New Member No-Mo-Shun
 

I was in the Park in 1955. Hmmm 4th cottage from Ellacoya (Minnehaha Beach)?? I had a friend that lived in that vicinity who had an older brother named Billy who liked to race hydroplanes with his Merc Super 10 Hurricane Motor. I just wonder if you might be Bill B.

Welcome No-Mo-Shun!!!
 

I have a huge smile on my face after reading your post! Welcome, cousin! Nice to have you "virtual-visiting" our side of the country. :D Waldo and I are very much looking forward to reading the future posts you promise. (Now if we could just get that cousin in Texas to quit lurking and join up! ;) )

Note to GravyBoat - thanks for helping me get that message to the other coast. :look:

Hiya Pepper and Carguy
 

Boy oh boy, This sure is fun. I've been enjoying your posts over tha last couple of days that I've been checking. It was fun to see you last year, Pepper. Good lobstah rolls. Carguy, you jogged my memory; Minnehaha Beach!! I had forgotten. There were a few kids from there that would come up to the pavilion most nights. Eddie and Ernie, also Sonia. They usually had to walk around the fence in the water to get on LSP property. Uncle Bud also had a place there for a year or two. Yes, I am that same Bill(y) B. you referred to. Still messing around with boats. I wonder if people are aware that land is or was an island. The stream that separates Morrill's Beach and Minnehaha had a ditch that connected it to the marina at LSP. It wasn't a marina in 1948, just a swamp; full of frogs , insects and brown water. The ditch ran along the lake side of the old RR track bed. It was overgrown, but we did take a canoe through there. Had to have a machete I think. BTW Dick is still doing great and living in So. Calif. More later.

Flag Pole
 

carguy,

The placque reads,

Dedicated to all the boys and girls of Lake Shore Park that served in World War II

Presented by "The Campers of LSP"
September 1949

Photo to follow when I find my misplaced camera :(

SteveA

Flag Pole pics
 

carguy,

Here you go...

Attachment 891

Attachment 892

SteveA

LSP Flagpole Rising
 

SteveA:

I have film video of the raising of the flagpole in 1949. I was six years old back then. This will be fun to watch. Hopefully my DVD's will be here before the weekend. They were shipped last week to me.

Hi Dickie B
 

Hi Dick:

It has been a long time since we got together. Did you also work at the Chanticleer Inn back in 1959-1960?

We had a lot of good times back then with our "crowd' at the Park. I remember going down to your house in North Plainfield, NJ for New Years, 1960 or thereabouts.


Regards,

Bill Clarke

The "Island" at Lake Shore Park
 

No-Mo-Shun:

I never thought about Long Beach and the old "Ball Park" tent area being an island, but come to think of it, with the swam, ditch, and creek, it is an island. We use to catch pickerel in that ditch along the old railroad bed.

I hung around your brother, Dick. He was one of my best friends at the Park. He was a year older than me, and you were quite a few years older than me.

Welcome Dickie Boy
 

I was wondering if you were here. For a number of years, I could never find anything about LSP, so I forgot about looking. CarGuy, The ball field, ringed by tents must have been there until about 1950. ( I might be wrong about the year. Please correct me if that is the case). After that they moved the field across the RR bed so that it was between Rt. 11 and the tracks. We had a softball game every morning at 10 AM unless it rained. On weekends, it was the married men against the single men. There were always plenty of players available to choose up sides and often the little guys didn't get chosen. The married men had some tough players. "Tiny" Nottage could really slug the ball. The field was directly behind ( about 100 ft.) the second row of cabins at Long Beach. Inevitably, someone would hit a ball into a campers breakfast cereal. When the game was over, it was time to head for the lake and cool off:coolsm: :patriot: :laugh:

LSP Ball Park
 

The ball park has moved... my unit is now in dead center field... (In the 70's I used to be able to hit it into the marina... bet I couldn't now!)

The new ball park is on the other side of the marina.....

