Performance Boats- Alive and Well!!!

[pm203]

It was good to see and hear all the performance boats that returned to the lake this year. There have been healthy sounding speed boats on the lake since the 20's. Thank goodness, the tradition continues!!

[Rattlesnake Gal]

They were all doing under the 45 mph speed limit too! :laugh:

[mastercraft]

HAHAHAHAHA yeah sure they only went 45!!!

[Acres per Second]

"...There have been healthy sounding speed boats on the lake since the 20's..."
And in the 20's, a dozen residences. :rolleye1:

[OCDACTIVE]

I was out... Nothing is keeping me from enjoy my new toy to the Fullest!!!

[colt17]

There were many times this past weekend when i was doing 45mph and I got passed like i was standing still buy some go fast boats. I wonder how many speeding tickets were given out last weekend??

[OCDACTIVE]

according to the union leader. I think Skip posted the link. Zero were given. So much for the anticipated landslide crack down.

[DoTheMath]

I heard, saw and passed many performance boats out and about this past weekend, and they were doing a fine job of enjoying their craft in a safe and responsible manner!

As PM said - just like days-of-old, with all the Lakers that used to cruise the big pond, it made me smile to see that our modern day decendants have carried on the tradition!

Nothing like the Memorial Day kick off weekend! And a big thanks to all our troops - past and present - for doing what you do! :cool:

[fatlazyless]

...heard a horn blast....looked up....and saw one of the old MP boats w/ blue lights...stop a 17' Boston Whaler on Fri or Sat and do a papers inspect...probably stopped for the 150' rule...too close to the MP boat...so do violations like that go on your car driving record too?

[OCDACTIVE]

from reading the law and other threads my impression is "yes" but I have not heard confirmation from anyone.

[pm203]

...heard a horn blast....looked up....and saw one of the old MP boats w/ blue lights...stop a 17' Boston Whaler on Fri or Sat and do a papers inspect...probably stopped for the 150' rule...too close to the MP boat...so do violations like that go on your car driving record too?

I believe the answer is no. A speeding violation would, providing the appropriate states notify each other. They are supposed to, but alot of times this does not happen.

[OCDACTIVE]

And in the 20's, a dozen residences. :rolleye1:

And people had an average life span of age 62.. :D

[jrc]

Sunday, while docked at Alton public docks, a MP gave me a nice reminder of the new law. Its color printed on heavy paper and lists the new limits and how to determine if it is night.

My wife laughed and told him my boat could not exceed the new day limit. He said, he could never be sure. I did pass this guy on the way to Alton at 30 mph and 500 feet.

[Mee-n-Mac]

I believe the answer is no. A speeding violation would, providing the appropriate states notify each other. They are supposed to, but alot of times this does not happen.

I believe HB 847 also enacted that any violation goes on your motor vehicle record.

From http://votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=17024&can_id=43015

This bill establishes speed limitations for vessels traveling on Lake Winnipesaukee. This bill also requires that violations of the general rules for vessels operating on water become a part of the motor vehicle driving record of the person convicted. These provisions are repealed on January 1, 2011.

Note that the above does not single out speed limit violations. And why shouldn't it. If speeding is soooo dangerous it deserves extra punishment then why should violation of the Safe Passage Law (aka the 150' rule) deserve any less ?

A PDF file on HB 847 http://votesmart.org/billtext/17024.pdf
and Chapter 270-D:2 General Rules for Vessels Operating on Water http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXII/270-D/270-D-2.htm

[livefreeordie]

I was out... Nothing is keeping me from enjoy my new toy to the Fullest!!! Same here im not going to let this stop me from enjoying the wide open brods. It felt good to get out there and see no boats in sight and double the limit lol.... Im sure if your not stupid about the places you open her up you will never get a ticket.

[OCDACTIVE]

Same here im not going to let this stop me from enjoying the wide open brods. It felt good to get out there and see no boats in sight and double the limit lol.... Im sure if your not stupid about the places you open her up you will never get a ticket.

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well.... :eek::D

Loving the new boat.. It is amazing to feel how much power is left even when cruising at 60 mph

[chipj29]

So if I get a ticket for a 150' violation, that is going on my driving record? How will that be recorded as a driving violation? I mean, what will it be recorded as?
Being that the 150' law is very subjective, you can bet that if it goes on my driving record I will be fighting it in court. Please bring your calibrated tape measure that you used to measure the distance, officer! :D

[southerncomfort]

some one told me that the mp are getting radar guns that do speed and also distance.some type of laser.can any one confirm this.

[fatlazyless]

Ahoy...ahoy....paging XO Lieutenant Commander Skip.....we need a definitive answer to this compound & complex motor boat & automobile driving violation administration application question backed up with a complete legal history of how this wacky law got here! :D

I can call it wacky, now that it's been passed into law. Like, who cares? Me-thinks basically, that a Republican state legislature would quickly let it die in January 2011 just to show everyone who's in charge, again. After being the legislative 'big dog' for 150 years, it probably no fun being the little doggie.........woof!

Hey, for all I know, the Boston Whaler could have been stopped for having the wrong color sticker?

[VtSteve]

If the insurance lobby was involved in any way, shape or form, wow. Make no mistake, I'm just providing information for a discussion, and I'm not promoting anything here.

Their lobby initially tried to get the BAC level to .04, then they tried .05. They settled on an agreed .08. I believe that this started some ten years ago, and a phase in period through 2007 was initiated. The enticement? Lose federal highway funds if you don't adopt the BAC level.

There's been no real statistical evidence showing that the law itself has done anything. In states where enforcement and getting the word out is strong, the results have been positive. Not because of the adopted BAC level itself, but the fear of arrest. Many, many years of evidence clearly show that most fatal accidents involving alcohol on the highways involve BAC levels far exceeding the .08 level. Once you take the offenders with levels above 2.0 out of the equation, the numbers drop pretty dramatically. At 1.5 and above, a vast majority drop off the charts.

It's hard to determine a ten year history that shows .08 did anything. Many states didn't adopt that level until 2006/2007, which is the timeframe they had to comply with the federal mandate, and then they could recover their lost 2% funding for each year it was held back. The real kicker is in the statistics themselves. Most data was complied with several major assumptions. Most states concluded for years that if a single car accident occurred between 7 PM and 5AM on a Friday or Saturday, it was alcohol-related. Other such statistics can be misleading as well.

For instance, assume two cars are heading into an intersection with traffic lights. Car A is going 36 mph in a 35 mph zone, and has the green light. Further assume that car B, is traveling 32 mph and has a red light. Car B runs the red light, T Boning car A. In many jurisdictions, this is a speed-related accident.

Let's say you've worked 65 hours this week and you're tired. you had a couple of beers with dinner and are heading home. You have no idea that your BAC level is .085. You are going 43 mph in a 40 mph zone on a straight, 2-lane road. A deer jumps out in front of you, you swerve to avoid the deer, you lose control of the car, hit a tree, and die as a result. This accident is recorded as alcohol-related, speed-related (probably). People reading about your demise in the paper are outraged about stupid drunks on the road, and are glad nobody else was killed by your actions.

One of the key issues in any widespread legislation is followup, and complete data. In looking at much of today's data, no reasonable conclusion can be made.

[cowisl]

It was nice to see everyone out. Nothing like the Lake!

[livefreeordie]

Agreed.. I almost doubled it as well.... :eek::D

Loving the new boat.. It is amazing to feel how much power is left even when cruising at 60 mph
I know I will miss rides in the boat we sold our friend it was a 36 nor-tech cat that had twin 850s hit 135mhp with the under water exhaust. the acceleration was insane. And you could have a conversation at 100. Nor-tech is def changing things with the new quiet exhaust systems.

[jmen24]

So if I get a ticket for a 150' violation, that is going on my driving record? How will that be recorded as a driving violation? I mean, what will it be recorded as?
Being that the 150' law is very subjective, you can bet that if it goes on my driving record I will be fighting it in court. Please bring your calibrated tape measure that you used to measure the distance, officer! :D

If I had to guess it will be considered a moving violation, and treated the same as if you hit the yellow line while traveling or rolling through a stop sign. Seems so rediculous to me and as you say, please bring the tape measure with you. Or you could as them in the court room to tell you the distance from front to back of the room, if they cannot do that off the cuff and at least be within 3-5 feet than that might prove to the judge that you should not be there.

[OCDACTIVE]

I may get in trouble for this but it is a serious thought..... Due to the repetitiveness of the laws in effect, come 2011 if everything stays on the books shouldn't they remove the 150ft rule?

I boat up and down the east coast and surprisingly once on the ocean or major rivers there are no 150 ft law or limits. It is what is deemed safe and prudent. So running next to each other at 70 mph only 50 feet apart is very common and very safe because of the type of boat. (enough said on that)

So maybe they would consider taking that away.. Just a thought

[chipj29]

I may get in trouble for this but it is a serious thought..... Due to the repetitiveness of the laws in effect, come 2011 if everything stays on the books shouldn't they remove the 150ft rule?

I boat up and down the east coast and surprisingly once on the ocean or major rivers there are no 150 ft law or limits. It is what is deemed safe and prudent. So running next to each other at 70 mph only 50 feet apart is very common and very safe because of the type of boat. (enough said on that)

So maybe they would consider taking that away.. Just a thought

I highly doubt you will ever see that happen.

[OCDACTIVE]

I highly doubt you will ever see that happen.

I agree. But just trying to make sense of everything. Cut back on the repetition

[VtSteve]

Much the same way men have tried to convince themselves that six inches really is a foot, many boaters think that 50' really is about 150'

I'd hate to think what telling them the rule is now 50' would do. :eek:

[LIforrelaxin]

So here is the things as I read through this stream..... We have complaints of the speed law and complaints of the 150' law all while claiming to be safe boaters....

Now here is the things a safe boater obays the law weather they agree with it or not.

hence by reasoning if you flaunt and ignore a law you take your self out of the class of safe boaters....

All that being said, I fully trust that OCD even when speeding is a safe boater, and livefreeordie probably is too...but here is the thing don't go around saying your a safe boater and you follow the rules, and then follow up by saying you can go 60 and still have power....

A safe boater follows the rules even if they don't believe they are in the best interest of all.

I personally don't believe the overall speed limit is the way to go.... but you know what its law right now, if you want to change start working for the change by first obaying it, so that the politicians can see that speed limit or not it doesn't really change things.

[fatlazyless]

If someone knows how to make this cruddy cold weather go back to last Thursday's 92, sunny & humid I'll pay to fill the tank on their performance boat :eek: ....... yuk!

[Sunset Bob]

I know I will miss rides in the boat we sold our friend it was a 36 nor-tech cat that had twin 850s hit 135mhp with the under water exhaust. the acceleration was insane. And you could have a conversation at 100. Nor-tech is def changing things with the new quiet exhaust systems.

Speaking of rides how about that ride from you owe me from last year?
I can do a photo shoot for you sometime this season.If my boat keeps running.

[livefreeordie]

Speaking of rides how about that ride from you owe me from last year?
I can do a photo shoot for you sometime this season.If my boat keeps running.

PM me your number and when I get an other chance to take the big boat out I will call to see if your around.....

[trfour]

I may get in trouble for this but it is a serious thought..... Due to the repetitiveness of the laws in effect, come 2011 if everything stays on the books shouldn't they remove the 150ft rule?

I boat up and down the east coast and surprisingly once on the ocean or major rivers there are no 150 ft law or limits. It is what is deemed safe and prudent. So running next to each other at 70 mph only 50 feet apart is very common and very safe because of the type of boat. (enough said on that)

So maybe they would consider taking that away.. Just a thought

Ya, the good'OL days since gone.... Talk about a "Jump Out Of The Water
Adrenaline Rush", here's a boat that I got to ride on, a triple 900 hp'rd 9.5' beamed, stage hulled 46' Cougar. After the firing of all three engines while negotiating out into open water, doo put your Hanns Devise on and pray!

With the 45mph limit, doubt we will ever see them here.

[OCDACTIVE]

WOW Gorgeous boat!!!! Would love to see a pic of the engines!

[livefreeordie]

Ya, the good'OL days since gone.... Talk about a "Jump Out Of The Water
Adrenaline Rush", here's a boat that I got to ride on, a triple 900 hp'rd 9.5' beamed, stage hulled 46' Cougar. After the firing of all three engines while negotiating out into open water, doo put your Hanns Devise on and pray!

With the 45mph limit, doubt we will ever see them here.
I love the old cougar boats..... does that one still sit on the channel like it has for what seems to be all my life. mot once have I seen it in action

[Sman]

Ocdactive, you are obviously a fast boat enthusiast, you should check out this link below if you have not yet

http://www.screamandfly.com/

I sold a boat there a few yrs back, people are always asking for and posting pictures of their rigs:coolsm:

[Lakegeezer]

If you are thinking of safely going over 45, watch out for the MP. They have been hiding in unusual places around m'boro bay today, sitting still for longer periods than normal. Probably looking to make the news for writing that first speeding ticket.

[pm203]

First of all, boating tickets were never tied to your driving record untill the supporters of HB 847 pushed for it. And, it is attached to speeding only, as far as I see it, because they saw to it. Secondly, a ticket for breaking the 150 foot rule is not going to show up on your insurance. And, even if it did, you would be foolish not to arbitrate it. Bottom line; obey the laws and go faster than 45 only when safe, prudent and not in plain view of the MP. Everything in moderation and you will be ok.

[Acres per Second]

That first ticket may already be part of Winnipesaukee history.

At 8:40 this morning, a NHMP inboard, traveling at :o :emb: :blush: flank :emb: :o :blush: speed, tailed a 21' white Donzi for a good mile. The two eventually stopped and drifted out of my sight, but the Donzi did end up being cornered in a cove by Pine Harbor Condos. ("Tuftonboro Bay" is a dead-end).

"The discussion" with the three aboard lasted at least 15 minutes.

(The NHMP inboards usually around here display numbers MP-7 and MP-11, and appear to have the NHMP's most-seasoned officers aboard).

Later, the Donzi left the area at about 1/3 his accustomed rapidity. (About equivalent to NHMP's :blush: flank :emb: velocity). Since then, it's been a relatively busy Saturday, with bright sun all day and variable winds from 0 to 15, but everybody seems to be behaving themselves—at least since 8:40 AM. :D

I gotta say, that's one really fast Donzi! (100-MPH? Danged impressive for a little boat). Maybe Woodsy has heard if history was made today. :confused:

(Or, to put it another way, will this ticket appear on eBay?) :laugh:

[Tyler]

That was my boat you are referring to, no ticket was given, sorry to disappoint you.

[BroadHopper]

That first ticket may already be part of Winnipesaukee history.

At 8:40 this morning, a NHMP inboard, traveling at :o :emb: :blush: flank :emb: :o :blush: speed, tailed a 21' white Donzi for a good mile. The two eventually stopped and drifted out of my sight, but the Donzi did end up being cornered in a cove by Pine Harbor Condos. ("Tuftonboro Bay" is a dead-end).

"The discussion" with the three aboard lasted at least 15 minutes.

(The NHMP inboards usually around here display numbers MP-7 and MP-11, and appear to have the NHMP's most-seasoned officers aboard).

Later, the Donzi left the area at about 1/3 his accustomed rapidity. (About equivalent to NHMP's :blush: flank :emb: velocity). Since then, it's been a relatively busy Saturday, with bright sun all day and variable winds from 0 to 15, but everybody seems to be behaving themselves—at least since 8:40 AM. :D

I gotta say, that's one really fast Donzi! (100-MPH? Danged impressive for a little boat). Maybe Woodsy has heard if history was made today. :confused:

(Or, to put it another way, will this ticket appear on eBay?) :laugh:

You must have been going pretty fast yourself to see all this..............

