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Woodsy · 01-05-2006, 10:09 PM

Fat Jack,

There is a BIG differences between personal fredoms and rights. Personal freedoms are just that, freedoms. They are subject to change. Rights are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and are irrevocable... unless your talking guns... but thats a whole other debate! Speech and Worship are Rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America.

Farting in church, however distasteful, is a freedom. Last I checked it wasn't illegal. Urinating in the town pool is illegal and subject to arrest under public urination statutes, or perhaps indecent exposure statutes. I think public urination in Laconia will net you a $300 fine. There are probably a few more statutes the police can use in that instance.

I have no problem sacrificing a personal freedom for the common good. However, you need to justify taking my personal freedom away. To date there has been all sorts of wrangling back and forth, yet the Pro HB-162 crowd and Winnfabs has yet to produce ANY hard numbers, from an official government document that justifies taking away my freedom! When you can produce those numbers and subsequent statistics, then I will be willing to change my mind and give up my freedom.

Boater...

Ouch... I am sorry you feel that way. I really and truly am.

When you try to institute a law or policy that severely restrict an individuals personal freedoms, the reaction from those most affected by the proposed regulation is negative at best, downright nasty at its worst. This is effect is compounded when the proposed restriction is not based on facts or statistics, but on emotion. We have all sorts of laws that limit our personal freedoms. All of those laws were passed based on prior factual evidence.

I have used facts and statistics published by the USCG and the NTSB in my argument against HB-162. I have not ridiculed or insulted anyone. I play nice on all of the websites I post on, and I respect everyones opinion. I do not post insults, or tell people to mind thier own state like others here have. I go out of my way to defend the positions of some of the Pro HB-162/Winnfabs crowd. My argument is not a "tired" argument, nor is it emotional. It is a passionate factual argument, supported by facts and statistics gleaned from official government documents. The numbers do not lie. I am sorry you don't like the way the numbers align. I have repeatedly asked your side to post thier facts, post thier statistics. I have asked again and again to post the whole story when posting about boat accidents. Bolster your argument that Lake Winnipesaukee and NH NEEDS a speed limit. To date they have posted 2 documents, the one page from the 2004 USCG report (originally posted by an NHRBA member) and the other a "Public Service" article published by the USCGA. The PSA from the USCGA had "Speed Kills" in the title, however, the article was about striking a sumerged object.

I personally have no problem with the R,R & D minority opinion on HB-162. I think NH should adopt the USCG standard which is the same as the International Regulations for Avoiding Collisions at Sea, also known as COLREGS.

Every vessel shall at all times proceed at a safe speed so that she can take proper and effective action to avoid collision and be stopped within a distance appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and conditions.

I think that is a fair compromise for both sides. I would like to see some sort of funding package passed for the Marine Patrol as well. It would be a good thing for them to hire a few more officers. The mere presence of the MP boats in the congested parts of Lake Winnipesaukee has a distinct calming effect.

APS... Feel free to post the link to the adventures of Team Jefe. There are quite a few of them on the Donzi forum, most involve offshore salt water fishing and some sort of hot looking girl. He is from Texas, thats the way they are down there. He is an exceptionally good friend of mine regardless of whatever buffoonery he may partake. The really funny thing is he doesn't drink.. he can't. Severe stomach issue. But whatever, feel free to post it! I can ping him an e-mail so he can log on and tell you the stories himself if you would like. He actually trailered his 30' Fishing Boat from Houston Texas to Lake Winnipesaukee, just to boat here. It doesn't go faster than 52-55 MPH.

As far as noise regs go, I don't have a problem with revisiting them.

Woodsy

01-05-2006, 10:09 PM	#119
Woodsy Senior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Weirs Beach Posts: 1,965 Thanks: 80 Thanked 979 Times in 440 Posts	Fat Jack, There is a BIG differences between personal fredoms and rights. Personal freedoms are just that, freedoms. They are subject to change. Rights are guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States and are irrevocable... unless your talking guns... but thats a whole other debate! Speech and Worship are Rights guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. Farting in church, however distasteful, is a freedom. Last I checked it wasn't illegal. Urinating in the town pool is illegal and subject to arrest under public urination statutes, or perhaps indecent exposure statutes. I think public urination in Laconia will net you a $300 fine. There are probably a few more statutes the police can use in that instance. I have no problem sacrificing a personal freedom for the common good. However, you need to justify taking my personal freedom away. To date there has been all sorts of wrangling back and forth, yet the Pro HB-162 crowd and Winnfabs has yet to produce ANY hard numbers, from an official government document that justifies taking away my freedom! When you can produce those numbers and subsequent statistics, then I will be willing to change my mind and give up my freedom. Boater... Ouch... I am sorry you feel that way. I really and truly am. When you try to institute a law or policy that severely restrict an individuals personal freedoms, the reaction from those most affected by the proposed regulation is negative at best, downright nasty at its worst. This is effect is compounded when the proposed restriction is not based on facts or statistics, but on emotion. We have all sorts of laws that limit our personal freedoms. All of those laws were passed based on prior factual evidence. I have used facts and statistics published by the USCG and the NTSB in my argument against HB-162. I have not ridiculed or insulted anyone. I play nice on all of the websites I post on, and I respect everyones opinion. I do not post insults, or tell people to mind thier own state like others here have. I go out of my way to defend the positions of some of the Pro HB-162/Winnfabs crowd. My argument is not a "tired" argument, nor is it emotional. It is a passionate factual argument, supported by facts and statistics gleaned from official government documents. The numbers do not lie. I am sorry you don't like the way the numbers align. I have repeatedly asked your side to post thier facts, post thier statistics. I have asked again and again to post the whole story when posting about boat accidents. Bolster your argument that Lake Winnipesaukee and NH NEEDS a speed limit. To date they have posted 2 documents, the one page from the 2004 USCG report (originally posted by an NHRBA member) and the other a "Public Service" article published by the USCGA. The PSA from the USCGA had "Speed Kills" in the title, however, the article was about striking a sumerged object. I personally have no problem with the R,R & D minority opinion on HB-162. I think NH should adopt the USCG standard which is the same as the International Regulations for Avoiding Collisions at Sea, also known as COLREGS. Every vessel shall at all times proceed at a safe speed so that she can take proper and effective action to avoid collision and be stopped within a distance appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and conditions. I think that is a fair compromise for both sides. I would like to see some sort of funding package passed for the Marine Patrol as well. It would be a good thing for them to hire a few more officers. The mere presence of the MP boats in the congested parts of Lake Winnipesaukee has a distinct calming effect. APS... Feel free to post the link to the adventures of Team Jefe. There are quite a few of them on the Donzi forum, most involve offshore salt water fishing and some sort of hot looking girl. He is from Texas, thats the way they are down there. He is an exceptionally good friend of mine regardless of whatever buffoonery he may partake. The really funny thing is he doesn't drink.. he can't. Severe stomach issue. But whatever, feel free to post it! I can ping him an e-mail so he can log on and tell you the stories himself if you would like. He actually trailered his 30' Fishing Boat from Houston Texas to Lake Winnipesaukee, just to boat here. It doesn't go faster than 52-55 MPH. As far as noise regs go, I don't have a problem with revisiting them. Woodsy Last edited by Woodsy; 01-05-2006 at 11:03 PM.