SteveA

Hi Car guy
 

Hi Bill,
I never worked at Chanticlar. As soon as I got my drivers license, I got a job at the Park, working for Wally Rugg. Jackie Lavin had the job before me. I would pick up the garbage early in the morning throughout the whole park. Then I would take another truck to Lakeport to pick up 600 lbs. of ice, and deliver that to the campers in the afternoon. That's a whole other story about the ice house in Lakeport. There were two trucks: a 46 & a 47 International pick ups. They were pretty beat, but they ran. That was about 1959 or 60.

I think that I heard that Spanos paid the Joneses $125,000 for the park around 1959. It was after that that all the development of the marina and the area beyond the old railroad tracks took place. Remember the laundramat that was built near the park entrance? Well, they gave me the job of opening it at 8:00 AM and cleaning all the machines. All this for $8.00 a day, seven days a week. But it was good. I loved working at the park. I did it for about four summers.

The last time I saw you was at the reunion in 2000. time flys.

Best regards,
Dick B.

Ice and Garbage
 

Dick:

I think I did the Ice and Garbage after you did it, or you did it after I was the guy. I went into the store after the garbage/iceman bit. I rember that old '47 International pickup with the driver's door removed, and NO seatbelts back then.

I thought you might have been at the reunion in 2000. That was a good time, but we had rain and the reunion was too short.

I will be going up to the Park this weekend for the first time since then.

LSP Garbage and Laundromat Work.
 

Dick:

I am sure now that I did the iceman/garbage routine after you. In 1959 I was working at Chanticleer Inn during the Summer. Billy DeGroot and I shared a cabin at Chanticleer Inn. We both worked in the kitchen. Pete Shull worked there also. Now Pete is no longer with us. He died in a fire not too long after the 2000 Reunion.

You mention that the Jones's sold the park to the Spanos Group for $125,00. What do you thing that property would go for today?? Speaking of the Jones', my dad really liked Frand and Doris. Frank would sneak away from Doris and come down to our camp and have a few "pops" with my dad. I can remember visiting them at their home in Rochester, NH in the off-season. They were real nice people, the salt of the earth.

I can remember when Doris Jones won the Lyman with the 30 HP Evinrude in a charity drawing in the Lakes Region. The boat was named the "Doris V." or something like that. Doris's middle name was Victoria. They kept it in a boat lift down near the flagpole. I think I only ever saw the Jones' use that nice Lyman about one time.

Ice and Garbage Truck Drivers at Lake Shore Park.
 

Dick:

I forgot to mention in the previous post the names of a couple of our predecessors as the ice and garbage men at LSP. Jimmy Mitchell is the first one that I can remember. He drove an old beat-up ford Model A, or was it a Chevy pickup? Jimmy ended up marrying the boss's daughter, Barbara Jones. After Jiimy Mitchell came Slim Byrd who was a college student from Ware, MA. You might have come along not too long after Slim.

At one time the Park harvested their own ice. Remember the ice house, the old barn, located down from the Pavilion towards Long Beach. The ice was packed in straw and it was dark inside the barn. It was always wet around that barn from the melting ice. The use to keep Barbara Jones's yellow Old Town canoe on a stand outside of the ice barn. They must have stopped ice harvesting at the Park in the early 1950's.

Ice and Water Skiing
 

I remember the Model A ice truck all through the 40's and early 50's. At least I believe it was a Model A. The Summer of 1946 was the first time I had seen water skiing. Our next door neighbor on Long Beach was Jed Cleversey from Kittery, Me. During previous Summers, Jed and his friends, the Landrys towed an aquaplane behind his boat which was a 16 ft. inboard that he built. In the Summer of 46 they all began water skiing; even little June Landry, who was only 6 years old. After watching all this great fun for about 3 weeks, I got up the nerve to ask Jed for a tow around. He agreed. I was sure I could do it. After all, I was 12 years old. The good news is that I never fell down until the 3rd ride that Summer. That's when I decided to cross the wake. He really got me hooked. :eek: One of Jed's friends came to the lake with a big Lyman and a 50 HP four cyl. WW2 landing craft motor. That was a good ski boat. I could talk boats all night, but I'm leaving early tomorrow on a one week motorcycle trip with the gang to Yellowstone Park.

The Jones's
 

Hi Bill,
I remember the Jones's as being excellent stewards of LSP. They maintained it with great care, and were particular about the development. Other than the camps that the individual families built, I don't think that the place changed much during the whole time that they owned it.

regards,
Dick B.