[chipj29]

Ya, the good'OL days since gone.... Talk about a "Jump Out Of The Water
Adrenaline Rush", here's a boat that I got to ride on, a triple 900 hp'rd 9.5' beamed, stage hulled 46' Cougar. After the firing of all three engines while negotiating out into open water, doo put your Hanns Devise on and pray!

With the 45mph limit, doubt we will ever see them here.

Are you sure that is a boat? Because it looks like a rocket to me! :laugh:
Darn nice looking boat though...would love to see that in action.

[VtSteve]

You must have been going pretty fast yourself to see all this..............

I'm glad I didn't see that this morning. Coffee's so much harder to get off the display than plain old water :laugh:

APS, why all the drama? Flank Velocity? Indeed.

[tis]

I heard third hand that people known to GH marina in Wolfeboro have gotten tickets. Four of them.

[Acres per Second]

I was out...Nothing is keeping me from enjoy my new toy to the Fullest!!!
:confused:

So you wrote on the 27th—but on the previous day, you state this (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95559&postcount=19):
"...2 jet skiers criss crossing back and forth, the stopping abruptly, not even looking at the line of boats coming on and off plane due to their actions...I had enough and docked her for the rest of the weekend..." :rolleye2: :confused: :rolleye1: :confused:

Was there a memo involved here? :confused:

And people had an average life span of age 62.. :D
Write non sequiturs much? :rolleye2:

Real estate references are everywhere on these pages: Lake Winnipesaukee's edges have evolved into a decidedly residential, even suburban, environment.

The days of open exhaust are gone: Every season, discussions of boat damage to lakefront properties are raised.

Lake Norman, mentioned here (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95555&postcount=18) this week, once had a boat run out of the lake to hit a truck on the Interstate!


That was my boat you are referring to, no ticket was given, sorry to disappoint you.
We have a member here who not only knows Donzi/Donzi-supporters on this lake, he has ample "street creds" (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13473&postcount=14). Thank you, but I'll await a comprehensive report from Woodsy on this.

"...APS, why all the drama? Flank Velocity...?"
1) After all, I very well could have witnessed "history in the making".

2) "Flank" means all-out: "Velocity" and "rapidity" are word-substitutes for s***d—which, I think you'll agree—is to be avoided in these times.

3) Maybe you haven't observed "The NHMP Inboards of Antiquity". The one described had its engines screaming: even then, I doubt it broke 35. :blush: :p:o :blush: :rolleye2:

"...You must have been going pretty fast yourself to see all this.............."
The entire viewing of this "chase" (such as it was, for the MPs) took place within 1½ miles of my stationary position. :rolleye1:

[BroadHopper]

I heard third hand that people known to GH marina in Wolfeboro have gotten tickets. Four of them.

Must be targeting the old wooden boats...................
Easier to pick up on the radar! :emb:

[Woodsy]

Its going to get REALLY interesting in a few weeks/months.

A key provision of HB-847 was that NO SPECIFIC FINE was established for a speeding violation. The fine (if there is one) will be set by the Judge... Yup the JUDGE!

Any and all speeding tickets written on Lake Winnipesaukee will result in a court hearing... That means the offender will have to take a day off, a few hours of court time etc... I wonder what thats going to cost our already overburdened and underfunded judiciary!

Gotta love these "No Cost" laws!

Woodsy

[LIforrelaxin]

Its going to get REALLY interesting in a few weeks/months.

A key provision of HB-847 was that NO SPECIFIC FINE was established for a speeding violation. The fine (if there is one) will be set by the Judge... Yup the JUDGE!

Any and all speeding tickets written on Lake Winnipesaukee will result in a court hearing... That means the offender will have to take a day off, a few hours of court time etc... I wonder what thats going to cost our already overburdened and underfunded judiciary!

Gotta love these "No Cost" laws!

Woodsy

Insteresting observance Woody..... a few comments on this as I see it.

This is a good thing as I see it. instead of handing out a fine and being done, assuming the boater just pays the fine, the case will end up in court. In which case, all the information can get brought out, such as, just how fast the boat was going, the proximaty of other boats, the weather conditions etc etc.

For all of you opposed to the speed limit this is what you want, people will be able to fight the case that they where going fast, but not endagering anyone.

it also what people like me want to see.... I believe in speed control on the water but only to a point. Wide open areas like the broads should be speed zone free. It is only the congested areas like Wolfboro Harbor, Center Harbor, and the Wiers that need the speed limit...... Making Meradith Bay a no wake zone was in my mind one of the better moves....

Anyway just some thoughts, and once again, thanks for that bit of information Woodsy....

[tis]

If that is the case Woodsy, it will be interesting to see how long it takes to get the case INTO court! A month, 6 months, a year???

[sunset on the dock]

Will the offender be required to go to court? That in and of itself would be a major deterrent to breaking the law, given time required off from work, travel, etc.

[VtSteve]

Will the offender be required to go to court? That in and of itself would be a major deterrent to breaking the law, given time required off from work, travel, etc.

I would think so as well. Once the speeding and drunk driving laws went into effect, we haven't seen many people breaking those laws :laugh:

[Pineedles]

Not only would the ticketee need to be in court but also the ticketor. That will mean either alot of dismissed cases or the MP will be off the lake fairly often. Oh how our gov't is soooo smart when they pass laws.:rolleye1:

[sunset on the dock]

I would think so as well. Once the speeding and drunk driving laws went into effect, we haven't seen many people breaking those laws :laugh:

Seriously though, my point is that with a land speeding ticket one needn't go to court. You can bet if people were required to go to court for every highway speeding ticket that they would play real close attention to the speed limits.

[Woodsy]

You will be issued a summons to appear... you cant just mail in the fine.... this insures EVERYONE will be required to appear in front of a judge and plead thier case. (Not to say the prosecutors might offer some sort of plea deal -maybe $50 fine and it doesnt affect driving record or some such deal). The pleas deal would save the courts time and $$$.

As Tis asks... How long to get into court?

That remains to be seen. It should be interesting to see how that plays out. Especially considering the P/T status of most officers. The MP officer that issued the ticket will be REQUIRED to appear as well. (Same as an auto speeding violation)

In the off chance that any of the law abiding forum members here should get a ticket, make sure you make a note of issuing officer and prevalent conditions... boat traffic, lake chop, time of day etc. Especially note the type of radar unit used...

Woodsy

[wifi]

Don't officers testify in court during their off hours/days, thereby getting OT? Interesting incentive, if true.

[Woodsy]

I doubt they get overtime pay for court appearances... No doubt its scheduled far in advance.

Woodsy

[sunset on the dock]

I would think that many go fast boaters, in light of the kind of money that they have to pour down their gas tanks, would rather just pay the fine and have it all over with. Having to go spend a day in court....now that's a real disincentive to speed.

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=Acres per Second;96125]:confused:

So you wrote on the 27th—but on the previous day, you state this (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95559&postcount=19):
:rolleye2: :confused: :rolleye1: :confused:

Was there a memo involved here? :confused:


Write non sequiturs much? :rolleye2:

Real estate references are everywhere on these pages: Lake Winnipesaukee's edges have evolved into a decidedly residential, even suburban, environment.



Just wondering.. Is there a particular reason you like to piecemail many different posts then bring them together to make points that really weren't part of the original conversation? Just happen to see a pattern.

In one post I was discussing the new limits that they weren't going to keep me off the lake that particular day. Then we were discussing boat traffic of which I was fed up with and docked the boat..

I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish? serious question.. I mean are you literally just trying to start controversies?

I don't care either way.. If so have at it but just curious. No offiense intended.. Just making conversation and poking a little fun.

Play on.

[Mee-n-Mac]

:confused:
I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish? serious question.. I mean are you literally just trying to start controversies?


You are new here aren't you .... :devil:

[OCDACTIVE]

I would think that many go fast boaters, in light of the kind of money that they have to pour down their gas tanks, would rather just pay the fine and have it all over with. Having to go spend a day in court....now that's a real disincentive to speed.

You are correct in many respects, however now that it is linked to your MVR and they are not issuing fines, only summons where you have to appear. Paying the fine isn't that simple.

[OCDACTIVE]

You are new here aren't you .... :devil:

LOL.. maybe in comparrison yes...... I mean I don't mind good heated discussion even arguments. but I just don't see why piece mailing posts from different threads to try to draw a conclusion or find some type of ambiguity is necessary. Or frankly where one finds the time to do so and go through the effort. I mean what is there to accomplish other then to start a controversy over nothing.

It is one thing if it is a discussion on a specific point but in this case it just seems silly..

But to each his own I guess.. Whatever gets their rocks off.

Well regardless of "boat traffic" "limits" "gas prices" or anything else that can be pulled from other threads and pieced together........:D.............. I am heading up this weekend. Thinking of heading to the Naswa on Saturday for lunch.. If any of you Performance boating enthusiasts who are alive and well would like to meet up, would be great to finally put the posts with the name and face.


And no offense Acres Per Second.. Just poking fun.. Have at it.. I am always up for a good laugh!

Cheers.

[DoTheMath]

OCD~ Water off a ducks back man - let it go. :D:rolleye2: Been there, done that (with APS) and it's a long and unfulfilling road at the end. You figured it out, now back to our regularly-scheduled program ;)

Great pick on your 28' - Pat builds a monster ride and stands behind them 100%! Enjoy it, I think there's a 33' in your not-too-distant future... isn't Remedy still for sale!? ;)

See you on the water -

-Mark-

[VtSteve]

You are new here aren't you .... :devil:

Geez, now I have Fresca all over my screen.

BTW OD, I'll bet you have absolutely no idea how many acres per second your boat occupies on the lake at any given rate of speed do ya? With the 150' bubble around you and other boats, the math is an incredible exercise. You may need a long lunch at the NAswa. We could first start off computing it at Flank Velocity :D

Do they have lobster rolls at the Naswa?

[OCDACTIVE]

Geez, now I have Fresca all over my screen.

BTW OD, I'll bet you have absolutely no idea how many acres per second your boat occupies on the lake at any given rate of speed do ya? With the 150' bubble around you and other boats, the math is an incredible exercise. You may need a long lunch at the NAswa. We could first start off computing it at Flank Velocity :D

Do they have lobster rolls at the Naswa?

Ok.. LMAO!!! I just spit beer on the screen.. Fresca????? :eek:


Yes sounds like a good lunch.. Not sure on the lobster roll, but you may have to take out a mortgage to afford it at their prices.. LOL..

But it comes with spicy curley fries so its worth it... :laugh:

Maybe Acres Per Second would like to join us?:rolleye2:

[hazelnut]

[QUOTE=Acres per Second;96125]:confused:

So you wrote on the 27th—but on the previous day, you state this (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95559&postcount=19):
:rolleye2: :confused: :rolleye1: :confused:

Was there a memo involved here? :confused:


Write non sequiturs much? :rolleye2:

Real estate references are everywhere on these pages: Lake Winnipesaukee's edges have evolved into a decidedly residential, even suburban, environment.



Just wondering.. Is there a particular reason you like to piecemail many different posts then bring them together to make points that really weren't part of the original conversation? Just happen to see a pattern.

In one post I was discussing the new limits that they weren't going to keep me off the lake that particular day. Then we were discussing boat traffic of which I was fed up with and docked the boat..

I just don't see what you are trying to accomplish? serious question.. I mean are you literally just trying to start controversies?

I don't care either way.. If so have at it but just curious. No offiense intended.. Just making conversation and poking a little fun.

Play on.

OCD didn't you know that APS was a member of the Warren Commission? :laugh: Conspiracies man..... they're all around us man..... :laugh:

APS, it is entertaining and sometimes really really confusing to read your posts. Oftentimes I get so lost in the logic I get a brain cramp. :laugh: Good stuff though keep on keepin it real.

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=OCDACTIVE;96197]



APS, it is entertaining and sometimes really really confusing to read your posts. Oftentimes I get so lost in the logic I get a brain cramp. :laugh: Good stuff though keep on keepin it real.

Thats because I have been drink'n.. LOL.. I sometimes fail to find my logic.. But whatever I type its always correct.. LMAO!!! :eek::laugh::eek:

[SIKSUKR]

[QUOTE=OCDACTIVE;96197]

OCD didn't you know that APS was a member of the Warren Commission? :laugh: Conspiracies man..... they're all around us man..... :laugh:

APS, it is entertaining and sometimes really really confusing to read your posts. Oftentimes I get so lost in the logic I get a brain cramp. :laugh: Good stuff though keep on keepin it real.

I'm pretty sure he is the only one that understands his posts.

[OCDACTIVE]

[QUOTE=hazelnut;96214]

I'm pretty sure he is the only one that understands his posts.

Sorry.... I don't follow you.. Please clairify.. LOL :D:laugh::D

[livefreeordie]

If I won the lotto I would get something like this....
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/10441/digi30411698.jpg
or this
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/10441/digi30411660.jpg
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/10441/digi30411664.jpg
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/10441/digi30411668.jpg
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/10441/digi30411678.jpg
http://media.channelblade.com/boat_graphics/dealers/10441/digi30411670.jpg
but I think people might be mad with me zipping around at 198mph sounding like a jet taking off lol....
Looks like a good weekend coming up who will be out on the water?

[OCDACTIVE]

I've seen those down in key west... Very nice.. I would prefer the new 43 Active Thunder that is being built. Stay tuned for pics. ;)

[livefreeordie]

Do you go down on the poker run and for the races? I have been going since I was a kid.... I miss the old popeye's, Gentry Eagle, InXs, Little Caesars Pizza days......

[OCDACTIVE]

Do you go down on the poker run and for the races? I have been going since I was a kid.... I miss the old popeye's, Gentry Eagle, InXs, Little Caesars Pizza days......

A couple years back.. but since my son was born I haven't been able to make it to any races... I will be down at the Miami Boat show this coming year..

[livefreeordie]

A couple years back.. but since my son was born I haven't been able to make it to any races... I will be down at the Miami Boat show this coming year..
I have never made it to that boat show, my dad always works it for Nor-tech im going to try and go next year.....
the new 40 roadster that they showed at this years show along with the new 80
http://www.doublerperformance.com/images/cuttin_loose_st_petes.jpg
http://img.nauticexpo.it/images_ne/photo-g/barca-offshore-motor-yacht-182559.jpg

[OCDACTIVE]

Both GREAT boats. I love Nor-Tech. One of the top boats in the industry. Would love to see a turbine cat running the broads.. But in reality by the time they are wound up they would have to get ready to turn around. :eek:

[livefreeordie]

remember when we had boat races on the lake I think it always happened the first or 2nd week in june..... for a few of those years we had a few big boys show up...

[tis]

I do "live free". Weren't they great? It was so much fun to go out there and watch them. Once we saw them get thrown out when they went around a corner. They were ok. I wish they could bring them back.

[ishoot308]

Remember when they had the hydroplane boat races over at the Moore dam in Littleton?? That was a while ago and not sure why they stopped as quite the crowd would show up. It was great fun to watch!

