vessels when meeting or passing rafts or logs being towed shall, during such meeting or passing,
reduce their speed to such an extent as to prevent their wake from causing logs to break away or washing out of the raft or boom.
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Saf-C 404.12 Operational Rules for Crossing Boat Wakes and Conduct Near Other Vessels.
(a) No boat operator shall allow his or her boat to cross the wake of another boat, or cross its own wake, in a way that causes the vessel to become airborne. For the purposes of this section, "airborne" means that the boat's hull completely leaves the water.
(b) An operator shall
slow to headway speed when crossing the wake of another vessel when within 150 feet of another vessel.
(c) No boat operator shall operate his/her vessel in a manner that is unsafe, including the following types of conduct:
(1) Challenging other boaters by heading directly at a vessel and then swerving at the last minute to avoid collision;
(2) Weaving through congested boat traffic at greater than headway speed;
(3) Operating while his/her vision is obstructed; and
(4) Other types of operation that are intended to create erratic operational patterns so that other boaters cannot determine the course or heading of the vessel.
(d) Notwithstanding anything in this section to the contrary, this section shall not apply to the following:
(1) Water events as set forth in RSA 270-D:4 and Saf-C 413; and
(2) Law enforcement agencies and their representatives acting in their official capacity.
Source. #8172, eff 9-21-04 (from Saf-C 404.11)
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Saf-C 405.04 Regulatory Markers. Regulatory markers shall be geometric figures painted international orange and white. They shall indicate the existence of danger,
speed zones, swim areas and other controls. Spelled-out words or recognized abbreviations may appear on these markers to convey their meaning to the operators of vessels.
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http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/.../270-D-2-a.htm
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Originally Posted by Bear Islander to Skipper of the Sea Que
Please give me more detail on the "reasonable speed" law.
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Over DONE - have a nice day now.