Hi Dickie B
 

Hi

Attached photo is a view of Long Beach as of today.
These are the last nine camps looking to Ellacoya.
Mine is on the far left. It is the 9th from Ellacoya today.
It was the 10th. The fifth was removed several years ago.

Mike C

( SteveA: congratulations on your hole in one !!!! )

Long Beach and the Mount
 

This beach along with Ellacoya Beach is the nicest stretch of beach on the Lake. It always has been. The Mount use to announce when it passed the Park, "On your left is Lake Shore Park, home of one of the finest beaches on the Lake". You coud hear this over their PA system and the rumble of those twin diesels. You could always tell the Mount was coming before seeing her due to the diesel noise.

You used to be able to set your clocks when the mount went by the Park. It used the same route for many years with a few variances. It passed the Big Pier at 12:45 PM and 5:45 PM. Mothers instructed their children to come home for lunch, and then for supper when the Mount passed the Park.

On the route variances for the two daily trips the Mount took daily, I know of two of them on the southern side of the Lake. The Mount on occasion would take the Sleeper's Island Channel between Sleeper's and the mainland instead of going around Sleeper's Island between Rattlesnake Island and Sleeper's.

The Mount on other occasions would also pass through the channel at Glendale, between Belknap Point and Locke's Island, then pass the "Witches" and Governor's Island, entering Weirs Bay between Eagle Island and Governor's Island.

In those days the Mount after leaving the Weirs would only stop at Centre Harbor, Wolfeboro, Alton Bay, then back to the Weirs. The Mount didn't start going to Meredith until sometime in the early 1990's, and then only a couple of times a week.They didn't have all the nightime cruises that they have now. Once in a great while you would see the mount come by the Park at night on a "Moonlight Cruise" all lit up. It was a magnificent site on a dark night on the "Broads".

The ninth cabin
 

Hi Mike,
From the looks of it, your cabin is on the site of my grand parents cabin. In an earlier post I mentioned that my grand parents, Fred and Florence Croes tented there in the twenties, and gradually built their cabin over the years as the Jones family would allow. First a board floor, then wood sides about six feet high, and finally a wood and shingled roof. The cabin was painted yellow, and was named "The Seven Birches", because of a clump of seven birch trees that was directly in front, which the front porch was built around. The cabin was sold sometime in the sixties after they had passed away.

It's great to know who has the site now. Thanks for the picture.

Best Regards,
Dick B.

Lake Shore Park
 

Hi Uncle Dick!

Good to see you here on the Forum! Did you by any chance have any photos from the early days at LSP? I know that Mom did and Dad has them tucked away. I'll get over there soon and see what I can find. I remember many of them with Uncle Bud, Grandma and Grandpa Croes and many family members.

Susie

Lake Shore Park Entrance Sign
 

I received my DVD today from Home Movie Depot. The DVD contains two 6" reels of 8mm movies that my Dad, Larry Clarke, took back at LSP from 1947-1952. I was able to use my digital camera and take a picture of the old LSP entrance sign that must have sat out in front of the Park for many years. It looks like it is from the 1920's. The sign was still out there in the early 1950's in a state of disrepair. I do not remember the last year it was standing. The sign was a two part "V' style configuration facing east and west on the old Rte. 11. It had lights, but If I recall correctly, the loads were always out, possibly broken by vandalism.

LSP sign
 

Hi Bill,
The sign was removed when Spanos bought the place in about 1959. That is when Wally Rugg and all adopted the pink and green colors for the park with the long tailed "L" on the word Lake. He had a pink and green Jeep too.

regards,
Dick B.

GravyBoat - photos, you say? Grandma's got lots of 'em! At the moment she is entertaining your cousins from Florida, but when they depart on Friday I'll ask her to spend some time digging through the photos and come up with some that I can scan and post. She's having a ball hearing all the stuff that's being posted here, and I just know she'll have a good time contributing! :D

Carguy at LSP
 

Just wanted to post a public THANK YOU to carguy...