Dan

[OCDACTIVE]

OCD~ Water off a ducks back man - let it go. :D:rolleye2: Been there, done that (with APS) and it's a long and unfulfilling road at the end. You figured it out, now back to our regularly-scheduled program ;)

Great pick on your 28' - Pat builds a monster ride and stands behind them 100%! Enjoy it, I think there's a 33' in your not-too-distant future... isn't Remedy still for sale!? ;)

See you on the water -

-Mark-

hey mark.. I have heard the same thing from others as well.... so not even going to go there. Thanks for the heads up.

Thank you. Actually I can not see going to the 33. It really wouldn't fit in the places I am going to use it. Steve is no longer selling Remedy and I am very happy to see that. I will be running next to her in Virginia at Jammin on the James. You should join us.

You going up this weekend? Naswa lunch?

[BroadHopper]

The Formula won't be out of the upholstery shop in time for this weekend. Hope to see you guys for lunch at the NASWA. Anybody taking riders? :confused:

[OCDACTIVE]

The Formula won't be out of the upholstery shop in time for this weekend. Hope to see you guys for lunch at the NASWA. Anybody taking riders? :confused:

I wish I had room. I literally am full up with a boat full of guys... Just need a rainbow flag and people would get a hell of a laugh.. :eek::D:laugh:

[DoTheMath]

hey mark.. I have heard the same thing from others as well.... so not even going to go there. Thanks for the heads up.

Thank you. Actually I can not see going to the 33. It really wouldn't fit in the places I am going to use it. Steve is no longer selling Remedy and I am very happy to see that. I will be running next to her in Virginia at Jammin on the James. You should join us.

You going up this weekend? Naswa lunch?

Yeah, I knew he was wavering back and fourth on selling it last time I checked... plus the 28' really is perfect for our water up there, and will handle runs like the "Jammin' " just fine too.

I'm pretty sure I won't be up this weekend, I've got little guy duty (have a 4 yr old son) all weekend as my wife has a wedding shower and another event to attend. Next time for sure though... :cool:

[Rose]

I wish I had room. I literally am full up with a boat full of guys... Just need a rainbow flag and people would get a hell of a laugh.. :eek::D:laugh:

Hey, it's LGBT Pride month...go for the flag.

[OCDACTIVE]

Hey, it's LGBT Pride month...go for the flag.

UMMM NEGATIVE!!! .. Don't think my wife would like that.. nor I.. Going on the record here... Just making a joke...... :D (any Sienfeld fans here) "Not that there is anything wrong with that":laugh:

[Acres per Second]

"...Is there a particular reason you like to piecemail many different posts then bring them together to make points..."
1) I'm not sure what you mean, but some of us use "parsing" to keep unrelated, excessive, verbiage out.

2) If you meant controversy, it's what brings viewers (and advertisers) to forums in the first place. The word "controversy" even appeared in Tuesday's fishing-poles discussion!

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95911&postcount=6

3) Don has put together a very sophisticated site for us: If this site doesn't load, it's only then that I check on one other (an even more sophisticated site) to check on blips within the Internet or server operability.

4) One example of this sophistication is a small box at the lower right corner of our posts here. You can click on several posts for your response, then click "quote" to answer all at once in a single post. (Just as I have done with today's response).

Most forums don't have this capability (including this country's largest forum), which has the advantage of keeping posters from "serial posts". (Answering one person in a single post, then another in the following post, then a third in the following post—and so on).

(You might know those posters by a much-less-than-complimentary term that can't be mentioned at family-friendly sites). :eek:

Although you have been extended a honeymoon-moratorium on a recent restriction—a maximum of five-posts-per-day here—"parsing" allows more information using fewer posts.

"...Oftentimes I get so lost in the logic I get a brain cramp..."
...and...
"...I'll bet you have absolutely no idea how many acres per second your boat occupies on the lake at any given rate of speed do ya...?"
Hopefully, OCD can work out the Logic and does know.

"...Not only would the ticketee need to be in court but also the ticketor..."
Isn't this a bit premature? NOBODY (that we know of) has shown us a 2009 citation yet and we don't know what is written on it yet.

"...That will mean either alot of dismissed cases or the MP will be off the lake fairly often..."
Officers' appearances are scheduled to combine different court appearances by the officer during the same workday. Depending on the officer's activities, that day could include an array of a citations.

If that is the case Woodsy, it will be interesting to see how long it takes to get the case INTO court! A month, 6 months, a year???
I think you're thinking of your civil court experiences where delays are the general rule. You might consider a "hardship" delay for traffic court—especially if from out of state.


"...OCD, didn't you know that APS was a member of the Warren Commission...?"
You have no idea just how close you were with that.

Shoot a PM to member Skip.

[hilltopper]

Remember when they had the hydroplane boat races over at the Moore dam in Littleton?? That was a while ago and not sure why they stopped as quite the crowd would show up. It was great fun to watch!

Dan

I remember sitting on the rocks and wathching those. Good times.....

[Woodsy]

APS...

As usual your a more than little short on the facts.... We dont need to see a 2009 Citation to know exactly how the law works.

The way the HB-847 is written, there is NO set fine. If the person is found guilty, the fine is to be set by the presiding judge. This INSURES that both the MP Officer that wrote the ticket, and the person who recieved the ticket will have to appear in front of a Judge! The prosecutor may plea the case down to a small fine or driving class with no driving record infraction, etc as they see fit on a case by case basis to save the court time and money. They do this all the time with automotive speeding tickets.

I am also not confusing criminal court with civil court. A friend of mine got an automotive speeding ticket and his court date was set for approximately 3 months after the date of the alleged violation. (I say alleged because he hasnt gone to court yet) Speeding tickets are a VERY LOW priority as far as the courts are concerned..... especially given the current budget crunch the courts are facing.

Woodsy

[OCDACTIVE]

APS...

As usual your a more than little short on the facts.... We dont need to see a 2009 Citation to know exactly how the law works.

The way the HB-847 is written, there is NO set fine. If the person is found guilty, the fine is to be set by the presiding judge. This INSURES that both the MP Officer that wrote the ticket, and the person who recieved the ticket will have to appear in front of a Judge! The prosecutor may plea the case down to a small fine or driving class with no driving record infraction, etc as they see fit on a case by case basis to save the court time and money. They do this all the time with automotive speeding tickets.

I am also not confusing criminal court with civil court. A friend of mine got a speeding ticket and his court date was set for approximately 3 months after the date of the alleged violation. (I say alleged because he hasnt gone to court yet) Speeding tickets are a VERY LOW priority as far as the courts are concerned..... especially given the current budget crunch the courts are facing.

Woodsy

Hey Woodsy,

Do you know or are you able to post the details of the alleged speeding? location? what the officer said? etc etc?

[Woodsy]

OCD...

\I was referring to an automotive violation. Not a lake violation. Sorry about that! I will edit my post!

Woodsy

[DoTheMath]

I love this site! :D

[hazelnut]

APS...

As usual your a more than little short on the facts.... We dont need to see a 2009 Citation to know exactly how the law works.

The way the HB-847 is written, there is NO set fine. If the person is found guilty, the fine is to be set by the presiding judge. This INSURES that both the MP Officer that wrote the ticket, and the person who recieved the ticket will have to appear in front of a Judge! The prosecutor may plea the case down to a small fine or driving class with no driving record infraction, etc as they see fit on a case by case basis to save the court time and money. They do this all the time with automotive speeding tickets.

I am also not confusing criminal court with civil court. A friend of mine got an automotive speeding ticket and his court date was set for approximately 3 months after the date of the alleged violation. (I say alleged because he hasnt gone to court yet) Speeding tickets are a VERY LOW priority as far as the courts are concerned..... especially given the current budget crunch the courts are facing.

Woodsy

Thanks for the qualification Woodsy. I had no idea that there were no set fines. Why would they write it that way?????? Especially if they didn't want it to cost the state any money???? Pretty stupid in my opinion.

[VtSteve]

:confused:

So you wrote on the 27th—but on the previous day, you state this (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95559&postcount=19):
:rolleye2: :confused: :rolleye1: :confused:

Was there a memo involved here? :confused:


Write non sequiturs much? :rolleye2:

Real estate references are everywhere on these pages: Lake Winnipesaukee's edges have evolved into a decidedly residential, even suburban, environment.

The days of open exhaust are gone: Every season, discussions of boat damage to lakefront properties are raised.

Lake Norman, mentioned here (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95555&postcount=18) this week, once had a boat run out of the lake to hit a truck on the Interstate!



We have a member here who not only knows Donzi/Donzi-supporters on this lake, he has ample "street creds" (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13473&postcount=14). Thank you, but I'll await a comprehensive report from Woodsy on this.


1) After all, I very well could have witnessed "history in the making".

2) "Flank" means all-out: "Velocity" and "rapidity" are word-substitutes for s***d—which, I think you'll agree—is to be avoided in these times.

3) Maybe you haven't observed "The NHMP Inboards of Antiquity". The one described had its engines screaming: even then, I doubt it broke 35. :blush: :p:o :blush: :rolleye2:

I was trying to think back, Waaaaay back to the old days, when the MP had Century Ravens, the old wood ones. I beieve they got some updates when they bought some Century fiberglass boats. I'm sure they could do at least 40's in those beasts, but they didn't look comfortable at all.

The entire viewing of this "chase" (such as it was, for the MPs) took place within 1½ miles of my stationary position. :rolleye1:

1) I'm not sure what you mean, but some of us use "parsing" to keep unrelated, excessive, verbiage out.

2) If you meant controversy, it's what brings viewers (and advertisers) to forums in the first place. The word "controversy" even appeared in Tuesday's fishing-poles discussion!

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=95911&postcount=6

3) Don has put together a very sophisticated site for us: If this site doesn't load, it's only then that I check on one other (an even more sophisticated site) to check on blips within the Internet or server operability.

4) One example of this sophistication is a small box at the lower right corner of our posts here. You can click on several posts for your response, then click "quote" to answer all at once in a single post. (Just as I have done with today's response).

Most forums don't have this capability (including this country's largest forum), which has the advantage of keeping posters from "serial posts". (Answering one person in a single post, then another in the following post, then a third in the following post—and so on).

(You might know those posters by a much-less-than-complimentary term that can't be mentioned at family-friendly sites). :eek:

Although you have been extended a honeymoon-moratorium on a recent restriction—a maximum of five-posts-per-day here—"parsing" allows more information using fewer posts.


...and...

Hopefully, OCD can work out the Logic and does know.


Isn't this a bit premature? NOBODY (that we know of) has shown us a 2009 citation yet and we don't know what is written on it yet.


Officers' appearances are scheduled to combine different court appearances by the officer during the same workday. Depending on the officer's activities, that day could include an array of a citations.


I think you're thinking of your civil court experiences where delays are the general rule. You might consider a "hardship" delay for traffic court—especially if from out of state.


You have no idea just how close you were with that.

Shoot a PM to member Skip.



I tried this multi quote thing out. I obviously need much more practice, but every time, it says my post is too short. Frankly, I got lost while doing it and forgot what the heck I was looking at.

I know two things as a past lakefront guy that worried me.

1) Cruiser wakes
2) boats plowing at lower than plane speed.

I never worried about angry waves at high velocity. Most of the time fast boats went by their waves were barely high enough to call them bumps.

[OCDACTIVE]

So.......................... what performance boat enthusiast is around this weekend.. Thinking Naswa 11:30 on Sat?? 80 degrees.. If I have room I will grab you but as of now I am full up...

[Acres per Second]

Hey Woodsy,
Do you know or are you able to post the details of the alleged speeding? location? what the officer said? etc etc?
What OCD said... :rolleye1:

"...The way the HB-847 is written, there is NO set fine..."
Then what, exactly, appears on "your friend's" citation?

"...I obviously need much more practice, but every time, it says my post is too short. Frankly, I got lost while doing it and forgot what the heck I was looking at..."
Well, you do need to write something! (But congratulations on this first successful attempt). ;)

If you see one of these (note the lower case) [/QUOTE] then it's a stray. Go back and delete the unnecessary [/QUOTE] .

You picked a difficult thread to practice on, due to the oversized photos—of the already oversized boats. :rolleye2:

"...We dont need to see a 2009 Citation to know exactly how the law works..."
But have you seen a 2009 citation? :confused:

(You left out the word steenkin', btw). :rolleye2:

"...Why would they write it that way?????? Especially if they didn't want it to cost the state any money???? Pretty stupid in my opinion.
I'd agree.

BTW: I'm reading that boaters and residents are being discouraged :confused: from calling-in offenders!

And that this new rule was to be "self-enforcing".

>>>>>>>>>...sigh...<<<<<<<<<

Folks, "It's The New Hampshire Way".

[brk-lnt]

So.......................... what performance boat enthusiast is around this weekend.. Thinking Naswa 11:30 on Sat?? 80 degrees.. If I have room I will grab you but as of now I am full up...

We'll be up, not sure when/if we'll be on the water, but I'm right down the bay at South Down Shores...

[OCDACTIVE]

We'll be up, not sure when/if we'll be on the water, but I'm right down the bay at South Down Shores...

Well if you are around, stop by and please introduce yourself. I will have a white active thunder hat on and probably one of my offshore racing t-shirts.

We plan on getting there around 1130am to make sure we can get a spot.

[fatlazyless]

Golly gee willikers....using my eye and my thumb as a speed guage, I just clocked a big green, blue and white go-fast, green & blue vinyl graphics on a white hull, maybe 32'er w/ some good loud exhausts, speed thru the Buoy 3 narrows at 56.4-mph. Excuse me while I go jump into my kayak and go make a citizen's arrest here.

Anyone seen the new speed limit, rules sign which has been placed at local boat launches like the Meredith town docks? :) NIce job to someone in Concord who crafted the sign at the DOT sign shop.:) It is short on words, and long on easy-to-understand pictures, which does a good job to quickly explain this new law to boaters.:D

[Nadia]

I'm not sure about anyone else, but APS & FLL crack me up. You two are hysterical. I too have attempted the art of "parsing" and failed miserably. APS's use of different sized fonts, different colors, excerpts and quotes paint a very clear picture of what he is saying. Call me sick in the head, but I find it hilarious. Even when it's something I don't agree with I have to laugh. And I am laughing not AT you APS. Please don't take offense. Now the thought of FLL running out his door, diving into the water, struggling into his kayak and chasing a boat full of tourists screaming "citizens arrest" has me laughing out loud, very loud (LOLVL). My husband has asked me "what's so funny" five or six times now. Thank you for the free entertainment.

OCD...would you happen to know how big of a foot print your boat makes on the lake, in comparison to a sea kayak? :D

On a more serious note...we have a police officer in the "family-in-law". He has confirmed that Police Officers are paid time and a half for their appearance in Court. Not sure if it's the same for MP Officers. SKIP TO THE FRONT DESK PLEASE! :laugh:

[OCDACTIVE]

Golly gee willikers....using my eye and my thumb as a speed guage, I just clocked a big green, blue and white go-fast, green & blue vinyl graphics on a white hull, maybe 32'er w/ some good loud exhausts, speed thru the Buoy 3 narrows at 56.4-mph. Excuse me while I go jump into my kayak and go make a citizen's arrest here.

Anyone seen the new speed limit, rules sign which has been placed at local boat launches like the Meredith town docks? :) NIce job to someone in Concord who crafted the sign at the DOT sign shop.:) It is short on words, and long on easy-to-understand pictures, which does a good job to quickly explain this new law to boaters.:D

I think it looked differently from this angle :D

I did see a kayaker paddling as if their arms were going to fall off.. Was that you? :laugh:

[partsman]

I can tell by the wake that you are doing 44.2 mph in this picture:D

[Acres per Second]

And not facing forward...:rolleye1:

[OCDACTIVE]

I can tell by the wake that you are doing 44.2 mph in this picture:D

Great work.. I believe it was exactly 44.2 give or take 25 mph.. :D

[OCDACTIVE]

And not facing forward...:rolleye1:


Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair. :rolleye2:

[VtSteve]

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair. :rolleye2:


Hey, even though his quick knock was inaccurate, as usual, at least he didn't add another barb towards GPS :laugh:

[OCDACTIVE]

Hey, even though his quick knock was inaccurate, as usual, at least he didn't add another barb towards GPS :laugh:

Haven't installed or purchased a GPS yet.... Due to those postings I am afraid of heading to Alton and end up on Point Sabago and get ridiculed. :eek::D:laugh:

[colt17]

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

[Seaplane Pilot]

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

Sorry - couldn't resist :laugh:

[OCDACTIVE]

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?


Not that I know of... That would mean that actual data is available. Something that proponents have tried to keep out of public knowledge.

By the way the toilet picture made me LMAO!!!!!!!:laugh:

[VtSteve]

is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?

Given the issue, I would think that every local and state news organization would be keeping their ears and eyes peeled for just such an instance. The Marine Patrol isn't expecting to issue many tickets, and I think they'll be issued as needed when other actions come into play. ie: perhaps reckless, too close, whatever. They don't seem particularly concerned or bothered by boats that may be doing 60 or so. Most don't do it for long.

Merrill Fay stated last year that people had already slowed down, and he noted an increase in activity with more people on the lake. He also said it quieted the lake down, and apparently the law was working and all was well. BTW, the law went into effect January 1st this year, after everything was ok.

My guess is the MP would want the first few tickets issued to Gross offenders that were also doing something else wrong that everybody disagreed with. I'm quite positive they'll have a couple of those to issue if history is any guide.

[hazelnut]

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair. :rolleye2:

But OCD those are facts :rolleye2: Don't clog it up with facts.... It plays much better if APS can say you were driving and taking the picture at the same time. Oh wait I just smelled the picture.... yup... I smell beer. You reckless crazy man! :laugh::laugh::laugh: And I can tell from the picture that you have a toddler on the bow of the boat.... Not that I can see it I just..."sense" it. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[OCDACTIVE]

But OCD those are facts :rolleye2: Don't clog it up with facts.... It plays much better if APS can say you were driving and taking the picture at the same time. Oh wait I just smelled the picture.... yup... I smell beer. You reckless crazy man! :laugh::laugh::laugh: And I can tell from the picture that you have a toddler on the bow of the boat.... Not that I can see it I just..."sense" it. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


Damn.. You must have been the kayaker who saw me and tried to make a citizens arrest:laugh::laugh: :laugh:

I was trying to take apart multiple posts you have made in the past years to prove a point but I couldn't figure out how to do it.:D

Anyway, leaving shortly for the lake. I was going to put the boat in today but may wait until tomorrow or maybe not at all... Weather is not looking good.

[trfour]

WOW Gorgeous boat!!!! Would love to see a pic of the engines!

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you, I had a hard drive crash, did some traveling and had to buy a new computer.

I lent the only picture I had to a buddy to dress up his office when he moved from the shop into sales when we worked together at Grappone Ford heavy Truck, down in Concord. It ended up missing.

I do have a picture of two 750 HP engines that look very simaler, excepting the 900 HP had two 1350 cfm doual feed hollies on a high rise
tunnle Ram intake manifold.
750's http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=461

Distant Thunder Getting Wet.

Short Throttle's Up, while heading for open water.

[OCDACTIVE]

Wow.. Great looking boat!!... I wished mine looked like that when heading to open water. :D

[trfour]

Wow.. Great looking boat!!... I wished mine looked like that when heading to open water. :D


Getting to open water is a rush, although "Distant Thunder" was built to roam the oceans! I enjoyed the offshore boat races here on Lake Winnipesaukee while I lived here, and they lasted. I can't help but feel the rush that you feel by being able to enjoy your beautiful boat here as well.

I think that the new speed limit is very limiting, however the verdict will
be limiting as well.

Now to get back to where we left shore.

On only two engines, mind you and everyone. "Because of the deep V hull, the third outdrive was mounted lower on the transom, and when under full power the rooster tail was 75' tall behind this boat." Trust me.

"Boats Or What", ya got to love Em':)

[HUH]

Personaly I think speed is relative.. My boat did not come with a speedometer but id guess it goes 70 something.. We were out the other day heading across the broads.. Typical situation where the 4 big cruisers all headed across my bow from the west all failed to stand down.. upon looking to my stern I realized another 35+ footer was full bore up my stern.. IMHO I had no choice but to avoid this typical situation with liberal use of the throttle.. It all worked out well and I remembered to give them all the universal signal.. :D

[Airwaves]

Originally Posted by colt17
is there a place to find out how many speeding tickets have been given todate?
Originally posted by VTSteve
Given the issue, I would think that every local and state news organization would be keeping their ears and eyes peeled for just such an instance.
Not to contradict, but as I pointed out during the debate that must not be mentioned, Lake Winnipesaukee is just a blip on the overall news screen outside of the Lakes Region in NH, and isn't even a blip on the Boston media screen.

A speeding ticket does not news make! A forum like this is the place where that information is most likely to show up but only if someone wants to do the legwork and go over to Glendale on a regular basis and look.

[Bear Islander]

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

[BroadHopper]

The MP's must have been concentrating their time looking for speeders.
The Captain Boneheads and Drunks were out full force!
Captain Pontoon came within feets of my boat as I am anchored in a Timber Island cove with grandkids in the water!

[jrc]

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

But remember "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" or was it the other way around?

[VtSteve]

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

Perhaps some will. But the MP had a statement in the paper not long ago about proponents expectations. Did you read it?

[Kings Bluff]

From what I saw last week the MP's aren't enforcing the speed limits in Alton Bay. Boats continue to roar by at all hours of the day and night.:eek:

[fatlazyless]

Today, for the last two hours, that expensive looking helicopter slowly moving about the lake up at 500' or so, is probably the state police chopper. So, don't forget to smile and wave :):D, and maybe you'll get to be televised on a soon-to-be-seen TruTV police epic!

Live from Lake Winnipesaukee....those boats can run....but can they hide....from the law enforcement eye in the sky:cool:?

[Airwaves]

:emb:Originally posted by FLL
Today, for the last two hours, that expensive looking helicopter slowly moving about the lake up at 500' or so, is probably the state police chopper. So, don't forget to smile and wave , and maybe you'll get to be televised on a soon-to-be-seen TruTV police epic!

Live from Lake Winnipesaukee....those boats can run....but can they hide....from the law enforcement eye in the sky?
At an average operating cost of $431.70 dollars an hour for a standard Bell 407 helicopter (http://www.bellhelicopter.com/en/aircraft/commercial/pdf/407_2006_jan_web.pdf) (not a helicopter with additional police equipment, avionics or personel) I doubt that the NHSP will be doing the "eye in the sky" trick very often over Lake Winnipesaukee to maybe watch for a boat or two!

[pm203]

I know of several people who have allready hit 100 mph on the lake this year. And a new 52 foot performance boat was just dropped in the lake this weekend. As far as Fay saying the lake is quieter? Its the weather.

[Acres per Second]

"...As far as Fay saying the lake is quieter? Its the weather..."
At noon yesterday, I counted 28 sailboats between Welch Island and Alton on The Broads. At that same moment, there were fewer powerboats! :eek:

Look closely at the picture.. It wasn't taken from the captains chair. :rolleye2:
Here? (http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/showpost.php?p=97545&postcount=97)

Unless present, how can one make that assertion? :confused:

The "driver" could have temporarily left his navigational duties and taken the picture at arm's length: That would account for the extreme tilt to the horizon. (Or a terrified passenger—maybe). :rolleye2:

[livefreeordie]

I spent both days on the water, sat on my dads nor-tech for the poker run and sun on my wakeboard boat with friends. Both days were full of people passing within 50ft under way and people not knowing the rules about standing down to boats on your right....

All weekend I felt surrounded by people who just got there first boat and had no clue what the rules were....

BTW big thanks to the big shot in his big Regal cruiser that smashed my dads boat into the dock messing up the paint and then acting like its no big deal and boats are meant to be scratched.... him and his whole crew were rude and very UN simpathetic.... people like that should be kicked off the lake back to ware they came from.... my Guess in NY or CT

[jrc]

LFOD if a guy smashed my boat into the dock and messed up the paint, I'd be looking for his insurance company, he can keep the sympathy.

[AB_Monterey]

I spent both days on the water, sat on my dads nor-tech for the poker run and sun on my wakeboard boat with friends. Both days were full of people passing within 50ft under way and people not knowing the rules about standing down to boats on your right....

All weekend I felt surrounded by people who just got there first boat and had no clue what the rules were....

BTW big thanks to the big shot in his big Regal cruiser that smashed my dads boat into the dock messing up the paint and then acting like its no big deal and boats are meant to be scratched.... him and his whole crew were rude and very UN simpathetic.... people like that should be kicked off the lake back to ware they came from.... my Guess in NY or CT

Same here. Hats off to the moron on the "Syphen" who decided to blow past me just outside of the mouth of Alton Bay. He split the distance between myself and another boater who were about 250 ft apart.

[cowisl]

Nice to see many of the performance boats supporting the Easter Seals on Saturday.

[livefreeordie]

Nice to see many of the performance boats supporting the Easter Seals on Saturday.


def a great evet as always.....

[VtSteve]

Same here. Hats off to the moron on the "Syphen" who decided to blow past me just outside of the mouth of Alton Bay. He split the distance between myself and another boater who were about 250 ft apart.

That's better than most at 125' apart on each side :D


Good to see everything's under control over there.

[brk-lnt]

Same here. Hats off to the moron on the "Syphen" who decided to blow past me just outside of the mouth of Alton Bay. He split the distance between myself and another boater who were about 250 ft apart.

Seriously? You're upset because you had 125' feet between boats instead of 150'?

I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of. I keep seeing people getting so bent out of shape if someone comes within 80' of their boat. This is a relatively small lake, there are many places where no more than 2 boats can reasonably pass each other while also maintain adequate distance from shore, each other, other water hazards, etc.

Part of my big problem with the 150' law, is that it seems 1/2 of the people on the lake aren't aware of it, and 1/2 of the remaining bunch can't judge 150' with any degree of accuracy. I would much rather be alert and expect that a boat may come closer than 150' to me then expect people will obey this law.

If someone cuts across your bow or stern with only a dozen feet to spare, they are certainly reckless. If someone passes you 80 feet to the side because the area is congested, or simply because that is the most direct or logical path, you are not in imminent danger of death.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but that is just one that just seems like a waste of legislation.

[hazelnut]

I don't see where the number of tickets make any difference. If there are many, it will be said the limit was needed. If there are few (or none) it will be argued the limit is working.

This is the oppositions "Kobayashi Maru" scenario.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh:
CLASSIC! BI, I got a huge kick outta this one. Whatever the facts may be yes they will ALWAYS support your argument. Thanks for the laugh.

Happy Boating 2009... Is it summer yet?

[AB_Monterey]

Seriously? You're upset because you had 125' feet between boats instead of 150'?

I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of. I keep seeing people getting so bent out of shape if someone comes within 80' of their boat. This is a relatively small lake, there are many places where no more than 2 boats can reasonably pass each other while also maintain adequate distance from shore, each other, other water hazards, etc.

Part of my big problem with the 150' law, is that it seems 1/2 of the people on the lake aren't aware of it, and 1/2 of the remaining bunch can't judge 150' with any degree of accuracy. I would much rather be alert and expect that a boat may come closer than 150' to me then expect people will obey this law.

If someone cuts across your bow or stern with only a dozen feet to spare, they are certainly reckless. If someone passes you 80 feet to the side because the area is congested, or simply because that is the most direct or logical path, you are not in imminent danger of death.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but that is just one that just seems like a waste of legislation.

Yes, I spend alot of time avoiding those that have no idea what 150' feet is or could care less. That said, it is the law and I don't really give a damn if it's the "most direct way" or not.

I am always well aware of what's happening around me. He must've just pulled out of a cove becuse he was not there just seconds before he blew threw there and we always have 4 eyes watching the traffic. My wife is a bit of a paranoid about it.

There was plenty of room to our port for him to safely pass both of us.

[VtSteve]

There was plenty of room to our port for him to safely pass both of us.

And that's generally what I would do as well. It's more proper, less of an annoyance for others, and just a bit more friendly. :)

But he has a point. Many people couldn't judge 150' with a laser rangefinder :rolleye2: I've been within half of that with two to three boats, traveling at (GASP!!!!!!!!!!!:eek) Plane speed. About 25 to 35 is fine.

Like I always say about interstate driving, If you can't travel from Vermont to NH at 75 mph without tapping your brakes without traffic, you really shouldn't be driving. Same at 70 mph, 65 mph .....

[Acres per Second]

"...I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of..."
What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them? :confused:

[chipj29]

Seriously? You're upset because you had 125' feet between boats instead of 150'?

I do my absolute best to obey the 150' law, but damn if that isn't one of the most idiotic boating laws I've ever heard of. I keep seeing people getting so bent out of shape if someone comes within 80' of their boat. This is a relatively small lake, there are many places where no more than 2 boats can reasonably pass each other while also maintain adequate distance from shore, each other, other water hazards, etc.

Part of my big problem with the 150' law, is that it seems 1/2 of the people on the lake aren't aware of it, and 1/2 of the remaining bunch can't judge 150' with any degree of accuracy. I would much rather be alert and expect that a boat may come closer than 150' to me then expect people will obey this law.

If someone cuts across your bow or stern with only a dozen feet to spare, they are certainly reckless. If someone passes you 80 feet to the side because the area is congested, or simply because that is the most direct or logical path, you are not in imminent danger of death.

I'm sure many people will disagree with me, but that is just one that just seems like a waste of legislation.
I think it needs to be pointed out that 3 boats within 250' evenly spaced leaves about 83' between each boat. About half the required 150'.
I do agree that 150' is excessive, as long as each captain is fully aware of the other and their intentions.
What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them? :confused:

Right, because every boat within 150' is going to have a head on crash. I mean seriously, that has happened so many times on Lake Winni, I can't begin to count them all.

[onlywinni]

1. Hello everyone..just found this forum..

Re. The 150 Rule...I have been boating on the lake for about 10 years and it amazes me everyday how many people dont know or refuse to obey the 150 rule. Of course I have to admit judging 150 is not that easy..it is much farther than most people think. Also on the weekends it can be tough to cruise and be that far away all the time. However passing me within 50 feet because I am obeying the rule annoys the hell out of me. The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP:D


Re. Speeding. Has anyone been given a ticket? I was out all weekend and only exceeded the limit once and there was no one around and I was in the broads. I wonder if they will let that stuff go and only look for people doing something stupid like in a crowded bay or channel?

Lastly...my wife and I saw this Ridiculous Streamlined Boat in Alton Bay on Sunday...It must have been 42+ it was all white with a sloped/curved rear and looked SICK...anyone see that before?

[BroadHopper]

Re. Speeding. Has anyone been given a ticket? I was out all weekend and only exceeded the limit once and there was no one around and I was in the broads. I wonder if they will let that stuff go and only look for people doing something stupid like in a crowded bay or channel?

The speed limit law is arbitrary. Not absolute. It also has a reasonable and prudent clause. The MP can stop you at any speed that is not reasonable and prudent. If you were in the Broads and no one is around. I don't think the MP will have probably cause to ticket you if you are over the speed limit.