He was in LSP with his old 8mm films. converted to a DVD... we had a good crowd at the pavillion this morning when he showed the films.. (60-70 people)

(Round of applause for carguy)

The folks at LSP are already talking about setting up a "History" group.. to record and save the History of LSP.

Thanks to Pepper, Upthesaukee, graveyboat, mcdude, mcall, for the help... you folks are wonderful...!!!


SteveA

PS... I think we got a few more members of the forum from this....

PS... mcdude... the old converted 8mm also contains some Alton Bay pavillion footage from 1948-9 and some Wolfeboro, Meridith Bay stuff.

Lake Shore Park DVD Presentation
 

SteveA:

Thank you for the kind words and the nice job you did setting up the pavilion for the talk.

When will the next showing be? :D I'd spend lots of raffle money if a copy were to be made available for the Forum Fest III Raffle! McD

LSP Boating Adventures
 

When I was a little kid at LSP in the 40's, I was fishing in a rowboat with my uncle. It was either Allen Matthews or Kenny Foster; I can't remember which, but we were fishing off of Morrills's Beach about a 1/4 mile out. I had a line out on a bobber and along comes Chet Fox in his 12 foot runabout and he snagged my pole and dragged it over the side and it went to the bottom. Chet was very sorry and after a little preparation, he dove to the bottom and retrieved the pole for me. Chet and his sister, Marilyn lived on old Rt.11 and they would often come to the pavilion in the evening. I remember another instance that occured in the same area. Once again we were fishing and my uncle pushed down on my shoulders to force me to the bottom of the boat. Just then, a power boat goes by on one side of us while the skiier passes by on the other side with the tow rope passing over our heads. We got an apology later on for that one when they realised how dumb that was.

Billy B.

Fishing in the 1940's off of Lake Shore Park
 

Billy B.,

Chet Fox passed away a number of years ago. His widow, Dottie, used to be the secretary of the local New England Antique and Classic Boat Society. The family has a beautifully restored Gar Wood Triple Cockpit speedboat.

Back in the late 1940's and early 1050's, the Fox family had a black garwood with a hardtop, I think Gar Wood called it the Limousine model. The boat had a red painted bottom and it was a beautiful looking boat with the black hull and red bottom. That boat or possibly their current boat was named the "Marilyn" after Marilyn Fox.

Their boats were kept in the white boathouse along the shore just west of Ellacoya State Park. I remember peeking into that boathouse many years ago and the boat that I believe is their current mahogany Gar Wood was sitting in a state of disrepair having been vandalized. I saw the boat at the last Classic Boat Show that I attended at the Weirs in 1998, and it was beautifully restored. The annual boat show is now held in Meredith, usually the last weekend of July.

I was up at Lake Shore Park this past weekend, and I gave a talk to an audience of about 50-60 people when I showed the DVD that I had made up of 8mm movies that my dad took at the Park from 1947-1952.

Fox's Gar Wood
 

Car Guy, I remember the hardtop Gar Wood. We always wanted to try to get a good look at her from up close, but it was tough to do. Do you remember a boat which was kept in a boat house down in Alton Bay? The name was "75 Special". Supposedly, the name indicated that she could do 75 MPH, but when I would see her cruising by LSP about once per Summer, the speed was usually about 30 MPH. I think it was a Gar, but could have been a HackerCraft. It was a big boat; over 30 ft. I believe. Must have drunk up the gasolene. There are loads of boats from the park to talk about. Be back later. Bill B.:banana:

Lake Shore Park ABC's: Artists, Blueberries, Camps
 

Hi folks,

I've been following this string, and I find it very informative!

Here's some things that may be more "Nostalgia" then "History" of Lake Shore Park, but they are some topics I haven't seen anyone mention yet, like...

Artists: I've just started a "collection" of original paintings by folks that have something to do with Lake Shore park. There was "Spike Larson", and I ended up with a watercolor last year. Now I want to add Bobby Steedman (Robert Steedman, now a watercolorist out of I think Gloucester), who I remember as a kid. Then there's Ralph William Williams, the "Breck Girl" painter - a relative of Carol's - who painted some gals at Lake Shore Park including my brother's former girl friend Cheryl Bates - but I doubt if I'll ever get one of his, as the Breck collection is in the Smithsonian! Anyone remember any other artists or painters, and where I can get my hands on some pictures?