[onlywinni]

The speed limit law is arbitrary. Not absolute. It also has a reasonable and prudent clause. The MP can stop you at any speed that is not reasonable and prudent. If you were in the Broads and no one is around. I don't think the MP will have probably cause to ticket you if you are over the speed limit.

Thanks for the info....Do they even have radar guns?


ps...Love your Sig and could not agree more

[brk-lnt]

What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them? :confused:

Where did I say I ignored the rule? In fact, I specifically pointed out that I comply with the 150' law as best as possible (sometimes other boaters make it damn near impossible to do so).

[brk-lnt]

I think it needs to be pointed out that 3 boats within 250' evenly spaced leaves about 83' between each boat. About half the required 150'.


Draw it out on a piece of paper.

You would have one boat at "0" feet. Then the second boat at 125 feet, then the third boat at 250 feet.

Ignoring the beam of each boat, if someone splits the difference between you and another boat that is 250' away, you'd have about 125' between each boat.

[wifi]

Draw it out on a piece of paper.

You would have one boat at "0" feet. Then the second boat at 125 feet, then the third boat at 250 feet.

Ignoring the beam of each boat, if someone splits the difference between you and another boat that is 250' away, you'd have about 125' between each boat.

Unless the boat in the middle was 84' wide :laugh:

[chipj29]

Draw it out on a piece of paper.

You would have one boat at "0" feet. Then the second boat at 125 feet, then the third boat at 250 feet.

Ignoring the beam of each boat, if someone splits the difference between you and another boat that is 250' away, you'd have about 125' between each boat.

Gotcha. I was picturiing a different scenario. It made sense to me at the time. :laugh:

[cowisl]

Back on topic...just found out that over 60K was raised on Saturday for the Easter Seals! Nice job to everyone that participated!

[cowisl]

1. Hello everyone..just found this forum..

Re. The 150 Rule...I have been boating on the lake for about 10 years and it amazes me everyday how many people dont know or refuse to obey the 150 rule. Of course I have to admit judging 150 is not that easy..it is much farther than most people think. Also on the weekends it can be tough to cruise and be that far away all the time. However passing me within 50 feet because I am obeying the rule annoys the hell out of me. The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP:D


Re. Speeding. Has anyone been given a ticket? I was out all weekend and only exceeded the limit once and there was no one around and I was in the broads. I wonder if they will let that stuff go and only look for people doing something stupid like in a crowded bay or channel?

Lastly...my wife and I saw this Ridiculous Streamlined Boat in Alton Bay on Sunday...It must have been 42+ it was all white with a sloped/curved rear and looked SICK...anyone see that before?


New 52 Outerlimits SL

[Pricestavern]

Getting to open water is a rush, although "Distant Thunder" was built to roam the oceans! I enjoyed the offshore boat races here on Lake Winnipesaukee while I lived here, and they lasted. I can't help but feel the rush that you feel by being able to enjoy your beautiful boat here as well.

I think that the new speed limit is very limiting, however the verdict will
be limiting as well.

Now to get back to where we left shore.

On only two engines, mind you and everyone. "Because of the deep V hull, the third outdrive was mounted lower on the transom, and when under full power the rooster tail was 75' tall behind this boat." Trust me.

"Boats Or What", ya got to love Em':)

TRFOUR - if I'm not mistaken, in the pictures, you are putting in at the Nortport Power Station ramp on Long Island, NY. How long does it take to run to Connecticut?

[Mee-n-Mac]

New 52 Outerlimits SL

I got an admittedly bad picture of it heading up Alton Bay on Sunday. Alas it's in the camera which is in the camp.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Back on topic...just found out that over 60K was raised on Saturday for the Easter Seals! Nice job to everyone that participated!


That is fantastic! Did everyone have fun? I really enjoyed the boats, (especially the fast ones) though I could not tell which ones were participating. :laugh:

[VtSteve]

What would happen if every boater ignored the rules that annoyed them? :confused:

You are confused, on purpose :laugh:

People ignore, or are ignorant of the laws every single day of the week. The reason you're appearing so confused to yourself, is because you don't really care about what you state you are. You care about sailing, freedom to roam, all of that. You care not for safety, or enforcement, or any of that.

If you genuinely did care for all of that, you'd wonder about the missing link in all of these discussions. You know, the one you never bring up. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

If you picked up on the math quiz, and I'm quite sure you did, you'd know that the problem boater above (rude), was illegal by about 25' per boat. Not a huge sum, but technically in the wrong. But you commented on the principle of it. But I've yet to see you chime in on the other, far more important, and far more dangerous moments. Jet skiis between swimmers.

How about this one?

"The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP
"


No comment APS?

[VtSteve]

Back on topic...just found out that over 60K was raised on Saturday for the Easter Seals! Nice job to everyone that participated!

That's down a little from last year, but phenomenal given the weather and the economy this year. Any news on how much the kayakers contributed?

[trfour]

TRFOUR - if I'm not mistaken, in the pictures, you are putting in at the Nortport Power Station ramp on Long Island, NY. How long does it take to run to Connecticut?

Pricestavern, that would be the place, you have a good eye!.... We were under full power, all three engines, for under 15 minutes. I'd say that we made the trip in about a half hour. Distant Thunder was a big boat, although with 2700 HP it would truck along pretty good. 105 in a four foot chop.

[Acres per Second]

"...But I've yet to see you chime in on the other, far more important, and far more dangerous moments..."
You're new here, aren't you? :laugh: :laugh:

"...'The MPs were out enforcing this rule hardcore this weekend I can say. Some guy in a 18 foot bayliner or something blows by us and 3 other boats in Alton Bay Sunday and the MP is sitting right in the channel-where you have to obey the rule or he has you. This guy broke the 150 on 4 boats and also the MP'...No comment APS?"
I seldom "try" to miss an opportunity to comment. However, in this case, I can only offer that perhaps he was alerted for a specific boat to stop. (Or that his presence was more important as a warning to a specific boater).

MPs can get writer's cramp on weekends.

"...Where did I say I ignored the rule? In fact, I specifically pointed out that I comply with the 150' law as best as possible..."
And I "try" to avoid striking pedestrians. :rolleye2:

"...(sometimes other boaters make it damn near impossible to do so)..."
Sorry other boaters inconvenience you. :rolleye1:

"...Of course I have to admit judging 150 is not that easy..it is much farther than most people think..."
Both observations are very true: For me, I think of 10 canoes, lined up end to end.

"...Any news on how much the kayakers contributed...?"
1) Is that a fair question for a "Poker RUN"? :confused:

2) How could one determine that, anyway? Anyone can contribute freely and without participating. :confused:

[Phantom]

Thanks for the info....Do they even have radar guns?


onlywinni -- it doesn't appear that anyone answered your question -

Yes, the MP most definately have radar guns. I was docked one afternoon in Center Harbor and "chatted it up" with a MP officer docked there early this season. He was very congenial and even showed me the radar unit he was issued. It is about the size of a mid sized pair of binoculars (6"w x 3"h x 8"d approx) it has a monocle sighting window and display's speed & range (distance) and is completely portable i.e no wires. The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range.

Therefore, if you see a MP boat just floating/ idling (as I have seen numerous times since) and the officer has what you think are Binoculars up to his face --- SMILE, your on radar!!

[onlywinni]

onlywinni -- it doesn't appear that anyone answered your question -

Yes, the MP most definately have radar guns. I was docked one afternoon in Center Harbor and "chatted it up" with a MP officer docked there early this season. He was very congenial and even showed me the radar unit he was issued. It is about the size of a mid sized pair of binoculars (6"w x 3"h x 8"d approx) it has a monocle sighting window and display's speed & range (distance) and is completely portable i.e no wires. The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range.

Therefore, if you see a MP boat just floating/ idling (as I have seen numerous times since) and the officer has what you think are Binoculars up to his face --- SMILE, your on radar!!


Thanks for the info.

Looks like I will have to mind my speed or at least get a radar detector for the boat:(

[jrc]

... The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range...



I hope he tries that one in court someday, two boats could a mile apart and still only be a few feet different in range.

[Skip]

Hi jrc,

You are correct, the LIDAR handheld unit being discussed here gives the operator relative opening or closing speed between the gun and the target be measured, and actual distance between the gun and the target at time of measurement. While you could theoretically point the gun at two separate targets on the water the gun will only give you the distance between itself and each target, it does not and cannot measure the distance apart of two separate targets.

The NHMP officer can indeed use the gun to cite you for a 150 foot offense, only if that offense occured between the the gun (NHMP unit) and you. It is not capable of doing the same for two opposing targets in the field.

Skip

[Turtle Boy]

Any news on how much the kayakers contributed?

Got sour grapes???????

[VtSteve]

new here, that is, just observant.

Most had stopped debating facts or their honest thoughts with you many moons ago. Now that I'm not New here anymore, I will follow suit.

I think most on this board want to debate issues they think relevant. Silly issues like safety, common sense and decency. Hopefully, some of the more important discussions will get the attention of those empowered to focus attention on solutions. The only agenda for the vast majority here is to have safe fun, be considerate of others, that sort of thing.

[Turtle Boy]

new here, that is, just observant.

Most had stopped debating facts or their honest thoughts with you many moons ago. Now that I'm not New here anymore, I will follow suit.

I think most on this board want to debate issues they think relevant. Silly issues like safety, common sense and decency. Hopefully, some of the more important discussions will get the attention of those empowered to focus attention on solutions. The only agenda for the vast majority here is to have safe fun, be considerate of others, that sort of thing.

Then why the petty, sourpuss comment about kayakers? Got self righteous indignancy?

[fatlazyless]

...file this one under the...."when do we get there" file....look'n thru my binoculars....there goes a 17' aluminum canoe, like an olde Grumman...with two on board....paddl'n down past south Bear and Dolly Island and either around or onto Mark Island....time will tell....somethin you basically never see....a canoe....hope that canoe knows about the 45-mph speed limit....paddle-paddle-paddle :D

[Tyler]

Just ignore the turtle VTsteve, he is just trolling for an argument. About all he is capable of doing, non value added as usual.

[Mee-n-Mac]

onlywinni -- it doesn't appear that anyone answered your question -

Yes, the MP most definately have radar guns. I was docked one afternoon in Center Harbor and "chatted it up" with a MP officer docked there early this season. He was very congenial and even showed me the radar unit he was issued. It is about the size of a mid sized pair of binoculars (6"w x 3"h x 8"d approx) it has a monocle sighting window and display's speed & range (distance) and is completely portable i.e no wires. The interesting aspect was range as he indicated to me that he uses it to tell if two boats are 150' apart by simply "targeting" each and taking the difference in range.

Therefore, if you see a MP boat just floating/ idling (as I have seen numerous times since) and the officer has what you think are Binoculars up to his face --- SMILE, your on radar!!

As others have said that was a Lidar gun not a radar gun. Radar units don't measure distance, only speed (along the line of sight). As for measuring distance for a 150' violation, all 3 boats, the NHMP boat and the suspected violators would have to be in a line (or very nearly so) for that to have any accuracy.

[Phantom]

As others have said that was a Lidar gun not a radar gun. Radar units don't measure distance, only speed (along the line of sight). As for measuring distance for a 150' violation, all 3 boats, the NHMP boat and the suspected violators would have to be in a line (or very nearly so) for that to have any accuracy.

Don't shoot the "messenger" ....... I was only informing inwinni that there is indeed radar (or as I have been corrected LIDAR- all the same to the common folk) being used and relaying my little chat with a hospitiple MP officer

[VitaBene]

Got sour grapes???????

Turtletroll- I took a look at your past posts and you have not contributed to one thread that was not speed limit related. Do you do anything on or around this great lake that you could comment on (other than your agenda) that may be helpful to others?

You are the definition of a forum troll.

[hazelnut]

Turtletroll- I took a look at your past posts and you have not contributed to one thread that was not speed limit related. Do you do anything on or around this great lake that you could comment on (other than your agenda) that may be helpful to others?

You are the definition of a forum troll.

There is no "Thanks" button on this thread so "Thanks" VitaBene. I have noticed a sharp decline in posts from certain members of this forum. They know who they are!!! It leads one to really put 2 and 2 together and realize that none of those individuals ever really cared about this forum/lake/whatever. All along this forum was just a means to an agenda. Turtle Boy you're not even the worst offender but you have to understand your posts carry little weight as you only surface from the depths to snipe at anti-SL posts or what you deem to be anti-SL sentiments. If you offered up anything other than conjecture maybe you'd be a more welcome addition to the forum. As for now you are merely a mosquito.

[sunset on the dock]

Turtletroll- I took a look at your past posts and you have not contributed to one thread that was not speed limit related. Do you do anything on or around this great lake that you could comment on (other than your agenda) that may be helpful to others?

You are the definition of a forum troll.

Hmmm...seems to me there is a pattern whereby forum members not embracing the performance boat mentality and culture which dominates this forum are hounded and otherwise called trolls. This culture and mentality and some of its seldom questioned tenets, some of which are a occasionally more than a little far-fetched, needs to be examined on a regular basis. These issues are a predominant concern for many of those who partake in the Winnipesaukee experience...swimmers, sailers, kayakers, and those who enjoy the lake from the shore. Many of these folks don't necessarily want to take part in a discussion forum predominated by a performance boat crowd yet were very much involved in recent efforts to change the lake for the better.
The kayak comment was nasty and did not elevate the intellectual tone of this thread.

[NoRegrets]

This thread is "Performance Boats - Alive and Well!!!" so I do not understand the judgment or labeling "Troll" status so quickly. I really enjoy the obtuse bantering and if someone is moved to respond to a single issue - so be it! I am a "big" boat owner (larger than a kayak and next in line to be attacked) and also have a canoe that I use when conditions are appropriate in locations that suit me.

I enjoy seeing the performance boats and can appreciate the finesse and rush they get when all is working as designed.

Point is that the actions of a few have gotten us to the point of quick labeling based on opinion. Opinions are usually based on a "select" set of facts. These opinions become a legal weapon to limit rights or make stupid little laws. Frustration is created when these rights or privileges are manipulated by laws created by agendas that are not perceived to be open or honest.

Irrational arguments are thrown into the mix based on the level of frustration or goading by opposite opinions. I also enjoy this process and read everything so I do not miss the fun.

Summer finally started last weekend with the change in the weather, poker run, and water temps close to a swimable level.

This is truly a great forum and it is exciting that it is based on such a great location.

[Pineedles]

Hi jrc,

You are correct, the LIDAR handheld unit being discussed here gives the operator relative opening or closing speed between the gun and the target be measured, and actual distance between the gun and the target at time of measurement. While you could theoretically point the gun at two separate targets on the water the gun will only give you the distance between itself and each target, it does not and cannot measure the distance apart of two separate targets.

The NHMP officer can indeed use the gun to cite you for a 150 foot offense, only if that offense occured between the the gun (NHMP unit) and you. It is not capable of doing the same for two opposing targets in the field.

Skip

I'm no math major but I seem to remember a formula to find the length of the last side of a triangle if you know the 2 lengths of the triangle and the angle of the 2 known sides. If I am right, then the LIDAR could conceptually figure out the distance between the 2 boats that are being shot by the gun. Anyone know?

[Skip]

I'm no math major but I seem to remember a formula to find the length of the last side of a triangle if you know the 2 lengths of the triangle and the angle of the 2 known sides. If I am right, then the LIDAR could conceptually figure out the distance between the 2 boats that are being shot by the gun. Anyone know?

Theoretically? Yes

Realistically? No

The unit being used to measure relative speed/distance is a portable handheld device. The crucial element necessary in the formula you offered, to be admissable in evidence in court, would require an extremely accurate way to measure the precise angle between the two vesssels being read in order to interpret their correct separation. Since this particular LIDAR unit has no way of determinig that angle the formua would have to rely on the best guess of the officer, hardly admissable in court.

[Excalibur]

How do laser (LIDAR) detectors work?
Laser Beam

Laser speed detection is actually LIDAR (Light Detection and Ranging). LIDAR guns project a beam of invisible infrared light. The signal is a series of very short infrared light energy pulses, which move, in a straight line, reflecting off your car and returning to the gun. LIDAR uses these light pulses to measure the distance to a vehicle. Speed is then calculated by measuring how quickly these pulses are reflected given the known speed of light.

LIDAR (or laser) is a newer technology and is not as widespread as conventional radar, therefore, you may not encounter laser on a daily basis. And unlike radar detection, laser detection is not prone to false alarms. Because LIDAR transmits a much narrower beam than does radar, it is much more accurate in its ability to distinguish between targets and is also more difficult to detect. AS A RESULT, EVEN THE BRIEFEST LASER ALERT SHOULD BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

There are limitations to LIDAR equipment. LIDAR is much more sensitive to weather conditions than RADAR, and a LIDAR gun's range will be decreased by anything affecting visibility such as rain, fog, or smoke. A LIDAR gun cannot operate through glass and it must be stationary in order to get an accurate reading. Because LIDAR must have a clear line of sight and is subject to some cosine error (an inaccuracy, which increases as the angle between the gun and the vehicle, increases) police typically use LIDAR equipment parallel to the road or from an overpass. LIDAR can be used day or night.

[jrc]

As Pineneedles and Skip said measuring distance between boats with radar or lidar is possible. But a MP can't just invent a technique and have it stand up in court. It has to accurate and repeatable.

Even a cheap marine radar unit will show distance between boats. So if the MP really wanted to, they could probably find a calbrated radar unit and use that. But of course just being less than a 150' away is not a violation. You also need to be going faster than headway speed.

Sounds like a good product to build, I wonder how many I could sell...

[VtSteve]

and I do apologize for the tone of the Kayak comment. (sure brought some people out of dark places) It was meant to be something that just didn't make it to fruition. but I should know better, and will choose my words more carefully in the future.

As for someone thinking this forum is inundated with Performance Boaters? I certainly don't own one, although I have kicked the tires (hulls) of some in the past. I don't think many do on this entire forum, perhaps a dozen or more? At any rate, most of them seem as nice as everyone else here.

[chipj29]

Hmmm...seems to me there is a pattern whereby forum members not embracing the performance boat mentality and culture which dominates this forum are hounded and otherwise called trolls. This culture and mentality and some of its seldom questioned tenets, some of which are a occasionally more than a little far-fetched, needs to be examined on a regular basis. These issues are a predominant concern for many of those who partake in the Winnipesaukee experience...swimmers, sailers, kayakers, and those who enjoy the lake from the shore. Many of these folks don't necessarily want to take part in a discussion forum predominated by a performance boat crowd yet were very much involved in recent efforts to change the lake for the better.
The kayak comment was nasty and did not elevate the intellectual tone of this thread.

The title of this thread is "Performance Boats-Alive and well!"
Just sayin'.......

Maybe you could start a thread titled "Kayaks-Alive and Paddling!" ?

[Turtle Boy]

and thank you Vt. Steve ...apology accepted and appreciated (really).
Appreciate as well the input from No Regrets and others today and some of the others whose encouraging PM's in the past pointed out the select few minority of posters who tend to intimidate/dominate this forum and who perhaps feel entitled to do the same on the lake. People have differences of opinion on just about everything and if they are offended about having to defend them on the boating forum then maybe they need to move over to the weather forum and start a thread on cumulous clouds.
The name calling/intimidation seen by 2 posters today seems to only dumb down the intellectual tone referred to earlier. I too feel that even if the forum is predominantly populated by (fast) powerboaters, most on this forum are in fact congenial and open minded (though I do recall a discussion many moons ago from a Cow Isl. resident whom we heard from today who seemed unable/unwilling to grasp even the most basic tenets of statistical sampling,, which I think was at the least scary given his status as a person who teaches kids in MA).
Anyway...hoping to get Turtle Grandchild (TG) out tubing/boating this weekend...Sunday looks to be the best day right now.

[VitaBene]

Hmmm...seems to me there is a pattern whereby forum members not embracing the performance boat mentality and culture which dominates this forum are hounded and otherwise called trolls. This culture and mentality and some of its seldom questioned tenets, some of which are a occasionally more than a little far-fetched, needs to be examined on a regular basis. These issues are a predominant concern for many of those who partake in the Winnipesaukee experience...swimmers, sailers, kayakers, and those who enjoy the lake from the shore. Many of these folks don't necessarily want to take part in a discussion forum predominated by a performance boat crowd yet were very much involved in recent efforts to change the lake for the better.
The kayak comment was nasty and did not elevate the intellectual tone of this thread.

My point was that there are certain members of the forum (and I could care less if they are anti or pro whatever) who only come here to push their agendas. Turtle is one of them. I would not use the term for this poster if he had responded to one other type of thread (had a good meal somewhere, good contractor, whatever).

Forums are about sharing information and experiences not just pushing agendas. I stand by my comment.

[jmen24]

I'm no math major but I seem to remember a formula to find the length of the last side of a triangle if you know the 2 lengths of the triangle and the angle of the 2 known sides. If I am right, then the LIDAR could conceptually figure out the distance between the 2 boats that are being shot by the gun. Anyone know?

Well that is not cool, I just did out a nice formula calculation to show the angle between the two boats with the distance between them and the mp, but when I pressed post "POOF" gone.:eek: So anyway here it is again, slightly shortened out of frustration.

boat a 150 feet

boat b 250 feet

150/250=0.6

sin-1 (0.6)= 36.87 This is the angle between the two boats from the MP's point of view.

tan(36.87)=0.75
0.75 x 150 = 112.5 feet apart
:yawn:
This only works if the MP can prove a right triangle existed, not likely. By the time the MP referenced the trig chart or punched everything into the calculator the two boats in question would be far enough away that a chase may not be practical. They better show their work in court if they want credit.:laugh:

There are other formulas for determining the open legs of isosceles, acute and obtuse triangles but we will keep todays lesson simple.

[Turtle Boy]

My point was that there are certain members of the forum (and I could care less if they are anti or pro whatever) who only come here to push their agendas. Turtle is one of them. I would not use the term for this poster if he had responded to one other type of thread (had a good meal somewhere, good contractor, whatever).

Forums are about sharing information and experiences not just pushing agendas. I stand by my comment.

You might recall that this argument erupted after a comment about kayakers for which the poster has now apologized. That being said, you might have called that poster a troll or having an agenda but that would have conflicted with your agenda. As was alluded to earlier in the day, people who disagree with the mentality and culture of this forum are often badgered as such.
No justification for my choice of which forums I frequent is necessary...many of our posters are very partial to certain topics and I see yours seems to be centered around food. My wife and I started to follow the boating forum a couple of years ago to see how the topic which shall not be discussed was shaping up. We were amazed at some of the outrageous arguments, bromides, and other silly comments put forth by some of more dominating/intimidating members of the forum (no one has yet beaten the comment "If the old man of the mountain were still standing, he'd be shedding a tear right now"...we were on the floor laughing at that one). In any case, we have followed/contributed to efforts to shape the future of the lake, both in the recent and more distant past. As far as other topics like eating (we tend to eat at home with family because the view can't be beat and we kind of got out of the habit, what with college tuitions and the like which made demands on our income) and home maintenance (we do most of that ourselves), these are things we tend to discuss with friends and family. By the way, on the topic of postings, we are amazed at the number/frequency of some of the posters...makes us wonder what time is left for anything else...what is it, 425 in 2 years for you? Glad you still seem to be finding time to go out and eat.
Well, sorry to have had to take on the negative tone of your 2 posts today...tomorrow is another day and maybe we'll all wake up in a better mood. Bon appetit, TB

[trfour]

You might recall that this argument erupted after a comment about kayakers for which the poster has now apologized. That being said, you might have called that poster a troll or having an agenda but that would have conflicted with your agenda. As was alluded to earlier in the day, people who disagree with the mentality and culture of this forum are often badgered as such.
No justification for my choice of which forums I frequent is necessary...many of our posters are very partial to certain topics and I see yours seems to be centered around food. My wife and I started to follow the boating forum a couple of years ago to see how the topic which shall not be discussed was shaping up. We were amazed at some of the outrageous arguments, bromides, and other silly comments put forth by some of more dominating/intimidating members of the forum (no one has yet beaten the comment "If the old man of the mountain were still standing, he'd be shedding a tear right now"...we were on the floor laughing at that one). In any case, we have followed/contributed to efforts to shape the future of the lake, both in the recent and more distant past. As far as other topics like eating (we tend to eat at home with family because the view can't be beat and we kind of got out of the habit, what with college tuitions and the like which made demands on our income) and home maintenance (we do most of that ourselves), these are things we tend to discuss with friends and family. By the way, on the topic of postings, we are amazed at the number/frequency of some of the posters...makes us wonder what time is left for anything else...what is it, 425 in 2 years for you? Glad you still seem to be finding time to go out and eat.
Well, sorry to have had to take on the negative tone of your 2 posts today...tomorrow is another day and maybe we'll all wake up in a better mood. Bon appetit, TB


The doors have very long and very been closed here on anything other than "Perfomance Boats-Alive And Well". What is you're point?

Others will always follow, and get lost in the wake,....??

[Acres per Second]

"...The only agenda for the vast majority here is to have safe fun, be considerate of others, that sort of thing...Most had stopped debating facts or their honest thoughts with you many moons ago...I will follow suit..."

Not commenting is certainly up to you; however, my own thoughts were conveyed in response to this:

"No comment APS?"

:rolleye2: Moving on...

"...You care about sailing, freedom to roam, all of that..."
____________:look:

Well, yes... :o......

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.
.

Waitaminnit! :eek:

An agenda of "safe fun" that includes defeating radar? :confused:

Several U.S. states—but especially Canada—are very serious about radar detectors: :mad:

"...They will be confiscated and destroyed on the spot (http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:9sg4gzvpBrMJ:ferrarilist.com/archives/ferrari.php%3Fid%3D28139+%22radar-detectors%22,+%22destroyed-on-the-spot%22&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1) if you are caught using
one..."

[Pineedles]

Well that is not cool, I just did out a nice formula calculation to show the angle between the two boats with the distance between them and the mp, but when I pressed post "POOF" gone.:eek: So anyway here it is again, slightly shortened out of frustration.

boat a 150 feet

boat b 250 feet

150/250=0.6

sin-1 (0.6)= 36.87 This is the angle between the two boats from the MP's point of view.

tan(36.87)=0.75
0.75 x 150 = 112.5 feet apart
:yawn:
This only works if the MP can prove a right triangle existed, not likely. By the time the MP referenced the trig chart or punched everything into the calculator the two boats in question would be far enough away that a chase may not be practical. They better show their work in court if they want credit.:laugh:

There are other formulas for determining the open legs of isosceles, acute and obtuse triangles but we will keep todays lesson simple.

Thanks for confirming, mathmatically, what Skip said. I forgot about the right angle thing and you are right. I would be willing to bet though that some MP may try this tactic and now we are all forewarned. It is an interesting question though, how WOULD an MP be able to prove that you are 150' from anything? No land markers are available, I wonder if anyone ever went to court and questioned a MP's judgement of distance without points of reference? Sorry for being off topic but I don't feel like being just a statistic for soemone else's poor distance or for that matter speed estimation. Just like land radar I am sure all the calibrations must be done on the LIDAR or whatever before a conviction could be made. Question Authority!

Just to be on topic. I don't own one, but I like performance boats.:D

[hazelnut]

My point was that there are certain members of the forum (and I could care less if they are anti or pro whatever) who only come here to push their agendas. Turtle is one of them. I would not use the term for this poster if he had responded to one other type of thread (had a good meal somewhere, good contractor, whatever).

Forums are about sharing information and experiences not just pushing agendas. I stand by my comment.

As do I even more so than ever. It has become ludicrous and I truly believe this poster should be on monitor status. :rolleye2: Not once has this individual offered anything on any other forum of value??? Why?

[VitaBene]

You might recall that this argument erupted after a comment about kayakers for which the poster has now apologized. That being said, you might have called that poster a troll or having an agenda but that would have conflicted with your agenda. As was alluded to earlier in the day, people who disagree with the mentality and culture of this forum are often badgered as such.
No justification for my choice of which forums I frequent is necessary...many of our posters are very partial to certain topics and I see yours seems to be centered around food. My wife and I started to follow the boating forum a couple of years ago to see how the topic which shall not be discussed was shaping up. We were amazed at some of the outrageous arguments, bromides, and other silly comments put forth by some of more dominating/intimidating members of the forum (no one has yet beaten the comment "If the old man of the mountain were still standing, he'd be shedding a tear right now"...we were on the floor laughing at that one). In any case, we have followed/contributed to efforts to shape the future of the lake, both in the recent and more distant past. As far as other topics like eating (we tend to eat at home with family because the view can't be beat and we kind of got out of the habit, what with college tuitions and the like which made demands on our income) and home maintenance (we do most of that ourselves), these are things we tend to discuss with friends and family. By the way, on the topic of postings, we are amazed at the number/frequency of some of the posters...makes us wonder what time is left for anything else...what is it, 425 in 2 years for you? Glad you still seem to be finding time to go out and eat.
Well, sorry to have had to take on the negative tone of your 2 posts today...tomorrow is another day and maybe we'll all wake up in a better mood. Bon appetit, TB

Let's back up- A) I have no agenda on performance boats and speed as my "fleet" consists of an 86 Chris Bow Rider that can almost hit 44, a 16' Old Town Canoe and a Laser sailboat. My main issue with the speed limit is that enforcing the existing rules and laws, particularly the 150' rule, would make the lake a safer place than a speed limit B) The difference, as I see it, between you and the supporters of performance boats are that they are generally not posting negative comments about Kayakers on Kayak related threads, you on the other hand seem to only post against performance boats on performance related threads. It is just my opinion, you can choose to ignore me from this point forward but the "got sour grapes" reply got to me.

The bottom line is we all want the same thing- to be able to enjoy the lake without infringing upon others. And I have been infringed upon by everytype of watercraft on the lake at one point or another. Like you, I have seen boneheads captaining every type of craft.

FYI, I have worked hard and been fortunate enough to be employed in a manner which allows me a great deal of flexibility. I start between 0330 and 0400 everyday and usually wrap up by 1730 or so, but on my breaks from the insanity of my job, I follow this forum. This lake and state are very near to my heart which is why I contribute here. If you want to compare schedules sometime, PM me- I go like a madman so I can enjoy the lake with my family and friends, eating out is part of that.

None of us have a time machine and we can't go back to the 50's- I know when and where the lake will be crazy and on those days we avoid it when possible.

Enough said, I'm going to the lake.

[VtSteve]

Nothing "erupted" on this board, YMMV.

The run for charity was brought up, as the dollars raised. My facetious, or snide comment, could have been worded better I guess. Better still, I should have left it out altogether, and just focused on the positive aspects of the run and the ensuing monetary gifts. Most here are mature enough to understand it, some aren't.