Blueberries: Does anyone else remember that the blueberries used to seem more plentiful (say 50's and 60's) - and did anyone ever bring their berries to Armand the baker to have a pie made from your very own berries? I also remember my dad ready to drive away from the park with the family, but I had to be dragged out of the woods where I was getting another cup full...

Camps: I love remembering the old camp names. Durgins used to the "The Fivuvus". Puringtons were "Five P's In a Pod". Chase's were, and still are, "Chase Lounge". Remember "Tea for Two?" Others?

Looking forward to other people's memories!

Legionaire "70"
 

No-Mo-Shun:

I remember the big Gar Wod from Alton Bay. It was one of the Legionaire Speedboats named the "70 Special". It was supposed to be capable of 70 MPH. Another fast boat from those times was the "Wildcat".
Check out the attached pamphlet.

Armand's Blueberry Pies
 

Captain Bob:

I remember collecting blueberries on the back side of MT. ROWE at the then Belknap Recreation Area, now referred to as Gunstock. There was a humongous wild blueberry patch on the back side of the mountain from the chairlift. We gave them to Armand LePage to make Blueberry Pies at Lake Shore Park.There were also some good blueberry picking at the point between Baby Beach and Camp Samoset.

Legioaire "70"
 

No-Mo-Shun:

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...what=allfields




How about this photo.

Mt. Rowe and Blueberries
 

Hi Car Guy and And Captn Bob-
I remember as a kid in the forties and fifties taking the chair lift to the top of Mt. Rowe ($.25 a ride) to pick blueberries with my mother. She picked and I ate. But she was good and got a pail full. That's a lot of picking. She would bake pies, which to this day were the best I've ever had.

But, my fondest memory is the sunny mornings sitting on the bench seats that surrounded the oilcloth covered table, just inside the front of our camp on Long Beach, with the two large front windows pulled open, to reveal an uncluttered view of the lake and the Osipees (sp?) on the far side while my mother served us incredible blueberry pancakes for breakfast. :rolleye2:

Best regards,
Dick B.

Legionaire 70
 

CarGuy, The Legionaire must be the same boat I was thinking about. Only 70 MPH!!! That is really cooking. Thanks for the photo
Bill B.:laugh:

Cabin Names
 

Captain Bob, Our camp name was "Boerner's Korner". It was the 4th cabin from the fence at Minnehaha Beach.

Hello Car Guy-
 

Hi Bill,
Do you remember the fellow that cruised at LSP in that steam powered launch called the "Rum Runner"? That was a great boat. As I recall, it was a double ended hull, like a canoe, only larger. He would stand in the stern with a tiller, as the engine chugged along, going just a few knots per hour.

As kids, we wanted fast boats, but now that I'm older, I think that he had a good thing going.

regards,
Dick B.

Steamboat at Lake Shore Park
 

Dickie B.,

I remember a gray colored steam launch that use to come over from Wolfeboro area and dock at the Big Pier. In my DVD on Lake Shore Park, that launch is in the film taken in 1949 at the Park during a boat parade on Long Beach.

Every year on the weekend after Labor Day, there is a big steamboat meet held at Lee's Mills on Moultonboro Bay. There are photos of the meet in the Gallery Section of this forum.

Blueberries
 

Car Guy & Dickie B,

I just gotta make some blueberry waffles for the grandkids this weekend, since we'll be up at camp! Good memories.

Dick, Those pancakes sure were good. When breakfast was over, it was off to the ball field for me and play softball til noon. Another great thing about that cabin was going to sleep at night and hearing the waves lap up on the beach. In my later teen years, I would finish breakfast and hop in the boat, headed for "Aquavue" and work. My Summer job was helping Uncle Allen build cabins. He taught me a lot about carpentry. If we got too hot, we would jump in the lake and toss rocks to make a nice sandy bottom. That job took a couple of years. We would build one cabin a Summer. Foster's was the first and Ellie's was last. Any bent nails found in the cabins could probab:D ly be blamed on me.
Bilbo
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