I'll bet you and yours (TB), are not rolling on the floor laughing when pureplay facts are brought up that you can't respond to. There are many responsible organizations around the country that have devoted considerable time and resources to promote safer boating, more interaction with various law enforcement agencies, state and federal legislators and so on. Many good souls on this board alone provide positive reinforcement that the good guys outnumber the bad by a wide margin.

Many of us come from a wide range of on water lifestyles, a small few have performance boats, there are bowriders, fishing boats, old classics, cuddy cabins, cruiser, people that canoe, kayak, and some that do it all. The VAST majority (probably almost all), are against

1) drunks on the water
2) reckless and dangerous boating behavior
3) rude and obnoxious boaters that may well fall into the first two categories.


Within that group, there is pretty wide agreement amongst us that the problem boaters are fairly easy to spot, need to be focused on, and that they will continue to exhibit their bad behavior until they are stopped. Pretty basic stuff.

I feel that most of us are pretty responsible, fair in pointing out problems, and would mostly like to enjoy ourselves and have a good time. I don't care if someone is in a 40' high speed cat or a 14 foot aluminum boat. If they are endangering people, I want them stopped. I don't need a rangefinder to tell the difference between 150' and 10 feet, nor do I care much if someone is safely boating and is only 117.27896 feet from me.

TB, so you share any of the above with us? And I'm sorry to be speaking for so many people, feel free to add to my small list, or even disagree with the context of what I'm saying. But I feel I've spoken my peace.

[Turtle Boy]

As do I even more so than ever. It has become ludicrous and I truly believe this poster should be on monitor status.

Come on Hazelnut, get real. You sound like the little kid who goes crying to mommy because his sibling said "something mean" to him. Don has repeatedly shown more wisdom than you give him credit for in this regard. One thing that stands out clearly to all is that since Don closed the forum to SL discussions, many of the performance boaters with agendas (your word) of their own keep trying to slip in under the radar with such topics as Speed Limits/Bad for the Economy, There Ought to be a Law, and Performance Boats, Alive and Well. Some have used these threads to taunt and ridicule those with an agenda (again your word) different from theirs or to boast about how they managed to break the law without getting caught. The nasty comment about how much the kayakers contributed to the Easter Seals is just the tip of the iceberg. Many joined in on the forum in order to follow the SL debate during its peak last year and to follow boating news in general. Don closed the SL debate last year, yet some of you can't seem to help yourselves from adding your little tweak or taunt. Then when somebody counters said tweak or taunt, some crybaby yells "troll" or the omnipresent smokescreen "agenda". Name calling is easy and names like Turtletroll or Twaddle Boy are not likely to cause me to go out and slit my wrists, no more so than if I called you Hazelcrybaby or someone else Eatabene. As pointed out earlier, I suspect there is a corrolation between those who might want to dominate/intimidate on this forum and those who might wish to do it on the lake. I sense this when somebody makes a nasty or petty comment on one of the "under the radar" threads, taunts someone to defend or reply, then yells "troll" or "agenda". And speaking of the poor worn out and tiresome word " agenda", every one of the 5 billion+ people walking on earth has an agenda. I have an agenda, you have an agenda, WINNFABS has an agenda, and the now disgraced NHRBA had an agenda. If Don were to monitor/censor something on this forum, I would vote for the word agenda. I wish, in fact, that Don would stop all of these under the radar threads like he did with the SL/Bad for the Economy one. Some of us want to still follow boating on the lake without the now customary below the belt dings already described. This might well allow us to follow boating issues without crybaby responses like " he only posts on these threads...wah, wah, wah". I've said in the past that posting on this forum is like asking 3 foxes and a chicken to vote on what they would like to have for dinner. The outcome is always predictable and never in doubt. I can handle that. And I can take solace in that it seems like civility and tranquility are now more apparent on Winni than in years earlier, for whatever reason. In that regard, some of the things occuring on this forum are not a reflection of the reality on the lake.

[VtSteve]

to those on this forum that share the love of the water, and hope it will be available to all for many generations to come. I've had the privilege of growing up on the shores of Winni as a kid, and many weekends after that as an adult. I was fortunate enough to have a dad that instilled both discipline and respect, and beyond having a wondrous childhood on the lake, certainly didn't spoil us with riches.

Bad and good economies will come and go, and the boating industry is probably paying as much or more a price as any industry during this year. No question boat traffic on lakes and other waterways is down nationwide. Last year, it was sky high gas prices, this year it's cost of living, layoffs, and the weather. Speaking of the weather, I've glanced and looked at hardtop boats with windshield wipers and heaters this year :laugh: Maybe I'm getting old, or maybe I just need to not get as wet. At any rate, we still persevere on the water regardless.

Not everyone on the waterways have a lifelong upbringing on the water and around boats. The past decade or so has brought people from all walks of life to the boating world. As with any activity, be it golfing, sailing, hiking, many don't share the same degree of responsibility and civility as many of us would like. Positive influences exist, in the form of sailing clubs, powerboating clubs, and all sorts of community centers and yacht clubs. Within these groups resides the positive attitudes that can and do rub off on their members, and subsequent generations.

I've met so many thoughtful and genuinely nice people both on the water and in other endeavors such as golf. I've also witnessed some pretty rude and dangerous behavior out on the water. Much of it is attitude, which as anyone that drives a car can attest, is very hard to change. Peer pressure is a powerful force, a more appropriate upbringing is certainly better. All we can do is just try to have positive influences on everyone, and at the very least, teach our kids to be exactly what we'd like everyone to be. Heck, I'd like to instill some common sense and decency in some of our youngest law enforcement people. So it's not an isolated problem.

Most people understand these issues, which are certainly not specific to the boating world. It would be helpful to have MP folks chime in on the real state of the problems, as spoken by boaters themselves. I know many such conversations have occurred, and many would be surprised at what the MP really sees, not to mention the hierarchy that they live under.

At any rate, I'm delighted to have a body of water that (conditions permitting), allows me complete and unfettered access. No congestion, not many problems, and less headaches. I think the weather has gotten to me this year, and I've allowed negative people to influence my responses. I refuse to do so again. Life's to short to debate topics with such obvious results. In that light, it's outside time :D

[Seaplane Pilot]

and the now disgraced NHRBA had an agenda.

Why, exactly, is NHRBA disgraced? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

[hazelnut]

Come on Hazelnut, get real. You sound like the little kid who goes crying to mommy because his sibling said "something mean" to him. Don has repeatedly shown more wisdom than you give him credit for in this regard. One thing that stands out clearly to all is that since Don closed the forum to SL discussions, many of the performance boaters with agendas (your word) of their own keep trying to slip in under the radar with such topics as Speed Limits/Bad for the Economy, There Ought to be a Law, and Performance Boats, Alive and Well. Some have used these threads to taunt and ridicule those with an agenda (again your word) different from theirs or to boast about how they managed to break the law without getting caught. The nasty comment about how much the kayakers contributed to the Easter Seals is just the tip of the iceberg. Many joined in on the forum in order to follow the SL debate during its peak last year and to follow boating news in general. Don closed the SL debate last year, yet some of you can't seem to help yourselves from adding your little tweak or taunt. Then when somebody counters said tweak or taunt, some crybaby yells "troll" or the omnipresent smokescreen "agenda". Name calling is easy and names like Turtletroll or Twaddle Boy are not likely to cause me to go out and slit my wrists, no more so than if I called you Hazelcrybaby or someone else Eatabene. As pointed out earlier, I suspect there is a corrolation between those who might want to dominate/intimidate on this forum and those who might wish to do it on the lake. I sense this when somebody makes a nasty or petty comment on one of the "under the radar" threads, taunts someone to defend or reply, then yells "troll" or "agenda". And speaking of the poor worn out and tiresome word " agenda", every one of the 5 billion+ people walking on earth has an agenda. I have an agenda, you have an agenda, WINNFABS has an agenda, and the now disgraced NHRBA had an agenda. If Don were to monitor/censor something on this forum, I would vote for the word agenda. I wish, in fact, that Don would stop all of these under the radar threads like he did with the SL/Bad for the Economy one. Some of us want to still follow boating on the lake without the now customary below the belt dings already described. This might well allow us to follow boating issues without crybaby responses like " he only posts on these threads...wah, wah, wah". I've said in the past that posting on this forum is like asking 3 foxes and a chicken to vote on what they would like to have for dinner. The outcome is always predictable and never in doubt. I can handle that. And I can take solace in that it seems like civility and tranquility are now more apparent on Winni than in years earlier, for whatever reason. In that regard, some of the things occuring on this forum are not a reflection of the reality on the lake.

YAWN! :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Anyone have any "Deepwoods Off" Actually I think "SKin So Soft" would actually work here with this one! :rolleye2:

Gimme a "T" Gimme an "R" Gimme an "O" Gimme an "L" Gimme another "L" what does it spell? :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[VtSteve]

I have Deep Woods Off Sportsman, with a Deet concentration of 98.11%.

[sunset on the dock]

My point was that there are certain members of the forum (and I could care less if they are anti or pro whatever) who only come here to push their agendas. Turtle is one of them. I would not use the term for this poster if he had responded to one other type of thread (had a good meal somewhere, good contractor, whatever).

Forums are about sharing information and experiences not just pushing agendas. I stand by my comment.

Boy...you and that Hazelnut are ruthless. Having followed this forum for a few years, seems as though anyone with opinions on the other side of the SL debate will always end up being called a troll, IMHO. And BTW, having read many of your restaurant reviews, it does indeed seem as though you have eaten a rather wide swath across central New Hampshire. Seems too bad that you're so judgemental of others. Maybe you should take some of your own advice about posting on various topics on the forum:Perhaps you could offer some reviews on gyms, personal trainers, diet centers, or cardiac surgeons. (VitaBene...red and white Chris Craft- always flying the Dinner Being Served banner)

[hazelnut]

Boy...you and that Hazelnut are ruthless. Having followed this forum for a few years, seems as though anyone with opinions on the other side of the SL debate will always end up being called a troll, IMHO. And BTW, having read many of your restaurant reviews, it does indeed seem as though you have eaten a rather wide swath across central New Hampshire. Seems too bad that you're so judgemental of others. Maybe you should take some of your own advice about posting on various topics on the forum:Perhaps you could offer some reviews on gyms, personal trainers, diet centers, or cardiac surgeons. (VitaBene...red and white Chris Craft- always flying the Dinner Being Served banner)

11 count em 11 posts and THIS is one of them. WOW! :laugh:


Vita lets finally meet up and eat our way across the Northern half of the state. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

At least this post made me laugh that's contributing SOMEthing. ha ha ha ha ha ha :laugh:

[sa meredith]

Boy...you and that Hazelnut are ruthless. Having followed this forum for a few years, seems as though anyone with opinions on the other side of the SL debate will always end up being called a troll, IMHO. And BTW, having read many of your restaurant reviews, it does indeed seem as though you have eaten a rather wide swath across central New Hampshire. Seems too bad that you're so judgemental of others. Maybe you should take some of your own advice about posting on various topics on the forum:Perhaps you could offer some reviews on gyms, personal trainers, diet centers, or cardiac surgeons. (VitaBene...red and white Chris Craft- always flying the Dinner Being Served banner)

Good point...I met Hazelnut this past Tuesday, and Christ, the guys 5' 2", 425 lbs!
I actually had to help him out of his boat, onto his three wheel cart (he is too chunky to walk) to drive across the street to the 19 Mile Store for 16 pieces of fried chicken.
Very sad.

[LocalRealtor]

I think Don should check IP's and would likely find a bunch of members posting from the same IP again. Then the same folks would say AGAIN, they are sharing internet access with their neighbors on Bear Island!

[brk-lnt]

I think Don should check IP's and would likely find a bunch of members posting from the same IP again. Then the same folks would say AGAIN, they are sharing internet access with their neighbors on Bear Island!

And so then, what exactly would that accomplish?

[LocalRealtor]

And so then, what exactly would that accomplish?

Would further establish that some folks are using multiple screen names(maybe new ones) as has been an issue in the past. Seems the most recent poster is only interested in a certain issue. Big suprise there.

[hazelnut]

Good point...I met Hazelnut this past Tuesday, and Christ, the guys 5' 2", 425 lbs!
I actually had to help him out of his boat, onto his three wheel cart (he is too chunky to walk) to drive across the street to the 19 Mile Store for 16 pieces of fried chicken.
Very sad.

Phew thank god you were there sa. I almost capsized my boat getting out.

Back on topic. This weekend it seemed to me that there were MANY boats out. Maybe the most I've seen all summer. Performance boats were out and about. Not sure if I've noticed any difference in how they drove those boats. Several went through the area near my house at various speeds. I didn't notice if any were really going any faster than 45-55 MPH tops. Pretty typical behavior in comparison to the past several years.

Traffic in the Weirs was pretty robust. The channel was jammed on Sunday morning around 11:30am. I noticed that the beach wasn't that crowded though.

LocalRealtor, the though had crossed my mind. :rolleye2:

[VtSteve]

The MP didn't expect much of a difference this year either, for what they described as "obvious reasons". But they were on top of the PWC hitting the rear end of a moored boat. Similar to another famous accident, only different.

[VitaBene]

Boy...you and that Hazelnut are ruthless. Having followed this forum for a few years, seems as though anyone with opinions on the other side of the SL debate will always end up being called a troll, IMHO. And BTW, having read many of your restaurant reviews, it does indeed seem as though you have eaten a rather wide swath across central New Hampshire. Seems too bad that you're so judgemental of others. Maybe you should take some of your own advice about posting on various topics on the forum:Perhaps you could offer some reviews on gyms, personal trainers, diet centers, or cardiac surgeons. (VitaBene...red and white Chris Craft- always flying the Dinner Being Served banner)

Sun and TB, you nailed it- I do love eating. Being 45, I have done it 10s of thousands of times and just haven't been able to quit. And until I do, I figure I will eat well, both at home and out.

I actually like my new nickname- Eatabene (thanks TB, I really like it!!). I hate multi-nickers but maybe I'll use that one for my food related posts.

Because of my love of food, and to counter my caloric intake, I exercise by hill walking (and ice walking in the winter), lift at the gym a fair amount (gotta maintain that lean muscle mass at my age), and lead a pretty active lifestyle. Thanks for the concerns over my health, that was so nice of you :)My cholesterol level is 158 so I haven't been to a cardiologist yet, but will let you and the forum know if I find a good one. I will admit that I am carrying an extra 5 or 10 lbs right now as I have been off my routine due the being in the middle of a RE transaction.

Sunset- PM me if you want to come exercise with me. Perhaps you can give me some pointers so I can melt those pounds off.

[Bear Islander]

I think Don should check IP's and would likely find a bunch of members posting from the same IP again. Then the same folks would say AGAIN, they are sharing internet access with their neighbors on Bear Island!...



Would further establish that some folks are using multiple screen names(maybe new ones) as has been an issue in the past. Seems the most recent poster is only interested in a certain issue. Big suprise there.


What do you mean "further establish" I am unaware that it has ever been established.

I don't think anyone involved in this threads controversy is from Bear Island. I guess you are just throwing mud with the hope some of it sticks. Well this time you are way off target.

[BroadHopper]

In this thread that is from Bear Island. Fortunately they are on the opposite side from where you are BI. They don't share your view(s).

[Bear Islander]

In this thread that is from Bear Island. Fortunately they are on the opposite side from where you are BI. They don't share your view(s).


How do you know what my views are on this controversy?... You may be surprised.

In any event please, please don't put me on the same side as TB. I asked him to "shut up" about a year ago in the accident thread. Since then I have pretty much ignored him.



The question remains... Who are the Bear Islanders LR talking about?

[LocalRealtor]

LOL.....sounds all to familiar with the controversy surrounding multiple screen names from the past is all.

[Bear Islander]

LOL.....sounds all to familiar with the controversy surrounding multiple screen names from the past is all.

So you throw mud by making a baseless accusation. Then when you are called on it you respond with "LOL". I suppose LOL is the online version of an apology. It's easier to say the entire thing was a joke than to say "I made a mistake".

There never were multiple screen names in the past. There is no evidence, that I am aware of, of multiple screen names now. And none of this has ANY connection with Bear Island.

[LocalRealtor]

Still LOL. There was evidence of multiple screen names from the same IP, and just because you BI are not aware of the continuing problem of multiple screen names does not mean that it doesn't still exist.

Lets just agree to disagree and move back to the topic at hand and ponder if going 45 makes less noise and wakes or a nice rumble for longer and bigger wakes.

[Bear Islander]

Still LOL. There was evidence of multiple screen names from the same IP, and just because you BI are not aware of the continuing problem of multiple screen names does not mean that it doesn't still exist.

Lets just agree to disagree and move back to the topic at hand and ponder if going 45 makes less noise and wakes or a nice rumble for longer and bigger wakes.

Now you are trying misdirection.

There is nothing wrong, or against forum rules, with using multiple screen names on the same IP, it happens all the time. Obviously it happened in the past, and will happen in the future.

The "problem" would be multiple screen names being used by one person.

[BroadHopper]

How do you know what my views are on this controversy?... You may be surprised.


Good way to CYA. I wasn't talking about your view on this controversy. I was talking about your fews in the past about speed limits and GFBL boats. Now it looks like you change your mind about the GFBL boats.

I think you realize they are beautiful boats! It's the boneheads that we must go after to make this lake safe! :cheers:

[Bear Islander]

Good way to CYA. I wasn't talking about your view on this controversy. I was talking about your fews in the past about speed limits and GFBL boats. Now it looks like you change your mind about the GFBL boats.

I think you realize they are beautiful boats! It's the boneheads that we must go after to make this lake safe! :cheers:

I have not changed my mind about GFBL boats. I always liked them. It's a shame that many responsible operators have been inconvenienced. I always pushed for a reasonable compromise like unlimited on the Broads or a higher limit.

[VtSteve]

Everyone should just be thankful that families can now boat safely, you can hear crickets chirping at all hours of the day, and no longer will the land be attacked by violent waves. Erosion has been eradicated.

Seriously.. Is it now safe for the kids to canoe by Bear Island? Is the NWZ finally a place of peaceful, slow-moving boats? How about that arshol that went zipping by your place BI, is he gone? I hardly see any boats this summer, only rain and wind.

[Bear Islander]

Everyone should just be thankful that families can now boat safely, you can hear crickets chirping at all hours of the day, and no longer will the land be attacked by violent waves. Erosion has been eradicated.

Seriously.. Is it now safe for the kids to canoe by Bear Island? Is the NWZ finally a place of peaceful, slow-moving boats? How about that arshol that went zipping by your place BI, is he gone? I hardly see any boats this summer, only rain and wind.

Things are certainly quieter. However I credit economy and weather. Limits may be a distant third.

The zip guy went by late last Friday.

[VtSteve]

Maybe the can put down water spikes for the Zip Guy :D

He certainly is persistent.

[hazelnut]

Things are certainly quieter. However I credit economy and weather. Limits may be a distant third.

The zip guy went by late last Friday.

Man oh man things are definitely quieter! WOW! I am in agreement that the weather #1 Economy #2 have had a profound impact on this season. I have to say though I really feel for the small business owners. How have you been faring?

[Bear Islander]

Man oh man things are definitely quieter! WOW! I am in agreement that the weather #1 Economy #2 have had a profound impact on this season. I have to say though I really feel for the small business owners. How have you been faring?

Doing very well thank you, business is only down 6% from last year. How about you?

[Acres per Second]

"...Now it looks like you change your mind about the GFBL boats..." Nope. I'll confirm that BI has consistently stated his previous statement.

"...It's the boneheads that we must go after to make this lake safe...!"

And, on Winnipesaukee, there's only about 300 of 'em, right? :rolleye2:

"...and no longer will the land be attacked by violent waves.

Erosion has been eradicated..."
Not quite:

Photos 1 and 2, below)

I haven't witnessed anything like this wake since one snapped my BIL's 23-foot monohull sailboat's ½" nylon dock line; fortunately, a visitor had his camera handy and photographed "The Incoming Wake". (And the soaked aftermath :().

We never saw the boat! :eek:

Photo 3, below)

As to erosion, a forum member (thank you) sent me this third shot before the structure collapses altogether through erosion.

[hazelnut]

Man oh man things are definitely quieter! WOW! I am in agreement that the weather #1 Economy #2 have had a profound impact on this season. I have to say though I really feel for the small business owners. How have you been faring?

Well the how have you been faring was a general all call to all the small business owners out there. However, I am glad to hear you have not been impacted as terribly as one might suspect in this economy. As for me, teaching is a pretty safe career financially speaking. No big bonuses or raises but when the economy tanks it's usually the new teachers (under 3 years) that take the hit. The tenured teachers usually hang on to their jobs.

[BroadHopper]

In the private sector, profit-motive dictate that Sr Management and those that have been on board for years take the fall. They transfer the responisibility to those who make less money.

Bottom line. There is less money to spend. Business suffers. Tax base suffers. The public sector actually lay off more than they should because they have to budget the money for the higher paid employees.

[SIKSUKR]

Man oh man things are definitely quieter! WOW! I am in agreement that the weather #1 Economy #2 have had a profound impact on this season. I have to say though I really feel for the small business owners. How have you been faring?

Doing very well thank you, business is only down 6% from last year. How about you?

OK now,this lovefest has to stop. :laugh: It appears both sides don't seem to have an exposed nerve as was present last year. Hello there. How are you? Very good sir. Thank you for asking. My pleasure. :D

[BroadHopper]

That the opposing sides have made amend and that we all agree on one common enemy. Caption Bonehead. :cheers:

[Kracken]

2 weeks ago I saw an orange Fountain about a mile off Rattlesnake doing about 80.

All I could think of is a T-shirt from the late 70s.

I found the picture

I am not saying this is the Last Act.

Sorry, I had to cencor it a bit.

[VtSteve]

Photos 1 and 2, below)

I haven't witnessed anything like this wake since one snapped my BIL's 23-foot monohull sailboat's ½" nylon dock line; fortunately, a visitor had his camera handy and photographed "The Incoming Wake". (And the soaked aftermath ).

We never saw the boat!

Photo 3, below)

As to erosion, a forum member (thank you) sent me this third shot before the structure collapses altogether through erosion.

Doesn't look much like a GFBL wake APS, nor a sailboat :rolleye2:

I know full well wakes and erosion have not been eradicated, just a funny. Large cruiser, plowing boats.

[hazelnut]

OK now,this lovefest has to stop. :laugh: It appears both sides don't seem to have an exposed nerve as was present last year. Hello there. How are you? Very good sir. Thank you for asking. My pleasure. :D

:laugh::laugh:
Yeah nothin really left to argue about. It's all a moot point now so we can resort to the small talk. Unless B.I. wants to go and tell me that the weather has been great this summer... then the gloves come off!!

[jmen24]

That the opposing sides have made amend and that we all agree on one common enemy. Caption Bonehead. :cheers:

Could not agree more, being that the one thing in common is a love of boating (the others well....). Being divided is the first step to allowing people to disrupt the things you love to do.

Being a hunter we have a split currently between free range hunting and high fence compound hunting. Either way if we allow ourselves to divide on the issue the anti-hunting crowd gets a strong hold on their position to disrupt hunting in general.

Lets focus on the things we have in common and remember "gooooze fraaaaba"

[Excalibur]

Nope. I'll confirm that BI has consistently stated his previous statement.




Photo 3, below)

As to erosion, a forum member (thank you) sent me this third shot before the structure collapses altogether through erosion.

This erosion was more likely caused by the Airport redevelopment construction on Wolfeboro Neck a few years ago. This started happening three years ago and at least four houses have needed to rebuild there waterfront.
The EPA is fully involved and permitting has taken a while for permission to rebuild the waterfront and save the home. Never mind how much it is costing the home owners.

[Mee-n-Mac]

I got an admittedly bad picture of it heading up Alton Bay on Sunday. Alas it's in the camera which is in the camp.

FWIW ....

Just got on plane as it headed past Sandy Pt.

[overlook]

She will be back this weekend and the rest of the season, just needed some AC work and finishes.

[OCDACTIVE]

That is one gorgeous boat!!!!!! Would like to see her in person running the lake.... I have been sent dock side for the rest of the season :( .. engine problems....

Having a full rebuild and perhaps even a new paint job!!!!!

See you out there next year. :D

[VtSteve]

Oh No :eek: One of the many reasons I haven't been involved in that hobby, too rich for my cheapskate blood. One of the few boats I saw that would allow for a sane single-engine setup was the Baja 278 Performance. All I wanted was a decent sized cabin, and a dependable engine/drive combo. No blowers, no Mercury racing engines, no $20k refreshes :eek: About the only livable one I've seen was a Formula I couldn't afford, and a Chap 275 with a big block I didn't act fast enough on. If I can do 40 to 50mph in big waves and not break a rib, I'm pretty much entertained :D

One thing many newcomers might not realize. My history on Winni dates back to circa 1963 or 1964. There was a reason that many boaters started buying the bigger Cigs and Scarabs and Formulas. Cruiser wakes.

[OCDACTIVE]

Yup... took me totally off guard.. Blew most everything on the boat then ran into this.. Looks like a total rebuild and thank heavens I have awesome friends that can do it for a lot less then if I brought it to a shop and said "fix it"... Only downside is I have to bring her to Virginia to have it done...... However another nice side is it will get stored down there and their weather is much less harsh then ours. So the temp won't drop as low. If you winterize correctly it shouldn't be a problem but I still like the idea of a much less minimum temp over the winter.

You make a good point on the cruiser wakes.. Another item most people do not realize, just because they don't have the experience, is these performance boats handle waves, wakes, chop etc very differently then the normal runabouts you see on the lake. My boat (which is catagorized as a very small GFB) can cruise very comfortably at 50 - 55mph and it feels like you are going 30. Do to its very deep V it cuts wakes as if they werent there. Many other boats would be totally out of control where in my situation you can put a coke on the dash and it wouldn't even move...

[colt17]

I have seen that boat the last two weekends once at braun bay and last weekend pulling into the NASWA. What kind of boat is it? Looks like a Ferrari on water lol

[OCDACTIVE]

I have seen that boat the last two weekends once at braun bay and last weekend pulling into the NASWA. What kind of boat is it? Looks like a Ferrari on water lol

Hard to guess by the photo.. My initial thought based on the cockpit lines is a Outerlimits. It doesn't have the rear side scoops that would lead me to believe it to be a Nortech. Again hard to determine. Two things for certain: Staggered Engines for one and two: that is one Bad A$$ boat!

[livefreeordie]

its a 51 outerlimits prob has twin 1075s.... only have bits and pieces about the boat.

[Kracken]

Its an Outerlimits GTX

[cowisl]

new 52 Sl outerlimits

[Woodsy]

its a 51 outerlimits prob has twin 1075s.... only have bits and pieces about the boat.


52 Outer Limits GTX.... and its got a few more horses than that! ;)

Woodsy

[BroadHopper]

Oh No :eek: One of the many reasons I haven't been involved in that hobby, too rich for my cheapskate blood. One of the few boats I saw that would allow for a sane single-engine setup was the Baja 278 Performance. All I wanted was a decent sized cabin, and a dependable engine/drive combo. No blowers, no Mercury racing engines, no $20k refreshes :eek: About the only livable one I've seen was a Formula I couldn't afford, and a Chap 275 with a big block I didn't act fast enough on. If I can do 40 to 50mph in big waves and not break a rib, I'm pretty much entertained :D

One thing many newcomers might not realize. My history on Winni dates back to circa 1963 or 1964. There was a reason that many boaters started buying the bigger Cigs and Scarabs and Formulas. Cruiser wakes.

I picked up an '88 F-223 LS with 454 Magnum on EBay last year for $4000. Lately I have seen boats on Craigslist from marinas that are 'giving' away boats for the price of the storage fees owed. If you want your dream boat I would start looking at thes two sites.

Check out this site. It will make it a bit easier searching for your boat.

http://www.jaxed.com/

[VtSteve]

I've actually thought about some of the older boats as deals, but I lack any real mechanical knowledge to deal with broken :rolleye2:

Plus, as anyone that currently owns a fairly new boat knows, it's almost impossible to get rid of what you have.

BTW, what the heck is that site you linked?

[overlook]

Actually it is an Outerlimits 52 SV MONO hull, with programable Chief 605 blocks and Merc. VI drives.

[robmac]

It looks to me as a GTX 51

[BroadHopper]

I've actually thought about some of the older boats as deals, but I lack any real mechanical knowledge to deal with broken :rolleye2:

Plus, as anyone that currently owns a fairly new boat knows, it's almost impossible to get rid of what you have.

BTW, what the heck is that site you linked?

Correct linx to the boat search engine:
http://www.jaxed.com/cgi-bin/mash.cgi?cat=cpboat

Sorry.

I have an excellent mechanic that will survey the boat for me. I have a clause in the bill of sale, that the sale is subject to a successful survey before final payment. Which is negotiated.

Yes it is almost impossible, yet I had the old boat on Craigslist sold within 7 days to a guy on the Cape. The boat was a classic 'Liberator'.

[Acres per Second]

This erosion was more likely caused by the Airport redevelopment construction on Wolfeboro Neck a few years ago. This started happening three years ago and at least four houses have needed to rebuild there waterfront...The EPA is fully involved and permitting has taken a while for permission to rebuild the waterfront and save the home. Never mind how much it is costing the home owners.

I don't understand how "unpaving" the airport's runway could have affected those homes. There was more runoff when the paved runway was in place—a huge "impermeable surface". However, one noisy homeowner with a noisy sportscar insisted that the dirt road that runs directly behind those homes got a "pave-over". :rolleye1:

(An impermeable surface right there). :rolleye2:

Erosion works both ways. Runoff moves soil downhill towards the lake, then wakes from oversized boats chew away at the lowest layers of shoreline soil. Uphill soil fills that void through rain.

Also, note the two large-diameter PVC pipes draining runoff that's accumulated under the house to the edges of the lot. (And that there are no stumps or trees in front of the house).

BTW I: That concrete base repair in the lakefront photo is also subject to eventually falling into the lake—an example?

Parking was built behind a cottage in a nearby small lot. (That lot was made into a "micro-lot" by the spec-builder: the two homes share a well and a leachfield: worse yet, the "micro-lot" has a huge driveway easement leading to our latest spec-built McMansion).

Shortly after construction, that relatively tiny new space has caused two large trees to die—increasing erosion around that space—and the tiny new parking area is sliding towards the lake.

As you can see in the below photograph, the blocks are no longer aligned after just two years. I haven't looked at it this year. :look:

BTW II:
A week later, the "unseen boat" returned leaving a similar wake: It was an "Express Cruiser".